GboyegaD:
Pay your title because your heart is convinced and not what anyone tells you.

So in his indebtedness, do you recommend he pays the tithes, in case he is convinced? Say he was your father and you need your dad to pay for household bills etc...and he had that small amount to do so, would you recommend he pays his tithe with the money?

bobestman:


Hahaha you are very funny. No matter how I try to put it, you will still not understand. Compare this world and that of 2000+ years ago and see things for yourself. Even a kid will understand that many things has changed and keep changing. That's not an issue at all.
Daniel 12:4 is a prophecy to be fulfilled at endtime whether you believe it or not you will see it with your eyes.

The Creator works with time, that's why the world is the way it is. He only choose to make things clear in His time. He gave us time which is the time of the end. His son also gave us signs which are happening now. He gave Daniel a time for the book to be unsealed. The same time was also given on the book of Revelations. If you understand biblical timing, calculate the time the abomination was set up -Daniel 12:11 which was during the time the Messiah came and was murdered which made them set up an abominable thing, till now and you will see we are close and in the times things will be made clear to all. The creator works and do things according to His own time.

If you can't understand this simple things, let it be the way you understand.

If you admit things has always changed with time, why do you think these are the signs of end time? The prophesy makes no sense. Everything stated in the prophesy was already happening before the prophesy was made. It's like me saying "There will be wars in the coming years". That is not a prophesy, that is a logical statement deduced from experience and history of humankind.
Also i don't want to hear any calculation from any religious person again....you guys have always had it wrong, this won't be any different.

You don't even know how old the world is and when corrected by the expects you keep closing your ears and saying "lalala" so forgive me if i don't take your numbers to heart.

One more time Gentleman. An omnipotent Being is beyond time. That being doesn't see time. There is no day and night, Monday to Sunday for that being. The moment you said that you showed that you don't know exactly what is means to be an omnipotent being. Unless you will claim that Yahweh is not an omnipotent being.

Please be reasonable here

bobestman:


You are very wrong and you know that too. Can you compare that era with the one we are in now? I don't need to say much on that cos it's already explained up there and very glaring to anyone with wisdom. Our Creator works with TIME. I leave you the way you understand it.

Guy, listen to yourself, same way you cannot compare the biblical time to the one before it. Tech will always improve with time. That is how things will be and will always be. Unless you are telling me things were the same from the beginning till the prophesy was made. Irony that you should imply that Im not wise lol.

And seriously, did you just say that an omnipotent being is bound by time? You keep proving you have no idea what you speak of. Let me leave you to enjoy your self

bobestman:
They are signs of endtime not that The Most High God is speaking thru them. One of them is the increase of knowledge with a device that runs to and fro(Wifi) in a handheld device(phones). This is true cos with just a phone and internet you can search to learn anything you wish online without going to any school. Even children are wiser these days and can operate phones -Daniel 12:4.

The main point in Daniel 12:4 is unleashing of a sealed book at endtime which is now that knowledge has increased. This book will revealed the truth of how everything happened since creation. What you all know and follow today in ALL your Churches is not up to half truth and full of errors. So none of you know the truth or the true salvation including all your pastors and other religions

The Messiah comes with salvation, he is sun/son of righteousness that heal and save. He will purify the sons of Levi and everyone (Malachi 3:1-7; 4:1-end). He will first return to his TEMPLE not any Church and stand as a high priest to teach and purify the people. He will also send Elijah to turn the peoples heart to children(true repentance and humility). Where is Elijah? He is supposed to be here now cos the Messiah is about to show. You will not know cos He is not in any of your churches. Same way the Messiah will return and many of you will see him as the devil cos he will not come to your churches but his temple and to his PEOPLE first. You all will not understand till your eyes will be opened to see that there is someone decieving you all.

All these have to happen first cos the world will be decieved and full of corruption before he comes(Rev 12:9) The devil will decieve the whole world except a certain few. And when He comes, will be the salvation of the world that anyone who looks up to him will be saved like Moses lifted the serpent in the Wilderness. Now, there will be no need for RESTORATION if there is no error in all you do in your religions since the begining. The true Messiah taught no one religion but to live righteously and we have a spirit since creation and before any of your religions to connects us to the Creator and teach us to stay away from evil.

Even before this prophesy in the bible, before those who wrote the bible were even conceived, knowledge grew and grew and grew. There were no paper to write on, and mo ink to write with. But in their time, that knowledge was there. Why didnt the end time happen there? The truth is we will always discover better ways of doing things. Knowledge will abound and be easily assess. Such is the way of mankind, we grow, we evolve, adapt. Only non living things stay stagnant. So sir what you quoted is not a prophesy, its common sense

Ihedinobi3:


Regarding the insult matter, I'm sorry to hear that. Wherever emotionally charged subjects are discussed, that is often a risk. I try to be clinical in my approach to these discussions myself so that I can avoid negative emotions from myself and others. That is why I am no longer as visible here as I used to be.

Regarding your question, this is something I found on the definition of a defense attorney's job:

The following tasks are characteristic of a criminal lawyer’s occupation:

Interviewing witnesses
Performing legal research
Creating exhibits for demonstrations in court
Accruing additional evidence in support of their case or for arguments against the prosecution’s charges
Examining the crime scene
Gathering expert witnesses to testify in court
--https://www.lawyeredu.org/criminal-defense.html

That is, in order to prove that a client is not guilty, the US defense attorney actually does the work of building his own case including counterarguments and witness testimonies to show that the accusation made against his client either has no merit or at least is doubtful to some degree.

This example is only to illustrate a principle. The idea that you have no responsibility to make a case if you are only doubting a claim is completely false. It is a cop-out created by atheists to avoid doing the hard work of thinking about their position. Everybody has a reason for doubting whatever they doubt. The question for the atheist is what makes their doubt reasonable.

The issue of evidence is easy enough to solve...if the atheist is actually willing to be reasonable about it. But is he? In my experience and as a matter of principle, the atheist is not.

That is why the question of evidence remains for the atheist.

In short, the atheist has a responsibility to make a case for his doubt, even if "there is no God" is this so-called null hypothesis (not that I see how it is).

Ihe....the criminal lawyer's job is quite a lot depending on the context.

1. If the client pleads guilty, his work changes.

2. If the client pleads innocent his work changes

3. If the client pleads innocent but all evidence (which he is privy to) points to him being guilty, his works changes

4. If the client pleads innocent and the evidence against him/her seems weak...his work changes.

5. But in all cases the criminal lawyer's job is just one....establish reasonable doubt (or plead for a lesser punishment, in fewer circumstances) That's the whole point....

Whether you agree with it or not, the null hypothesis remains "God does not exist"
In order to move past that very first hypothesis, one is required to provide proof of otherwise. God exist is an established truth, not a fact. In order for you to make an established truth into a fact, you must first provide proof of it....


Example 1 + 1 = 2 is fact, anyone who claims otherwise is expected provide evidence.

Women are the weaker sex is an established truth, anyone can query that claim without needing to providing evidence to the contrary. The one making the initial claim is expected to establish that fact... Then anyone who questions it will have to provide his/her evidence.

Facts != Truth

Null hypo still remains "God does not exist"

Ihedinobi3:


Hi there.

Been a minute. Still doing anime and manga? Boruto hasn't been that interesting...or I'm just not that interested anymore in anime. Hard to be sure since I've done several different anime since, but Boruto was just hard to watch. Gave up on manga because I found it too unsatisfying. No color and no moving images; unpleasant combination for me. I would prefer to read a novel in that case.

About the null hypothesis, I'm not sure what you mean to say. How does the concept apply here?

However, if I am understanding you correctly, I would ask whether you believe that US defense attorneys ought to do nothing in court except demand that the state prove its case against their clients. I think you know that that is not what happens.

I may be understanding you wrong, so feel free to correct me.

As for insulting you, I don't think that comment is warranted at all. Even if you don't remember me, you have little reason here to think that I might or would. I rarely engage atheists on this platform anymore. When I do, the conversations are typically extremely brief. The one I have been having with your cohort is an outlier. My engagement with the thread would have ended with my first post, but I have run into him a few times and his arguments seem to have little self-reflection in them. That is why I decided to push him a bit. It hasn't worked, so I have stopped. The "pushing" too has not been insulting him per se either. It has been mockery of his vaunted intelligence in order to get him to actually think about the things that he says.

I have seen you around here several times too and not engaged you until now. So, you have not experienced any insolence from me. As I said, unless my memory is failing me right now, I didn't insult you back on the Naruto thread years ago either.

So I would urge you to avoid making such comments that call other people's character into question. If you have a reason for making them, it would be good to include it along with your comment so that there is no undue offense. Otherwise, it would be best to refrain from making them.

I had this feeling i knew you...how bro...been a while. Stopped watching anime for a while now.as for boruto, its a joke.

Anyways regarding the insult matter, I made that statement because I seem to receive insults whenever I ask questions on here. Its wasnt specifically directed at you,even though your post to him might've influenced my plea. Wasn't calling your character in question. Sorry for that.

Regarding the matter here is a case in point


Client is suspected of stealing some goods. Its up to the prosecutor to proof beyond reasonable doubts that indeed the suspect is guilty. All the defence need to do is call the "evidence" into question. That's all they need to do. There is no need to proof that the suspect is innocent, that isnt required. Just sow a seed of reasonable doubt. That's all.
The onus falls on the one making the claim against the null hypothesis, that is "innocent untill proven guilty", to provide evidence. So in our case the null hypothesis is "There is no God". Until now no one asked for evidence because it was based on faith...but now it is required. The rules don't change because no one was allowed to question then....the claim is still made and the null hypothesis still stands

Ihedinobi3:


The burden of proof they taught in the philosophy class that you have never seen the inside of? LOL.

Wouldn't the null hypothesis be "There is no God?"

If so,shouldn't the one claiming otherwise provide the evidence, and if so satisfied, can go ahead and ask a challenger to provide evidence proving otherwise?

Please don't insult me...we all want to learn...if i ask more questions, its not to frustrate you but to learn.

ThothHermes:
True knowledge is to know the extent of one's own ignorance -- Confucius

Yes, one's ignorance...like claiming to see spirits when you know for a fact you have seen no such thing, or claiming to hear God's voice when you know you have not heard any such thing. Self awareness is very important. It allows you to sound like a rational being even while being spiritual.

For all those who hurt others with terrible advise, may you hurt 10x more in life...i dont care what others say, i have seen so much death and despair caused by advise such as these. They are harmful cruel and down right brutal....10x will be your portion

femi4:
You re shallow.. we know, don't further expose yourself

Naa let her do so...it might actually help others to know where to draw the line hence they become bitter old crows.

Mercisharelove:



Another moniker the same fool

How christian of you. Bless you faceless lady (indeed if you are a lady). But I presevere not because of you, but those readers who might pass by to read...hopefully they may get some knowledge. The "religiousity" in Africa is tooo deep. I truly fear for our future.

Mercisharelove:



Truth be told that there is no way your IQ and pastor Chris IQ will be the same. No one knows you and would know you because of your IQ Level.


But his light - IQ has risen upon billions around the world, how about that


Countless millions of people have been healed through his IQ and expression, who's bigger than you is far ahead of you.

Dear lord....the man lacks basic knowledge in data comm by the way he went about his theories. Factually he is wrong, the guy you quoted is atleast an expert on it and is telling you, your pastor is wrong. I wouldnt go to a pastor for a prognosis on cancer...because he lacks the expertise. Let's learn to have our pastor's back and correct them. They are not beyond it. Chris might have a big IQ but that doesnt make him an expert on the subject. Also if he has indeed healed, he should visit the school of blind.

sonmvayina:
I believe in the avengers, they saved us from Thanos and all his children..they can also save us from the devil and his demons when they show up...

Atleast you witnessed it.

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ThothHermes:
"There is a thinking stuff, from which all is made, which in it's original state, permeates and penetrates the interspaces of the universe..."

Not endorsing the book though.

So let me get this straight. She has financial issues and your solution is for her to give the little she has to a God whose street is made out of gold?

Im fuming so much by the level of Stoopid1ty in this thread. What is wrong with you people?


Op: Your biggest issue was that you posted in the religious section as opposed to business section. Just because your business is failing doesnt mean it's a spiritual issue. You have confirmed to have tithe, sow seed etc and still you remain in your wallowing. Change your business strategy....stop giving out money you dont have....defeats the purpose. Take care of your family dear...they need the finances now more than ever dear...stop feeding wicked men whose suit can give you startup capital.

So this also requires bible verses? This is serious oio

MaxInDHouse:
Please i tender an apology for chatting with you Sir!
Considering your comments with no single reference to the scriptures shows how you treat God's word in your heart! Psalms 14:1
I'm here to brighten the hope of those who BELIEVE (TRUST) in the word not those who have no regards for the word. Proverbs 3:5

What i said is about FAITH: The expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not visible {Hebrew 11:1} i'm sorry this has to do with believers only because FAITH in itself is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

May you have PEACE Sir!

I apologise for quoting you sir...surely I thought you had a certain logic to your belief system...but if its on blind faith I see you have no qualification to digest the OPs question in a reasonable way...if all you see in Christ's teaching is faith, then i deeply apologise for indulging....I thought you capable.

Kobojunkie:
I think you have it upside down there. I accept His teachings, so if He were to show up in today's world speaking and doing even some of the same things He did 2000 years ago, I would probably be one of the last persons to think of rejecting Him.

When he came, his teachings were not the norm...what if he comes again, different from what you think should be? You have a certain idea of Jesus, if he comes differently, you might not agree with him....its a possibility.

Kobojunkie:
He was called demon possessed by those who had established themselves as religious leaders/authorities in His time, and I doubt many of those who claim to believe Him would recognize Him even today since their belief is mostly based on their ideas/opinions(doctrines and traditions of men) of His teachings insteads.

Exactly...you have the advantage of hindsight, that's why you talk like this,maybe even you would call him a demon had he been here today.

Kobojunkie:
I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ, obeying His commandments as stipulated.

And what are his commandments?

MaxInDHouse:


Well the one and only form of government God intended from inception is THEOCRACY, Satan is the initiator of all other forms of government!
This is the main reason why God has delayed His kingdom up till now, many like you still hope in human government not knowing that Mankind has tried so many forms from Monarchy to Aristocracy and so many others until finally America is now preaching Democracy.
There is no time now but if you study the Bible book of Daniel 2 about Nebuchadnezzar's dream you'll grasp how different forms of government kept falling until mankind now decided to hold unto Democracy. @ Daniel 2:44 we read that during the time of the end people will be changing their rulers and instead of what was prevalent during Nebuchadnezzar's time (Government of the people by one royal family) it will be the people themselves that will choose who will rule over them. But all these are rubbish before God so he will exterminate all of them!


There is no place on this planet where people aren't suffering from illnesses, crime, injustice, suffering and death, it's all the same. What we are anticipating now is God's Kingdom where everything will be perfect! Matthew 6:10



It's like you don't know what Adam and Eve enjoyed in Eden. Please let me enlighten you perhaps you can find anything closer to that now!

They have the prospect of living forever as youths in perfect health conditions no sickness will befall them! Isaiah 33:24
They are in control of all other creatures from the greatest to the smallest so they can walk anytime, anywhere and swim in any kind of water without the fear of predators because all the creatures are subjected to man! Isaiah 11:6
They don't have to work hard before eating as the works they'll do is just like exercising their bodies. Psalms 72:16
Their bodies are so perfect that they won't get tired will going around and playing with all kinds of animals. Job 33:25
They are to continue expanding the Paradisiac garden until the earth is filled with people living in everywhere on the surface of this planet.
There is no natural disaster that's coming to hurt them! Psalms 67:6-7
Nobody will grow old, get sick or die! Revelations 21:3-5

Please what do you have to say about such condition if it's not PERFECT?

1. Democracy had heavy roots in greece and rome, not America.

2. How do you know that God intended theocracy to be the one and only way....and besides why do you speak as if theocracy ended in the garden of eden? It didnt...it continued and reek harvoc....spanish inquisition...the crusade etc.

3. What you posted regarding daniel 2:44 is very poor interpretation i have come to expect. Even royal families were changed frequently because bigger kingdoms kept trying to expand their reach. There was always only a few rulers that stayed on for long. Lots of the smaller kingdoms were clean out regularly....even within the royal families there was always some form of internal struggle...rulers changed all the time...even in a monarchy. I suggest you learn a bit.


4. Sure diseases and sorrow and pain will always be with us...but even heaven wasnt the greatest place....a war broke out there....im sure if you asked the majority of canadians if they were happy in life they would confirm, vrs africa...diseases abound....but getting great medical service helps greatly to mitigate this pain and suffering....vrs the amount of prayers africans have been offering every minute that yields no results...no where is perfect.

5. If you think what you listed is perfect, no wonder africans find themselves in this filth...we really are a lazy bunch. This reeks of laziness and extreme boredom. This is not perfect, eventually we will get bored and eat the forbidden fruit anyways. Might be perfect for ypu, Im not surprised, but not some of us.


The better question is....why was the tree there in the first place? We are a curious bunch, he created us this way....surely God knew we would be curious enough to taste the fruit...someday

Sir no where is perfect, because no one is perfect....man is not perfect and adam was not created perfect, neither was eve....they were created curious susceptible to deceit (by God and satan alike)

Keep on praying for heaven...better yet, go to saudi arabia and preach there, your end will be swift and you will meet the heaven you so long for.

Kobojunkie:
I say? I posted passages for you to read for yourself what Jesus Christ Himself said.
I didn't pick quotes... I picked passages out for you to read for yourself what your Jesus Christ Himself said.
Are you suggesting that you have a special interpretation too for what Jesus Christ is quoted as saying in this passage as well?

The life that YOU HAVE.

This is where I have an issue with you...you dont seem to understand the grammar used...second time you are misunderstanding simple grammar. The life that you have is not the same as your life.

Jesus didnt preach that we should disregard human life and follow him....which is even silly because following christ means to uphold human life. So why would a man who upholds human life enough to die for humans to be saved, tell you to disregard human life and follow him? Followe him to do what exactly? I just dont get you. You think to proclaim him as your lord and saviour is all you need? Are we that delusional? The proclaimations come with duties, the duties involves loving your neighbour as yourself.

The passage reading "we must stop thinking about ourselves and what we want" clearly points to stop being selfish. It doesnt mean if someone wants to kill me i should do nothing about it. That is being foolish.

Evil reigns when good people refuse to act....then the good people become evil men because they watch with unconcern.

Kobojunkie:
What are you talking about now?
Jesus Christ was a bit mischievous? In what way?

Causing a rukus in the temple...that was mischievious...had he done that today in any church he would be called an antichrist. That's why i said that.

Kobojunkie:
Set the theories aside when it comes to the Kingdom of God and answer one question. Have you ever met any leader in your life who exudes the teachings of Jesus Christ in Truth and indeed?
Neither David, nor Solomon, the so-called wisest King, lived up to your standard of a "true, real leader", so what makes you think any man can?

Even Jesus was a bit mischievious....dont be slick. You really dont like to listen...i answered this your question but here you are posting it again....

Intentionally being obtuse just to you can be right in your mind only.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting that you speak of your natural instinct to live and protect yours, but ever considered the case of Stephen, in the book of Acts? Stephen had the same natural instincts to live and protect his life too but he chose obedience over that instinct. Why?

You speak of protecting yours and your family, forgetting that Jesus Christ commands you to die to yourself, carry your cross if you want to become worthy of Him. As for your loved ones, this is what the same Jesus Christ said.

Are you certain you are, as you are, worthy of Him?

So You say now that Jesus doesnt want one to protect his life and that of his family but die like a dog if one wants to be worthy of him?

Sure you didnt read the same bible i read...dont pick quotes out of context...same Jesus preached loving your brother as yourself...who love his brother and is willing to watch them die like dogs? You are wrong....pure and simple.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you tried my friend but Saul's assumption as King of Israel was the second face of Democracy.
Democracy actually started in the garden of Eden! Note how Satan stylishly formatted the idea of God's rulership from the hearts of Adam and Eve, then replacing God's rule with human Governments! Genesis 3:1-5
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil connotes who's right to set standards is it God or man? So their eating of this tree indicates that they want to step in God's shoes {Psalms 82:6} determining what is good and evil independently of God's direction! Jeremiah 10:23

Ever since then mankind has been experiencing hardship due to Nepotism in human government {Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9} human rulers will pamper their own children but demand taxes from orphans and widows {Matthew 17:24-26} what a sharp contrast with God's own system of rule?
He gave His only begotten son to die for sinners so that we might live forever! John 3:16

Surely Mankind's rule (Politics) will never yield anything positive but troubles upon troubles! Revelations 6:3-4

May you have PEACE!

Democracy did not start with adam and eve, it was still theocratic. Disobedience is not democracy....I don't even know what you are on about with this twisting...

Also you do know that there is a wonderful place elsewhere aside africa right? There are great places to live where the people are happy. Ofcourse no where is perfect, not even God's kingdom ( inssurection by lucifer comes to mind)

Before adam and even sinned the world was still imperfect....flaws are ways we appreciate the best part of living. Nothing is perfect, not even Yahweh (he/she regretted)

Let's fix what is ours here on earth.

Kobojunkie:
Who gave you the job of regulating evil doers controlled by satan?

The need to protect life, be it mine or others...my natural instinct to live and protect mine...that's what gave me the job. Maybe you dont mind dying and your family being gruesomely murdered...or your hard earned properties stolen...but i do....i really do.

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe in your churches let alone your denomination or cults.

not that it matters but what do you identify as?

Kobojunkie:
You are speaking to the wrong Nigerian then.

I don't believe followers of Jesus Christ should occupy leadership positions of any kind so what makes you think I would vote alone religious or ethnic lines on any matter that has to do with man and the running of his world?

Are you a JW?

Kobojunkie:
That would be between you and God. However, in all of History, every man that has ever appointed himself ruler according to God's will has turned out just as wicked as those rulers before him - worse in some case. So ask yourself this , are the wicked rulers you complain about of God's Will?

In all history? Which history have you been reading...careful dear, you are coming off as a bit disingenious with your posts.

Kobojunkie:
What I suggest? I suggest that as followers of Jesus Christ, we keep the commandments /teachings of Jesus Christ just as Jesus Christ Himself instructed.

Well since that cannot be, how do we regulate evil doers "controlled by satan"? Do we ignore them and let them kill our women and children? I need practical solutions not ideals...

Be realistic and offer a realistic solution.

Every israelite or atleast most is a trained soldier....because they know even if they are not of this world tgey are in it and require worldly solutions to worldly issues.

Adjovi:


Oh ok. My mum is from Republic of Benin and my Dad a Nigerian

Oh good, your mum is an Ewe. Lovely name dear.

Kobojunkie:
I have met so many of your so called humble people, and studied then and at the end. I find them wanting because over and over I reality the humility that is not of God is like paint that eventually peels to reveal it was merely a facade to begin with.

God never called man to be humble in the sight of men but in His sight. Our humility and obedience was never meant for other men but for God. That is why Jesus Christ said that He was gentile and humble, not in personality, but at heart where God alone knows and sees it.

Ah but your quotation even pointed out jesus asking leaders to humble themselves and serve as slaves. Please calm down...you are making petty mistakes

Kobojunkie:
The wicked ruled even when Jesus Christ was on earth yet Jesus Christ never opposed the wicked rulers.. instead He opposed those who would lie in the name of God instead. Did Jesus Christ not have the same passion for the people? He knew what was written in the book of proverbs by Kings(not the people) yet, Jesus Christ did not run for office or even pretend Himself a leader on this earth, why is that?

Jesus Christ lived the Will of God and commanded His followers do exactly as He did. So, why did He instead, choose to turn away from office, defeating the Roman occupiers of His time, to focus instead on serving those who would belong to Him?

So what do you suggest? Im curious