plessis:
talk about how you hypocrites deliberately disobey the commandments of your skydaddy... Then automatically condemn atheists because of their disbelief....


The lifestyle of the average Nigerian Christian is disgusting.... Even your pastors and religious leaders sleep with kids and prostitutes with your hard earned income... And you're condemning people who have realized the scam that religion is...

Chai! You must be really angry.... Enough to post this and still not see.... i ain't interested in what the skydaddy or pastors do or nah. That's not the subject matter here.

I only questioned your assertion that only christians should be held accountable for disobeying moral principles that society is subjected to, which is false!

Realized that religion is a scam? Maybe you only switched sides in some mandatory scamming scheme. The greatest scam could be you being alive and thinking you know better because you know(little that we always think is more). Your anger at christians is what i find amusing.

You still were not objective to my observations, and here i am thinking that the core of atheism is more logic, rational thinking and less of emotional unintelligence. Atheism is not better than religion, it's a religion with no standards as far as i can observe(you can prove me wrong) cos all of you are not even on the same page enough for one to begin with(except when you question the Existence of God)
It is not the disbelief or mis-belief of an atheist that's a problem, it's how they point fingers to everything that is wrong while they ain't examplary either.... and that's some heightened level of hypocrisy.

plessis:
Looking at their posts, one can simply conclude that Christians are a bunch of closed-minded hateful hypocrites....

You condemn Muslims, condemn traditional worshipers.... You condemn virtually every other belief that isn't yours... But y'all fornicate, lie, cheat and commit several sins that your God has warned y'all against...

An average atheist is more morally upright than you Sunday worshipping idiots who don't even know what Christianity stands for....


Christianity is a way of life... What way of life?... Clubbing, partying, sleeping around, slaying on social media?....


I personally think Muslims reason better than you lots...

Loool.... and from your perspective, the average morally sound atheist doesn't go with your forementioned 'christian way of life', or the preferred muslim doesn't too.... One of the fruits of close-mindness is bias, and your post should be a classic example of a hypocritic close-minded, quick to point a finger(without logical thinking) kind of mind. In your open mind,only christians party,sleep around and slay

Dimples182:


Really sis! With all the bloodshed, discrimination, and hypocrisy, that religious people commit? If religion tames people then why are we witnessing all this dysfunction amongst religious countries and people?

It's really sad that you or your religion would describe people who don't follow the teachings as wickedness and darkness. Is it atheists that are condemning children under the terms of being a witch? Is it atheists that go to war (crusaders, jihadists ) and kill for what they believe and others reject?

I am an atheist and I am neither wicked nor evil. I am compassionate and I love without conditions.

And I'm sure that if atheist had their own country, it will be Utopia and the capital Nirvana!! There will be no bloodshed, discrimination or hypocrisy... People who believe in God will not be denied basic rights and will be seen as equals in all ramifications (as we see happening already). Religion has become a soft target for the many problems of the world by those who create them-and those who blame them....

ChrisOssai:
It was actually gotten from a movie

The answer is (your)Name

From the movie The conjuring 2

foolinlove:


No. I made a sarcastic comment in response to your assumption that the women were selected as a simply "considerate" measure, while men were automatically merited in their positions.

Ook ooh....

But my assumption was for both cases... and vice versa... gender is not an issue to me. Correctness is....

foolinlove:


The Canadian PM has a depth of talent to deal with. Making it equally representative would not be hard and would not sacrifice efficacy.

I just hope the men on his cabinet got there through merit and not just because they are men.

Time will tell....time will....

You see what I'm pointing out... i referenced gender, you referenced the men.... so the women automatically merited such positions? And you want some other minds not to see them as 'woman' and not "human ". Smh

foolinlove:


Feminism is not about women dominating men. Why don't you understand this?

A female president doesn't mean all women have power over all men. No feminists suggests that only women should be in positions of power. The Canadian prime minister is a feminist and said he would have half of his staff be male and half female - that's feminism.

It is ooh....forget all the subtleties.


That's considerate of the PM. i will agree to that if the first criteria considered was efficiency,the best capable hands and not gender bias of any kind... if it's the last one, in no time will the efffects come to fruition. When i want a task done gender is the last ,if not none - existing thing on my mind... pick the best hands and get it right...

foolinlove:


Generalisations bother me when they affect me every day.

You live with male privilege. I have to fight twice as hard to be heard because I am a woman in a male dominated field.

I have gained through my hard work. I have not benefited from patriarchy.

Feminism is not the opposite of patriarchy. It has just been named after the people who fight for equality of opportunity when they had none - females. They don't seek to be in power over all men. I keep saying this and you refuse to hear it.

I have never benefitted anything from being male..women benefit more from being female, so play no victim to suit this situation. i work hard everyday to make a statement, which is i can be better than yesterday. In my school days, female folks worked half my effort to get same grades like i did...some even marked my scripts!! What do you call that?

Foresight is important and from history, the trends of this campaign for feminism if it eventually wins will peak at domination... they want power, and tell me what form of power is not dominating? what difference is it to patriarchy then.... i hear your thoughts, i just don't agree.

foolinlove:


Patriarchy has created stereotypes. You are playing into them by suggesting women only can nurture children - abundantly untrue.

Men have a right to paternity leave. In many countries. Thanks to feminism making way for maternity leave.

Feminism is about women being ABLE to fight for their place. Which it has done.

You are confusing feminism for patriarchy.

I have been the victim of gender bias daily in my life. Being overlooked for promotion at work even though I am more qualified and experienced than my male counterparts. Being paid less than my male colleagues of the same level as me. Being sexually harrassed on the street. Being blamed for my rapes. Being called a slvt for something I wore. Being called a b!tch bevause I refused sexual advances of a guy I thought was my friend. Being beaten by a boyfriend because a man approached me in a shop. Being told what to wear if I want to be respected. Being asked why I'm not married, and that I'll never be married if I focus so much on my career. Being told that my place is below a man. And so it goes.

Being told I have fewer rights than men, by you, simply because I was born with female Instruments.

I live by feminist principles. That women should have as much opportunity to succeed as men. That men have absolutely no right to treat me poorly because another female did something they didn't personally approve of.

When someone says "all men cheat" men scream and rant "not all men!" And then in the same breath start generalising and categorizing women based on irrelevant data like what women wear. It's illogical. But that's patriarchy for you.

I'm not confusing both.... they are the same. Just the gender advocating them is the difference....

And you think men haven't gone through many of stuffs cos they are male... the many times at work folks have received commendations aand promotions cos they are women... Some even gate crash their way up...

As much as i empathise with you, i would not conclude hearing your side alone.... sometimes it's our reaction to situations that get us what we never bargained, not gender. ... besides, you only told me your loss and not your gain- those things that kept you longing rather than quitting at those times

There's never an all case in any situation these days... so generalisations shouldn't bother any focused mind.

foolinlove:


Feminism fights to dismantle gender stereotypes. It is helpful to men too.

Feminism has succeeded in a lot. And it will continue to do so. Whether you like it or not.

Im the future, women will be able to have posession of their own bodies to the point where no one sees women as inanimate sexual objects. Where women have reproductive rights. Where men can stay home and care for children while women go out and work - if that's what's right for that couple. Where people are free to make choices based on circumstance, not gender.

It is not about women taking over the world. It is about women being treated with the same respect and opportunity as men.

Equality may be impossible, but equality of opportunity is not.

You still evade my questions.....

Men are also sexual objects...hope you are aware..

Men should also take to the streets protesting privileges like maternity leave and female specific job opportunities.... you cannot take away gender from many circumstances....

Reproductive rights? In what sense please...

If i hit a man it's called a fight...but i hit a woman, right or wrong, i become the shameless one... where's the so much advocated equality in such circumstance...

Why will men stay home... that is bilogically,economically and socially out of place. Then where is the place of the females in nature to nuture... The breastss you have ain't no accident neither your kind birthing a mistake

Feminism in our time doesn't fight stereotypes....it for weak women who cannot fight for their place in this genaration but want it on a platter... muh of talkers than doers. Women with complex issues who try to give men as the reason why they can't thrive where they have been placed...

The society has become more egalitarian and less patriarchal since the advent of industrialisation.... it's an open field with abundant opportunities....train yourself right and seize yours...

Feel free to quote me when you have been victimised by gender bias and we'll weight it alongside when you haven't.... feminism cannot fight what it creates- which is stereotypes...

foolinlove:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy

Patriarchal thoughts are those that support privileges of men at the expense of women.

Both genders reinforce patriarchy. I am not attacking men, I am attacking an invalid social system.

Hope you read the feminist theory attached to this social system (which i disagree is functional in this age) ... was the bias towards the female gender alone?

If not,why are you one sided?

This one sidedness is the cause of the modern feminist's mis-direction!!

People in this lane are sinking ships from past experience,who would rather blame others than themselves. They deprive themselves the room to be better by staying bitter, since they look outward rather than inward.

They don't look for the good outside since they are blinded, but will unconsciously reveal thier embittered souls in thier fight for a perceived sanity. ..

Try not to be one,they learn of the deepened injury when it's terminal.... Adios!!

foolinlove:


I do know the difference.

Please go and do some reading. I haven't got the time to educate you on the last thousand years of human sociology.

Google is your friend.

Loooooool.....

You still haven't answered my questions..... it's not that complicated to give an explanation of a term you have been referencing all morning...

You can recommend texts on human sociology for me to look through, that could be a great way to start knowing a lot within the context of the last thousand years


Is it not amusing that you had all morning to lecture us on the the emotional,logical and psychological aspects of cleavage exposure and it's embodiments; yet you cannot spare just few lines to explain these 'patriarchal thoughts' that have littered almost every post you have made all morning... how encompassing,inspiring and thoughtful of you...


Be careful of what you read on Google.... it has always been an acquaintance, but never my friend..
kudos those who drink from your golden cup of wisdom!!!!

IamLEGEND1:
There was never a world,neither will there be one where women would be seen in the same light as men. it's The simple truth.

I personally consider anyone,of any gender with feministic ideals to be intellectually inferior solely because everything that has to do with feminism is unadulterated nonsensè.

If you think you can expose ur boobs because it's a secondary sexual organ,just like the man's facial hair,then be my guest.see what happens.
Just because tomatoes and pepper are fruits doesn't mean you add them to ur fruit salad.

Your last line points and kill

Foolinlove please i need answers for my points 1. 4. & 6. Thank you

foolinlove:


That's your taste in fashion. You're allowed to have different taste while still advocating for reduced sexualisation and body shaming.

Sexualisation of women is what leads to body shaming and policing.

1 + 1 will always be a no that never exceeds 2... your taste will never exceed whatever statement it is defaulted to make. You can exhibit your taste, but you cannot control or change the perception...

foolinlove:


It is patriarchal thought that is the problem facing feminism, not the male gender.

Women should not have to live up impossible patriarchal standards to earn respect. Men are given respect no matter what.

I'm not talking about respect for earning money etc. I'm talking about basic human respect. Being able to do as you please (things that hurt no one), with no judgement. Men do as they please and no one tells them what to do all the time.

Women get "advised" daily on how to behave, what to wear, how to do everything - like we're incapable of thinking for ourselves.

Women are not incapable of thinking.

1. What is this patriarchal thought you are talking about?

2. You mentioned in your earlier comments of our fore-fathers not minding being bare breasted, you need to read more about your ancestors... then you'll surely rephrase that....

3. I mentioned the duo in my earlier post because of their wealth character wise...and they ofcourse are living happily married lives and less focused on bashing and whining about the male gender. Their minds are focused on interacting with like minds and not some primitive showings like cleavage....

4. It is fallacious to claim men are given respect on a platter...please make me understand how...

5. On the aspect of advice... women get more advice from their own lot than the male folks....


6. blame your kind who we see cart away with millions for humping around with zero IQ and perfected bodies for already thinking for you.... they adorn magazine's and influence perceptions. Or you'll say you don't have thought out roles for any man in your own life already??

P.s: the word freedom doesn't reflect is true state... male or female, freedom isn't absolute and the society judges both.... just complex issues tends to blow one out of proportion than the other. Men are at the recieving end of this complex world, they rarely get favours but earn them... they fight and not cry wolf....


I do not promote equality but equity, and i sincerely hope you tell the difference.

LuveU2:
Funny u will say this, but single women go topless everyday before single men huh, in private. They enjoy the sight of her bossoms in their rooms (they will still shame her later anyway) but would curse her if she bares herself in public. Whar is the difference?

this response got me questioning why toilets and bathrooms were ever created....

foolinlove:


Women want respect and not to be treated like objects. Hilarious.

respect is earned, there are standards to earning respect.... ask the likes of Adichie and Amanpour if exposing cleavage was as important as working their way to recognition and respect.. And people who took them serious saw cleaves before intellect .. mis-direction is the problem facing feminism,not the male gender.... fight that first..

foolinlove:


No, they don't. That's why feminism is important.

Loooool.... of all the reasons for feminism,this cracked me up.

A greater part of this narrative is true, it would be appreciated it if your points are well spaced for easy reading [it's more attractive and easy on the eye that way]. thanks


As much as i am critical of a great amount of Nigerian music; majorly due to the lyrics, i still believe the right frame of mind from both the singer and the listener is required. we can make music with good lyrics in our own Nigerian blend, the business side of music can be worked on too.


The social side of our entertainers [ can't call most artistes] should stop being exaggerated[inclusive of brags in their songs]. these days the shine is on their material acquisitions than even on content. A great deal of 'one hit- no album' entertainers abound, the next thing we see after their hit are pictures of their journeys[when we can have them tour with bands- since they choose the nauseating lip-syncing ], baby mamas, overly-blown events [that don't appreciate the values of hard work nor the ethics of music/business], inflated prices of properties acquired or leased and the dreaded selfies or naked/semi naked shots-with no concern for photos from live performance, studio or acoustic sessions.


I'm positive that things will get better, when talent won't be eroded by noise and autotune, rap will sound like rap and not brag, our artiste will not wait for telecom companies to cramp them in tour buses, the younger generation will sing for the love of music and not just the hype, the musician will be unique and thus be continuous till they grow grey hair with albums and plenty hits. we will give a way for distinctions between and credit to the producer, songwriter etc.

Those on the business side should build credible reputation even when promoting entertainers, not creating illusions; and not trying to applaud mediocrity as exceptional. Hype can be relevant till the true nature wears in- the reason while no matter the playtime paid for,just to force the music into our subconscious for the sake of appeal, oblivion still wins over these so called tunes.


ALL THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS THOUGH.

buharisbae:
ah wouda drop my FB name Buh...this typpa dm ehn

if i'm not wrong it has a 'kh' somewhere in it......

Your assertions are baffling, and you seem quite sure of your 'classic cultural theory and its origin'.

I'm yet to understand how some people's culture you do not understand pass as illiterate!! Perverted men creating culture? (Then we all are perverts if we look up the meaning of culture by your inspiring definition- and your history book has a date, before or in the 16th century).

If your point was within the frame of our present shape shifting, hypocrytic, all knowing culture and time where nudity is parallel (or thought to be)to being virtuous, one would maybe try adjust to your assertions.

Rather than making conclusions of this kind, atleast Google for some form of answers as regards what such exposure stands for in the context of tradition typified by this form of culture.

It's impaired logic to argue about the application of knowledge which you define as wisdom.... application is not restrictive in nature; it could be in the process or at the end point... my value of 2 can make 4 become 6 to A's pleasure, but can also make 4 become 2 for B's pleasure at the expense of A... you can't always be the wise one(there's something called perspective..and we all have it with none necessarily superior to the other)

I'm sure someday someone might look at this ur post ehn, watch some latvian rateliai dance and call it primitive and shallow minded......maybe in 2027.

Vinshu:


You see, culture itself is illiterate. Who created the culture? Illiterate ancient perverted men in the 16th Century way back. How would full grown adults who will call them selves virtuous women strip half unclad in the name of culture? In 2016?

It's a primitive shallow minded person that does that. It's one thing to know 1 + 1 = 2 it's another thing to know when you apply 1 + 1 = 2. Wisdom is not the same as knowledge.

They may have knowledge with their Bsc and PhD but lack wisdom. An illiterate lacks wisdom.

So again it's illiteracy