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1Sharon:
There is no freewill. Praising God eternally in heaven, does that sound like freewill?

And who says we're going to be singing praises 24/7? What kind of mediocre heaven is that? Wait! Where did you learn all these from?

The Bible says this about what Heaven is gonna be like, "eyes have not seen, ears have not heard, neither had it come into the heart of men what God hath prepared for those that love Him".

Heaven is going to have the best entertainment, the best of technology (even those that surpass human reasoning) - the best of everything. It's surely not going to be boring.

1Sharon:
God doesn't know the choices we make? So you're saying God isn't all-knowing?

What do you understand by being all-knowing? I said earlier, "know God first, before thinking of saying anything about His personality and attributes." God doesn't know the choices we will make. Examples abound in the Bible.

1Sharon:
I didn't attribute anything to God, Christians did.

If Christians who didn't know better attribute something to God wrongly, does that make it the truth? Your argument is too weak! Please, come to the light and be enlightened. Shalom!

1Sharon:
Exactly..Now these people are not practising Christians. They are simply nominal Christians.

Exactly what? They are not practicing Christians because they are peaceful? Does being like Christ require one to be violent? Was Jesus violent towards opposition?

Like I said, for the result they achieved (being peaceful), they got a lot right.

1Sharon:
And God knew that Satan will be evil didn't he??

Are you listening to yourself? If he knew the choices that Lucifer was going to make, where then is FREEWILL? The attribute you're giving to God is one of the most evil attribute that humans have given to God for all times.

See here, God doesn't know the choices we are going to make. He only knows the result of whatever choices we make. That's what the Omniscient attribute of God entail.

We can see a clear picture of this when God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to Him. When Abraham yielded, God said, "Now I know that you truly love me". This shows that God did not know beforehand that Abraham would obey Him.

1Sharon:
But went ahead and still created him. So God is responsible as he knew about it, yet did nothing.

Your problem here is that you're attributing to God what he didn't claim to have. Know God first before you think you can say anything about His personality and attributes.

1Sharon:
Lol those countries are not Christian in the sense there is separation of church and state and they are only nominal Christians and not practising.

What do you mean those countries are not Christians? Please explain yourself. They said they are Christians, you said they are not. . How farther can this be from fact and truth? Na wah for people ooo! All in an attempt you argue, you have to redefine someone to suit your argument.

1Sharon:
You really think those ppl practise Christianity in the way Nigerians do? You haven't got a clue.

I do not remember saying Christianity is the way Nigerians practice it. What exactly are you reading? No nation is the Christian standard. But, for that the most peaceful countries are Christian dominated means that the Christians in those countries got a lot of things right.

1Sharon:
Now to be a true Christian, you must practise the religion don't you?

Ultimately, to be a Christian, you must be like Jesus. Keep the commandments of Jesus Christ. Christianity is all about Jesus Christ.

1Sharon:


@ the bolded. Exactly. So what's your point ?

Lucifer and Satan are not the same thing by the way.

I mean, "God created evil" should be understood in the context that "God created Lucifer" not "God is evil". God is not evil. He is good, and created good things. But, the good that God created transformed itself to Evil because God gave it Freewill.

And yeah, Lucifer and Satan are not the same. Because it was Lucifer God created, and not Satan. Had Lucifer remained the way God created him, Satan wouldn't evil. But, Satan came to being because Lucifer chose evil.

HappyPagan:

Without God, no Satan. Satan supplies the poison, God sells a fake cure. If I sell you bike wey get freewill, you go ride am?

We are not bikes and God and Satan are not riding anybody, so your example has no bearing with our discussion here.

God did not create Satan. Read my comment well. God created Lucifer. Lucifer had freewill, and chose to become evil. The same way we all have freewill to be either good or evil.

HappyPagan:
Your God is a very evil spirit.. that God of Israel, that one that Abraham worshipped... very evil...

Unfounded claim. You have not posted any proof for this. Until then, be careful what you say, cause every idle word is going to be judged.

HappyPagan:

Would like to see these statistics you posted. And I wonder why you'd be posting Christian vs Muslim statistics. You african children of Abraham are both mad...

You want to see the statistics that proves my point?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273159/most-peaceful-countries-in-the-global-peace-index/.

Shows Statistics of Top 20 most peaceful countries in the world. Top 6 are Christian dominated countries. 7 out of the Top 10 are Christian dominated countries. I hope this is enough to convince you that Christian dominated countries are the most peaceful.

HappyPagan:

Maybe the dead Gods are powerless. The ones who exist today will die too. Just like Jesus did on that cross..

Jesus died at AD 32/33 but he's still alive up till today. Not obsolete. Of how many gods can you say the same?

HappyPagan:
And this knowledge and truth you sought, how far did it lead you? How far did you go? Did you do rituals? Did you eat human flesh atop a mountain in the early hours of a late December harmattan morning?

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I stated my methodology - Studying. Stop digressing from the crux.

HappyPagan:
How many Gods do you know? How many African Gods do you know? You've probably read the Bible more times than any other religious book.. wouldnt that suggest a bias for Jesus?

You studied extensively... I agree. A lot of time studying fables and myth isn't too healthy. The myths become real, sometimes even realer than life.

That claim is not right. Do you do how many religious books I've read? You surely have no idea of my journey to this point of my life. And it's not smart making such claims about someone you know nothing about.

HappyPagan:
Bro, that's my mission here. To bring doubt to the minds of the African children of Abraham.

You still haven't said anything worthwhile, that one might consider to be a concrete reason to doubt the realness of the God of the Bible.

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1Sharon:


Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

This is one of the verses that have led many (including you) to believe that God is evil.

To start with, being evil is against every attribute of God, because GOD IS LOVE.

But, how do we explain this in the light of Isaiah 45:7? It is very important to understand the concept of Original Sin. God created Lucifer (who became Satan) as a result of MISUSAGE OF FREEWILL. So, in other words Isaiah 45:7 is correct, because God created Lucifer.

It's one thing to read a verse, it's another to understand it and interpret it inline with every other verse. Cause ultimately, there's no contradiction in the inspired Scriptures.

HappyPagan:
Have we tried the Gods of the Chinese? or the Indian Gods?

These Abrahamic Gods have only brought us strife and hatred.. MOre knights and imams yet as unholy as hell could be.

Do you think it is justified to condemn a sect because of the failure of some of its members? If you do that, that shows how low your sense of judgement is. There are Christians all over the world who are extremely peaceful. Statistic shows that Christian dominated countries are very peaceful. We can not say the same of Moslem dominated countries.

HappyPagan:
Our native Gods we have killed with our own hands... Gods depend on belief to exist after all... if their believers dwindle, they fade like old memory.

Every god that can not prove itself will fade away. The reason they are obsolete is because they are powerless.

HappyPagan:
Speaking of memory, apart from the Abrahamic Gods, what other Gods do you know? Wetin dey your mind apart from the myths from Mecca and Jerusalem?
All that knowledge of Israel, and you know very little about the land your feet stand on....what a shame...

I've studied extensively in the pursuit for knowledge and truth, and so far, I've not found any god as real as the Almighty God of the Bible. This is why I am a declared Christian. If you have doubts about the realness of the God of the Bible, come let's talk about your doubts. I may be helpful to clear your doubts.

TheRareGem1:
Nigerians have exposed Aisha Yesufu as a member of the opposition, Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) as tweets in 2015 gave her away.


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The Bring Back Our Girls campaigner was also described as a hypocrite because of her double-speak history, most which were captured in her previous posts on Twitter.

We all have a double-speak history when we didn't know better. Using her history against her present stand is baseless!

TheRareGem1:
Yesufu who is known for her constant criticism of the Buhari administration voted for former President Goodluck Jonathan and his Vice President, Architect Namadi Sambo in the 2015 election but the duo lost to Muhammadu Buhari and Yemi Osinbajo.

In one of her tweets in 2015, she said:


https://twitter.com/AishaYesufu/status/581974939554680832?s=19

Since her candidates lost, Yesufu has been attacking the Buhari administration often targeting them in her tweets.

What's this country turning into? Does it mean that if I speak against an APC led government, I'm automatically a PDP supporter? Or because she voted PDP candidates (and they lost the election) she does not have any right to address the ills in the government?

TheRareGem1:
However, on Tuesday, some Nigerians took to Twitter to expose Aisha Yesufu. According to them, her husband stole money from the National Health Insurance Scheme (NHIS) then fled Nigeria for Scotland.

You'd need to present hard proof for this. Moreover, I dare to say that, it doesn't matter the atrocities the husband has committed, she has the right to choose what she wants to stand for. Her husband's crimes (if it's true) is not enough to dismiss the fact that she's saying the true right now. If the husband is caught, they should deal with him. Or is she preventing the government from doing their duty?

TheRareGem1:
They also claimed that her children are studying in Scotland and not in Nigeria yet she claims she is showing solidarity to undergraduates caught up in the ASUU strike.

When the country is this bad, and waste student's time for nothing, who wouldn't opt for sending their children to study abroad? Fact remains that she's not responsible for the bad governance, she's only trying not to be affected by it. Assuming she's in Government, made it bad, and sent her wards to study abroad, then she'd be an hypocrite. Avoiding being affected by a negative situation (especially when you're not in the position to change it) until it gets better is not hypocrisy.

TheRareGem1:
A twitter user, Austine Abel reveals how Aisha Yesusfu’s husband was fired for stealing money belonging to NHIS:



https://mobile.twitter.com/SirAbelOfficial/status/1399662031700217858

In a similar tweet, Hayden Jones narrated how her husband fled abroad when EFCC was looking for him, "Her husband fled Nigeria to Scotland when @officialEFCC was going to arrest him. And she is talking corruption? #AishaTheHypocrite has no shame, if they born her husband well, he should come home.

A twitter user, Olaoye said she is being paid to slander the Vice president, "The hypocrisy of Aisha Yesufu is not hidden at all, when she was in her right senses she saw the good Osinbajo was doing now that someone is paying her she is saying another thing”.

Another user, Mz Temmy called her out for her double standard display. "Aisha is a hypocrite, sometimes back she praised the VP and said Buhari should remain in London because Osinbajo is doing well now you want to come and badmouth the VP again, that won't work”.

She once complimented Osibanjo, but not she bad mouths him. How's that supposed to be wrong? If you once did something good and I compliment you, does it mean I shouldn't speak up when you do something wrong? This is total nonsense!

TheRareGem1:
In another similar tweet, Mustaphaolatu19 expressed sadness towards her hypocritical character and recommends an immediate medical help for her mental instability, "Aisha Yesufu is a two facet double standard human being. She's a plague we need to cast out, a threat to human sanity. She needs mental support; she's very unstable and a threat to her immediate family. A GoFundMe should be raised for her”.

Bantaqueen cautions her about her nonstop slander against the Vice President which she refers to as boring, "Dear Aisha Yesufu, stop being a hypocrite! You talk from both sides of your mouth. Your constant negativity about the Vice President is getting boring. Please mention one Nigerian VP that has done half of what Osinbajo has done! I’ll wait”.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/AishaTheHypocrite?src=hashtag_click

This is total rubbish! When Jonathan was the VP, he did more than Osibanjo is doing right now. It's obvious in the Economy situation of the country. What is Osibanjo is doing when we are not seeing any result? Efforts without result is nonsense!

This whole post can only brainwash the baseless and those with little to no understanding of the propaganda by which Nigeria as a country is run.

I stand for YDP all the way! And we need those who can stand up and fight like Aisha Yesufu, irrespective of her past (history)!

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people who don't know the story think I am not doing anything and the most exasperating part of it is that my ex,my girlfriend and my bestiee keeps telling me to go back to Yahoo but my spirit,body and soul keeps rejecting it cos anytime I hear Yahoo,d video of the old man crying keeps playing in my head.
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obinna58:
Why can't I even fly if I have Freewill, why Must foolish Yahweh place restrictions in terms of freewill expression

Oh!! Na flying dey hungry you?

Well, that's NOT in context of our discussion. We were NOT designed to fly.

But sha, if you like to fly so much, you fit go meet dibia make them turn you to bird.

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Tell us the Bible verse that supports you on "God knew they were going to sin even before He created them"