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Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 5:25am On Nov 22, 2015
In my hard long term and short term view, going the regional way in SW we really have nothing to freight about . . . . .we will turn out well no matter how they dice or marinate the whole thing as long as we have a unity of purpose and agree in one accord on a template for moving us forward.

Why the guys in DAWN should be given all the help in terms of idea generation, a working template deviod of red tape and many practicable tit bits to kick start the economy of SW. As it stands now despite our chequered history as a country, if we are to take a backward walkthrough of our economic development, the SW of Nigeria has always being a haven for both national and international inward investment, we gat the land, sea, air, human capital and all the indices to excel.

Pardon my guys if i get to mention a few countries in my narratives out here, not cos am trying to brag but every country i ever travelled to i tend to wanna hang out with the locals and ask them deep seated questions about their national journey and what has made them work just fine or not and perhaps learn something new and with this information i play around with mental ideas how beneficial this could be if we/Nigeria take that route cos nothing we are going thru which no other country have not gone thru during the course of the development in one sharp or the other . . . . .

Now to me point . . . . .whilst in india, despite the many calamitous stories you hear about india and we see on the telly and hear about . . . .they have over the years managed to run a very enviable democracy and economy, fair enough populations is circa 1.2 billion people and about 300 million of her citizenry are considered poor as in very poor . . . . . lets not get hung up on that figure just yet, but the foreign direct investment to that country is in the region of 22billion US$ and their IT/Business processing outsourcing industries generates another double digits billions of dollar for them and mind you? they have the largest oil refinery complex in the whole world but yet don't have a drop of crude oil in their terrestrial space but we ? (another gist cos with all our crude oil no real functional refinery)

The society is equally diverse, multi ethnic, multi religion and all the multi u can ever think of lol. . . . . but they have being able to attract this many inward investment especially in Information Technology and manufacturing in particular. Bangalore is a city in the State of Kanataka in the southern part of india and she's actually considered as the silicon valley of india.

Out there in Bangalore virtually every world technology company have a massive presence there, not just an office block but something akin to a company campus office . . . name them? be it Oracle, KPMG, DELL, Microsoft, Adobe the whole works are fully on ground and their works force always in excess of thousands of people, serious employment engines.

And how were they able to clinch all this fabulous companies and creating employment for themselves?! EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION!! . . . . .

if we don't invest heavily in education we will continue to lag behind in attracting world class investors to our country, we can easily achieve that on a regional government level and reap the full benefit as well without the over bearing burden of the rest of the country and sharing all our revenue with every tom dick harry and jones.

Why i feel if their is anything that we should get up and do ASAP is to perhaps declare a state of emergency in the educational sectors in SW esp the public schools. . . . . not just pour money but offload money into that area of our society and God knows in no distant future we will reap the full benefits, once the word goes out there that our students are well trained and employable immediately after college at a fraction of what they are paying somewhere else in other climes. it will definitely help mop up our army of unemployed youths in SW.

Cos i have asked myself many times over what magic did this indians do that they were able to corner all this multinational companies to themselves despite their 3rd world infrastructure on so many levels, chaotic driving culture, heavily accented english, some areas of the cities are still stuck in medieval indian with cows/oxen roaming the metropolis, the multi religious make up of their society but all this never deterred would be international investors/companies from setting up shop out there . . . . .?

I certainly agree with many posters before me that the SW governors are dozing behind the wheel of governance of their respective states, i know they are trying but? their are still many levels they can try hardiest and bring home loads of bacons for her people. . . . . . . .
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 4:11am On Nov 22, 2015
Having looked at the many intricate issues that brought about the Nigeria State and how we have faired thus far . . . . .i personally feel going back to a regional system of government will be most ideal moving forward . . . . .

Am nearly sure even if we cannot fully catch our glorious past we can lay a better future moving forward, a country so dependent on a micro income going all out to run a federal system of government ain't ideal in my books . . . . . the whole funds being budgeted to run 36 states governments, the executive, judiciary and houses of assembly is insane, then they have the overheads of all their state ministries/commissioners, then they have as usual her over bloated civil service and non tax generating or tax remitting local government councils before they even think of setting aside money for capital project all from this mono economy we run . . . . . all this fundamentals and more will only continue to perpetuate poverty across the land.

We certainly have a long road ahead and i do sincerely pray with me hand on my chest that some how any how Buhari and co gets it right and folks like Fayemi bring home some serious bacon from the ministry of solid minerals which he heads . . . . .South africa are where they are today mostly from revenue from solid minerals gotten from their soil ditto to Australia as well . . . . . . and we do have loads of un mined solid minerals untapped all over the country.

We really need new money or wealth to supplement what we have now before we can move forward and hopeful build. a prosperous future for our kids
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 3:42am On Nov 22, 2015
interloper:


Bros you literally transported me back to the Lagos i grew up and i can identify with . . . . your short narrative is very much in other and i really wish somehow we can work towards capturing our glorious past back . . . .Surulere, Ilupeju, Festac and Apapa were very strong middle class community then and u could liken it to many middle class communities in developed climes, well manicured estates/roads, community living, community recreational parks, lively neighbourhood and a very upward/mobile middle class back then . . . . how we dropped the ball really breaks me heart.

The moment those impostors, bad enough they staged the coup in '66 then decided in their own warped wisdom going for Unitary system of government eh? i feel that was when Nigeria Died . . . . . Regional government would have helped accelerate regional development to a very large extent and imbued the spirit of pride in every citizen via regional governance and not these chaotic federating units we have now which apart from being damn too expensive to run! we are just not yet wired fully to run the show on that level . . . . .politics of tribalism a very ever present mitigating factor . . . . . . glorious past we did have after independence . . . sobs sobs sobs

They are at it again screaming secession . . . .most all the nations negative milestone be piloted by them!!!!!!!!!!

Of cos that can be considered a JAMB question aight? undecided
grin

Some school of thoughts felt that maybe cos we got independence literally on a platter of Gold it kinda made our political class then not to appreciate what they had and the enormous work ahead of them . . . . atimes i wonder if the British had left Nigeria around 1997 like they handed over Hong Kong to the Chinese then . . . . we prolly be a first world by now . . . .

No matter how apartheid was bad, the whites did a pretty good job developing many province in south Africa to first world infrastructure . . . . they are not fully their just yet but they are miles ahead many many african countries . . . . . my first visit to Johannesburg, pretoria, Durban and co . . .
i was more than humbled and when u here some uninformed folks screaming online that "wetin dey South Africa sef" (derogatory tone) . . . i cannot but smh and pity the pinnacle of their ignorance . . . .

We certainly do have a long way on this our journey of nationhood and scary to think we might just not turn the corner soonest . . . . .

A case of which way Nigeria . . . . ?
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 3:39am On Nov 22, 2015
MayorofLagos:


You are young and cant remember shyyyt. Lol!
That was Ajao!

Im glad you mentioned that firld. Look my brother...Yoruba needs to take stock of past and make on decision on where we are headed.

Do you know who Habeeb Fasinro is? He served and was peer with Mayor of Lagos Olorunimbe in the days of Lagos City Council.

While they were in the city council, Adeniran Ogunsaya and Femi Okunnu were Federal Ministers. This was the age when Surulere was born as a new outcrop to develop and expand new settlements away from Lagos Island, Apapa and Yaba. Akoka at the time was a swamp. Unilag is built on swamp, its hard to discern coming into campus but you can easily tell this when you go past all the buildings and get.to the beach.

Similarly, Surulere was a marshland. Surulere was intended in its design to mirror the suburbs of English villas. LEDB - Lagos Executive Development Company - was responsible for building malls, shops and markets and generally commercial real estate. LSDPC - Lagos State Development and Property Corporation - was handling residential real estate.

LEDB built shop plazas at the confluence of major intersevtions and built shopping malls at residential clusters.

LSDPC built high rise and townhomes and duplexes.as.well as bungalows.

Surulere was the pilot for these new projects. If you go in Surulere you will see that each neighborhood area is made of streets, crecents, close, circles....and each is a replicate of the other. In the circles is where you have built homes arranged around a central recreation area reserved as playground for neighbourhood children and for gathering for residents events.

This field you talked about by Jubril Martins was called Ajao Circle or Crescent or something but ...and I can see it vividly and that entirw area was the perfect model showcasing what these leaders of the 60s had in mind to do for Yoruba progress. That and the entire stretch of residential neighborhoods from Alhaji Masha by Akerele and till you get to Adeniran Ogunsaya shopping complex by Eagle club.

The Governors need to bring these plans back and reintroduce them in every state of this commonwealth.


Bros you literally transported me back to the Lagos i grew up and i can identify with . . . . your short narrative is very much in other and i really wish somehow we can work towards capturing our glorious past back . . . .Surulere, Ilupeju, Festac and Apapa were very strong middle class community then and u could liken it to many middle class communities in developed climes, well manicured estates/roads, community living, community recreational parks, lively neighbourhood and a very upward/mobile middle class back then . . . . how we dropped the ball really breaks me heart.

The moment those impostors, bad enough they staged the coup in '66 then decided in their own warped wisdom going for Unitary system of government eh? i feel that was when Nigeria Died . . . . . Regional government would have helped accelerate regional development to a very large extent and imbued the spirit of pride in every citizen via regional governance and not these chaotic federating units we have now which apart from being damn too expensive to run! we are just not yet wired fully to run the show on that level . . . . .politics of tribalism a very ever present mitigating factor . . . . . . glorious past we did have after independence . . . sobs sobs sobs
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 11:49pm On Nov 21, 2015
ProfShymex:


I believe they never planned it the way it turned out. They most like just wanted to create a propaganda machine cos they put all their eggs in one basket, during the last elections. However, you know how innately emotional these folks can be, hence Kanu started over-doing it. And with the unexpected momentum they have on their side now, they just have to keep pushing the wheels - they can't stop now.

Honestly, I don't see Nigeria surviving the next 10 years intact. Once you follow the dynamics of things, a lot of things are being orchestrated both inside and outside the country. If the country survives the next decade - folks need to go to Church and do a massive thanksgiving. Yorubas just need to start preparing for all eventualities cos when the storm hits Nigeria - it's going to look like shock and awe. Something is going to hit Nigeria soon, trust me.

My concern is the collateral damage of this misadventure, its going to be more than what guns and bullets can do, the anarchy and mystery families and the society at large will be subjected too will be better imagined than witnessed . . . . . secession like this are never gonna be easy to achieve especially with such devilish propaganda they started with.

You honestly think if the whole drama begins and neighbourhood are setting up vigilante to fish out non yoruba in the SW which they will sadly do, many militia groups will be springing up on every streets, picture the piles of body from both sides of the divide, even those running off to the east driving thru many Yoruba towns face a daunting task cos those roads will either be destroyed or anyone driving bye be relieved of all their belongings and be sure in some areas/villages/hamlets a regular village guys will evolve into a militia man overnight and in that case they tend not to have any rules of engagement.

What i still don't get is why don't they channel all their adrenaline energy towards the political elites and government in the east? that should be their first port of call and not desiring to solicit for weapon to kill their fellow nigerian.

I still don't gerrit SMH
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 11:19pm On Nov 21, 2015
ProfShymex:


You just hit the nail on head.

I've always wondered why they use the same pattern to disseminate these atrocious lies everywhere for social engineering - now I understand better. The whole campaign of calumny against other groups - while spreading propaganda about their non-existent superiority is well orchestrated and oiled by a machine.

Folks need to start countering it with facts, before they start subconsciously messing up the psyche of the other groups. The only thing they're superior at is noise making everywhere like parrots.

The whole secession is well orchestrated as well. Only a fool won't know that. If not, where are they getting the funding to mobilise folks from? Anyway, I want them to go, so Yorubas can grow and achieve greatness. We already have the blueprint/consciousness - all we need is implementation within a space where we can thrive as a people.

Of cos every thing they do is always well planned and orchestrated only that it keeps collapsing right before their very eyes, you would have come across that viral video where Kanu, the arrow head of their latest secession voyage was soliciting for funding to prosecute his war or rather to kill his fellow Nigerian in the US.

You would observe non of the people in the room screamed him to a halt not to discuss such or at least attempt to scuttle that line of thinking/conversation right there and then but alas!!! they kept quiet and afterwards asked some lame question that he should explain further . . . . . . what should be considered an aberration in the first instance they are asking for explaination . . . . .they are as quilty as the man in my own reckoning.

Trust my yoruba peeps . . . . .hahaha they will just mark you to an abrupt stop and ask you if are there no other ways to be explored to achieve this voyage than mass homicide if i may use that word? and that brings me to Bola Ige"s admonishment to Yorubas that should the country divide or go her separate ways no blood of Yoruba man/woman should be split in achieving this, not because of cowardice but that better to jaw jaw than war war.

He started on the wrong foot (Kanu) and i don't see him achieving his set objectives but i would have loved so much if this foolery was on full momemtum/display whilst Jonathan was in power . . . . . . but i guess it's the same crowd that chanted Gej forever, they needed to be engage to sing a different song again and i guess by next election they will be singing a different song once PDP vies for presidency and hands them the VP slot . . . . . interesting times ahead guys
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 10:47pm On Nov 21, 2015
ProfShymex:


Lool.

A lot of Yorubas on here believe that crap, when Ijebus, Ijeshas, and Ogbomosho folks even been trading far and wide across Africa, way before Lugard and Mungo Park were born. grin grin Also, everywhere you go in the West, where there are Nigerians - Yorubas dominate trading/business there. That's what happens when they keep programming folks with a particular thought process - they'll start doubting themselves.

I played Sunday league football everywhere and if the blind knows Yorubas are one of the most talented footballers in Africa. Then you have Ghanaians, Ivorians, and Congolese folks. Don't sleep on Congo - the likes of Benteke, Kompany, Remi, N'Zonzi are Congolese. And apart from football - they're very good at basketball. I can't speak for the likes of Mali, Senegal, Guinea and other Francophone African countries cos most of them live in France, but based on the talents they have - those countries are also supremely talented.

Those folks you listed out there are actually the doyens of the yorubas trading expeditions and boy o'l boy there market coverage is way out of this world especially the ogbomosho crowd, that i know very much . . . . . spent a good donkey years in the last millennia in one of the unity schools out there and i can remember vividly every household out there had a very very strong trading and families ties to Ivory coast . . . . one third of the town folks then could speak french nicely both old on young . . . . .they have a funny way of pronouncing Abidjan which i so much love hearing and of cos fa!

But like a typical yoruba trader, they boast not but rather quietly carry on with their day today businesses . . . . . .some of them that were very successful had absolutely no affinity to Lagos and all her nuances . . . . . .they are just cruising on their lane, chopping and cleaning mouth!

My adopted town i most confess . . . . .hahaha
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 10:23pm On Nov 21, 2015
ProfShymex:


What about the generational cycle and subconscious mental/psychological programming that will make start believing other folks are naturally more gifted than them at football?

It's similar to the way some Yorubas have started believing that certain folks are better than them are trading, when that isn't the case. Once you step outside the shores of Nigeria - Yorubas dominate SMEs and trading, especially in developed countries. The UK is a classic example cos Yorubas own over 90% of Nigerian business here.

They need to stop this madness and stop programming folks to think a certain way. Or just divide the country.

Have often raised my concern about these latter day "self branding" by these folks . . . . reminds me of the western media machinery saying Africa is a diseased ridden continent and as such nothing good can come out of it.

Of cos every tribe do have a comparative advantage in every sector of the Nigerian economy but for some group of people to constantly insist and continuously desire to drill into the consciousness of others that they are the best, the gifted, the most blessed blah blah blah yada yada yada . . . . to me its a mind game, if we don't confront this narrative headlong then they will rebrand us all over.

I know they do have their weekly or monthly reorientation machinery aka village/tribal meetings all over the world were they continuously reach a quorum and devise ways of attacking anything but themselves online/offline thereby creating that aura that they rule the galaxies but am happy that with this new found cause of secession which they've being trumpeting all over every one is seeing them for who they really are, the once ordinary docile citizen from other tribes are beginning to march and collapse their propaganda machinery headlong which is very well in order if u ask me . . . .

So this self deluded branding will collapse sooner than later.
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 9:36pm On Nov 21, 2015
CabbieAC:



I try as much as possible not to discuss the tribalism aspect so it won't appear like I'm playing victim but for how long are we going to keep hiding from the truth

These things are obvious.Coaches will definitely favour players they have more chemistry with.Its like me going to another country for the first time and I see 5 nigerians and one of them is Yoruba.I'll definitely flow with him more because he speaks my language.Its just natural

But on this issue of tribalism there should be a place and time for displaying such in my own opinion, it's the obvious and brazen show of it that fans the ambers of revenge amongst ourselves, trust me the next cycle of coaches like you mentioned will definitely play such card but what eats me up is the apparent lack of tact and decor even whilst doing this abominable act which really should bother any sane minded person.

Of cos in team selection?! merit should go before any other thing but again if the pool of players at once disposal are mostly from the coaches region then that in itself is a simple a case of "baggage in baggage out" . . . . . but i hope to God tribalism will one day be a thing of a distant past in our national psyche but won't put money on it just yet but okay to wish and dream i dare say! . . . . . grin
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 9:24pm On Nov 21, 2015
CabbieAC:
Shymex/forgiveness/interloper a lot of people try to downplay the tribalism aspect of it.I mentioned yesterday that tribalism plays a major role.I've sponsored friends for trials before and I know how things work

During trials,these factors are very crucial

-Money
-Connection
-Ability
-Tribe

In that order

but one thing I'll also add is that the Yoruba talents out there find it difficult to get sponsorship and this is where I might have to agree with interloper.The average Yoruba parent is less willing to sponsor his Child compared to parents from other tribes

I certainly concur with you on so many levels, but this goes back to what i elaborated earlier and i quote if present day football administrators continue to promote some folks over another, they are more or less creating a mindset that good footballing can only come from x part of the country which we all know ain't true . . . . . .but again if a certain group have a dominant role in the playing career of this football teams, it's only goes to say future coaches, technical crew and administrators would again be chosen from this subset and thereby maintaining a jugular hold on football affairs, be able to determine selection, exit and entry criteria and of cos brand recognitions . . . . . . . . .

This folks are literally planting their people out there so even if you meet up all the aforementioned malaise (money, connection, tribalism etc) they still have the final say even after a would be guardian of this talented young stars have fulfilled all "unrighteousness".

Tough call if we are ever gonna see changes or perhaps we just continue to pray that young stars of yoruba extraction will continue to excel internationally and just maybe maybe . . . . .the society/folks will begin to ask questions why these boys have not being brought into the national team or something . . . . . .i hope they will be bold enough to tell the world they are not good enough why they were never invited . . .
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 8:39pm On Nov 21, 2015
anonimi:



You completely misread my comment about the Eagles selection as it aligns fully with what you wrote above.
Please read my post again.
Thanks

Apologies . . . .i still had this football thingy in my system . . . .thought we were still on a "walking conversation" in that regard but good to know i arrived at a point we can still agree on and even funnily enough covered your concluding narrative on the way forward swell grin grin grin . . . . .

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Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 8:31pm On Nov 21, 2015
ProfShymex:


Hopefully, you'll kick start it by educating us about ya state. The plight of the Yorubas there. Performance of ya governor. Etc..

I suppose that should be a good starting point, have always being fascinated about Kwara/Kogi states axis and hurts to find out many of the youngsters out there even on social media platforms tend not too overly celebrate socioeconomic activities in those states more often, i do know more than enough but then would be nice if we are constantly informed about whats up in that hood in other not to mentally ascribe it that it's just another Northern State in Nigeria, they are mostly of Yoruba extraction after all.

Like someone opined on earlier threads it will be nice to have on board more folks from those states to come enlighten and broaden our information base about recent developments and happenings for yonder.
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 8:11pm On Nov 21, 2015
CabbieAC:
Interloper so many questions begging for answers

Of cos their are lotta questions begging for answers as per Nigerian and her constituents parts and of cos how we want to conduct our journey of Nationhood.

My grouse with this "marginalisation tea party crew" is . . . . . when the system favours them albeit temporary, merit is the trump up card and if otherwise they use the "marginalisation" card to play victim . . . .

Why am i saying this now? as per the football gist we are on about, it's definitely paying them and they are singing to the gallery that they are the best and achieved all this constantly by merit (rolls eyes again) but when the next tribalist crew come on board and snuff them all out, bringing his own tribe on board . . . .then we all gonna hear the songs of Armageddon again that xyz tribe is still being marginalised from Nigerian soccer because they are God's given gift to Nigeria and they have always produced the best footballers since the time of John the Baptist!
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 7:28pm On Nov 21, 2015
anonimi:


Sorry sir but that Facebook post is mostly the ranting of someone who was affected by the sack of Aviation ministry people trying to wrap baseless sentimental things around it.
Two of the three main ministers responsible for Jonathan's socio-economic TRANSFORMATION are Yorubas, Adesina & Aganga. Is that not so?
Why would you support someone talking about JUICY appointments to "empower" Yorubas, which is clearly a CORRUPTION mentality
Should we not be focused on having COMPETENT people who can impact their areas of public responsibility?
Abi how do we make progress as a country?
The ongoing discussion on Eagles selection is not about "juicy" appointments or is it

Just to draw your attention more to my own opinion regarding this eagles selection thingy, from where am looking at things am not driving my points from the prism of "juicy appointments" just to let you know for starters.

I believe in the truism of fair play, fair representation and giving every one an opportunity to contribute regardless of race, creed, tribe to unleash their God given talents especially in the sporting fields, but if i were to take more than a pedestrian look at available records past and present as per team selection and others, am sure for a truly discerning mind what comes to fore is the predominance of a certain part of the country constantly hardlining our footballing tournaments . . . . . .

And for others asking questions about this skewed selection, you seem to be in a hurry Sir to label them as another run of the mill folks advocating for juicy appointments for their kindred thereby relegating merit to the background, which i most reiterate is not the premise of my own points . . . . .
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 6:34pm On Nov 21, 2015
SexyKaycee:
Has it ever occurred to you that Yorubas overseas dnt mke d national team cut because of their long stay overseas sometimes up to four generations which mke dem have mre affinity for d English national team over the Nigerian one

You just might have a point but am not down with it just yet though . . . .most of those lads whose names featured up here would most likely not play for the British national team not because they are not fab enough but that's entirely another gist, but they would certainly like to play for their second country, Nigeria in this case. . . . .if i may ask you in return, how did you arrive at your findings though?

Did the Nigerian Football academy reach out to them and they declined? Am sure you most have heard about David Alaba and his exploits . . . . . to think a few years ago he was in Nigerian for trials and he as expected never sailed thru (rolls eyes, another gist on itself) but now? his a national icon in the Austrian footballing circle and beyond . . . . the hero worship they give him is positively insane . . . . . .

And am sure you would have heard about similar foreign based athletes who have suffered the same fate like this one . . . . as long as the the Nigerian sporting authorities don't keep their ears on the ground to discover and encourage new sporting talents, the best of them will continuously owe sporting allegiance wholly to their country of birth, and Nigeria most likely wouldn't be for most.

If a private citizen like @forgiveness, @shymex can keep tab of this lads upward footballing career at a very young age, tell me what has stopped the Nigerian Soccer body from doing same and nudging them from time to time not to forget about playing for Nigerian sometime in their footballing career huh? . . . . ........and you and i know the reason for this if you wanna be honest? . . . . . . we never plan long term to build a culture of repository of talent pool to use if and when needed rather we are stuck in our fire brigade attitude to getting the job done and we fail again and again and blame everyone but ourselves regarding preparation.

No Sir, I utterly disagree with your "generational excuse" . . . . ., with that list and believe there's more, if they are approached am sure well over 50% will jump at the opportunity to fly the Nigerian colour if we encourage and reach out to them formally and agree on a "practical working and rewarding terms and conditions' . . . .they will give us their best after all.

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Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 5:27pm On Nov 21, 2015
interloper:


i certainly agree with you bruh, what many of us perhaps shy away from or tend not to accept is that their is an "unwritten systemic script" to oust other tribes out from nigerian football . . . .what am not sure of is? if this is deliberate or not or perhaps an oversight from other tribes not desiring to be too participatory which i sincerely doubt.

if present day football administrators continue to promote some folks over another, they are more or less creating a mindset that good footballing can only come from x part of the country which we all know ain't true . . . . . .but again if a certain group have a dominant role in the playing career of this football teams, it's only goes to say future coaches, technical crew and administrators would again be chosen from this subset and thereby maintaining a jugular hold on football affairs, be able to determine selection, exit and entry criteria and of cos brand recognitions . . . . and some will even build a family dynasty/brand out of this, after all x brother played well so his sibling y should do us proud as well . . . . . . in some clime they call it institutional races and perhaps we might look for a name for this budding trend sooner than later . . . . hahaha

forgiveness:

Thank you sir, you've really done well to dig out these talented players for the world to know that Yorubas will always perform better on a level playing field.
I have been following the progress of these players I highlighted for the past 6-7 years now. I remembered when nicky Ajose moved from Manchester United to Bury on loan, he eventually became the highest goal scorer for his club and his goals led Bury to promotion making him the hottest under 20 Nigerian player at that time but as usual he was ignored. The thing pain me die.
I remembered when Liverpool beat off competition from top Europe's clubs to sign Sheyi Ojo from Milton Keyness Don with undisclosed fees believed to be in the region of $2 million. When he was just 14 years old. He is now one of the key players in Hull city in the Championship but as usual they will prefer an academy player(Alex Iwobi) to a Championship player. that is Nigeria for you oo.
Bobby Adekanye was formerly an Ajax academy player before he was lured to Spain by Barcelonia at the age of 12. I even saw his skills on YouTube at the age of 12, it was awesome to see an 11 years old boy displayed such abundant skills. He left Barcelonia early this year for Liverpool because of FIFA sanction on Barca for under age transfers. He is also a left footed player like Sheyi Ojo. This one too no go enter Nigeria team due to.......

@forgiveness . . . .quite an very interesting expose you threw up there, giving us a live commentary so to say of how our boys have faired internationally nee the UK but get next to nothing in recognition or call up back home and again a shout out to @shymex for digging out this names and clubs which certainly has given us an in-depth pattern of how this dirty behind the scenes football politics is being played out repeatedly for all to see and with all her inherent tribal undertones on full display.

So how then do we correlate this abundance of talents from a certain part of the country and they are literally extinct when it comes to playing for our national teams? I am not subscribing that home based players should be ignored but a medley of home based and foreign based players will certainly help in cross fertilisation of skills, keeping the spirit of brotherhood and friendship alive by playing with team mates from across diverse background which will certainly help in no small way in killing the feeling of mistrust we have for one another in this country and foster more unity. . . . . . .

But a situation where xyz tribe is continuously being featured and headlining all soccer events again ain't cool, after all football in Nigeria still remains a rallying point for all Nigerian citizens and as such team selection should be sacrosanct in my own opinion, so we all get a sense of belonging and a good vehicle for the young ones to know they will always be welcome within the sporting community devoid of all those national fault lines we try so hard to hide like it's never in existence in the first instance.

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Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 8:01pm On Nov 20, 2015
IlekeHD:


OMG I'm not Desola lol.

Although I take it as a compliment. We're two diff people from two diff states at two different location and with the same culture. Desola is cray tho, I'm nice.

if i may ask . . .whatever became of desola? years back she was a real enigma on nairaland and despite my many years of being on ghost mode, i found her to be a real class act anytime.

just to let the guys that gave birth to this thread celebrating all things yoruba know . . . . as events unfolds positvely out here, more and more yoruba folks will be incline to log off their ghost mode and contribute meaningfully to discussion in here, some threads back then was a tard too dirty to even come on board and every one and everything had something so bad to say to one another, but safe zone to be here for me and hopefully i speak on behalf of many ghost members too.

again i commend the progenitors of this thread to continue to keep it clean/tidy and we all be good, am sure we will get the occasional wolves wanting to create drama on some fast moving threads, best we continue to isolate em and continue to enjoy the well thought of opinions and ideas the yoruba are notoriously famous for in a good way . . . . . thoughts
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 7:37pm On Nov 20, 2015
with the introduction of a non indigene tuition fees or out of state tuition fees to me? it's a very wise thing and i certainly commend the proponents of this idea and executors albeit not like 300% though . . . .that's killing.

but i would enjoin all states in nigeria to throw in some kind of non resident or non indigent stealth tax across the country and curb this idea of folks heading en mass to other states and pile pressure on their social services and local infrastructure, that in itself will apart bring in some revenues to government coffers and this new found revenue can be used to compliment whatever budgetary allocation for such program however token it might be.

the psychological benefits is even in measurable and this would certainly help create a good resident/non resident relationship, as the former will not look down on the later as fighting him in his turf for limited available resources without contributing nothing and the later will in turn appreciate the former in so many levels as a 'son of the soil'.

i really don't blame the guys introducing 300% come think of it, it's a far better option than randomly deporting anyone lest one be accused of internal depotation and all them constitutional nuances that wil arise from such an action . . . . . .
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 5:40pm On Nov 20, 2015
Katsumoto:


Please read my post again.

I said the political leadership should be aligned with the military wing. In Nigeria today, that alignment is necessary.

I never suggested that the OPC should start bombing places or killing people. Even though there is peace in Northern Ireland, has the IRS been disbanded? It exists to still provide a balance even if they are in the shadows.

fair enough but in the eyes of the irish law, IRA is an illegal group and people get sent to jail if you are found to be a member but . . . . . .i just kinda get weary if groups spring up with guns especially outside the proviso of the constitution of any country, most especially a country like nigerian! where there is a silent army of people ready to explore our national fault lines and do maximum damage to her.

i hope some how sometime soon, once we get all this economic benefits trickling down to every corner of the country, this continuous agitation for everything and anything might just die down and folks goan to enjoy the lives, services, infrastructure and the society as a whole . . . .
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 5:25pm On Nov 20, 2015
interloper:


but talking about the irish republican expedition and all the drama they put up in the north of ireland . . . . it all came at a very deep price on the society at large, you will be shock to find out more about the atrocities committed by the british secret intelligence community, the Ulster volunteer front, the ulster defense army and the IRA . . . . . they were as bad as one another with the killings, bombings and kidnappings, a very dark era in irish history any wonder they call it "The Troubles".

No i will not recommend such a template for OPC, this so called paramilitary do want to sit on the throne too at the end of the day . . . . .

the transition for OPC in their upward trajectory will be to open most of their activities for public scrutiny and many areas of their operation be formalised, get a medley of different stratas of the yoruba society to identify with many of their laudable programs and perhaps the political gladiators in SW should at least give them a wink and a nod in even private, as they seem to be a pariah in the eyes of the political leaders in SW and they give them no mention in public or otherwise.

the political leaders of the day should continue to monitor/mentor their activism until such a time they will be ripe to be brought to bare in some formal role within the SW and that endless leadership scuffle btw adams/faseun should be done and getting rid off pls.

Perhaps then the majority of the public can give them a broad base support and recognition.
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 5:17pm On Nov 20, 2015
Katsumoto:


I am surprised this is coming from you. You don't support OPC in its formative years.

I fully support the existence of OPC although I have lost faith in the leadership at the moment. Just I have lost faith in the political leadership in the SW.

If the SW military wing and Political class could align, the demand for regional integration would be greater and there would be progress. Similar to how Sein Fein and the IRA worked together to get the demands of Northern Irish Catholics met.


but talking about the irish republican expedition and all the drama they put up in the north of ireland . . . . it all came at a very deep price on the society at large, you will be shock to find out more about the atrocities committed by the british secret intelligence community, the Ulster volunteer front, the ulster defense army and the IRA . . . . . they were as bad as one another with the killings, bombings and kidnappings, a very dark era in irish history any wonder they call it "The Troubles".

No i will not recommend such a template for OPC, this so called paramilitary do want to sit on the throne too at the end of the day . . . . .
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 5:05pm On Nov 20, 2015
These resolutions were arrived at following a motion by Senator Duro Faseyi (Ekiti North), which he titled, “Illegal mining of the nation’s solid minerals.”

In his submission on the motion, Faseyi drew the attention of the Senate to the worrisome and unlawful plundering of the nation’s solid minerals sector by local and foreign illegal miners operating in the country.

He claimed that illegal mining had resulted in the nation’s loss of N8tn every two years, lamenting that this had impacted adversely on the economy.


i cannot but agree to this astronomical loss in revenue, am sure the 8trillon could be an understatement sef . . . . . still baffles me a country richly blessed beyond non oil minerals can be short changing herself with over reliance on oii and gas with all the drama involve therein . . . . . v mind burgling.

a good few countries with only mineral deposits beneath her soil have consistently mined her and proceeds used in building a better society for themselves. I hope to God for the sake of nigerians citizens, future ones and even unborn nigerians Fayemi gets this sector sooooooooooo right with his brief as the solid minerals minister , cos really? this sector is the new NNPC in my books and it should be on a public private driven business template imo
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 4:36pm On Nov 20, 2015
Ritchiee:
Below is a list of Top 20 football families that have played for the National team in the past 50 years and this list says a lot about who plays for Nigeria one time or the other.How many yorubas are there from the outset?The only major tribe that had always had more representatives in the football thingy in Nigeria had been the S/easterners and the only tribe that could give them a run for their money was and had long been cut out of the action through football politics...

Patrick Okala, Emmanuel Okala
Cyril Okosieme, Ndubuisi Okosieme, Nkiru Okosieme:
Emmanuel Amuneke, Kevin Onyekachi Amuneke, Kingsley Amuneke
Sunday Oliseh, Azubuike Oliseh
Albert Yobo, Joseph Yobo
Dickson Paul Etuhu, Kelvin Etuhu
Kalu Uche, Ikechukwu Uche
Celestine Babayaro, Emmanuel Babayaro
Nwankwo Kanu, Christopher Ogbonnaya Kanu
Tijani Babangida, Ibrahim Babangida, Haruna Babangida
Efe Sodje, Sam Sodje, Akpo Sodje, Onome Sodje
Emma Okocha,Austin Okocha
Clement Temile, Omonigho Temile, Frank Temile
Willy Bazuaye, Baudwin Bazuaye, Daddy Bazuaye
Wilson Oruma, Dominic Oruma, Johnson Oruma
Tarila Okorowanta, Bernard Okorowanta
Emeka Onyedika, Ifeanyi Onyedika
Wole Odegbami, Segun Odegbami
Femi Olukanmi, Segun Olukanmi

John Utaka, Peter Utaka

i certainly agree with you bruh, what many of us perhaps shy away from or tend not to accept is that their is an "unwritten systemic script" to oust other tribes out from nigerian football . . . .what am not sure of is? if this is deliberate or not or perhaps an oversight from other tribes not desiring to be too participatory which i sincerely doubt.

if present day football administrators continue to promote some folks over another, they are more or less creating a mindset that good footballing can only come from x part of the country which we all know ain't true . . . . . .but again if a certain group have a dominant role in the playing career of this football teams, it's only goes to say future coaches, technical crew and administrators would again be chosen from this subset and thereby maintaining a jugular hold on football affairs, be able to determine selection, exit and entry criteria and of cos brand recognitions . . . . and some will even build a family dynasty/brand out of this, after all x brother played well so his sibling y should do us proud as well . . . . . . in some clime they call it institutional races and perhaps we might look for a name for this budding trend sooner than later . . . . hahaha

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Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 3:33pm On Nov 20, 2015
MayorofLagos:


Not to digress from the point under discussion but you recall in 2008/2009 some American banks and corporations were classified as "too big to fail" and given Govt protection against market forces.

Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey are also in the bracket of American institutions that will never be allowed to fail.

In Europe and South America Soccer is more than just being called a sport!

A food vendor alone with a concession contract to supply food and refreshments at a major soccer or baseball game will take home about $10,000...this about 6,000 pounds sterling.


We do not yet operate our sports on that scale. We did not have a cinema flavor that has appeal around the globe twenty years ago. Until very recently we did not have a music genre that plays on airwaves round the globe, until recently. No doubt, whatever we touch in Nigeria turns to gold!. European teams will continue to recruit our players, so there is a open channel...wide open for seeding and developing sports in Nigeria as a big money maker.

When that day comes, one of the many ethnic groups in Nigeria would wield the power and occupy decision making. Which group would it be?

Let me reference Segun Odegbami commenting not long ago that a lot of people who he believes were fans of Orji Uzor Kalu, his competition for post of FIFA President, would prefer a foreigner is given the position if Kalu did not get it.

Sports has, in a way, become instrument of political negotiation. We cannot afford not to be the decision makers for mega sports wealth in Nigeria


i fully subscribe to your assertion that sports has become an instrument of political negotiation and am not too taken aback by Segun Odegbami's comment that instead of him being elected as FIFA president, a certain school(s) of thought(s) would rather that it's best be given to a foreigner . . . . .i really wish i can laugh but just brings to bare again what a divisive and vindictive society we come from. . . . . smh sadly
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 3:19pm On Nov 20, 2015
CabbieAC:
Interloper I honestly don't know why you guys think this is a Yoruba issue

Anyhow sha,I'm speaking from experience.



I wouldn't put it down to a yoruba "faux pas" per se . . . .but we have heard one too many of our friends, neighbours, relatives and siblings whilst growing up "subtly" complain about a typical yoruba parents attitude towards child discipline, child psychologist will let us believe if you provide both emotional and psychological support to kids at an early age in discovering their innate talent especially in sports, this helps to bring the best out of them and they go on to being an happy and healthy citizen and much more!!!

Much as this support is not there for the asking . . . . . me think over parenting killed many yoruba parents in this regard, whilst other tribes parentally (for want of a better word to say) . . . . permit their kids to have a kinda "free range" upbringing and as such they can roam around the neighbourhood with the peers and they might just b lucky to discover a sporting activities they might love and get interested in, i know in their eyes the parents were looking out for us and want us t be the best, but really the best comes in different jobs and skills and not necessary from being a white collar worker . . . . .sighs

But to some extent we (yoruba kids) were constantly reminded the path to being a doctor or a lawyer ain't thru football then hahaha . . . . .guess we know better now.


Yeah i agree to some extent ain't an exclusive yoruba thing but this over parenting more rampant within our ethnic subset

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Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 3:03pm On Nov 20, 2015
Shymm3x:


You forgot NBA and NFL (though there are more Igbos in the league, there are also loads of Yoruba guys and more are coming through).

We're pretty decent in track and field as well. Dasaolu has the second fastest time for 100m in British history and Philip Idowu is the 2nd greatest triple jumper in British history. Not forgetting the greatest British Decathlon athlete - Daley Thompson - who won two Olympics gold medals and broke the world record four times.

David Alaba of Bayern Munich is also Yoruba. And apparently his dad took him to Nigeria to play for the country when he was 15/16 and he was rejected. Yet the same guy is leading a mediocre Austrian team to the Euro Championship in France. Guardiola called him the most gifted/versatile footballer on the planet and he can play any position. The guy isn't even 26 yet, but he has won everything to be won in football at club level.

Interesting you mentioned David Alaba, i was in Vienna a few months ago and despite being an almost all white homogenous society, to see a full size bill board picture of David Alaba kinda humbled me, he really is more than a role model in the sporting circle out there and judging from my street perception, he his fully a part of (them) thru and thru . . . . . fair play to him i tell u cheesy
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 2:55pm On Nov 20, 2015
CabbieAC:


At aalll I haven't agreed o grin grin

In the Nigerian league,all tribes are represented.

Nigerian parents regardless of their ethnicities frown at their children going into soccer.You probably haven't seen Okocha/kanu narrate their experiences

All Naija parents want their Children to be doctors,lawyers and engineers.Its a Naija thing not a Yoruba thing


Much as we might want to think this un supporting attitude is more broadbased across all ethnic groups rather in my own humble opinion and observatio, this dismissive attitude towards sports career seems more prevalent within the subsets of parents from the west of Nigeria nee yorubas.

We were indoctrinated more to think white collar career than any other thing . . . . . .




Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by interloper(m): 2:38pm On Nov 20, 2015
Have often wondered why our lads ain't overly represented in football in particular and am kinda gleaning some real factual information from you guys as to reasons behind in this and it's kinda making sense all over again.

Interesting one of the earlier posters mentioned how parents in naija literally beat the crap out of their kids if they attempt to be more sporty than academic which i wholeheartedly agree with having witnessed same all thru my growing years. My late dad, despite being a football enthusiast especially our local leagues and a part time member of the supporters club, he just could not bear having one of his kids play football! some irony you would say?! and to think bar myself all my other sibling played at every stage of the school years but breaking into the professional arena was an abomination . . . . . sad u would say.

You just had to become a doctor or lawyer or accountant! anything outside that won't fly or it might just have to be exorcised out of you grin . . . . . those where definitely a different era and time in our lives, now as parents would be nice to give kids all the support they need cos you just might never know what this support will give birth to in the no distant future
Education / Blacks Don't Read . . . . . by interloper(m): 1:53pm On Jan 14, 2013
THIS IS VERY DEEP, READ AND PASS ON.

BLACKS DON'T READ

Please Note:

For those of you who heard it, this is the article Dee
Lee was reading some morning on a New York radio
station. For those of you who didn't hear it, this is
very deep and true! BLACKS DON'T READ.

This is very deep and unfortunately, very true! This
is a heavvvvy piece and a Caucasian wrote it.


THEY ARE STILL OUR SLAVES. We can continue to reap
profits from the Blacks without the effort of physical
slavery. Look at the current methods of containment
that they use on themselves: IGNORANCE, GREED and
SELFISHNESS.

Their IGNORANCE is the primary weapon of containment.
A great man once said, "The best way to hide something
from Black people is to put it in a book."

We now live in the Information Age. They have gained
the opportunity to read any book on any subject
through the efforts of their fight for freedom, yet
they refuse to read. There are numerous books readily
available at Borders, Barnes & Noble, and Amazon.com,
not to mention their own Black bookstores that provide
solid blueprints to reach economic equality (which
should have been their fight all along), but few read
consistently, if at all.

GREED is another powerful weapon of containment.
Blacks, since the abolition of slavery, have had large
amounts of money at their disposal. Last year they
spent 10 billion dollars during Christmas, out of
their 450 billion dollars in total yearly income
(2.22%). Any of us can use them as our target market,
for any business venture we care to dream up, no
matter how outlandish, they will buy into it.

Being primarily a consumer people, they function
totally by greed. They continually want more, with
little thought for saving or investing. They would
rather buy some new sneaker than invest in starting a
business. Some even neglect their children to have the
latest Tommy or FUBU. And they still think that having
a Mercedes, and a big house gives them "Status" or
that they have achieved the American Dream.

They are fools! The vast majority of their people are
still in poverty because their greed holds them back
from collectively making better communities. With the
help of BET, and the rest of their black media that
often broadcasts destructive images into their own
homes, we will continue to see huge profits like those
of Tommy and Nike.

(Tommy Hilfiger has even jeered them, saying he
doesn't want their money, and look at how the fools
spend more with him than ever before!). They'll
continue to show off to each other while we build
solid communities with the profits from our businesses
that we market to them.

SELFISHNESS, ingrained in their minds through slavery,
is one of the major ways we can continue to contain
them. One of their own, Dubois said that there was an
innate division in their culture. A "Talented Tenth"
he called it. He was correct in his deduction that
there are segments of their culture that has achieved
some "form" of success. However, that segment missed
the fullness of his work.

They didn't read that the "Talented Tenth" was then
responsible to aid the Non-Talented Ninety Percent in
achieving a better life. Instead, that segment has
created another class, a Buppie class that looks down
on their people or aids them in a condescending
manner. They will never achieve what we have. Their
selfishness does not allow them to be able to work
together on any project or endeavour of substance.

When they do get together, their selfishness lets
their egos get in the way of their goal. Their
so-called help organizations seem to only want to
promote their name without making any real change in
their community. They are content to sit in
conferences and conventions in our hotels, and talk
about what they will do, while they award plaques to
the best speakers, not the best doers. Is there no end
to their selfishness?

They steadfastly refuse to see that TOGETHER EACH
ACHIEVES MORE (TEAM) ! They do not understand that
they are no better than each other because of what
they own. In fact, most of those Buppies are but one
or two paychecks

away from poverty. All of which is under the control
of our pens in our offices and our rooms.

Yes, we will continue to contain them as long as they
refuse to read, continue to buy anything they want,
and keep thinking they are "helping" their communities
by paying dues to organizations which do little other
than hold lavish conventions in our hotels.

By the way, don't worry about any of them reading this
letter, remember, 'THEY DON"T READ!!!!'

(Prove them wrong. Please pass this on!)


The following piece was by me......Interloper

Hearing it from the white boy I hope we can see how
much we hinder ourselves, all in striving to be better
than the next black brother.

I see the success of one blackman as my own success.

If only brothers could open their minds more and find
it in their heart to imbibe a positive feeling of love
to one another. I believe a lot of poverty in Africa
and black communities the world over will be
eradicated. In fact it has been proven, most
especially in Africa that the enemy of the blackman is
the blackman. Can you beat that?

I pray we learn from all these for the advancement of
black generations to come.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Has Dangote Start Calling Graduate Trainee Drivers? by interloper(m): 9:31pm On Aug 18, 2012
just a little disheartening how comments in here are denigrating folks that applied for the dangote truck driver role, i work as a part of global pan european logisticis company as a service partner (self employed) with my parent company playing around with a turnover in excess of 5billion euros and like dangote inc, goods, parcels and pallets needs to be moved across different european countries with different driving rules, health and safety issues,other regulatory/compliance issues arising aswell.

if dangote by and large is trying to raise the bar on truck driving culture in Nigeria by way of employing graduates, the least we can do is to encourage such corporate initiatives, mind you guys those truck/s are pretty expensive whichever currency u look at it and am sure he would have factored in the fact too many incidents and accidents with the old brigade of drivers he had, i know how much it costs me to buy vans and trucks to keep the show on the road out here in the absence of employing graduates out here i make sure would be driver have verifiable years of driving experience and occassional training from time to time cos in logistics down time is very expensive and insurance ain't cheap on those trucks/vans.

by the way am a graduate and an IT consultant and have worked with sum of the prestigious IT firm out here who are in the fore front of cutting edge technology but still loving my driving and my drivers, so OP pls stay focus and hang in there and above all be safe when u get behind those machines, they are lovely to drive summer or winter . . . . . .

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Travel / Re: Pictures Of Dana Air Crash Victims by interloper(m): 6:02pm On Jun 06, 2012
prince aderoju osunbade . . . . u will forever be remembered for your youthfullness and energy towards life . . . sleep well pal

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Politics / Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by interloper(m): 3:18pm On Jan 01, 2011
. . . . . . . . .very unfortunate we are kicking off this new year with the terrible loss of innocent lives in Nigeria again, one can only hope somewhere along this journey of life 'man' would find it in his heart to live in peace with one another. a country so bless with both natural and human resources being messed up by a few people without any relevance to 21st century way of living  sure leaves a sour taste in the mouth and a heart full of ache. . . . . . .

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