Mrs.Chima:


Listen to your lonely man Big Fool! He wants your attention and spend more time offline with him.

Go suck your man...he sounds frustrated and lonely.

They are all one and the same person, so technically Francis would have to suck himself, I sure hope he's flexible!

Mrs.Chima:


I take that back Jay...Robin came to defend his battyman....so two of them wear the helmet!

A whole lot of helmet wearing MUTHER F*C.K.E.R.Z IN HERE!!

Mrs.Chima:


Aww BigFool brought his gayman online!

Jay...clench your azz!

We're under attack! HELP!

We're about to be sold into slavery all over again!!

Mrs.Chima:


I know Igbos have distinct looks but no way he will be able to fool the embassy photographically.

He is prolly the only Igbo with a Jerry Lewis helmet.

bigfrancis21:

Why are you scared of dropping the real details here? Let me see if smarter Africans who stumble on this thread won't rip you off your saved government assistance dollars.

That's my real account number, I am trying to help you out my Igbo Brother

slimmy05: Dude, you're being childish for saying such about bigfrancis. You don't even know him. You're acting like a little girl. I think you need a tampon.

Yes and when I've finished with it I'll stick it in your mouth!

Mrs.Chima:


He said he is in America and studying in Maryland.

We can be all we want online!

First he will have to drain my bank account of funds for his student visa

If his visa application is refused he will reapply under a different name

bigfrancis21:

What??

Madam, you had better shut it! Your crass ignorance is appalling!

Bigfrancis21 Here are my account details


SORT CODE 123456 ACCOUNT NO: 87654321

Radoillo: Wow. I thought I was having fun discussing what I enjoy most. History and linguistics. Didn't know all along someone whose contributions I have really enjoyed thought I was a fake. Not to mention jobless...

Have a good evening Francis

bigfrancis21:

He has even turned around and started claiming you to be me!

Honestly, up until now I took Jay to be an objective person. Despite the few front-and-back arguments we've had in the past, I didn't resort to calling him names. He suddenly started showing us the other side of him. I never knew he was like this. What suddenly came over him?

You are enjoying this too much, you are doing this for FUN !

Radoillo:

You are better than Kwame. I think you are too smart for this. That quote up there comes across like ethnic stereotyping. Not cool. I wonder how we can be commenting on this thread, at the same time if we are the same person.

How? Quite easily. One way is to use two computers with different log in details!

bigfrancis21: Look at him denying. You just called me a fool and a liar! Nice of you! All in the bid to win the internet battle.

Look who claims he has Igbo ancestry calling his fellow Igbo brother arrogant, tribalist, stupid, a fool and a liar.

If I remember clearly, i've not said one derogatory term towards you despite all he false claims you've made and the mistakes you've made. Here you are already calling me 5 of them. Keep them coming.



Anybody with a simple grasp of English knows that there are implied statements in English language.

From the bolded, its clear YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE MEANING OF RACISM and here you are trying so hard to deny what you claimed. Resorting to the use of profanity just to deny yourself.

You are not making sense Bigfrancis21. You are trying to tell RIDDLES to make yourself look wise but the reverse is TRUE

English is my first language, lets not concern ourselves of (what you say) is implied but on rather what was written which was a reference to what black Africans experience in Israel which is RACISM.


If what they are experience is not RACISM can you please tell me what it is MR ARROGANT IGBO??



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zPSO4REesc

bigfrancis21:

Direct that to your Barbadian brother. Don't act like you didn't see his post below:


@Bold...my dear how can you say there is racism between africans and african americans who, the last time I checked, are both blacks?
How can a black be a racist to another black? Have you forgotten what race is and what racism also is?

Have you now resorted to making up incorrect statements just to back up your already weakened point-of-view, just like Kails?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FOOL


Please read the BOLD AGAIN DUMMY

Nice try LIAR

My previous post describes racism Against Blacks by ISREALI JEWS

Not Black on Black Discrimination!!!!





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwvGHY1nAI


Try Again

Radoillo:

I don't get it. A few short hours ago, you both were really getting along.

Talk to BigFrancis21 If you and him are not one and the same person

bigfrancis21:

He just finished calling me a tribalist. Now he calls me arrogant!

@Bold...tell me why won't I ask you what that word means when you don't know the simple meaning of racism where you claimed that Africans are racists to African Americans, both groups of which the last time I checked are both blacks



ITS VERY CLEAR YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE MEANING OF RACISM. HERE YOU ARE AGAIN USING 'TRIBALISM' WRONGLY.

NOW WHEN HAS A SIMPLE QUESTION BECOME ARROGANCE??

DON'T TELL ME YOU'RE OFFENDED BY JUST THAT SIMPLE QUESTION??

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? THAT TRIBALISM CAUSED THE SLAVE TRADE? OMG!!!!

Now you have proven your stupidity Francis.


Can all viewers of this topic search to find if I said that Africans are RACIST against African Americans.


The word RACIST simply was not used by me.

I only was honest enough to say some African Blacks DO NOT ACCEPT AFRICAN AMERICANS.


It was Francis who tried to twist my words and it was him who dropped in the word RACISM.

Because he knows he has obviously lost this argument, he is trying his best to wriggle out of it! PATHETIC

I have no need to use the word RACISM when AFRICAN AMERICANS and NATIVE AFRICANS are of the same race
however they are culturally different. Because of this sometimes they discriminate against each other.


Now lets see if Bigfrancis21 will try to twist the word discrimination to suit his own purposes.

He thinks he is the only person who knows what Racism, tribalism and Genetic crossover means!


AROGANCE!!!

bigfrancis21:

Yea sure. You ride the fence real good. Ms. Fula was right about that.

Exactly. I wrote an article pointing out the heroic strength of those Igbo AAs who found themselves in perilous times but yet made it despite all odds. I saw the modern Igbo characteristics clearly playing out in their lives and decided to extol their bravery. I am Igbo. Yea. A proud one for that matter. If I decide to support the Igbo cause does that make me tribalistic? Do you know what that even means?

My article should serve as a stimulus to you to write about AAs of other ancestry who back then during slavery displayed characteristics known of them now. I enjoin you to do the same.

As for the welfare part, I wasn't wrong about that. Even two AA sisters admitted to it and I pointed out clearly that that was pure laziness. One has to be up and doing in life. I then used Africans in US to compare to AAs to buttress my point and show you what I meant.

As for the AA non-contribution to science, I never said anything like that. You're clearly accusing me of something I never said. And yea, I did say that over 90% of US development came from non-blacks and I wasn't wrong about that. You were bragging about flag creation by one Marcus Garvey to which I replied that its not that much of an achievement to brag about. I clearly remember asking you, 'why don't we try something scientific?' I clearly wanted you people to show me the stuff you're made of. Read to understand, rather than twist facts.

You sure have a truck load of wrong statements and accusations which you've made. I still remember them clearly.

I was rather expecting you to quote my posts. Instead you came up with pretty accusations.

Deny the facts all you like Bigfrancis 21, If anyone can be bothered to go through the posts they will find what I am talking about.

I notice you keep asking me stupid questions like " Do you know what this means?"


There is a word for it ARROGANCE.

These are among the traits and reasons why MANY JAMAICANS do not want to identify with Nigerians and will more readily accept Ghanaians!

And please don't deny the part about you saying that African American did not contribute anything to Science you are making yourself look stupid.


OR DID YOU JUST DELETE THAT PART??

If you had been bothered enough to read up properly about Marcus Garvey you would have discovered that 20 African Nations based their Flags from the UNIA design in admiration for Garvey.

That should tell you that he must have made notable achievements!

Garvey was not a Flag designer he was rather a Political leader who cared for the welfare of all descendants of Africa and not only IGBO people

The fact that you think he was a flag designer highlights your ignorance

I am not going to waste my time going through your posts to quote them, everyone who is following knows what you have written.

It was this same tribalism which caused the slave trade

Mrs.Chima:
Bless your heart Jay.

Thank you

bigfrancis21:

Funny guy. You want to start an argument, the same very argument you called useless.

Entertain yourself.

You are tribal Bigfrancis21 and you know it!


I notice how you did not deny anything what I just said there


If I were Igbo you and I could be friends, but because I am not I will have to run away for my own safety!

bigfrancis21: @Jayvarley

Show me how I have promoted tribalism?

Can you please quote those my posts let me see?

The fact that you and I don't agree on the origin of Obeah doesn't suddenly mean I'm tribalistic or trying to claim everything. That we don't agree doesn't mean you're right that its of Akan origin therefore I'm trying to claim something of another origin. I could be wrong myself. And you could be wrong yourself too.

Authors too are divided on the issue. Those foreign authors that support the Igbo origins, are they tribalistic?

Moreover you're bringing up past argument on Barbados which you yourself claimed were useless argument. Why bringing them up now?

I see your accusations as baseless.

Or maybe you're trying to remain 'balanced' in your views. Supporting me and then suddenly accusing me isn't the way to show you're balanced in your views. Or I'd rather call it riding on the fence. Its totally childish.

Riding the fence huh? Using Kalis terminology now are we? How original!

Remember when you made derogatory comment to Kalis regarding the Fulani.

I have not forgotten any of the things you have said.

Also you made reference to a few notable African Americans of Igbo descent and say the "IGBO are HARDWORKING"

As if only IGBO people are hard working!!

Apart from that you have said that African Americans are lazy and depend on welfare.

Remember when you when you said that African Americans have contributed nothing to science??

In your view the only good African American is an IGBO AFRICAN AMERICAN!

It is things like that which you have said which make me know you are tribal.

bigfrancis21:

I was only pointing out my views and you said I'm trying to claim anything. How do you mean? Did I write all those myself? Did I author the websites and books what said the same thing? Lol

You said before that the title of this thread is Nigerian(Igbo) and African American, that everything pertaining to the Igbo contribution to the slave trade is discussed here, right? Why turning around and saying we like to claim everything? Lmao.

Nobody is claiming anything. Relax, ok?

Yes Bigfrancis21

I know the title of this post but I will not go too crazy and start telling lies to support the Igbo People.

Some of you are claiming things that are from OTHER AFRICAN TRIBES/NATIONS


The Igbo have made your contributions, be happy with it, but please don't go overboard!!



Because I descend from the Jamaican population I can clearly tell you of the strong Ashanti influence on my people.


I feel that you are too promoting too much tribalism!


The reason I say so is because of things you have said in previous posts.



African Americans and Caribbean people cannot afford to be into tribalism because we are descended from many African tribes so
we have to accept them all!


I told you the other day that in Barbados people do not claim tribe but simply see each other was Barbadians
and NOT as IGBO or YORUBA etc.



Whereas in Nigeria an Igbo can freely say he does not like people who are Yoruba or Fulani!


I just didn't like the fact that IGBO'S are claiming aspects of Jamaica's culture that came from the AKAN.

Radoillo: When I say 'that's not the way I see it', I meant that I don't see Jamaica as an extention of Igboland.

Ok

bigfrancis21:

I get your point. But you do know that when linguists try to link the origin of a word to a language, they don't just consider the spelling but also contextual meaning, right? How does Obeah(Pronounced Obia) relate more to Obeah(Akan for Woman) rather than Obia(Igbo for Native doctoring)?

Don't you think that linguists have weighed all sides and options of Obia(Igbo) and Obeah(Akan:Woman) in entirety of both their spellings and meanings before finally pronouncing their final judgment?

The modern Jamaican Obeah practice is a mix of Congo, Akan and Igbo practices while the name itself has been said to have come from Igbo 'Obia'. Maybe you're mispronouncing the Igbo 'Obia' but it is pronounced exactly the same way Obeah is pronounced natively in Jamaica, the only difference being the spelling, of course.

Obeah's pronunciation doesn't sound like Obayifo, right?

Of course but I find it a little funny that Igbo's are wanting to claim EVERYTHING!


JAMAICA IS NOT IGBOLAND!!!

I have accepted Igbo the contribution to Jamaica but I WILL NOT accept that everything came from the IGBO

That is Simply NOT TRUE

If you research history books on Jamaica and Obeah/Myalism you will definitely find there is a stronger Ashanti/Ghanaian Influence


Nanny of the Maroons, a Jamaican national Hero [/b]was often referred to as the [b]OLD OBEAH WOMAN.

She was known to use her spiritual powers against the oppressors

Nanny was born c. 1686 in Ghana, Western Africa, into the[b] Ashanti tribe[/b], and was brought to Jamaica as a slave.


Nanny and her brothers became folk heroes. Her most famous brother, Cudjoe, went on to lead several slave rebellions in Jamaica with the aid of her other brothers.

Leadership and Obeah

Many in her community attributed Nanny's leadership skills to her Obeah powers (Campbell). Obeah is an African derived religion that is still practiced in Suriname, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Guyana, Barbados, Belize and other Caribbean countries. It is associated with both good and bad magic, charms, luck, and with mysticism in general. In some Caribbean nations, aspects of Obeah have survived through synthesis with Christian symbolism and practice introduced by European colonials and slave owners.

It is also likely that Nanny's leadership skills resulted from her tribe of origin, Ashanti, known for its strong resistance to Europeans in West Africa and the New World. As well, she was heavily influenced by her brothers and other Maroons in Jamaica.

It is also known that Nanny possessed wide knowledge of herbs and other traditional healing methods, practiced by Africans and native islanders. This would have allowed her to serve as a physical and spiritual healer to her community, which in turn would elevate her status and esteem




The Maroons were the only people who remained free throughout the period of slavery



The Maroons mainly consisted of people from the Akan region of West Africa.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_of_the_Maroons


When a tribe manages to remain free more of their culture will REMAIN INTACT!

Radoillo:


I think ideas and institutions from Africa met and mixed in the New World. Many of the Jamaican obeah men whose names are known appear to be of Akan origin. Linguistically though, obeah seems to be closer to obia than to obayifo. Probably both akan and igbo 'fetishisms' met in Jamaica and mixed insensibly, and the resulting 'creolized' magical system retained a name of igbo origin, but was heavily 'Akanized' in other things.

Even the voodooism of Haiti which is believed to originate from the Fon people shows traces of mixing with Yoruba and Igbo practices.

In Cuba, the Abakua society originated from the Ibibio people, yet some of the incantations contain Igbo words and phrases.

Mixing.

"Obeah" also can be seen as meaning "woman" or a short for "witch woman", and in fact some Akan groups such as the Akuapem and perhaps even the Akwamu do not say "obaa" but rather "obeah" when they refer to "woman".
[/b]

Not saying that there is NO IGBO influence there but there are just certain words in Jamaica that are obviously Akan and remain completely unchanged! I am happy to give examples!

bigfrancis21: ^^^

The Akan did have its own influence on Jamaica. Igbo and Akan are said to be the groups with the most influence in Jamaica.

I agree with you totally on that!

I believe I am composed of a mixture mainly of these two groups!

My keen small features from Igbo Influence and my dark skin from Akan influence!

Will have to do a DNA Test someday!

bigfrancis21:


[b]Obeah also seems to have been confirmed to have Igbo origins.

In the case of Jamaican "Obeah", I would definitely say it is traced back to the Akan slaves.

Some of the greatest Obeah men in Jamaica trace their origin back to the Akan people of Ghana

One of them goes by the name of Joseph of Manchester Jamaica who himself a accepts his Ghanaian Ancestry


Akan "Bayi" and Jamaican "Obeah"
July 2011


"Bayi" is the word for "witchraft" in the Akan language. "Obayifo"/"Abayifo" used in the current Akan language means "person who practices witchcraft". I say this because both words have roots that are associated with witchcraft, one among the Akan in west Africa and the other among Jamaicans in the Caribbean, some of whom are descendants of Akans sent there.

"Obeah" also can be seen as meaning "woman" or a short for "witch woman", and in fact some Akan groups such as the Akuapem and perhaps even the Akwamu do not say "obaa" but rather "obeah" when they refer to "woman".

So the long and short of this is that "obeah" derives from Akans who were sent from west Africa to Jamaica. The structure of Obeah is the same as that of witchcraft practiced in Ghana today.



ARE THE WORDS "BAYI" AND "OBEAH" RELATED?

Question: Could it be that "Obeah" and "Bayi" are actually linked? This seems to be the case. How many people actually know that "Obeah" and "Obeahfo" are the same thing? They both refer to "woman" (see dictionary definitions below).

Christaller's Dictionary (1933: pg. 2):
o-baa, pi. m-, Ak. F. woman, female == obea, o(baa)basia; cf. abaawa. pr.
o-babaa, pi. m-, Ak. F. [oba, child, obaa, woman] daughter = obabea.
ababaa, ababawa, Aky. abayewa, pi. m-, maiden, young woman, married or not, who has not yet given birth to a child; syn. abeafo.


Christaller's Dictionary (1933: pg. 12)
abeafo, pi. m-, a lovely young woman, neatly, nicely dressed.


Source http://www.theakan.com/Akan_bayi__Jamaican_obeah.html

bigfrancis21:

Thanks for reclaiming your ancestral origins. Its really good to have a sense of belonging.

@Bold...I totally concur with that. The identity of Africans in America was forcefully taken away. And the first way that was made to happen was the imposition of foreign names on Africans. One's name is strong evidence of one's origins and once that's taken away, a great part of that person's identity has been erased. If AAs had been allowed to keep their native surnames, you'd probably have had AA families bearing surnames such as Okoro, Chima, Chigozie, Kabongo, Lukema, Afeanyetornye, Domevlo, Sagbata, Ayodele, Olamide, etc.

I have one question to ask. What state in the US is your mother from? Virginia? I'm asking because according to the data below, no slaves from Bight of Benin(Yoruba, Fon, Ewe) were sent to the Chesapeake region(Maryland, Virginia). However, they were sent to Louisiana and South Carolina.

How's that possible?

Some African Americans and Caribbean people change their names back to African names. Do you think African Americans and Caribbean's should still bear their slave names today?

*Kails*:


lol mi cya tek di slimy sittin an di whole heap a seeds

Weh yu ah tell me seh?


Okra gi yuh nuff juice gal!

I don't suppose you like susumba either?

*Kails*:


lol i can't stand okra

How yu mean yu nuh like Okra?

Dem deh ting bill yu up and mek yu breed!

Feeling for some fried fish and okra now!

*Kails*:
@jayvarley,

you are riding the fence too much for my liking bro,
you just ranted about him telling you about your culture, and then when he airs
out kwame you change tunes? lol

the point is the same way, kwame dislikes igbo,
the other guy is trying to igbo wash the cultural heritage we have from other africans.
the title of this thread is one thing, but the actual TOPIC from the OP is NOT what we are discussing.
she is talking about relationships while everyone else is talking about who dominated.

I said from the beginning, NOT ONE GROUP CONTRIBUTED MORE THAN THE OTHER...ALL ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT, and the other guy still had a problem with that. So they - he and kwame, are one in the same as far as their ethnocentrism.

Not a case of riding the fence just don't like people calling up my name when I am not having A discussion with them!

This Kwame fool has been Copying and pasting useless posts for the last two days even though nobody is responding to him!

There is one word for it PATHETIC!!