agaugust:








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Jap i also think its funny Nigeria only has about 12 T72s.

agaugust:
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You say "Our Weblink" ? So an internet encyclopaedia that says it has NO DATA is yours, while you deny South African Defenceweb maganize and called it " Your Own" meaning defenceweb is now a Nigerian source....Patches, this ais a very bad day for South Africa o ! Serious beating early morning into afternoon....you cannot even spell T-72 again...you call it T-70....so so beating up of South Africa today....ah ! Nigeria dey wicked !

I already clarified that SANDF has ONLY 44 units of Olifants with composite armour NOT some damn inflated fraudulent figure of 170 or 220 units you guys want to deceive us with....frauds

"The Olifant Mk.1B (Elephant) is an upgraded variant of the Olifant Mk.1A tank. The Mk.1B was developed as an interim solution. It entered service with South African National Defense Forces in 1991.
About 44 vehicles were upgraded to the Mk.1B standard."

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk1b.htm

SANDF has ONLY 44 tanks with composite armour ....PROVED !


RHA = RHA it's not same as composite armour with ceramics or plastics.

Spacing was done at to the bottom floor of the rank to protect from anti-tank land mines NOT composite armour dude !

"The glacis plate and nose of the hull have been upgraded with the addition of passive armour and the turret has been fitted with stand-off armour. The installation of a double-armour floor gives the crew additional protection against mines. The running gear is protected against HEAT missiles by new sideskirts."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

Your SANDF put extra layer of armour on the floor NOT the hull you fraud !

It's been fun busting you Southies' bubble on Olifant tanks since 3 days ago....Your SANDF has an obsolete tank force


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I will say it again!! We received 44 tanks in 1991, it was the first batch we received, Production carried n throughout the 90s.


Secondly the SANDF owns 266 Tanks P.S it doesnt mean we have all 266 in service, some are obviously in storage:
"The SA Army currently owns up to 266 of the tanks in five variants: the Mk2, Mk1B and Mk1A MBT in addition to about 16 armoured recovery vehicles (ARV) and two armoured bridgelayers (ABL)."
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18165

agaugust:


Even your brother Patrick is laughing at you....

What ever dude!! Your own source states you are receiving less than 16!

Henry120:


Sometimes, you actually need to be practical in your comments. How many countries have or can afford an F-35, operating cost and infrastructure?

Point is, instead of investing in Fighter Jets for CAS, i'll rather pay for more for attack Helicopters in the fleet.

With fighter jets, there are no guarantees that the bomb would hit it's designated target. CAS missions aren't pre-programmed like deep air support missions.

CAS missions require a high level of skill and integration with ground troops, which fighter jets aren't the best suited platform for.

You do know the Gripen C stall speed is about 170 km/h and the Hawk stall speed is about 180 km/h, both of which are about 20-30km/h higher than compared to one of the most Modern COIN/CAS aircraft the Super Tucano, 20km/h is not much if you ask me.

So yes i think a Gripen and Hawk would do decently in COIN warfare compared to other prop propelled CAS aircraft.

agaugust:


Stop asking me to repost old weblinkc that we have repeated here many times, go consult the archives you dummy....wanna cry more delicious tears again my bro ?
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Nigeria bought less than 16 T72s FACT!!

agaugust:


See why I said I hate looking for sources to prove anything to you? You just are not worth the effort....butt hurt whitey southie

Even your own country man Patches says you ARE WRONG !

Uhm.....Go read your source again!! it states that The Czechs sold 58 Tanks to the Excalibur Group, not to Nigeria, provide a source were it states Nigeria bought all 58 Tanks from the excalibur group.

And BTW @Patches689 was being conservative with hes views, he was simply implying that even if Nigeria bought all 58 Tanks(Which Nigeria havnt) from the Excalibur Group its still less than our over 150 MK2 and MK1Bs.

agaugust:


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Seems I am hurting y.ou so much again today.....sweet to see you getting broken down to tears !

You are so hurt you wrote T-70 tank above....not tank called T-70....I hurt y.ou so bad that tears have blinded your eyes and you cannot see clearly to type on your laptop keyboard....your red eyes are now seeing double.....T-70 tanks.....you manufactured those in your bedroom ?

Okay, so after beating y.ou up for 2 days, you have finally agreed that Nigeria has 56 or 58 T-72 tanks....not the 3 or 12 units you were shouting before.....I remember that last year you said Nigeria has 0 T-72 tanks....few months ago you said we have none.....when will you ever stop telling lies Patrick the pirate ?

See, the 58 T-72 tanks in that weblink are the ones from Czech alone.....we bought ERA versions from Ukraine, their numbers are classified and SIPRI says their source is also classified but suspected to be Ukraine by SIPRI.

Now its 58 tanks from Czech by air, and more than double that number from Ukraine.

The Ukrainian T-72 for Nigeria were the first to be posted here, the factory manager in Ukraine was interviewed in the video and he said they are Nigerian T-72 tanks .....

You hate us....we Naijas ? Hate can k.ill a Southie even before we fire T-72 tanks on you....125 mm gun....na killer o !
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Nope you are receiving less than 16 T72s from the Czechs!

patches689:


You dont even know what a tanks snorkel looks like

Dont tell us about being lectured

Wasnt it @Agaugust that said the snorkel of the T72 was a ATGM?

agaugust:


Nope, of the 44 Olifant Mk 1 B, 26 were upgraded to MK 2.....not any extra 26 anywhere.

ALL the SANDF tanks with composite armour is 44 units.....a mix of Mk 1 B and Mk 2 combined.


"In September 2003, BAE Systems Land Systems OMC was awarded a contract to upgrade 13 Olifant Mk 1B tanks. New fire control system and target detection and engagement system with thermal imaging capability. A follow-on contract for a further 13 tanks upgraded to Olifant Mk 2 standard was awarded in September 2005. The Olifant mk2 entered service in 2007." [/b]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

Upgraded 44 Mk 1 A to Mk 1 B....then upgraded 26 Mk 1 B to Mk 2. That makes 44 tanks with composite armour, a mix of Mk 1 B and Mk 2.


Funny how I have to lecture you South Africans about your own army's tanks, yet you say I should prove that I am a military researcher.....you want me to roast you completely like suya meet before you believe me ?
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Jap 44 was the first batch, that we received in 1991, production continued throughout the Nineties!

agaugust:


44 units accurately, I am the lecturer here, I teach South Africans about their country's military equipment....44 units not just under 50, let me help you to know your army better....44 units of Olifant Mk 1 B....that's all SANDF upgraded
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Ok Cool the first batch was 44 in 1991, so what tanks did we produce the rest of the nineties?

jl115again:

Uhm.... did i say we dont have MK1As ? I said we produced over 170 MK1Bs, that doesnt mean we have 170 MK1Bs in service, as i also said before 26 MK1Bs were upgraded to MK2 standard, and some MK1B were scrapped for spares, as i also also said before we have a handful of MK1A used for Training and demonstration, and we even blow some up time to time just for fun: Pic 2 Rooivalk firing at MK1A.

"Development work on the Olifant Mk 1B commenced in 1983, with the first prototype being completed in 1985. Following trials with prototype vehicles by the South African Armoured Corps, the first production Olifant Mk 1B vehicles were completed in early 1991. It is believed that the first production batch of Olifant Mk 1B amounted to just under 50 vehicles. This upgrade programme has now been completed."
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product894.html

We received just under 50 MK1Bs in 1991, Production of the MK1B continued into the mid 90's.

Sorry at Patches689 wrong quote mate!

agaugust:



Nope, you are using a weblink of Olifant Mk 1B to make fraudulent claims of composite and ERA armour, the 177 tanks are a mix of MK 1A and MK 1B....you are a fraud....the old school MK 1A makes up about 80 % of all SANDF tanks and NO reactive armour ERA in SANDF, you have a large fleet of basic welded steel tanks and a few passive armour/composite units.....defenceweb SA proves you wrong :

"South African Army:

Armour

177 Olifant 1A/B (Of which 133 in storage) and 26 Olifant Mk 2 (for training)."

Source : South African National Defence Force ORBAT

Written by defenceWeb, Friday, 01 February 2013.

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Uhm.... did we say we dont have MK1As ? We said we produced over 170 MK1Bs, that doesnt mean we have 170 MK1Bs in service, as i also said before 26 MK1Bs were upgraded to MK2 standard, and some MK1B were scrapped for spares, as i also also said before we have a handful of MK1A used for Training and demonstration, and we even blow some up time to time just for fun: Pic 2 Rooivalk firing at MK1A.

"Development work on the Olifant Mk 1B commenced in 1983, with the first prototype being completed in 1985. Following trials with prototype vehicles by the South African Armoured Corps, the first production Olifant Mk 1B vehicles were completed in early 1991. It is believed that the first production batch of Olifant Mk 1B amounted to just under 50 vehicles. This upgrade programme has now been completed."
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product894.html

We received just under 50 MK1Bs in 1991, Production of the MK1B continued into the mid 90's.

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Sure, I have dealt with it.

172 units of Olifant Mk 1B tanks with basic ordinary steel armour RHA of world war II

Boko Haram RPG HEAT will eat up all SANDF 172 tanks.....cool !

Your source says 224 Olifant MK 1 B tanks were produced, defenceweb says only 177 units of Olifant Mk 1 A and 1 B are in service as at 2013.

So, shall we ban defenceweb from this forum for telling lies about SANDF ORBAT.....because your encyclopaedia is now superior to defenceweb SA ?

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"Your source says 224 Olifant MK 1 B tanks were produced, defenceweb says only 177 units of Olifant Mk 1 A and 1 B are in service as at 2013."
Again!! Just because we produced More than 170 MK1Bs doesnt mean all are in service!! 26 have been upgraded to MK2 standard some were scraped ect ect UNDERSTAND?

"172 units of Olifant Mk 1B tanks with basic ordinary steel armour RHA of world war I"

MK2s and MK1Bs are almost identical externally, the only difference is the added optics(That big box with the camera) on the MK2, They have the same armor.
Pic 1 MK2
Pic MK1B

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patches689:


I was being intentionally ridiculous

Hahahah ok my bad mate!!
Although the Mbombe is still a decent vehicle, better than anything Nigeria will ever have.

agaugust:


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I know, but SANDF has very few of it in service.

SANDF has about 236 units Olifant tanks, about 200 units of them are Olifant Mk 1 A with NO composite armour.....they are the ancient plain steel metal junks, they make up about 80 % of your useless tank force that will get eaten up by Boko Haram RPG with HEAT warhead

80 % of SANDF Olifant tranks are the old school weak armour types below ....
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More than 170 Mk1Bs have been produced, sources have been provided, No stop wasting our time.

patches689:


RG35 a sh1t

turret-less Mbombe for the win.

Paramount is the bees-knees these days

Sh1t? How so?
It has better range than the Mbombe.
Higher ground clearance.
Faster than the Mbombe.
Carries more troops.
And both have the same ballistics protection.

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Denel finishes acquisition of BAE Systems Land Systems South Africa
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38966

This could potentially be geat news for Project Sepula:

Denel now owns the RG35 which i think would be the best option for project Sepula, then they also have the RG41 which can fulfill any future requirement the SANDF might have:

lezz:
FACT!!! Never expect too much from them southies. they only claim to be whites in the shadows of the web. i will wager my monthly pay they are half-breed Zulus. that's why they have a thing for Nigeria.

I can smell their xenophobia and insecurity across this platform.

Are you to r3tarded to read too mate?Were in those articles does it say Nigeria bought 58 tanks?All it says is that the Czechs sold 58 to the Excalibur group, nowhere does it say in those articles that Nigeria bought all 58 from the Excalibur group.

frumentius:
Rheinmetall Denel Defence Day in Pictures Part 1:
http://www.africandefence.net/rheinmetall-denel-defence-day-in-pictures/

Looks Like we have one less Olifant!