@OP

As scambaiters, we try to convince the scammers to send trophy pictures
http://www.419eater.com/html/hall_of_shame.htm

419 Scam Gone Wrong - Backfired

Desperation - money at all cost and/or by whatever means necessary is a curse

Who is the mugu or maga now?

@OP

Dancing in the flesh and the Canaanite spirit!

The video stated clearly and in details, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, that it is all about money

lady gogo:

by Ishola Alolanle Fatai

. . . heard allusions to similar statements in churches I’ve visited over the years, but never have I ever heard it put in such a blatant manner. “Offering determines what will come out?” Really? Are people in church to worship someone they consider a supreme being, or play the lottery?

It can, perhaps, all be blamed on people who are gullible enough to eat up the words of their pastors and ‘fathers’ week after week and do exactly as they say. But there is something terribly upsetting about pastors who see their positions of power as opportunities to play on people’s desperation for ‘blessings’ by telling them that it is somehow related to how much money they give the church.


Source: http://www.ynaija.com/ishola-alolanle-fatai-kicc-totally-creeps-me-out-confessions-of-a-nigerian-atheist/

In a away the pastor is right but I am not sure of the motive or sincerity behind the statement

What was noticed and commented on by Jesus about those putting into the treasury or making offering?

Who was blessed and who was lambasted?

Who was said to have put in more?

Was it the poor widow with her two mites or the rich putting their gifts?

You think, all, pastors inclusive, are casting in to the offering box all they have to live on? (i.e. everything)

That'll be the day!

nwuyag:

Sincerely, you sound like you are trying to explain, but also feeling confused while doing that and also saying that God is not the cause is alarming in a way. I have prepared a clear illustration to all these but let me summarize it to you.
Using xtianity analogy;
Man did not beg to be created. God created man. God created man and put free will. Nothing existed before god made man. Man did not make anything. Man could not make anything for himself at the beginning of time. Therefore, the selfishness, disobedience, pride etc which you attribute to man can only be traced to one maker, which is god. You can say that God encompassed all these in the freewill. But he made it all and knew before time that man that he will make man with freewill and knew before time, that man will follow the wrong choice and knows those who will follow the wrong choice and therefore knows those who will burn in hell. All before the beginning of time.. I don't know any other simpler way to put it.

@nwuyag

I passingly mentioned finding the reading, emotional going through all your past posts

Felt same reading one of the new ones posted earlier today and was bothered replaying it over in my mind on my way to the corner shop this evening

You are looking for answers but you searching with hang ups and accusations

The accusations mistake are like satan did and same with Adam too

Satan is the personal name of the devil and it means “accuser” or “adversary " (i.e. an opponent in a contest, conflict or dispute)

Adam blamed God when he accused God and claimed that God did wrong by giving him Eve (i.e. it is the woman you gave me . . .)

So Adam formed an alliance with satan accusingly pointing fingers at God,

just like you have so far been doing, on the accusing path and whinging

Much water has flown under the bridge, give it a rest

No one has the right to deny God His creativity

Just live the life, best you can with the hand you were dealt

There is this local adage:

"If your charm is guaranteed and you're 100% sure of it, nothing holds you back smacking your head with it"

That sums God up, literally.

God took the problem head-on without fear, took the bull by head, and went ahead with creation

because all's in hand and there is nothing out/of it He can't handle

Sin's days are numbered, the immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law ultimately will no more be

That tree of the knowledge of good and evil will be uprooted and destroyed

There will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain

Shalom

plaetton:

Then i cam across a book at a library titled " God, A Biography". I borrowed it, read it, returned it, and the n went to a book store and bought it, and read it again.
The book outline the origins of the idea of god and traced it through the ages across different cultures , different religions and different times.
It hit me like a bolt of lightening.

" God is an idea, an evolving idea that evolves with us".

That was my final realization that god is whatever the human mind shapes it be.
It made so much sense and explained so much.

@plaetton

Incidentally I have the book "God, A Biography" (i.e. by Jack Miles) - and its actually one of my best books,

Good book, not a book for the lily-livered

I rarely do hardcopies nowadays
but hey this one sits proudly in the house alongside others such as
Dan Browns' Angels & Demons; The Da Vinci Code etc
Dennis Wheatley's The Devil and all his Works

I love Jack Miles' beautiful sentence on page 87 (i.e. God, A Biography's What makes God Godlike? chapter)
it states
"Experience shapes character, and character determines action"

nwuyag:

Let me include " even before they were born". It can't be made any simpler than this.

This thought popped through my mind when i was talking about the omniscience of God and freewill

onetrack:

You're going to get a pile of convoluted answers about how man has freewill AND god is omniscient at the same time, basically just a bunch of runaround and word games that are meaningless and unprovable (like all religion).

Either:
there is free will and god is not omniscient or
everything is predetermined or
god does not exist or does not care.

Yes He does - He knows those that will be destroyed,

and by the way hell is another matter (i.e. another concept)

God is not autocratic (i.e. not domineering)

He takes into account people's wishes or opinions

What is the point having freewill, if your choice will not be respected?

What will be the importance or value of freewill then, huh?

God cared enough to give out freewill and to respect individual choice(s) made

Don't be a wet blanket

Live life. Live it

JMAN05:

hmmm. he also knew satan will rebel? or was sin existing before satan rebelled?

Well He doesnt know. He created them with free will. He cant create them to sin and punish them afterward.

@JMAN05

Chai! Did you notice the cohorts salivating and raring to have a field day

"Friends" coming out of the woodwork - It was like a wolf pack scene

They went into a frenzy by the smell of blood

Adam and Eve were not created to sin - get a grip and control your emotions

and they were not punished afterward - don't mistake the result or effect of an action or condition (i.e. cause and effect) as/for punishment

So you think God is autocratic (i.e. domineering)

that He takes no account of other people's wishes or opinions

What is the point having freewill, if your choice will not be respected?

What is the importance or value of freewill then, huh?

Pfft. C'mon now, give us a break

Anyway a picture is worth a thousand words

JMAN05:

This topic is important because our understanding of it can change our view of God.

@JMAN05

Yes, God was aware. He knew Adam and Eve will rebel

He knew what will happen and took actions in order to be prepared

Sin was already existing before Adam and there was a plan to deal with sin completely

italo:

Now you are limiting God. Who told you that God cannot be in heaven and on earth simultaneously?

And who told you that God cannot manifest himself in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

Who taught you to limit God this way?

@italo

Word up my good brother

superior1:

The fact he even wrote that sarcastic nonsense shows the fellow knows very little.

There were 3 options here: maybe 4

> Stand up to Joagbaje's reckless claim
> Fold arms or throw hands up in despair and walk away from Joagbaje's reckless claim
> Make a joke of Joagbaje's reckless claim
> Collude by words or conduct (i.e. aid and abet) Joagbaje's reckless claim

He chose joke so wrote the sarcastic post as a butt of joke to highlight or showcase Joagbaje's highly and unlikely reckless claim

Joagbaje:

Try read the label on the door . The thread is not for everybody .

But for those who have experience in casting devils out. Thanks for dropping in .Just gently close the door behind you .

@Joagbaje

Stop this absurd excuse that demons sent SMS

by showing the figment of your imagination the label on the door first.

Thank God for getting rid of the dropping shi't

and then do the honorable thing of gently closing the door behind or after it

Joagbaje:

So who is sponsoring or doing the hacking ?and for what purpose. You're the one in the hole dear.

@Joagbaje

Awww . . . how cute, your show of naivety is touching

C'est la vie - that's life.

Some people get kicks sponsoring it or doing the hacking

and for no particular purpose, than just for fancy.

They enjoy seeing victims squirm or rack their brains wondering how it happened

The perpetrator enjoy seeing victims like yourself make spectacles of themselves blaming demons

Gone are the days when people used to blame the devil for all and everything,

now it gone so low, it is demons turn, to blame for SMS

Joagbaje:

Hacked by a local girl who can even afford credit ? An iPhone for that matter . You are wonderful.

@Joagbaje

Look at you! Digging yourself a deeper hole

Shaking my head

Joagbaje:

I don't really see the purpose of this nonsense you're posting.

The person in question is not advance in technology . The phone is not bluthoot enabled. You can't have conversation with bulk SMS .

@Joagbaje

What are you like?

Are you this thick or merely faking ignorance?

Your phone was hacked - to make it plain and simple.

You can wallow in your idiosyncrasy and self delusion

Joagbaje:

Have you ever experience kindom of darkness sending you an SMS ,or a demon?

I have had some experience while ministering to some cases. But I want to sample opinion first before I give details of my experience .

If you have heard of such experience or you have actually experience such. Either as a threat or whatever the content .


I have had 2 experiences . The first one happened when minitered to a young woman Several spirits were cast out of her. But I wasn't through with her because it took a long time so we had to take a break to finish up the following day. But the following day ibegan to recieve series of SMS from "THEM" insulting me and warning to keep away from her, that she belong to them.

At first, I thought it was a prank from her, then few minutes before our appointment I began to recieve SMS from her line that I should not deliver her, that she belong to them , Then they said they were inside her phone using it to warn me.. I replied saying christ has delivered her already .her body soul and spirit belong to Jesus .

Now this is the funny part . She came I asked who was sending me SMS through her phone . She said nobody , she said she was only surprised to see SMS from me. I collected her phone . Suprisigngly i only saw my replies. There was no trace of the messages sent from that phone ,Then she said she doesn't even have credit at all since day before . I then took the phone again and checked the balance 0:00 kobo ! . That's my firsts experience .

The second experience I had to send someone else to the person house few block away to call her, she was deeply sleeping yet, I was Receiving warning messages from the phone . This particular person was involved in witchcraft . Checking the phone only my responses were there . Yet ony phone both her SMS and mine are there , even till now

newmi:

My people this is really serious its no child's play at all neither is it ear-say.

Thank you Joagbaje I have been expecting such a forum to discuss this because not many persons are aware of such manifestations.
You see I have had my own share of experiences considering the fact that I have been graciously opportune by God to engage in casting out devils or tending for someone who's oppressed or attacked by the influence of some demon.
In the course of this discuss I will if necessary even make copies of some or part of my experiences(msg).

Finally from my experience its not only text messages, I have received whatsapp message s and call aren't left out but am yet to get any

Joagbaje:

So who types the sms and how did the matter eventually end?

Abeggy stop this derision

The level of gullibility displayed here so far, SMH, is astounding, mschew

With this ability to believe too quickly and therefore be easily deceived,

we should be expecting to read about demons wiping shi't off butts next, SMH

Bluebugging is a form of Bluetooth attack often caused by a lack of awareness.

Bluebugging allows skilled individuals to access the mobile phone commands using Bluetooth wireless technology without notifying or alerting the phone's user.

This vulnerability allows the hacker to initiate phone calls, send and read SMS, read and write phonebook contacts, eavesdrop on phone conversations, and connect to the Internet.

It was developed after the onset of bluejacking and bluesnarfing.

Bluejacking, also known as Bluespamming, sends anonymous text messages or business cards to other Bluetooth devices within range of the attacker

Similar to bluesnarfing, bluebugging accesses and uses all phone features but is limited by the transmitting power of class 2 Bluetooth radios, normally capping its range at 10–15 meters. However, the operational range has been increased with the advent of directional antennas

Bluebugging was developed by the German researcher Martin Herfurt in 2004, one year after the advent of bluejacking.

Initially a threat against laptops with Bluetooth capability, it later targeted mobile phones and PDAs.

Bluebugging manipulates a target phone into compromising its security, this to create a backdoor attack before returning control of the phone to its owner.

Once control of a phone has been established, it is used to call back the hacker who is then able to listen-in to conversations. The Bluebug program also has the capability to create a call forwarding application whereby the hacker receives calls intended for the target phone.

A further development of Bluebugging has allowed for the control of target phones through Bluetooth phone headsets, It achieves this by pretending to be the headset and thereby "tricking" the phone into obeying call commands.

Not only can a hacker receive calls intended for the target phone, he can send messages, read phonebooks, and examine calendars

donez:

21 - 30 days, is this for real? 0h GOD help me

Man up, unless you rather try this french anti-m,asturbation device then?

I will ask Yeshua:

"My Lord, what does God require off and/or from me that I need to carry out, now?"

benatex:

We all hear that on that day, the Lord will show us all what we have been doin from the second we were.

I wanna ask our bible scholars, pastors etc.

will anyone beside you also watch the video of your life or only you will be shown the 'video'

@benatex

Though without enough information to be sure

I think because you came in here by yourself - alone
left by yourself - alone

In books, you will be shown records and audits, alone (i.e. you will "watch" the "video" by yourself)


"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works"
- ^{Revelation 20:12 King James Version}

and just as in birth, when people welcomed you in
and in death, when people saw you off to bide you farewell
so people will watch go or see you approaching the throne to know your fate - alone

It is going to be personal thing, in camera with the Judge rather than an open court
- a private viewing with no invitation, as it were

donez:

Many a time i had made up my mind to stop this afterwards give me at most 2 weeks and i will start feeling heavy and the need to discharge,

also something in me keeps telling me that if i can abstain from it for 6 months i will see positive changes in my life.

To me, this sounds like passing a camel through the eye of a needle because i have not even gone a month without it for the past 8 years.
Can i really stop it. Pls help

@donez

Complete abstinence of a habit for 21 - 30 days will be enough to stop or break it

so far you've only done 2 weeks i.e. managed to do 14 days

Set another date to stop the habit,

and after 21 days, return back to update us how you fared

donez:

I have been stuck in this evil shell for the part 8 years i have tried any possible way i can to stop it but all to no avail.sometimes i take it as a normal way of life.i have listened to several messages against it, i have read many books, i have been counselled, what haven't i done .i have even as God to punish me if i try to do it again just to refrain myself from doing it.

One suprising thing is that nothing really sparks off the urge in me most of the times it occurs spontaneously.


Many a time i had made up my mind to stop this afterwards give me at most 2 weeks and i will start feeling heavy and the need to discharge, also something in me keeps telling me that if i can abstain from it for 6 months i will see positive changes in my life. To me, this sounds like passing a camel through the eye of a needle because i have not even gone a month without it for the past 8 years. Can i really stop it. Pls help

Bigcake:

My guy mas.turbation is a sexual sin.

In the process of stimulating urself u picture some n.ude girls in order to help boost d pleasure.

Lustful tinking is a sin, because mas.turbation starts wit lustful tinking. Pray God shld help u out of it because dat ting na long ting.

@Bigcake

Why manipulate OP's post and making changes by putting words in OP's post

OP wrote ". . . suprising thing is that nothing really sparks off the urge in me, most of the times it occurs spontaneously"

and you came up with "In the process of stimulating urself, u picture some n.ude girls in order to help boost d pleasure."

yomi xclusive:

Someone asked my pastor today "if Jesus sits on the right hand side of God who then sits on the left side"

the whole church laughed......

my pastor couldn't answer the question though.

@yomi xclusive

Curious to know which church this is, yomi xclusive

This is a verse fraught with meanings
i.e. the "sits" and "the right hand side"

Any pastor worth his mettle wouldn't be ridiculed nor stumble explaining and answering this

Also as with "Our Father who hath in Heaven ..." refer to the pastor as "Our pastor" and not "My pastor"

Then Jesus gave the following illustration:
"Can one blind person lead another?
Won't they both fall into a ditch?"
- ^{Luke 6:39 NLT}

ceosville:

1) We all know that Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus and didn't make Heaven.

My Question now:
why did Jesus allow him to go astray even to the point of betrayal??

we all know that it was the devil who entered him and lured him using money as a device, Jesus saw this coming and didn't rebuke the devil in him, whereas when Satan entered Peter and used him to persuade Jesus from dying on the Cross, he rebuked him immediately,
why didn't he do that in the case of Judas??

Was it because he loved Peter more than Judas??

My second Question:
will mad people make heaven if they die in their state of Madness??

I am waiting for your replies. Thanks

Answer to 1:

Judas had reached the point of no return and was hell bent on betraying Jesus,

so there was no point Jesus rebuking him but instead to encourage him to get on with it.

After Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.
Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”
- ^{John 13:27 Common English Bible (CEB)}

Loving anyone more had nothing in the matter

Judas like Pharaoh chose to self destruct

Answer to 2:

There is nothing stopping any with mental or psychiatric disorders from seeing and/or entering the Kingdom of Heaven.

Some cases though are brought about from drug misuse or abuse (e.g. smoking hemp, going into the occultic etc)

but based upon individual cases, God will be fair and reasonable,

as God is Elohei Misphat which means God of Justice

Nonetheless, the Lord is waiting to be merciful to you,
and will rise up to show you compassion.
The Lord is a God of justice;
happy are all who wait for him.
- ^{Isaiah 30:18 Common English Bible (CEB)}

and also there is this thing called diminished responsibility (i.e. diminished capacity)
this is a potential defense by excuse which the Advocate (i.e. the Lawyer) in Heaven will argue
that the person should not be held fully liable for their actions,
as their mental functions were "diminished" or impaired

My little children, I’m writing these things to you so that you don’t sin.
But if you do sin, we have an advocate with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous one
- ^{1 John 2:1 Common English Bible (CEB)}

Billyonaire:

That's Okwi, a friend of mine, never knew he owns that house, got to ring him up.

Billyonaire:

Nonsense, why would I lie, I actually owe him some cash though. That is way back.

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Bidam:

You fail to add that God created Adam in HIS IMAGE. In your words God has flaws

I am not arguing this issue further.It is a waste of my time really.

You should know better not to make flippant remarks

Image is just a representation of something else

It has nothing to do with perfection or flawlessness

I wasn't going to rush this

but hey it's seems I've got post this and scram as it'll be my last post on the matter

Well the OP's question was "Why Did God Put The Tree In The Garden Of Eden?"

Everyone knows a tree when they see one,

but asking someone to precisely describe what the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is, can be tricky

It is a tree with a root system that is supported by a woody trunk

The root system is made up of the law

The woody trunk is made up of sin

The foliage has fruits can be eaten as food but is death as was warned about

A specialist in the care and maintenance of trees will tell you that

a tree will only be as strong as its roots

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is no different

as it is as strong as the law

To understand what "Knowledge of Good and Evil" means

one needs to know what merism is - I'll leave it for your investigation

Transgression of the law is sin

Sin feeds off the law

Sin was already in the world before Adam was placed in the garden

The evidence is the presence of the tree in garden before Adam was moved in

It will be criminal to stop God from exercising His creativity right because of the tree

so God let the tree be and went ahead creating Adam

The tree has a problem, it is poisonous with sin and death

Where is the power of tree, what is the root cause? - In the law, it is The law

The problem tree needs to be uprooted from the source and dealt with once, for all and forever

Before this can happen though Adam's freewill needs to be tested unless he wants to be a robot

What is the point of having freewill and choice, if it would not be exercised

When the freewill is activated depending on the decision/choice selected,
passes an argument which calls the life or death function

Some scripting or programming knowledge or background helps to understand these parts

I've skipped a lot of details in between and up to here

The final ultimate aim is to have a sin free world

and this was achieved when the Knowledge of Good and Evil was no more

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."
- Rev 21:4

and

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations
- Rev 22:2

@Bidam

I have edited or added to my post above

so you might want to revisit it

and mind you, this whole thing is bigger than Adam

It was to be dealt with but Adam had to be sorted out first

Before the dealing with of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

Adam had to be tested, he was not hung out to dry as another important tree was in the garden

Also on the contrary, Man was not created perfect as you claimed

Example: the cooked stew was all good and very tasty, although the tomatoes added were a bit dodgy

Also mind you, ". . . And God saw that it was good" was used 6 times before Genesis 1:31 below, about everything as a whole made or created
(i.e. Genesis 1:4, Genesis 1:10, Genesis 1:12, Genesis 1:18, Genesis 1:21 and Genesis 1:25)

This speaks volume if none for Adam, no mention that it was good concerning Adam

Alarm bell ringing, hmm maybe God, who only is Good and been Omniscient knew something.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day
^{Genesis 1:31 KJV}

Bidam:

It is perfectly clear from scripture that Eve was deceived by the serpent because after eating from the tree..Evil was man's next door neighbor.

Cain killed his brother. Scripture record that death reigned from Adam to Moses.

Jesus Christ broke the curse.

EDITED

@Bidam

You need to break it down, cut it up into more pieces, smaller pieces

Slow but steady, laying down precept by precept to regulate the thought(s) and understandings

You need to explain the connection of Death and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil

Need to explain the meaning of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and its parameters or arguments

Also explain
> creativity and it's freedom,
> Explain which came first, Adam or the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
> Explain why or how the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil came to be
> freewill - testing the proof of the concept and/or the demonstration in principle
> choice - making decisions when faced with two or more possibilities;
this choice is different, as animals have choices too
as in you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink
> Explain why Adam was brought into garden where the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
> Explain what Knowledge of Good and Evil means
> Explain what the structure of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is or describe its make up
> Explain what the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is
> Explain what the root of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is
> Explain how possibly, one goes about successfully dealing with sin a problem and/or diseased tree
> Explain what finally happened to the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil

The cutting up pieces, list goes on - It is going to be a rough and no easy ride

Anything less will not go down very well with the Alfa Seltzers, the oomans or the nwuyags reading

as they have very little patience to suffer fools gladly so easily get the hump, angry or upset

Alfa Seltzer:

^^^ what a load of balderash.

try and give a straightforward answer for once. for one who is omnipresent, that doG of yours is the most hidden being ever.

Not rising to the bait

but whoa with the rude interrupt

Barging in that way, like a bull in a china shop,

won't get you the "straightforward answer" you're feigning.

Consider this:

What happens, if someone without first cutting it up into pieces, eats a big birthday cake?

It will be a clumsy way of handling the eating, which ends up with a fine big mess and a cake face



Why don't you back off the effervescent tabs a bit,

because it's giving out too much "efizzy"

making you swagger and cocky

@ nwuyag

Breezed through your posts, to decide whether it's worth my while picking up your thrown down gauntlet

Some of your posts due to their sensitivities, were read with water in eyes and a heavy heart

Well, to start, it is better this way and/or asking correctly
by changing "Why Did God Put The Tree In The Garden Of Eden?"
to "Why Did God Put The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good and Evil In The Garden Of Eden?"

Unlike other trees in the garden,
God actually had a name for this tree, just like the other one, the Tree of Life

For some reasons, the two trees must be important enough to be out-rightly called/given names by God

This is no ordinary tree and moreso the reason for not wanting leave out the importance adjectives Knowledge, Good and Evil which were used to describe the kind of tree it was.

You are right God is Omniscient, God is Omnipotent and God is Omnipresent.

but you are puzzled with
" ...why did He plant the tree there in the first place,
if He did not want them to eat out of it?"

You are interested in freewill, as you asked "Did I hear someone say freewill?"

but your fascination ends there, as you fail to appreciate, freewill's a mixed blessing

"Good. If truly they ate the fruit out of their
"freewill", God had every power to have stopped them,
and that would have saved the world from
all manners of evil we see today"

You questioned
"Why on earth will an Omnibenevolent God punish anyone
and send them to hellfire for doing something bad,
supposedly done out of the "freewill""

and queried
He gave them (which they didn't even ask for),
knowing fully well that they will misuse it eventually?
Is anyone following me at all? Yes, I know

and then you dropped what was meant to be a coup de grace
"The biggest question is how to solve this puzzle
without arriving at the answer
"You can't question the ways of god"
which seems to me like man is a slave"

I'll tell this for nothing,

it is not going to be plain sailing explaining the why(s) because of prerequisites, mental dispositions for reading/understanding the bible, needed responsibilities on your side for grasping or for the ah-ha facepalm light bulb moments etc etc

and will also say, this bit for now, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the centre of the Garden of Eden alongside the Tree of Life were two very important functions.

Their purpose, particularly the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (i.e. tToKoG&E) was to achieve something else once for all and the last/forever


Can I recommend the Book of Job for you to read?

You aren't an ardent supporter of freewill, so what would your alternative then be?
Curiously, how would you have done things?
What would you have differently done?


We can go further explaining the important adjectives Knowledge, Good and Evil, how possibly is God Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent in all of this etc etc after you've read the Book of Job

"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law"
1 Corinthians 15:56 King James Version (KJV)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"
Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death"
1 Corinthians 15:26 King James Version (KJV)

None of the passages below from the keyword storehouse(s) search suggests that a storehouse is a church or place of worship
however evidence or reasoning shows it to be a barn - a structure built for storing crops.

“When pesin cry, pesin dey see ooo,
water for eye, no stop crying pesin from seeing” - basic truth

Pastor Olu T:

Dont try to sound intelligent everyone understands what lucifer means so I dont see what separation u are doing,

my points still remain that in the context that it was used in those verses it is very clear;

It is ascribed to Satan in Isaiah.

esere826:

The next point of the thread then becomes who told you/us that Isiah 14: 12 referred to Satan?

Was this a special revelation? Cos it was not written in that verse

God is so patient ooo. God is longsuffering in silence no be small.

He'll refer you to Luke 10:18

"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven"

and

Revelation 12:7-9

⁷And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
⁸and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
⁹And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Lucifer is NOT even a hebrew word, though a sideline just like, hell too, is not hebrew

Jerome translated "star of the morning" in hebrew to the Latin word Lucifer.

The church latched on to Luke 10:18 and Revelation 12:7-9, juxtaposed both and roped them in with Isaiah 14 and Bob's your uncle, the rest is history.

C'mon now, Lucifer is only mentioned ONCE in the bible (i.e. the only one place in Isaiah where Jerome rendered)

Honesty, frankness and straightforwardness is needed on this topic and not shooing

This is more of a FYI (i.e. be aware) and not a need-to-know classified information

Jerome or no Jerome, begs the question which part of Isaiah 14 was addressing the person and which part the principality