buzugee:
now you aint working for the CIA or FBI or AGEGE POLICE FORCE now is you ?

buzugee:

THIS GOES AGAINST WHAT I PERSONALLY FEEL BUT IT IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE GOD AND CHRIST MAY BE THE SAME. LOOK AT THIS

DESCRIPTION OF THE ANCIENT ONE ( LORD )-DANIEL 7 VS 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the[b] hair of his head like the pure wool[/b]: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

DESCRIPTION OF THE MESSIAH-REVELATIONS 1 VS 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

either they look very much alike or they are the same wise looking black men with aged whitish wooly hair.

chukwudi44:

@kamilara

Are disputing the fact that the cherubims and bronze serpents were graven images

Pastor AIO:

Okay, I've lost interest now.

Pastor AIO:

Sorry to upset you, I brought up the bronze serpent because I, unlike you, am interested in the topic of this thread "thou Shalt Not Make Unto Thee Any Graven Image" And The Church

I felt that the mention of the bronze serpent would stimulate discussion in line with the subject of the thread and also stimulate discussion about the use of Icons in religion especially in Orthodox and Catholic christianity.

I was previously unaware of any such thing as 'healing in the wings' to refer to using objects that have come in contact with saints or Jesus for Healing. I presume that you are referring to the 4th chapter of Malachi:

1“For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.” 2“But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with[b] healing in its wings[/b]; and you will go forth and skip about like calves from the stall. 3“You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the LORD of hosts.

I'll have to go away and look at this more closely.

Pastor AIO:

Furthermore someone just started a thread about God instructing Moses to make another graven image, this time of the Cherubim. I think the guy was a catholic. I was looking for his thread but couldn't find it anymore. Anyway the relevant verse are here:


18And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. 19Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end. Of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. 20The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be. 21And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you. 22There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.

Exodus 25

Pastor AIO:

I suppose it all depends on what one understands by the term worship.

And also whether Icons have a span of usefulness after which they must be destroyed.

If a woman can get healing from touching the hem of Jesus garment as she believed she would, would that be put to iconolatry.

What about those that used the Handkerchiefs belonging to Paul to heal themselves?

How far is that from the use of Relics by the catholics?

11God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, 12so that handkerchiefs or aprons were even carried from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out. Acts 19

Pastor AIO:

I suppose it all depends on what one understands by the term worship.

And also whether Icons have a span of usefulness after which they must be destroyed.

If a woman can get healing from touching the hem of Jesus garment as she believed she would, would that be put to iconolatry.

What about those that used the Handkerchiefs belonging to Paul to heal themselves?

How far is that from the use of Relics by the catholics?

11God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul,
12so that handkerchiefs or aprons were even carried from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out. Acts 19

Pastor AIO:

So was it Moses that did something that was not right in the eyes of the Lord?

Let me state where I am coming from clear clear so that I don't seem insidious.

Catholics are often attacked for their use of religious Icons.

They often protest that they do not worship these icons, but protestants will cut them no slack.

When Moses raised the Serpent was he telling the people of Israel to worship it or was he telling them to 'look unto it'.

What is the role of Iconism in religion?

How far can you take iconism and when does it become a hindrance rather than an aid to one's religious practice?

There have been several iconoclastic movements in Christianity, as there has been in Judaism,

yet most of them did not result in the splintering or disintegration of the Church.

Not until Luther and Calvin when they did not just destroy icons but they separated themselves from the church.

Arosa: I don't like the design, it doesn't look structurally sound.

nateevs:
Wow! Amazing stuff. I particularly love the external cladding employed.
It's easier and cheaper to maintain in the long run and it gives it the sparkling, shiny look.

I hope it also well illuminated at nights.

Pastor AIO:
8 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole; and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he seeth it, shall live.'
9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and set it upon the pole; and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he looked unto the serpent of brass, he lived.


As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life

thehomer:

I don't cherry pick. You're welcome to refer me to what you think is the best response you made.

thehomer:

Sure I said it with a smirk. Are you going to tell us?

thehomer:

I notice that you didn't really say what these rules are. I'm still waiting..

thehomer:

I don't see why I should have done that.

Faith has certain rules?

Pray tell us what these rules are

and how to tell that we're following these rules.

kamilara:
@logicboy

Faith seemingly is mostly preposterous or absurd

but nah, never foolishness short of fake/false/deluded faith

thehomer:

Which of these is deluded faith

Someone playing with poisonous snakes because of his Bible,

someone throwing his money at pastors for God to bless them

or someone praying that their loved ones get resurrected right there in the hospital?

kamilara:
@Kay 17,@JeSoul

He and his father had successfully exercised their faith with an enviable track record

However when an electric device is turned off, there is something called residual power

The residual power is not the same as the real power

because the residual power has not completely dissipated

there is the danger of a false sense of security

This is a wisdom issue, where both men were unwise.

What was right, was that the men made wrong decisions and wrong choices of FOOLISHLY not realising that the power has left.

They were unwise in not making the right decision and not realising when to draw the line

So as with Saul and Samson before them when the Spirit of the LORD/LORD had left Saul and Samson,

both men became nàked to the elements and vulnerable

Certainly the LORD God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God

logicboy:
Typical cold hearted christian.

I'm sure that you would say the to child slaves or people who have sufferred at the hands of christrians eg Oyedepo-slapped wich for jesus

logicboy:


pls visit my thread;

https://www.nairaland.com/952084/religious-people-really-think-that

kamilara:
@Kay 17,@JeSoul

He and his father had successfully exercised their faith with an enviable track record

However when an electric device is turned off, there is something called residual power

The residual power is not the same as the real power

because the residual power has not completely dissipated

there is the danger of a false sense of security

This is a wisdom issue, where both men were unwise.

What was right, was that the men made wrong decisions and wrong choices of FOOLISHLY not realising that the power has left.

They were unwise in not making the right decision and not realising when to draw the line

So as with Saul and Samson before them when the Spirit of the LORD/LORD had left Saul and Samson,

both men became nàked to the elements and vulnerable

Certainly the LORD God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God

logicboy:

Faith is mostly foolishness.

Sorry, painfull truth

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buzugee:

my perception of white people ?

well they are very prideful and arrogant ( obadiah vs 3) ( 2 thessalonians 2 vs 4 )

and have superiority complex ( daniel 8 vs 25 )

which i really cant blame em for because they got uplifted by the lord ( romans 11 vs 11 )

and given superior weaponry by the lord ( revelation 6 vs 4 )

so that they can take peace away from the earth as a way to punish israel ( amos 3 vs 2 )

because israel was heavy into idolatry and wickedness ( as they still are today ).

so basically esau was uplifted to transform the kingdom of heaven to hell.

and he is doing a heck of a job too. apart from that i got nothing against the man.

he done turned all of israel to his cash-cow though ( anytime he need resources he rush to africa to take ) .

israel is now his perpetual plunder ( jeremiah 2 vs 14 ).

but hey, the man loves his wealth. if esau come to your house his intention is to clean you out of your wealth ( obadiah vs 5 ).

but apart from that, he alright with me

buzugee:

perpetual plunder - jeremiah 2 vs 14

is Israel a servant, a slave by birth? Why then has he become plunder

correction in case you have read the verse and wondered why it does not match what i said. lil verse mixture lol

buzugee: nations of people in the bible with names of single people

moab-chinese
ishmael-arabs
edom or esau- white people
elam-indians
ammon-japanese
cush-ethiopia
hamite-africans but not the negro
israel-negros
adam- first nation of people formed

buzugee: nothing unique. i have just read the bible the right way. and i did not skip a huge chunk of the bible called the apocrypha.

the apocrypha is the chunk of the bible taken out by the bible destruction group in the 1800s because it actually laid out who was who and actually laid out that before the greek empire, there were several civilizations. the greek empire which started out after alexander the greek conquered hannibal in north africa is the start of white civilization. however white civilization had us all believe that civilization started with the greeks which was why they had to remove that whole chunk out of the bible called the apocrypha to hide the fact that there were great black civilizations before the greek. now if you read the apocrypha it tells you about the adamites, the first nation of people formed. see when you miss out a huge chunk of the book and dont research yourself to get the full picture, you end up with false information like you have.

thehomer:

Actually you are making excuses for God.

It doesn't take any sorts of balls to do things the way your God did, it takes incompetence.


If he cares so much about people, then why the incompetent creation?


I say he leaves it to humans to correct because he did such a poor job of his creation that human surgeons had to rectify his error.

thehomer:

Actually you are making excuses for God. It doesn't take any sorts of balls to do things the way your God did, it takes incompetence.



If he cares so much about people, then why the incompetent creation?



I say he leaves it to humans to correct because he did such a poor job of his creation that human surgeons had to rectify his error.

thehomer:

Shít happens isn't such a good excuse because this is God that we're talking about.

He is supposed to be perfect and care for these people.

Bill Gates isn't God, if he were, the software they produce wouldn't need patches

and what not but God doesn't even deliver patches, humans do all that.

Yes I want to know what God did to rectify it or did he leave it to humans to correct his mistakes as usual?

thehomer:

You still don't seem to understand what I'm saying which is why I made a contrast with a child.

Telling a child not to do something but the child does it doesn't mean the child and its future offspring deserve to be punished for eternity.



Are you saying that eating the fruit caused earthquakes, plagues, asteroids etc?

Anyway, it looks as though this topic has been derailed.

What I'd like to know is why God allowed the twins to come out that way and what he did to rectify it.

thehomer:

So, the problem was eating the fruit.

Now, what was the knowledge that Adam had before eating the fruit other than a command that he shouldn't eat the fruit?

And what were you getting at with your talk of a code?