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@debetmx

Thanks so much. Only a few questions. I know the Yoruba land has more major cities than Ibo land. I know Lagos is the greatest city in Nigeria and it is in the. Yoruba region. To support your claims, can u show me statistics showing the number of Yoruba that seek job in Ibo. I only suspect that most Nigerians go to Lagos and other big cities like Abuja and kanu to seek job. This is a safe assumption to make since even America, majority gravitate towards big cities like Los Angeles and new York. New York cannot blame witchita and refuse to hire people from witchita just because there is hardly any new Yorker in witchita. Are the yorubas and hausas seeking jobs in Ibo as much as ibos seeking jobs in Yoruba and Hausa land?

I know I have many Nigerians here in America. I have interviewed quite a few looking for jobs, they are usually Ibos and Yorubas. I have never met one housa here in America looking for job. Maybe they are not compitative.

From what I gathered from bello's speech. His isue was not that ibos don't hire hausas, his issue was that in jobs where there are no qualified hausas they will hire a non-nigerian expertrate until hausas are ready. The idea implies that there not a lot educated hausas and he will check the progress of other educated Nigerians untilled hausas are ready. This cannot be justified in any way.

More on the coup. There was an Hausa officer who met kaduna during the coup. Kaduna asked him, "are you with us?" Seeing that kaduna has a gun, the Hausa said you know I'm with you. During the revenge coup this man was speared eventhough he admitted having Supported the coup! Why was he speared? He was Hausa. Ojuku helped in foiling the coup, even Frederick forsyt wrote this in his book. Yet ojuku would have been killed if the revenge coup plotters had gotten to him. Kadunna by asking the Hausa "are u with us?" Showed that their killing was not based on ethnicity but on political alliance. In the revenge coup, I read, every Ibo in sight was shot irrespective of his political alliance. Their question was "are u Ibo?" Onece u answer yes, you are killed. Even if u are a child or pregnant woman.

To say that ojuku wanted confederation just because gowon was in power is just twixting history. Everybody knows that the ibos were being killed all over Nigeria, hence they wanted to pull out.

I guess the Danish guy who made the catoon mocking Mohammed was Ibo too. I know ibos were killed because of that too.

Nigerians hate ibos. I just hope that the yurobas will not join in this injustice.

For months after September 11. I was dispatched to a predominantly Arab muslim neighborhood to protect them and assure them they are safe. I saw some of them celebrating, but as a peacer officer we are trained to remain calm and protect all citizens of America. The leaders did not go into a killing rampage. Leader should exhibit calmness. Bush made extra effort even to protect the Bin ladens in America. Do you think that we didn't feel hurt to see them celebrate? We did but leaders had to be leaders. Army officers had to exhibit courage and discipline.

Mr bello should have said that even though there is disdain towards the ibos in his region that they should not worry or be afraid, that his government will protect every law abiding Nigerian irrespective of his tribe. That's what a leader should say. No amount of augment will make me consider that mr bello was a sane leader. No amount of augument will make me justify the coups, ethnic cleansing in Nigeria and the war against Biafra. That is simply genocide.

Also since tribe has nothing to do with where you were born and raised, but only your parents origin. why is Mr ironzi ibo? I read from Nigerian history, not written by an ibo, that Ironzi's father was from seralione.

@ cKaiser and debetmx

I thank you guys for trying to make me understand. I'm so sorry I still don't understand. I many things to say but what's the need?

Just as an American can never understand the intricacies of Nigerian tribalism, I believe a Nigerian can never understand the intricacies and working of a united nation. Looking at what you are saying from a western(American) perspective, some of the things you call faults are actually pluses. A western government will greatly encourage a group of people who go to other regions and seek to take high positions. All Nigerian tribes should be encouraged to do this because this is the spirit of nationalism, this is what will keep the nation together. Segregation is never right, we fought against it in America and today the American government fights against any form of segregation. In America today there is no exclusively white neighborhoods. Companies are probed and encouraged to have ethically mixed employees. Even schools that do not have a lot of black students give special quoters to black and will devise means to get more black students. Obviously racism still lingers in the hearts of some people but they deared not express it, especially if they are in prominent position. Racism is a big crime in America. Try accusing your boss or company of racism and watch the whole company panic and investigate to make sure it didn't happen.

Every Nigerian should be able to aspire for any position in any part of Nigeria! If Ibos are taking over, the solution is not deporting them, but encourage and educate your own people. If akintola expressed disdain for ibos, it does not add anything to the facts that we are discussing. It only shows that like mr bello he is a despicable leader. Leaders should not make such statements.

If Nigerians can allow allow other Nigerians to come to their region and become prominent, then Nigeria should be dissolved and each region should remain by themselves. I don't get why Nigeria had to declare war against Biafra. The retaliatory northern coup was done to pull north out of Nigeria. After using them to kill ironsi and ibos, in the delusion that they will create a northern state, the bristish advised them against it.

Read the other thread in niaraland called "33 reasons why north rules Nigeria" Take a clue, the north could not have ruled all these years without external backing. The western powers are only interested in their own gain; they need Nigeria unified and hating each other, so that they can cash in on Nigeria. That's why the empowered the north and secretly keeps backing them. The north is the part that will give Britain and other western powers what they want. Once a northern leader rebels against this and start to thing about the benefit of Nigeria, they will either character assassinate him or kill him. I believe Mr murtala came to this realization when he was the president and they got rid of him. Look at IBB, despite being a dictator he still comes to America. His was in USC hospital here in los angeles. Doesn't this show you that he was never their enermy but rather their agent. Abacha may not be as bad as u Nigerians think, he wouldn't be a slave to western powers.

The british never liked ibos. from my findings, ibos are ambitious, individualistic, selfish and had to rule, they would not worship the whites. Even in American history, during slavery, the Ebos or Igbos were the most difficult slaves, they often challenged their master and would rather commit suicide than be a slave. These qualities are not necessarily bad.

The problem with Nigeria is Northern Nigeria and the western powers that manipulate them back them up.

@debetmx

Thanks for taking time to explain. Your explanation are very tribalitic, its very obvious that u don't like ibos. I'm not Ibo and I don't support any tribe, but as a Christian and a policeman I'm against oppression, terrorism, ethnic cleansing and genocide. If you must know I'm African American, five years ago I discovered through DNA that I have Yoruba DNA in me, since then I have read almost anything I can find about Nigeria. I admire any body that challenges foreign domination of any part of Africa. To me Nigeria remains foreign company, enslaving Africans. I love the Yoruba culture and will support Yoruba breaking out of Nigeria. I'm happy that fany has finally realized it.

As a police man who has been trained to conduct investigation I can tell you some of the facts u cited do not point to the coup being an ibgo.
1) if the ibos plan a coup they will make sure it doesn't appear as an Ibo coup by killing some ibos. Most murderers that kill their family usually shot themselves too, at least on the leg or hand, so as not to appear a suspect. Perpetuators usually cover their traks by hurting themselves a little. Ibos I read are the most fragmented group in Nigeria, they could not have planed such a thing and keep it secret. That is impossible. At least one person could have sold the secret especially when they love money alot.

2) it is impossible for the ibos soldiers to plan a coup without soldiers from other ethic groups hearing about it. I can tell you that so many people in the knew about that coup before it happened. Even the retaliatory coup licked many months before it happened. I read that it was presented to ironsi and he gave it gowon to investigate. Ironsi could have prevented the coup against him, even ojuku told him about the eminent coup. I guess the guy wanted a united Nigeria at all means that he sacrificed himself like the great faguyi did. Mr bello, I read, was warned about the coup by a man whose name I don't remember. Mr bello of sokoto disregarded the warning and dismissed the man who went home and bought a gun. Why did bello disregard this warning? I will answer for you. Because he already discussed it with some people, the real people behind the coup, who assured him that such a coup could not happen. If Zik left because he knew about the coup, then he was only smart. Mr bellows knew too, but he didn't leave or arm himself. Think, brother think!!!"


The coup failed. They same people behind it used other gullible Nigerians to do another, cleverly calling the failed one an Ibo coup. They called it so so that northerners will revenge. The Mafia does this all the time in America. To set up a guy they can't get, all they need to do is kill his enemy. His enemy will assume he did it and they gohis enemies will hunt him for revenge. Think tupac and biggie.

Nigerians are clueless.

Stay away from hate. No people are inherently evil.

I have decided not to reply anymore because one thing is certain, some guys find it impossible to look an issue from a non-tribal perspective. To such people, justice and fairness is impossible. It ok to kill ibos. kill kill kill them, they are evil, bad, and non-muslins. Actually a Nigerian put that on fb. Tell me in any part of the world where a prominent leader will openly say that they would not hire an indigenous ethnic group. Some leaders may harbor such taught, but they dared not openly say it; they may use ordinary people on the street to say it. Zik, Fela, Ojuku and Soyinka could never say such. You support ethnic cleansing because of provocations from ordinary ibos on the street. Granted, this provocation is wrong, but you cant compare it to one done by a prominent leader. What did Zik, Ironsi say? It doesn't matter what they say, all that matters to you is what ordinary ignoramus say on the street.

To people aguing about which part belongs to Nigeria. Please tell me what is Nigeria Show me the document signed by each region declaring their alliance to Nigeria. Show me the British documents about creation and independence of Nigeria and I will show you that Nigeria was never one country!!!!

North, east and southern Nigeria are British colonies, just as Rhodesia and others. If east most become Nigeria, why don't you fight against Zimbabwe and claim that it must be part of Nigeria too? The problem is that you guys are confused because east north and south share boundaries as opposed to other British colonies, and this is why you think Nigeria is a one unified country. From my foundlings from foreign sources, this is laughable, because the British never treated Nigeria as one during colonization. The amalgamation of North and south by luggard was an experiment that was meant to last 100 years, provided the colonies are willing, Nigeria is not a country, Nigeria is the modern day ruminant of the Niger company, It is merely a company, a business. That what you guys are, the colonists make money from you guys.

Fela , achebe, ironsi, Soyinka, and fajuyi remains my hero. I have never seen them attack other tribes based simply on tribalism. Fela attacks any corrupt person irrespective of his tribe, he attacks the corrupt among Yoruba too. These people ultimately know that the real enemies are the foreign colonists who enslaved and still keep Africans enslaved, Mutala Mohamed, I believe, came to this realization later, and they got rid of him immediately as they did ironsi.

The ibos are not your problem. Listern to FELA and you will know who your problem is.

@ckiaser

U didn't any of my questions. You posed more questions which I will gladly answer.

First if white take black junior officers to kill blacks, we will start retaliating by lynching those blacks. Reports from both sides agreed that Mr kadunna led a group of soldiers who where not only ibos to kill sokoto. He described them as a "truly Nigerian gathering." Even the white interviewer asked Mr kadunna if the group was willing and he revealed that they were all armed while he was not. They could easily have killed him. A northern Hausa claimed that it was an Hausa that killed sokoto! I think the book is called "Let the truth be told." The "Ibo coup" was celebrated in Lagos and the north. U tube videos confirm this. After the coup Mr kadunna had control of the north where he paraded himself granting interviews. Why didn't any of the northern "heroes" kill him? Again where was ibb, abacha, danjuma, and Mr Muhammad? The answer is that they were waiting to see whether the situation will benefit them. If the coup had succeded and they were given good positions, they would have forgotten about retaliation. Ironsi I believe was incorruptible, that's why he was killed by the western powers that manipulate Africans.

2) ironsi had the coup plotters in jail seating trail. That is the most civilized thing to do. But Africans are not that civilized, they believe in kill killl killl in retaliation. If a thourough investigation was completed, you'd be surprised who backed up that coup. There are terrorist who have been in American detention for years. The idea to do a thourough investigation and get to the root of it all.

3) the war in Iraq was not in response to alquada. It was supposedly due to Saddam possessing weapons of mass destruction. Even at that, women, children and civilians were not tethered by americanss.

@debetmx

Thanks for your explanations. I must first say that I'm not supporting any tribe, be it Ibo or Hausa. I'm just seeing things from a fair point of view. The points you raised are interesting, but I have questions for you. Please educate me.

1) I read about the first coup in Nigeria, the five majors coup. Why is this coup called an Ibo coup when the leader of the coup was Mr kadunna, a man who was born and raised in the north? There is definitely something about the way you guys decide who is Ibo, Hausa and youroba that we non Nigerians don't understand. What's the criteria for deciding ones tribe? From what I gathered from Obasanjo's book on Mr kadunna, he was not what you people call core Ibo. Also, he took a handful of soldiers to Mr sokotos house. Were all these soldiers who aided him to kill sokoto all ibos? Weren't they all armed? From what I gathered they were predominantly northern Hausa. Actually I read a book from a northern Nigerian who in his account of the coup stated that it was a northern junior officer that killed Mr sokoto while he struggled with Mr kaduna.

2) if the ibos officers plan a coup and kill major northern officers, why didn't the north in their retaliation only limit their killings to Ibo officers? Why kill children, women, and Ibo civilians all over north. Even if you prove that the first coup was tribalistic, you must agree that the northern retaliatory coup was far worst. It was an ethnic cleansing!!!

2) where were the northern soldiers when kadunna was parading himself and granting interviews in the north after is coup? Where was babangida and danjuma? Why couldn't the fight kadunna if they were not part of the coup? Mr ironsi aressted kadunna after the coup. Was ironsi not Ibo? From what I gathered, it was the ibos, namely Mr ironsi, that foiled that coup. The fact that the the president was away during that coup was a circumstantail evidence, not enough to accuse him of being involved.

Before u answer my questions, let me tell you that all the coups ever done in Nigeria were backed by the same people who use Africans to kill Africans.

U are going tribalistic. I don't know about ur tribes so I can't go there. I don't care what his father in law said or what his tribesmen say. I'm calling a spade a spade.

Russia, Britain and USA pretty much owned the world after second world war. U can't compare that scenario with Nigeria beifran war. Russia had no stronger power to fear.

Ojuku said he went to negotiate for peace. Which is a smart thing to do. One securing international attention, he sought peace. The goal of war is not to win every battle. It is to secure a long lasting position for your people. Sometimes u lose a battle to win the war. Biafran war is battle in the war for freedom of the ibos. The war I think they will eventually win, since Nigeria is bound to break up.

When I found out I had Nigerian roots I engrossed myself in Nigerian historical happenings, in view that I will return home someday. But what I saw and what I'm reading here show that u guys a clueless about world politics. The whites use u guys to kill each other based on tribalism. I was shocked when I saw the video of sokoto telling an interviewer that they rather hire a white expatriate than a Nigerian Ibo!!! That's disgusting!!!!

I will never go to Nigeria. U guys a clueless.

cKaiser: Of course Ojukwu was a coward everyone knows that

When they told him not to go to war he insisted that 200 cutlasses was enough to fight till he was bludgeoned by Adekunle and fled for his life leaving women to suffer

If truly Gowon was interested in exterminating Ibos, What stopped him from continuing the killings after the cantankerous coward called Ojukwu fled

I already answered your question. The Nigerians couldn't continue their killings after the war because the war had already attracted international attention. The biafrans won the propaganda war against Nigeria because they made the world notice what monsters Nigerians were. That's why gowon was trying to defend in the video that they are not going to kill all ibos. He was under pressure, the whole world was watching him.

And mind you, Nigeria couldn't defeat biafra. The defeat was orchestrated by the British due to the mass rioting in England against the war. I can elaborate on this if you want. Nigerian millitary is a disgrace, they couldn't defeat bianfrans despite their superior guns.

I followed that war very well. I read writings from both sides. Nigerians hate ibos. That's the simple truth.

Ojuku was not a coward. He fourth a war that attracted the attention of the world to the plight of the ibos. Once this attention was gotten, he left. Which is a very smart thing to do. This attention still protects them today.

Watch TEARS OF THE SON. The character in that movie called Yekubu mustafer was perhaps instigated by Yekubu Gowon.

We non Nigerians know what's going on there.

madam_oringo:

If you truly believe that, then I've got a mansion to sell you in the middle of the Atlantic! You ibos are blind and unable to see, someone cursed you and he must be a powerful witchdoctor. So if ibos were to be exterminated, was Ojukwu in a position to do anything about it? After biafra lost the war catastrophically, what stopped Nigeria from killing all the remaining ibos? How did Effiong and his commanders come in to Lagos and were allowed to live? Would a Hitler have allowed any of them to leave alive? Why not deceive them and shoot them all to death and finish off the few ibos left in the east if it was the aim of Nigeria to kill off all ibos? Well, I don't expect you to reason anyway, you people have your minds made up on lies!

I am not Nigerian and I have never been to Nigeria but I have personally studied west African history and culture because DNA links my family to Nigeria. So I'm not speaking from any tribal perspective.

I can tell you that what you wrote does not make sense at all.

1) its not a matter of believe! Its a matter of recorded history! Ojuku declared an independent Biafra, not war. It was Nigeria that started war by first carrying out military police action against biafra. The same Nigeria that fails to implement what they agreed with in Ghana.

2) It was the attention brought by the war that prevented the Nigerian jihads from killing off all Christian braifrans. The killing started before the war, the world did not know what was going on. But the war brought the attention of the world. There was riot all over the world. It was this attention that checked Nigerians. This attention was even mentioned in the gowon video.

The truth is that Nigerians hate ibis, and its very sad. I'm not Ibo but I will say the truth. But the rest of world is beginning to know what is happening in Nigeria, even Hollywood. Watch the movie called TEARS OF THE SON.

"If we only have the will to walk, then God is pleased with our stumbles."

—C.S. Lewis

Nice quote!

I ordered a copy today. I can't wait to receive it.