kcnwaigbo:

Very soon only oyel money from Ondo state will be used to run the SW

More discoveries in Lagos and Ogun.

Jagungidi:


Bro, the history is hidden for a reason. This is what real indigenes of Florida and parts of California looked like.

The United States paid bounty hunters (any white with a gun) $12 for every male scalp and $6 for women ones, they paid a little change for children’s scalp or the ones that were alive got fed to alligators.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/15/new-england-once-hunted-and-humans-for-money-were-descendents-of-the-survivors

^^ you would have to dive deep into research journals, newspaper articles published during those times to get the full gist because attempts have been made and continued to be made to hide these unfortunate events and true identities of the people involved.

Jagungidi:


Bro, the history is hidden for a reason. This is what real indigenes of Florida and parts of California looked like.

The United States paid bounty hunters (any white with a gun) $12 for every male scalp and $6 for women ones, they paid a little change for children’s scalp or the ones that were alive got fed to alligators.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/15/new-england-once-hunted-and-humans-for-money-were-descendents-of-the-survivors

^^ you would have to dive deep into research journals, newspaper articles published during those times to get the full gist because attempts have been made and continued to be made to hide these unfortunate events and true identities of the people involved.

First and foremost, don't oppose the notion that Red Indians/American Indian/Native American e.t.c are the aborigines.

Secondly, I know about the cruelty of White supremacists/Europeans , the story and the history are not hidden and are well documented, infact you yourself can access some of them.

The White supremacists/Europeans were brutal during expansionism period where they dominated the American Indians resisting their expansions across United States , their land taken , some of them were killed, e t.c

Thirdly, just like abolition of slave trade, the story you made reference to is not what is obtainable today, that's what we are saying and the reason I made mention of 16th century.
Laws have been modified several times to accommodate the interests of the indegenes amongst other modern and humane laws.

Ttipsy:
you are supporting your Yoruba brother; didn't you saw how he used abusive words on me also??

I am not, even though I don't make contributions based on being Yoruba or not Yoruba.
Sorry for his abusive words then.

Jeffy1206:
Oga! You don't have to make it a law before favouring the indigenes of a particular place... Make it law a law, it will run contrary to the provisions of the Constitution. N.B I'm from Benue State. Stop using everybody to be igbo when they oppose obnoxious policies from your tribe. 😡😕😕 In Benue, we have 3 major speaking tribes amongst others and you want them to make law and say... Employ 30 indigenes across the state and the rest 2 spots to any other tribes in Benue. How does this sound to you? Anyways, it won't see the light of day...

Ogbeni! Who told you laws can't be made to address diversity within a state? the federal character that ensures that one person per state is given ministerial appointment across the country is a similar case, if not for that will Buhari not tilt the appointment badly in favour of the north? since so many of his non - federal - character appointment is one sided and they accused him of that, which he apologized for.
"make it a law, it will run contrary of the constitution bla, bla, bla...if something is practised now and federal government has not moved against anybody, you are saying state can't make their laws.

it's not all you do in your State Benue than you can do in Kano or Zamfara state, then you will cry to the Federal Government thay they don't allow you to eat publicly during fasting, take beer , sell this or that because it's in the constitution that you can do whatever you want to do in any part of the country as long as you are a Nigerian ok ;

Your state Benue is being dominated by Tivs and other tribes are crying , may be sensible legislation will help put things in fairness for all tribes, fairness for all, and reduction in animosity and bloodshed.

I don't know the reason for this apprehension, a state just want to make things more statutory for the benefits of it's indigenes and outsiders are worried, does it mean they will seize your bread?

And I don't care if you are Igbo or from Benue (although there are indigenous Igbo in Benue), all I care for is the issue on ground and not about being Yoruba or not.

Ttipsy:
you just jumped in middle of the conversation. .

Well I think it's foolish bringing California and Florida in this argument..
There's clearly a difference between dumb and literates

He made his point in California and Florida at least for a reason, and dumb is the best term to describe him, where you can make things better, no, it's bad, there is maturity in giving superior argument without an abuse(especially if he has not abused you.)

cktheluckyman:


I am actually suprised you cowardly hypocrites know so much about the exclusive and concurrent list.So which list is citizenship or indigeneship?

What's nonsense this one is saying " cowardly hypocrites" you are putting me in position of lawmakers, we are discussing issues , we are telling you state have power to make laws and you are stupidly and erroneously putting matter outside their control in the matter, what's the issues in indegenes benefitting from their states , what's your headache in that! is it new? what is obtainable everywhere , even though no much noise about it. because this is Lagos, where you idiots call no man's land then it will be an issue now.

Jeffy1206:
such laws are discriminatory in nature. If you talk customs of the people is different... Legitimising it will not go down well with the ground norm!

Defacto, indigenes do enjoy some privileges in their different states compared to settlers as we speak. I don't think this will be different eventhough a lil bit of step up is what they want to do now , somewhat like iPhone 6 to iPhone 7, and everybody will know their place.
As we speak, are there more Igbos in Lagos government Secretariat or any other civil services compared to Yoruba people, eventhough there are qualified and unemployed Igbos in Lagos (even though if it's by population proportionate allocation) and on a flip side are there more Yorubas in government Secretariat in awka or in other civil services , this little and other inequalities do occur everywhere.

Lagos is just being talked about most because it welcomes everybody, people troop here per second and everything she does becomes headline.

Jagungidi:


The red indians (native americans) are not indigenes, a quick google search will show you who the real indigenes were.

I’m not going to deny that new measures have been put in place for the cultural appropriators, but it’s all optics at this point and they don’t mind doing it because the people they (the law makers) are doing it for have their blood in them. They provided nothing but anguish for the real indigenes.

If native Americans/ red Indians are not the aborigines of America , can you just tell me since you know.
Atleast let me know what IAM going to object or argue about.
You can't tell me red Indians are not indigenes of America and choose not to tell me who the indigenes are?
You are talking as if we are in 16th century , a lot of modification to laws and special considerations for the indigenes have been achieved.
Do you know there are special laws known as tribal laws to protect the indigenes in America? If you don't know you can read it up.
There are federal laws and their tribal laws for the indigenes.
The aborigines have attained great heights in their various field of endeavours, politics, music (in Grammy there are special several categories for recognition of red Indians for instance), Sports, Medicine, Education name it.
You are talking as if someone is holding them and they are not part of the nitty gritty of American life, they are the ones who are even asking beyond the basic/average recognition now because they realize that they are the true sons of the soil, the aborigines.

Dododawa01:


So Ambode is an Hausa man or Igbo man, or u think Ambode is from Ogun, Osun, Ekiti, Oyo or Ondo

Ambode is from Ondo by origin.

Jeffy1206:
Any law that runs contrary to the provisions of the Constitution, which is the ground norm, is null and void, ultra vires to such inconsistency... The law is ab initio, a dead on arrival...

Who told you it will run against the constitution? just calm down first.

Jagungidi:


It’s fake respect and zero love. They still keep the few survivors in isolated concentrated camps (community) today.

Are you saying the red Indians are not exposed today, not enlightened, not educated in today's world.? or are not in politics,,? even those who are still in tune with their primitive culture and who isolate themselves from western ways of life, they still give them their respect , recognition and space and they are not run over.
Which zero and fake love? those who even protect dogs and give other animals their right.

Ttipsy:
so for example California or new York should make a law stoping USA citizen from another State, or foreign national from residing and impacting on the economy of the State?? You are so dumb

I repeat again; it's high time we tell ourselves the truth in this con3 ... Because nations are not built on hate, sentiments, and tribalism

They are not stopping nada . .. they just want to give more considerations to the disrespected and disregarded indigenes, more or less like a favour, like the catchment area we find in University admission and don't see matter from a one sided view, this thing didn't just arrive from no where , action begets reaction, don't be blind to what is influencing the decision for this bill..

And don't describe someone as dumb , if you are no better, can't you give superior argument without abuse?

Jagungidi:


That’s because they killed off the indigenes of California and Florida. So it would be them shooting themselves in the foot if they make laws favouring indigenes because the lawmakers are the invaders. That’s what Lagos state is trying to protect itself from, being overtaken by invaders and refugees! Gerrrit?

Infact, with the cosmopolitan nature in the United States today, ,they still give the red Indians place of respect in laws , music ( special recognition for awards), e.t c unlike the ego and the disrespect we have here.

Lightorder:
Oga , go back and read and stop talking upside down.
Gbadebo Rhode is a Lagos indigene but was completely suppressed and stopped by people from Ondo , Oyo and the rest.
They should keep making trashy laws and think the rest of us are stupid

The Gbadebo issue is purely political!
They just capitalised on ethnicity and Lagos is no man's land mantra and the flaws of those who holds such insane position.
Those who stopped him are APC, even thugs from any part of the country could have been paid to carry out such service , as long as money is involved , including Yoruba thugs of course
Just like wike stopped people in Rivers and what is obtainable in other states.

Those who voted for Obi in the presidential election and could have voted for Gbadebo in the gubernatorial election are also those Lagos based Ondo, Oyo e .t.c indigenes you mentioned .

So don't mix the two, if you are fighting APC go ahead and fight them but don't make Yoruba people your problem or is Lagos not Yoruba land? even though a lot of them in Lagos still assisted Obi in winning Lagos before APC thugs came and hijack the governorship election.

Ttipsy:
California or Florida law doesn't limited both indigen and no indigens. The law is applicable for you long as you are a resident of that state..
That's why State of origin should be changed to place of residence in Nigeria
Look in Nigeria we are not ready to build a nation Yet! It's high time we stop deceiving ourselves and our Politicians after their selfish interest

And there laws do not subjugate or relegate red Indians , they accord them special recognition, they even recognize them in different occasions in music (special awards) , laws e.t.c and they recognize them as the aborigines even with massive cosmopolitan nature, unlike all this stupid and annoying notion we get around here " Lagos is no man's land" simple recognition and respect , they can't even give just because of ego or politics , or because they just invade Lagos to sell gala in traffic, then it has become a place of no indigenes. mtcheew!

LOVEALAIGBO:


Dude, there was no law preventing Bianca Ojukwu from contesting the senatorial position in Anambra state! She just didn’t get the support based on useless traditions, greed, male chauvinism and primordial sentiments of some antiquated Anambra indigenes and power-brokers! Their actions were wrong, and i said as much at the time!

The Anambra and Lagos scenarios are completely different in the sense that the Anambra one is a antiquated tradition not codified in law, while the Lagos one is an attempt to try and legalise xenophobia, bigotry and hate! In any case, you don’t ‘justify’ committing a illegality because you think someone else did so!

They are not legalizing hatred or xenophobia, they are just looking for avenue to regard the place of the indigenes as obtained in other parts of the world ,not this overbearing tendencies full of disrespect and disregard " Lagos is no man's land" swagger is mad.

Ballack1:
Make una tell us watin indigenes mean oo.

The original inhabitants, aborigines not settlers whose ancestry can be traced to somewhere else.
That you are born in place doesn't make you the indigene of that state, because it's not your state of origin.

AK481:
Who is an indigene .

Muruf from kwara state of danladi that was born and brought up here

None of the above.

thinkmoney:

You are a well balanced person and your argument is valid.
Still I will choose any side other than APC. APC is a violent group. Violence is not in the same badness class as chest beating.
And you see if not that APC spin meaning into that phrase of “Lagos is a no mans land”, that phrase originally had a positive connotation. It originally was understood as meaning that Lagos is a place anybody can come and hustle and make it

My brother emotion is part of human , there are some pills that are difficult to take, " it's like emotion in religion" .

Well as you said, the connotation " Lagos is no man's land" has a positive connotation but they have taken the statement to be a state of no indigenes, where millions of people from left , right and centre can just invade within weeks, and then begin to do pass themselves , a state of no indigenes and no control, especially when such is not obtainable in other states.

We need a performing government in Lagos , that can do beyond this APC madness but at this same time we need a government and society that won't offend our sensibility and take us as fools and relegate the place of the indigenes especially when the indigenes of the other states don't get relegated in their respective states .

Mind you , there is no perfect government, if there is any government that will take over from APC in Lagos, such government should do well to respect the place of the aborigines and shouldn't relegate them , alongside good performance.

JetStar:


Obasa the immigrant want to steal land from the Egunje people who have historical rights by declaring Lagos a Yoruba Land. Ole.

Egunje? who is egunje? you mean Egun? what about aworis and ijebus, the Yoruba people of isale eko?

osothermal:
My turn? Hahahaha I've never liked Lagos for anything. I'm Benin and proud of my heritage. If you mention Vancouver which I'm working towards being a citizen I'll beg you with all my heart

I don't know why you hate Lagos, as per your Vancouver , goodluck.

IamV:


Funny enough,all those supporting this myopic clamoring are those APC Yorubas from osun,EKITI,Ogun and Oyo .

They are ashamed of their ancestral home that they have to go around claiming another man's ancestral home as theirs ,simply because they are all Yorubas.

You will never see a Kano man claiming that he's an indegene of Kaduna state,nor are you going to see an Enugu man claiming he's an indegene of Anambra state.
And again,there are many Yorubas that appreciate their ancestral home even though they stay in Lagos,but you see those APC Yorubas and APC Yoruba thugs ?
.they are all ashamed of their ancestral homes that they have to go around claiming they are indegene of Lagos state.

First, I support your comment which says there are some Yorubas in Lagos who are proud of their heritage and won't carry Lagos on their head like APC thugs in Lagos.

But in other view, I want you to get this right, the emotional support from the Yorubas
enjoyed by Lagos indigenes goes beyond I reside in Lagos or I do not reside Lagos, the Yorubas in and outside Lagos go against the stupid talk of "Lagos is no man's land".... no sensible Yoruba will endorse that.

It's not about staying in Lagos , it doesn't matter where such Yoruba person lives .... blood is thicker than water.

If I make a mere statement even here in Lagos and say Onitsha is no man's land , will the nsukka man sitting close to me not be upset?

The nsukka man doesn't have to live in onitsha to say what is sensible.

It's not about Yoruba living in Lagos, this is a Yoruba issue which all sensible Yoruba should defend.

cktheluckyman:


No they should go ahead and try it.The South-south state house of aasemblies will quickly pass laws to take over control of their oil.

State have their different laws , here and there especially pertaining to issues on the concurrent or the residual list, not oil control which is in the exclusive list.

thinkmoney:

You are right entitlement is everywhere. Lagos APC played on this the last time. I maintain that nobody is dragging anything with the indigenes of Lagos.
Have you been hearing any issues again? The silence will be this way until another election year, then you will suddenly start hearing stories again

I understand you 100% , politicians played the ethnicity card to their advantage, especially APC in Lagos.


Let me put APC and their shenanigans in the LEFT and if we look to the RIGHT (even without belonging to APC) and find some other groups saying Lagos is no man's land (just because they came to do business ) then one is in dilemma as to which side to fall in .

First, APC and their excesses of using ethnicity to gain political advantage.

Second, the other group too with their chest - beating excesses that "Lagos is no man's land" (whereas Lagos has indigenes)

So one won't know where he should side.
Remember all Yorubas are not in support of APC.

Iyabo Ojo is now being targeted with unfair taxation just because she is a popular figure against APC .

APC didn't win in Lagos in presidential election for example, so all Yorubas are not in APC.

So it's now left for other indigenes or opposition of APC to be wiser and be less controversial in their proclamation and in their acts in order to gain sympathy to their sides, they should play the politics right and carry other Yorubas along and don't jettison all Yoruba just because of APC or take Yoruba to be APC, they should be less emotional.

They can even found a party and acted behind the scene , if they want to change power in Lagos.

If not for consistent resistance , only God knows where this people would have taken their excesses to, some still insists that Lagos should not enjoy what is obtainable in other states (I.e presence of her indigenes) how can one say Lagos is no man's land and they want to advance this notion in their attitude, that's bad!

cktheluckyman:


All your rants end here on nairaland. Such laws will never make any headway hence the Niger-delta states will have long passed laws to control their oil resources and what will happen to poor states like Ekiti and Osun? How will they survive without oil money?

Don't mix orange with apple , it depends on the type of law , the states have power to make laws but it depends on the type of laws , in Kano state for example , you can't just flex yourself in the open taking Trophy or Goldberg even if you take these drinks, and there is a particular punishment you will get for a particular offence which will be different from the one you get in Port - Harcourt for the same offence, so state have different laws, especially if they are not in contradiction with the national law.

So for the fact that states have this different minor laws , will not make South - South or all oil producing states to pass any major law that will put oil control under them, which it's on the exclusive list not even on the concurrent list let alone residual list .

thinkmoney:

The entitlement is there in the south south. So who says it’s not there in lagos? The clamour in Lagos is very unjustifiable. No one is contesting anything with anybody.
The indigenes too have an head start more than the immigrants... they own the land and water source and whatever privilege or properties the immigrants have acquired by which they may brag about has been duly paid for. They pay also the space for their shops. So what’s the clamour or binckering about?

It's almost natural , if not natural that a man will feel entitled especially if they realize that they are in their rightful position comparatively , my point is against those who are blind to this natural or almost natural tendency of entitlement.

Issues should be well managed , there should be mutual respect and mutual considerations, but nobody should claim Lagos is notorious for this and feeling of entitlement is not present elsewhere, infact Lagos and Southwest are sleeping are lagging behind in comparison with other region, dem just dey wake up.

osothermal:
They news said Lagos indigenes not yoruba indigenes

Lagos indigenes nice , I will always like people to be fair to one another, and respect each other, even if it's the matter of indigenes in any state or any part of the world...but in defacto other Yoruba are going to be absorbed , atleast Ogun and Lagos still have a lot of ethnic groups in common, Egun , ijebus, aworis.....and other yorubas can easily blend and don't forget the statement from the speaker " they say Lagos is no man's land, Lagos belongs to Yoruba" , so other Yorubas are considered de facto.

If I say onitsha belongs to yoruba , even a man from umahia or owerri will be angry with me.

So leave the brothers alone for now , if it's your turn , they will call you ( outsiders).

cktheluckyman:


Dont worry pass your ow law and maybe you will soon find out that LSHA does not have the monopoly of passing laws.

Infact Lagos and Southwest in general are so laid-back which other groups have admitted and described as being accommodating , so what they are doing now is even coming second compared to what other sides can do or have done, they even take their hospitality to be cowardice, they call them lazy people.....so this law you are talking about now is no issue ooooo , I believe this people are humane , they can't just be animalistic , but they just want some respect and recognition...shikena..

thinkmoney:

Dunce. I no you are complaining about fuel, but have you given it a thought that fuel is from other people’s land?

The scenario may be similar and not the same even in South - South , there are boundaries and they become hostile , if they feel upset they feel entitled by breaking the oil pipes , forming modular refineries, a lot of them had to be begged, compensated , educated on scholarship, they currently give them (non state actor) millions of naira on regular basis to ensure there are no oil pipe issues, so these are also form of ENTITLEMENT they say it's their land and they have to be compensated or treated fairly, apart from 13% derivation fund and another percentage to specific oil producing community.

The other day the rivers indigenes disturbed to death the contractors in the state because they want a great high percentage of their indigenes to be part of the project. Sense of ENTITLEMENT , "na our land be this " kind of... so it's everywhere, think rightly..

Cantonese:
Yeye people with nothing to talk about.

Na dem dey shout say end subsidy. Na still dem dey trek up and down. Na still dem dey beg for T-fare up and down. Untop na dem dey beg for food so up and down.

Always planning the impossible. Anyway, take your time to read Section 15 (1), (2), (3), (4) & (5) and see whether their jagbajantis plans are not contrary to the objectives of consitution.

Don't mix oil subsidy, APC , PDP and LP shit with this one , this is about people respecting themselves and knowing their boundaries..... the people in this debate don't have to belong to APC or Jagaban . .. ..... it's a debate of fairness and mutual respect.

ogelekpomgam:
If Lagos was occupied only by Yorubas,Ibadan will be like New york to where Lagos is...

Just like smelly environment in abia, they don't even have government Secretariat , like smelly onitsha environment.
They say lokoja is the worst state capital in Nigeria, is it only occupied by yoruba indigenes or are beautiful towns and cities in Southwest done by outsiders?

osothermal:
I hope it includes people from Osun, Oyo, Ondo ,Ekiti etc

If they choose their brothers from the same tribe what's the concern of outsiders or Intruders.

In a polygamous family, where children from the same mother are in a meeting ( not the general one) , then it's only an insensitive paternal half - sibling that will intrude.