Aemmyjah:
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but of course you would cheer. You don't even understand what it means to provide proof.

Emusan:


It does!

In fact human cell is million times smaller than every single chip we have today.

Human cell is 20-30nm yet holds billions of base pairs of DNA and over 600millions of nRNA.



This shows you don't know much about technology.

Most technologies we have today are designed in comparison with human system.

1. Camera can be compared to human eyes
2. CPU/SOC can be compared to human brain.
3. RAM can be compared to human short term memory
4. ROM can be compared to human long term memory
5. ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) is designed in way human breath in air and release waste.

And many more.

Meanwhile, with our current supercomputer system, human system is still FAR COMPLEX than any computer we have today.

Let me give you a single clue!
You aware of the first computer which is as big as a whole room yet the same computer is less complex to the ones we have today.

What is the secret?

The secret lies in scientists discovery of how information are packed into 20-30nm cell, this has helped the engineers to fabricate more transistors in micrometres into a silicon wafer. For comparison 1um is the size of a single Hydrogen atoms. In other to design more complex system we need to solve how to even packed more information into silicon wafer in reduced size.

No one will ever look into how billions of transistor are carefully and intelligently packed into silicon wafer and ruled out the work of a designer from it.

So how can people then look at how 20-30nm human cell holding much more info and rule out INTELLIGENCE AND DESIGN from it?

The information in a single cell if to be stretched out will be high as 2m and if the entire cells in human should be stretched it will be wider than our SOLAR SYSTEM.

Which means the Designer behind human creation KNOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF packing information in a limited space.

If a single cell should just be 1mm in diameter, it means an average human will be as tall as over 100m and 10m in width.

You have shown that you can use Google, you have yet to show correlation. Show the correlation then We'll talk.

Emusan:


You know what to do yet you asked below question.



The reasons are what I listed as questions above.

1. It shows the work of an intelligent entity.

2. It shows it was designed

3. It shows it can't happen by chance.

Yours is to tell me how billions of transitor can be perfectly fit into a space of 15x15mm silicon wafer without intelligent work behind it.

No it doesn't show anything. You haven't even established correlation here. You have only assumed. Establish correlation first and let's go from there.

Aemmyjah:


You're deceiving yourself over something you know it's not true

"I know"?... Know?. That word. If you know what you believe in is true, it wouldn't be a belief system. Continue to use words you don't understand. If I ask you to prove your knowledge you will tell me to believe and have faith right now. Sorry but I am past that.

Aemmyjah:


Don't mind yeye Kimco

The convo switched to ad hominem. It ends here.

MaxInDHouse:


Back then when i was trying to reshape his thoughts on what the scriptures teaches he was playing smart now where is that hopeless beliefs he was arguing for?
In the trash bin.
And today he's against the Bible instead of working on his understanding of God's word.
What really baffles me at times is the way they think because a knife has its purpose but when the one handling it fails to use it in the right way he or she will get cut and the next thing they will do is saying the knife is useless!

What is this guy on about? What are you saying?

Joel07:
The truth is one wife does'nt = peace of mind, i can tell from personal and other's people's experince.

So imagine more than one. So if you had one and she game you no peace of mind, why add another? Do you assume it would get better?

Joel07:


Ahn Ahn bros that's not true, it's only for some uneducated women even in one man one woman relationships: how can you describe women as not having any mind of their own, i don't think it's the same gender we are dealing with everyday

I did not describe women as not having a mind of their own I said most polygamous wives. I didn't know polygamous wives represent all women. What selecting eyes you have. You just came with agenda, you did not even touch the subject.

Emusan:


Very simple.

Begin your research to know what it takes for human to fit in Billions of transistor into a 15 x 15mm silicon wafer and start asking question like:
1. Does this require INTELLIGENT work?
2. Was it designed?
3. Can something like this happened by chance?

Then compare that to how billions of information are packed inside 20-30nm strand of human DNA and ask yourself:

1. Does this require INTELLIGENT work?
2. Was it designed?
3. Can something like this happened by chance?

For comparison, nm is 1,000,000 time smaller than mm.

Huh? You have not said anything. I know what to do to understand the process of a scientific method. Infact the single most effective way of the method is consistent results across board.

Now tell me why there requires a creator in the the DNA scenario. Share with me, the best reason why you feel an entity should be responsible for that?

MaxInDHouse:


That's good for you at least now your life has a purpose and you're doing something tangible about it.
Wish you well my friend!

That was really wrong of you to quote mine, Max, to move your agenda. I'm really disappointed in you.

MaxInDHouse:


I have known this guy for someone time now i never knew ATHEISM is gradually getting hold of him now i'm convinced that the owner of this forum is using it to initiate inexperienced followers into ATHEISM, no wonder many times they have blocked my posts in fact as i'm typing now i can't add pictures to my posts anymore whenever i try to do so something will just pop up telling me it's impossible while others are still adding pictures to their comments.

So my brother kimco has been initiated into atheism the same way most of them on this forum are being initiated, just imagine a sane person saying he is not yet convinced of what he saw with his own eyes and also confirmed from people around him simply because he doesn't want to admit that there are unseen beings around us.
I am planning to delete my account on this forum and never have anything to do with it again because i have noticed that the owner and moderators have realized that my posts are really powerful and they don't want such.

Each time religionists insult and curse others they will not ban them so i played along with them for sometimes but now that i no longer do such i was banned from commenting!

What are you talking about. When I first join here I was a Christian but really questioning the faith. I looked for answers everywhere to reassure myself that I was wrong and that the faith was right. But as time went on and my cognitive dissonance dissolved, I came clear to myself, I cannot believe that a deity sacrificed himself to himself in order to forgive us for breaking rules that he set for us himself, amongst other confusing tales. If you have somewhere to blame for my change, blame YouTube, I am barely active on here anyways.

Emusan:


The thing is, not everything you can explain to people and they will understand.

How can you explain to someone who is not in the engineering field of how billions of Transistor and capacitors can fit into a space of 15mm X 15mm silicon wafer and all these working together perfectly?

And then compare this on how the creator was able to part DNA in a space of 20-30 micrometres of cell.

So what do you suggest I should do to prepare my mind to understand that a "creator was able to part DNA in a space of 20-30 micrometers of cell"? I'm interested.

MaxInDHouse:


This is the same kimco when he still believes he is a Christian but today it's obvious he now advocates atheism.



So this forum is used to initiate them into atheism and if they realize that you're too hard for them to initiate they will start frustrating you with bans each time you make strong comments.

What a joke you are. You had to quote mine my old posts, to what end? You know this has nothing to do with the discourse, only make you look pathetic. I have every right to change my position and I did. I just decided to be honest with my self and stop blindly following. You could try that.

Aemmyjah:


Kimco
Wetin sup na?
What made you embrace atheism?

I would say I'm agnostic. And as for the reason, I just came clean with myself. The information book (Bible) is not consistent and very contradictory. A lot of claims in real life too involves blind faith. I cannot continue to be dishonest with myself so I choose to find answers while maintaining the position of 50/50. Right now I would say 80/20. Maybe I am an atheist at this point and that's fine. And Nobody initiated me into atheism/agnotism as MaxInDhouse claims. I have a working brain unlike some.

MaxInDHouse:


If you see something that seems impossible all you need to confirm it really happened is the person next to you but to convince someone else that is when you need evidence not what you yourself saw with your own eyes.

That is not all you need to confirm that it's real. If both of you saw a man walking on air or water and you confirm the next person is seeing it too, you will believe without any investigation that indeed they are walking on water? Just because the other person agrees with you? Dude be skeptical in life. You will find out a lot in life this way. You won't be easily deceived as well.

Aemmyjah:


Your own point and example is also invalid

500 years ago, someone said that one day, humans will be able to fly? Is that false today? Are we flying or not?

what has this got to do with our argument please?

MaxInDHouse:


You're raising a totally wrong idea!

If you see someone walking on water and you don't trust your own eyes then it means something is wrong with your brain.
What you need after seeing it isn't about you believing it anymore because you saw it with your own eyes happening rather what you should have said is "how to convince others who may find it really difficult to believe what you saw" not you again who is an eyewitness.

For instance if you and your wife saw someone entered your house without using the keys while all the doors are locked and he walked towards your safe where all your money is kept do you still need someone to tell you it really happened? Not when your own wife is with you seeing everything together.

So if you and many others saw man walking on water what you need as evidence is to ask those close to you at the spot if they are also seeing it but for you to convince someone who is not present it will be difficult that's what could lead you into scrutinizing what you saw but you and others at the event needs no further verification because you are eyewitnesses to the event!

So if you saw someone walking on water you won't inquire if it real or they are pulling a trick on you? And those who question the legitimacy of what they see are the ones with something wrong with their brain? Imagine that. I have a "miracle" to show you later. But you are right about one thing, even if you say what you saw was real, you need to prove to others that what you saw was real, can you do that? Cos what you saw must also leave evidence to back your claim otherwise you might be hallucinating (happens).Irrefutable evidence is important to the scientific findings. When you see something, clarify it, if you see a thief in your house but no forced entry or stolen goods or footprint, just nothing and you still claim you saw someone in your house, then you need to check yourself.

Aemmyjah:


Explain how sight or seeing does not give evidence

I see a house in my village, nobody knows who built it. The house in itself is evidence that it was built even if you never saw the builder

the issue is not whether it was built but who built or owns it. That's the actual argument. I know where you are going with this but the analogy is flawed because you missed what the actual inquiry was about.

Aemmyjah:


This one does not know anything joor
You sure say you go school?

Are you sure you can read? Or you read just the highlighted and decided to troll without adding anything? Calm down, read my post and come back with a better argument.

Dtruthspeaker:


Understandably. But scrutiny involves the use of sight and knowledge. Thus, if these things truly work in you THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN that every major difference that must be in such a Supernatural Person is in Jesus which no man either before Him or after Him has.

So your reasonable doubt is dispensed which is why you do not have any reasonable or valid question or comment to put down.

Thus, the only thing remaining is your personal guilt and wish fueled biased under Him which is what is making you lie that you do not believe in Him because every reasonable person understands that murderers, thieves and liars can never like Law and policemen and Judges.



Off point! Change of Post!

I just realized who I am chatting with. I will end it here thank You.

Dtruthspeaker:


You do not believe Chris because you know he is like you man. But from the beginning Jesus was not man like you. For like you and Chris were born by the sex and sperm of man Jesus was not.

Even before the arrival of Jesus, we were forewarned that He would come avisiting.

So the proof is already there if anyone indeed wanted to have them.

The Chris that I see I do not believe. Is it the Jesus I have not seen before that I should believe? When I have seen or not seen every claim must be subjected to scrutiny and evidenced beyond reasonable doubt.

Also claims are not proof. The Bible is not proof, it's a claim. And the claims it made are not exclusive to it. I know you think the Bible is proof the only Godly book that exists but it's not...it's not even godly.

Aemmyjah:



You must see something to believe it exists. Yes or No?
I've not seen air
I've not seen my mind
I've not seen the atmosphere
I can't see or hear or feel the rotation of the Earth
I did not see the corona virus (many of still believe it never existed excluding myself)
If I go to my village and tell the oldest man that people can and are traveling alive to other planet like Mars and returning alive and he asks me to demonstrate it to him there or atleast show the journey from the starting point to the destination and return to the earth (which is not available) and I'm not able to do that (I have not even seen or watch any such video myself but I believe it is happening) . Does that mean that no one has actually never gone to Mars and returned? Remember, he's just being critically-minded like you
There are many things we do not see. We just hear it and we accept them as true


But your argument does not invalidate the truth that order cannot arise from chaos or mindless process

Thank you Dtruthspeaker, I saw your last comment where you mentioned me

You asked a question, I answered you, you disregarded it and went ahead to preach your already prepared sermon even though I saw through it and stopped you in your tracks. My brother you are wrong. Seeing is not evidence, what you see must be evidenced and that goes for other things you cannot see. What about feel? What of smell what of taste? All these must still be subjected to scrutiny and evidenced otherwise why not believe in unicorns and dragons too.

Aemmyjah:



You must see something to believe it exists or existed.
Yes or No?

You must have evidence beyond reasonable doubt. Sight is one way but even our senses can be deceptive. So you need to scrutinize it. Example if I see Chris Angel walking on water, my skeptical brain would like to know how he did it. How did he defy the laws of physics? I cannot just believe it just because I saw it. You understand me?

Aemmyjah:

Cause and effect

You see a house. That is an effect of a Cause that someone built it. A house cannot be the cause if it's own existence

How much more the universe? The universe is an effect of an intelligent, superior Cause, Jehovah God

Even then there is evidence of the builder. Either through photos them being alive, or at the very least their fossils.

We cannot say same for a God. You believe, yes. You know, No you don't. Otherwise provide evidence. Claims do not count. Cause and effect.

Major7:





You can't analyse the things of the spirit using logic,you will ended up being confused cos it will make little or no sense. My quote was meant for those that operates in the realm of the spirit no offense

Yet you used analogy which is based in the physical. Your goal post movement is only surpassed by you dishonesty.

Major7:






So are the chickens and rams fatten up just to be killed. God still answers prayers and I'm a living testimony 🙏

And what happens to the lean chickens and ram? They are saved ehh? Even if your analogy made sense, we can conclude that since all die be die, you might as well die a fat chicken than a lean one.

HellVictorinho6:
meaning?

meaning I need money just like you.

HellVictorinho6:
can u help me with any money,please?

Only if you help me with some too.

HellVictorinho6:
being alive is beyond the nonsense u support, how dare u say music is !!;@? that is bullshit , nigeria is a proof i need 2 hear 4rm pac again, is this life? i have 2 hear biggie speaking of death ,rozay till am gone, my grave is not my concern,spits.

But he didn't say anything about music, he is technically right, aside food and water medicine ranks far above music in terms of things needed to stay alive. This is fact, not sensationalism.

Dtruthspeaker:


It is sufficient that you did even to the point of responding to me after more than a week.

You think I take you serious? Lol. Sleep well sweet child hahaha.

Just so we are clear jaephoenix clearly explained to me. He only indulges you because you are the medium to reach others that might have questions that need clarifying. But to really take you serious is only your dream.

Dtruthspeaker:


Is that how mad you are that you just stupidly jump in at the end of an argument to say something stupid? And of course as I always say, atheism makes you people blind that you do not see that he trolls me as you did everytime he speaks, goatdiot.

No one takes you serious though. Just know that.

Dtruthspeaker:


See yourself! Now that you can not answer you are now changing post by switching the burden of proof.

You are such a shameless person. You know nothing and yet get bolder everytime I read your posts. How are you getting worse than before? Do you not atleast educate yourself on petty arguments? This is serious ooo. You must be the greatest troll I have seen.