somal:

if thats the case why do somalis call black jarrer which means nappy hair?

lol at 85 percent. Some might not have very soft hair but their hair is nothing like negroids with nappy hair.

even knaan whose hair is not like majority of somalis, has hair that is way nicer than negroids

no negroid hair can grow as long as knaans, and his hair is not even soft. he doesnt have the hair of majority of somalis.

heck black women cant even grow their hair that long.

Not interested Somal,

The women in my family all have natural hair past shoulder length and they are black.

So what are you talking about??

somal:

that is very very rare, cause the somalis i know all have soft and curly hair. but then again you cant take the 1 percent of white people with big nose and say all whites have big nose.

It's not as rare as you are making out. About 85% of Somalis
I have seen have soft hair. But quite a few have quite tight hair like other Africans.

Anyway it matters not you have made your point you don't like black people.

Time to move on.

somal:

This guy could not pass for somali, look at his hair, Also tutsi originally came from the horn of africa, maybe some oromo or lost somalis. But obviously they are not negroid at all.

so your point is invalid. Lol at kenyans looking like somalis. Anyone can be kenyan its a nationality, but somali is an ethnicity.

There are Somalis with tight hair also, didn't you know? I went to college with some of them who had tight hair like Kagame

somal:

thats because all of north kenya is somali, and 3 million somalis live in kenya. Ask any kenyan if they look somali. I cant tell the difference between kenyans and west africans


Look at all these somali presidents and prime ministers. Find any kenyan that looks like them.

Paul Kagame Rwandan President could pass for Somali

somal:

Somalis are hamitic. We speak a cushitic language and so do ethiopians who speak cushitic and semetic langauges, both cushitic and semetic langauge are part of the afroasiatic langauge group like arabic and hebrew.

By your logic you should claim indians, maldives, drividans. There has not been any kingdom where somalis/ethiopians shared power with negroids.

Even our dna shows half is shared with arabs, berbers. It only makes you look good to claim horners, as then the image of africans not having complex socieites and empires is put to rest.

but even white anthropologist can see that according to language group, facial features, customs and practices we are not negroid.

but then again negroids will claim anything because of their inferiority complex.

just look at this picture of a somali woman, and nigerian women taken at the same time in history. You guys didnt even have clothes on.

I must say you guys benefited by slavery as now you can wear clothes.

It is obvious East and West African People have different genetics. Why Not show some pictures of the Rwandan Tutsi?
Also many Kenyans resemble Somali People.

To be honest I don't care for Somali people. It is no benefit to me if they are black or not!

somal:


everyone is not a mix of black and white you slowpoke. by that logic what are asians, arabs, mexicans, and whites or blacks.

our langauage proves we have nothing to do with you negroids, our skin color is simply because we are near the equator.

Oh really? So please explain why Somali's seem to resemble other BLACK/Africans in that region?
You think because your forehead is high and you have rotten buck teeth that you are not black?

django1:

That is the guy's trademark, he could claim anything and eveything if you let him.

He once claimed a yoruba sub-group as one of thiers.

I find all a little funny how people in this day and age can be so tribal.

kwame tut: @Jav
In SA we have lived with YORUBAS and can tell u theyr nice hardworking people who get on with busness without making noise.

South African of Yoruba ancestry and his SA friends came to Lagos and DOMINATED.

I have noticed, that Yoruba's don't Brag just like you said.

You see my problem only started when Bigfrancis21 began to claim almost every aspect of Jamaican culture as IGBO.

They certainly made their mark, but they the Ashanti also did too; both linguistically and culturally.

Many Jamaicans today still look like Ghanaians

The reggae singer I OCTANE does in my opinion.

@ Kwame




You are absolutely correct.


I live in multicultural London, UK I have come to learn the differences between the two tribes.


Yoruba people are more humble in my opinion so I find it easier to relate to them.

@ Kwame, Why do you think Bigfrancis is so angry with me?

Was it something I said?

bigfrancis21: Lol. I cannot be angry over a faceless forum like this where different people of sorts run loosely. Apparently, I'm too arrogant, tribal, fake and a 419ner to relate with. So please mind your business.

Thanks.

Bigfrancis, Why are you offended? You called me names too

This is a Forum it's just entertainment

somal:


you have serious issues, how big your rear end doesnt determine your genes. Somalis are part of the kushitic race along with ethiopians and eritreans. Thats why our language group is same as hebrew, and arabic.

That is why we live on the edge of africa between arabs and negroids.

get a life

You said it yourself you live on the edge of Africa between Arabs and Negroids meaning you are a mixture of BOTH!

Your noses come from the Arabs and your dark skin and your women's BIG Backsides come from Black Africans

bigfrancis21: Why is he talking to me or quoting my post? This is someone who called me fake, with Radoillo, Slimmy and OlderAmerican multiple IDs. I don't remember referring to you or covertly implying anything to you. Please mind your business.

Still angry with me bigfrancis?

bigfrancis21:

Its really pitiable, my brother. Someone's busy flaunting South Africa as if majority of the country's great development and looks today were done by black south africans. South Africa used to be majorly a caucasoid state until just recently that blacks took over. Yet he's celebrating a predominantly white achievement when his ancestors didn't contribute much to the country's growth today.

Nigeria may still be behind but at least whatever we achieved today, and wherever we are today were solely by our efforts and hardwork - a purely black effort. Nollywood is an example of a black achievement gone worldwide. Nollywood movies are watched all over Nigeria, Ghana, Togo, Benin republic, South Africa, Africa as a whole, and worldwide. It currently ranks third in the world, behind Hollywood and Bollywood of India. I don't see any other African country movies getting the widespread attention and movie views as Nollywood. Nollywood being purely an Igbo empire has effectively been used to spread the Igbo culture and customs around the world. Nollywood movies are well-watched in Central and South Americas where Carribean folks love to watch them as it serves to remind them of life and environment in their African or Igbo ancestral homeland. I've encountered many Jamaican folks who professed their love for Nollywood movies.

Nigeria is great. Despite all its shortcomings, it has still remained the Giant of Africa. I wonder why South Africa wasn't given that title if it was so magnificient as being lobbied.

We all need to stop being divided. One AFRICA. We are all Africans

africa-down:


you have serious issues. Somalis speak afro asiatic language, not niger congo or bantu language.

our women are actually women and feminent, while your women look like men with wigs.

I live Multicultural London, and I see Somali women every day, and I will tell you again they have MASSIVE BOTTOMS,
I don't care what language family they come from. They are related to other Africans, If they were Caucasian their bottoms would be
flat as a pancake!

Mrs.Chima:
How do you say fake azz nigga in Patosi?

Nigga is often pronounced "NEIGHGA" by Jamaicans! Example: Dirty nigga = "DUTTY NEIGHGA"

Their women have massive behinds, so there has to black/African blood in them somewhere!

kwame tut: @Jav
THEIR TRIBALISM EVEN HAPPENS OUTSIDE naaigeria. In Cape Town we watched naaigerians fighting each other at the PARADE MARKET.

The other chaps were Ogonis,Ejaghams,Yorubas etc..were all seating together like real homeboys. While TRIBALIST IGBOS were ganging together on the other part of the market.

Everyone was suprised to see naai-gerians wanting to kill each other in foreign land. In Joburg its worse there was a case where one guy was killed over SA woman.

Their TRIBALISM IS WORSE EVEN AMONG IGBOS , THE IGBOS OF THE WEST,EAST,CENTRAL etc..HAVE BEEF WITH EACH OTHER. Crazy 16th century staff.

In foreign land Igbos of the same VILLAGE FLOCK TOGETHER.

Tell me about it.

A few years ago I attended a wedding in Barbados and I heard the minister having a bit of a rant, saying how much he hated Nigerians.
There was a small crowd of us listening to him. We were all wondering what the reason was.

So he told us that he used to live and work in England at his work place there were very few blacks at the time.
He went on to say how the Nigerians used to talk to him and they got on quite well. But after a while as more Nigerians got jobs at his work place, suddenly they would no longer talk to him anymore and became very clannish and left him out!

bigfrancis21:

@Bold...thank you Slim.

Here is the evidence that you people are tribal


It's Time to Face the Whole Truth About the Atlantic Slave Trade



[/b]





by Sheldon M. Stern
Mr. Stern taught African American history at the college level for a decade before becoming historian at the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum (1977–1999)—where he designed the museum’s first civil rights exhibit. He is the author of Averting ‘the Final Failure’: John F. Kennedy and the Secret Cuban Missile Crisis Meetings (2003), and The Week the World Stood Still: Inside the Secret Cuban Missile Crisis (2005).



“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
Aldous Huxley, Proper Studies, 1927


On June 21, 2007, the Freedom Schooner Amistad began an 18-month “Atlantic Freedom Tour” to retrace the route of the Atlantic slave trade. Owned and operated by AMISTAD America, Inc., the recreated Amistad will visit ports in Canada, England, the United States and West Africa to commemorate the story of the 1839 Amistad revolt and to mark the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the international slave trade in England (1807) and the U.S. (1808). AMISTAD America is an educational organization committed to:


improved relationships between races and cultures by acknowledging our common experiences and encouraging dialogue that is based upon respect. … the re-created Amistad…serves as a floating classroom, icon and as a monument to the millions of souls that were broken or lost as a result of the insidious Transatlantic Slave Trade. The vessel offers an important message for all Americans about our collective history and future.1

The AMISTAD America website stresses the need to educate the public about the history of slavery “through common experiences and dialogue.” By “confronting the past” and promoting “reconciliation and social healing” the Amistad’s Atlantic Freedom Tour aims to help all people work toward “transforming the future.”

However, confronting the history of the Atlantic slave trade requires more than a sentence acknowledging that the Amistad prisoners “had been captured in Africa by Africans who sold them to European slave traders.” Website readers must understand that this terrible traffic in millions of human beings had been, as affirmed by the PBS Africans in America series, a joint venture: “During this era, Africans and Europeans stood together as equals, companions in commerce and profit. Kings exchanged respectful letters across color lines and addressed each other as colleagues. Natives of the two continents were tied into a common economy.”2

Incomplete depictions of the Atlantic slave trade are, in fact, quite common. My 2003 study of 49 state U.S. history standards revealed that not one of these guides to classroom content even mentioned the key role of Africans in supplying the Atlantic slave trade.3 In Africa itself, however, the slave trade is remembered quite differently. Nigerians, for example, explicitly teach about their own role in the trade:


Where did the supply of slaves come from? First, the Portuguese themselves kidnapped some Africans. [b]But the bulk of the supply came from the Nigerians. These Nigerian middlemen moved to the interior where they captured other Nigerians who belonged to other communities. The middlemen also purchased many of the slaves from the people in the interior . . . . Many Nigerian middlemen began to depend totally on the slave trade and neglected every other business and occupation. The result was that when the trade was abolished [by England in 1807] these Nigerians began to protest. As years went by and the trade collapsed such Nigerians lost their sources of income and became impoverished. 4

[/b]In Ghana, politician and educator Samuel Sulemana Fuseini has acknowledged that his Asante ancestors accumulated their great wealth by abducting, capturing, and kidnapping Africans and selling them as slaves. Likewise, Ghanaian diplomat Kofi Awoonor has written: “I believe there is a great psychic shadow over Africa, and it has much to do with our guilt and denial of our role in the slave trade. We too are blameworthy in what was essentially one of the most heinous crimes in human history.”5

In 2000, at an observance attended by delegates from several European countries and the United States, officials from Benin publicized President Mathieu Kerekou’s apology for his country’s role in “selling fellow Africans by the millions to white slave traders.” “We cry for forgiveness and reconciliation,” said Luc Gnacadja, Benin’s minister of environment and housing. Cyrille Oguin, Benin’s ambassador to the United States, acknowledged, “We share in the responsibility for this terrible human tragedy.” 6

A year later, Senegal’s president Abdoulaye Wade, “himself the descendant of generations of slave-owning [and slave-trading] African kings,” urged Europeans, Americans, and Africans to acknowledge publicly and teach openly about their shared responsibility for the Atlantic slave trade. 7 Wade’s remarks came months after the release of Adanggaman, by Ivory Coast director Roger Gnoan M’bala, “the first African film to look at African involvement in the slave trade with the West.” “It’s up to us,” M’Bala insisted, “to talk about slavery, open the wounds of what we’ve always hidden and stop being puerile when we put responsibility on others . . . . [b]In our own oral tradition, slavery is left out purposefully because Africans are ashamed when we confront slavery. Let’s wake up and look at ourselves through our own image.”8 “It is simply true,” [/b]declared Da Bourdia Leon of Burkina Faso’s Ministry of Culture and Art, “We need this kind of film to show our children this part of our history, that it happened among us. Although I feel sad, I think it is good that this kind of thing is being told today.”9

Several television productions of the last decade have acknowledged these facts: Africans in America (PBS, 1998), Wonders of the African World (PBS, 1999), and The African Trade (History Channel International, 2000). The latter begins with the visit by a group of African-Americans to the infamous slave castle and Door of No Return on Goree Island off the coast of Senegal. “Appalled by the cruelties of the Europeans,” the narrator relates, “the visitors become curious as to how Africans fell into their hands.” Their African guide admits that “this history is difficult to tell and hard to believe” but pulls no punches about African complicity in kidnapping and selling millions of African people: “All the tribes were involved in the slave trade—no exemptions.” The African-Americans were staggered: “So we really can’t blame the Europeans,” one declares, “We sold our own. It takes two.” Another visitor declares, “That’s right—money and greed.” The program concludes that “white guilt can never be erased”—but cautions that it is also important to remember that “black participation lets no one off the hook.”

The historical record is incontrovertible—as documented in the PBS Africans in America series companion book:


The white man did not introduce slavery to Africa . . . . And by the fifteenth century, men with dark skin had become quite comfortable with the concept of man as property . . . . Long before the arrival of Europeans on West Africa’s coast, the two continents shared a common acceptance of slavery as an unavoidable and necessary—perhaps even desirable—fact of existence. The commerce between the two continents, as tragic as it would become, developed upon familiar territory. Slavery was not a twisted European manipulation, although Europe capitalized on a mutual understanding and greedily expanded the slave trade into what would become a horrific enterprise . . . . It was a thunder that had no sound. Tribe stalked tribe, and eventually more than 20 million Africans would be kidnapped in their own homeland. 10

Historians estimate that ten million of these abducted Africans “never even made it to the slave ships. Most died on the march to the sea”—still chained, yoked, and shackled by their African captors—before they ever laid eyes on a white slave trader. 11 The survivors were either purchased by European slave dealers or “instantly beheaded” by the African traders “in sight of the [slave ship] captain” if they could not be sold.12 Of course, the even more horrific and inhuman middle passage—the voyage of a European (and later American) slave ship from Africa to the Western Hemisphere—still lay before those who had survived the forced trek to the coast.

Failure to educate young Americans about the whole story of Atlantic slave trade threatens to divide our nation and undermine our civic unity and belief in the historical legitimacy of our democratic institutions. Education in a democracy cannot promote half-truths about history without undermining the ideal of e pluribus unum—one from many—and substituting a divisive emphasis on many from one. The history of the slave trade proves that virtually everyone participated and profited—whites and blacks; Christians, Muslims, and Jews; Europeans, Africans, Americans, and Latin Americans. Once we recognize the shared historical responsibility for the Atlantic slave trade, we can turn our attention to “transforming the future” by eradicating its corrosive legacy.

No one is well served when “old myths of African barbarism” are replaced by “new myths of African innocence.”13 There are some encouraging signs. A recent middle school textbook, for example, tries to explain—


how Africans could have sold other Africans into slavery. [/b]The answer is that [African] slaveholders didn't think of themselves or their slaves as 'Africans.'[b] Instead they thought of themselves as Edo or Songhai or members of another group. They thought of their slaves as foreigners or inferiors. In the same way, the Spanish, the French, and the English could massacre each other in bloody wars because they thought of themselves as Spanish, French, or English, rather than Europeans.14


Similar candor can also be found in a current college textbook co-authored by three African-American historians. Europeans and eventually Americans—


did not capture and enslave people themselves. Instead they purchased slaves from African traders [who]…restricted the Europeans to a few points on the coast, while the kingdoms raided the interior to supply the Europeans with slaves. ... The European traders provided the aggressors with firearms, but they did not instigate the wars. Instead they used the wars to enrich themselves. Sometimes African armies enslaved the inhabitants of conquered towns and villages. At other times, raiding parties captured isolated families or kidnapped individuals. As warfare spread to the interior, captives had to march for hundreds of miles to the coast where European traders awaited them. The raiders tied the captives together with rope or secured them with wooden yokes around their necks. It was a shocking experience, and many captives died from hunger, exhaustion, and exposure during the journey. Others killed themselves rather than submit to their fate, and the captors killed those who resisted.15

A concise version of this textbook prepared for a new required course on African-American history in Philadelphia high schools has retained all of this material—giving these students the opportunity to learn the full story of the Atlantic slave trade.16

It is also encouraging that the AMISTAD America Sankofa College Program courses to be offered during the Amistad’s visits to Sierra Leone and Senegal include study of the “West African slave trade” and “African slavery and the transatlantic slave trade”— presumably to be discussed candidly and accurately. Only by facing the whole truth can we free ourselves from the burden of our shared, tragic past and reinvigorate our commitment to what AMISTAD America rightly calls, “our collective history and future.” As Martin Luther King, Jr. dared to dream at the 1963 March on Washington, we can then join hands and affirm together in the words of the African-American spiritual: “Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”

Source:http://hnn.us/article/41431






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kk5iXZFaCQ

slimmy05: Don't tell me you that dumb. You've been following the thread and secretely reading Bigfrancis thread aswell that made frontpage. Keep reading and stop being a rude kid and am sure you'll learn better.

It's a legitimate question or just admit you don't know the answer

slimmy05: Its not for lazy ass. You don't have the blood and even if you go for Transfusion, you still cannot survive the hurdles. Igbos!! We are simply unique.

What hurdles did you Igbos go through?

slimmy05: Now I see where the jealousy is coming from. Francis, ignore this jealous ignorant psycho who can't even grasp the title of a thread before commenting and also his sick brother kwame, who can't even write coherent and grammatical statements. The nitwit just jumps into a thread with all this googled articles and starts derailing the thread. You guys need to take your meds, its long overdue

Yes how did you know that I am Jealous, you are a very intelligent person. What can I do to become part of the Igbo club?

bigfrancis21:

@Bold...thank you Slim.

You are one and the same, Francis no need to thank yourself!!!

slimmy05: You are derailing the thread. Stop being jealous of the Igbos. If you can read the title of the thread properly you won't come here saying rubbish. He is concerned about the Igbo's, so what's your headache in that?

What is there to be jealous of if you all are trying to claim us diaspora blacks?!

slimmy05: I guess that's eating you up badly. He's passionate about his people and your here calling him tribal. Bigfrancisn, bring it on, I'm enjoying these researches.

I don't see how it's eating me up, after all I am not the one trying to prove a connection!

African Americans generally are not concerned with tribes, they are descended from many tribes,

Or don't tell me you didn't know?

bigfrancis21: Pasting all these extraneous facts doesn't change anything neither does it add to the wealth of information we already know. Records indicate that Bight of Biafra(Eboe particularly) dominated Maryland and Virginia, and sprinkles of Eboes were also found in Louisiana, South carolina, Georgia, New York, Kentucky. Many authors agree on this. So coming here to post irrelevant facts doesn't change anything. Even the so-called pasted facts still confirms the same thing other authors agree on. Little wonder the State of Virginia decided to erect a full Igbo Village in Staunton, Virginia, in memory of the huge role Igbo slaves played in Virginia. Igbo Nsibidi writings have been discovered on former graveyards of slaves in Virginia which also strongly attests to the huge Igbo presence. At a point, Eboes dominated Virginia so much that Virginia was nicknamed, 'New Eboeland'. The state of Maryland has also confirmed that the Igbo people particularly dominated in Maryland.

The Eboes didn't just force themselves on ships and forced themselves to US and Caribbean. Instead, the whites kept coming back and back to Bight of Biafra looking for more Eboe slaves. Despite being suicidal and rebellious, they couldn't do without the Eboes as they valued their industry, strength, well-formed physical nature, knowledge about agriculture etc and hence kept sailing out in the Atlantic Ocean heading for Ports of Bonny and Calabar in purchase of more Eboes. Their strength made them to be used as field slaves to work in fields - a job of which physical exertion, drudgery and body strength were required. Field jobs definitely wasn't for the physically weak. You had to be strong physically in order to be sent out to the fields. Ethnicities whose physical attributes were not suitable enough for field jobs were employed as house servants instead.

DNA testing remains the major proof of the huge Igbo contribution to the transatlantic slave trade. And DNA testing has continued to prove Dr. Chambers Douglas reseach conclusion, 'At least 60% of African Americans have at least 1 Igbo ancestor' right. DNA testing is very efficient and I'm very much in support of it.

Several slave accounts written by former Eboe slaves exists. Eboes such as Olaudah Ekwuano, Monteith Aniaso, Nwoma Ofodobendu etc have all written their slave acccounts. Below is a slave account of an Eboe slave and his slave life in the state of Georgia.

SLAVE LIFE IN GEORGIA:
A NARRATIVE OF THE LIFE, SUFFERINGS, AND ESCAPE OF JOHN BROWN, A Fugitive Slave,
NOW IN ENGLAND.

CHAPTER I.
MY CHILDHOOD AND FIRST TROUBLES.
My name is John Brown. How I came to take it, I will explain in due time. When in Slavery, I was called Fed. Why I was so named, I cannot tell. I never knew myself by any other name, nor always by that; for it is common for slaves to answer to any name, as it may suit the humour of the master. I do not know
how old I am, but think I may be any age between thirty-five and forty. I fancy I must be about thirty-seven or eight; as nearly as I can guess. I was raised on Betty Moore's estate, in Southampton County, Virginia, about three miles from Jerusalem Court house and the little Nottoway river. My mother belonged to Betty Moore. Her name was Nancy; but she was called Nanny. My father's name was Joe. He was owned by a planter named Benford, who lived at Northampton, in the same State. I believe my father
and his family were bred on Benford's plantation. His father had been stolen from Africa. He was of the Eboe tribe. I remember seeing him once, when he came to visit my mother. He was very black. I never saw him but that one time, and though I was quite small, I have a distinct recollection of him. He
and my mother were separated, in consequence of his master's going further off, and then my mother was forced to take another husband. She had three children by my father; myself, and a brother and sister, twins. My brother's name was Silas, and my
sister's Lucy. My mother's second husband's name was Lamb. He was the property of a neighbouring planter and miller named Collier.

http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/jbrown/jbrown.html

Why are you so passionate about this Bigfrancis21?

Why does it matter to you?

What's happening everyone?

Where is the King? Can someone tell me

ALL HAIL BIGFRANCIS21 KING OF THE IGBO'S!!!!!

Mrs.Chima:


You know damn well everyone is Igbo even the White folks!

I did see a Russian woman with blonde hair that looks Igbo.

Tell me about it

With so many of them worldwide they need a King to govern them

What about Bigfrancis?

A few of them look African American

*Kails*:


bwoy yuh betta piss an go a yuh bed
bout nyam crotches. but yuh bright!

yuh n'ave nuh ooman? A suh it a guh ina di UK?
di gyal dem get scarce?



but a WEDDI!
is how yuh can lust affa smaddy yuh neva see, sah?




yeah. yardie dem dun know seh kartel wan big ediat, a poppyshow datl.
a juss gimmicks and a bag a hype.

put it this way, if dancehall was a forum..he was just trolling.
i never took his beef with bounty serious. is seek him did seek attention.



i feel you.
right ya now a wan Jamaican forum mi a pree.
We need another planetjamrock. that site was OFF THE CHARTS!

The dudes were mad thirsty but it was all good same way.

#goodmemories

Nuh watch nuten yah Kalis, Ah truble mi truble yu


Mi nuh see yu, but mi can imagine nuh true?


Yu right we need fi we owna yard ting!

Mi soon cum offa dis yah chupid forum, yu see mi

*Kails*:


is how yuh suh renk?
lol where are your manners sir?

btw you listen to dancehall?
right now i am listening to some epic diss tracks

ever hear this one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZwOxBYN2kI


kartel went IN on Bounty

Mi nuh mus renk and full ah argument?!


Cause mi ah beg yu fi yu mek mi nyammi sweet cratchis and it look like seh yu no want fi gimme!

Ah yu fi teach me respect.

But ah tru sey mi a lust after yu ennuh


Mi dun leggo dem deh warboat sing ting.

Ah Bounty Buss Kartel!


See how dem ungrateful ee man?

Jah know

Mi deh pon a cultural vibe right yah now.

Awoh