Uchemus:
yea. it was for my Mum, and she got the visa.

Thanks for your response and this is very interesting as it does not let you put zero on there you have to put a number.

Uchemus:


Faced exact issues, I left my at Zero pounds and went further to explain on my cover letter. Some questions on their form can be ambiguous depending on the peculiarity of each applicant. You can clarify using a cover letter or the last Box on the form asking if you have any further information.

Did you get the visa after putting zero pounds? I am just curious. Thanks for your reply.

Hi Justwise,

I have not submitted yet. . I have quoted this post as instructed. Thank you so much.

Livlivuk:


Hi Justwise,

Huge thanks for your response. I am planning to resubmit today and please see below the documents I am hoping to attach. I hope it is not overkill.

1. In the question "How much money are you planning to spend on your visit to the UK?". I am still confused on what to write because the last application, I wrote £1500 and they assumed that was the amount of money my Mum wanted to spend which obviously was not in her account even though on the next question "Will anyone be paying towards the cost of your visit?" we said Yes and included my husband's details and added the cost of £1500. It appears they want us to say £0 for the first question. The question does not make it clear that it is asking what the cost of the trip is to the applicant. The form does not allow you put £0 so I have put £10 for my Mum and then £1500 under the sponsor part. Is this sensible?
2. Mum's Bank Statement and I have highlighted all the transactions of money I send to her in case ECO cannot see well.
3. Tenancy Agreement to show my Mum lives with my sister in Lagos Nigeria
4. My sister's passport. (should she include a cover letter stating my Mum lives with her and should she add her employment stuff, etc? or not).
5. My UK Current Bank Account and Payslip to show the origin of funds I send to her. I have also highlighted these transactions.
6. My GTB Bank Statement showing transfers to my Mum (I highlighted them).
7. My Azimo receipts (to show how I transfer the money from my UK account to GTB account and then to my Mum's account).
8. SU07 Sponsorship Letter
9. Letter of Invitation from husband as sponsor.
10. My husband's 6 month's bank statement and payslip including Savings Account which has the funds for sponsoring her (over £10k)
11. Mortgage and Title Deeds
12. Utility Bill
13. My Birth Certificate
15. My Marriage Certificate
16. Husband and I's Passport and BRP
17. Cover Letter explaining and addressing their refusal points which was just on finances, etc. Should I include that my Mum has no intention to stay beyond her 3 weeks because she will be lonely as my sister will have gone back and husband and I work full time and we don't have kids. My Mum does not have any friends or family here so I don't know what they think she will be doing. She is 67 and does not even work.
18. Should my sister include a cover letter?
19. I am planning to include photos of my Mum with my siblings and her sister to show she has ties to Nigeria.

Thank you so much for your help. I intend to submit tonight and upload documents on Saturday. She will do walk in on 22nd July by God's grace and the wait begins. I need all of God's help to prevent them from ruining our well planned summer.

justwise:


I hope this is not coming late? If you haven't submitted then quote this post so as to answer your questions.

Hi Justwise,

Thank you for coming back to me. I have not submitted and will be thinking of doing it possibly next week when I have calmed down and thinking straight :-). I still appreciate any help. I did seek legal counsel and there were suggestions to apply for a pre-action protocol but I have not fully explored that yet. Your thoughts will be appreciated. Thank you.

Hi Hosey,
Thanks for your response. I am not sure you may have read my previous post on this issue on the documents we submitted initially but I will reiterate it. Also, did you apply using the new online form and was it for a retired parent? Please see my responses below.

hosey:


The money should be same since your mum is not paying anything for her proposed travel as your sponsor will pay everything she needs. I have done this and it was successful. The question in another form means how much does your mum require for travel to the UK. So do you mean your mum need 0 pound for her travel to the UK if you put 0 pounds there. I did exactly this for the application that was refused. I put £1500 under the question "How much money are you planning to spend on your visit? I put £1500 and I also put the same amount under the sponsor section. This is why it is confusing to know what exactly they are looking for as the question is not very clear.

This does not mean flight. It means all expenses she will need hence flight, UK accommodation, UK feeding and other expenses [/i]I am aware of that and which is why I put £1500 and it was still refused.

Hence put same 1500 pounds for your mum and sponsor. [i][/i]I put exactly that and it was refused.

Your mum should also write a cover letter stating that your husband is responsible for everything including flight, accommodation, feeding and everything. Account for the flight money, feeding , accommodation and everything. Do an itinerary of travel. Account for how your mum will use the 1500 pounds for three weeks in your mum cover letter. Explain everything and let everything be equal to 1500 pounds[color=#006600].[i] [color=#006600]The only thing I did not put was a cover letter from my Mum saying all the above but I will include it in her next application. I did not include it because my husband's cover letter and invitation letter clearly stipulates that he is fully responsible for that.
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Your husband should also state in his letter of invitation that he is responsible for your mum flight, accommodation, feeding and everything. Also he should that hence they should focus only on his husband bank statement for evidence and that your mum bank statement is just to show her proof of address.[/i] I already did this. My husband submitted a very clear letter of invitation stating he is fully responsible for everything and he also completed an Su07 Sponsorship form as well. He included all the bank details.

From the refusal letter, the reason why they rejected your mum application is because you also stated that your mum will meet the cost of the trip. You didn't state that your sponsor will pay for everything in her trip. [i] I never stated anywhere in the form that my Mum will meet the cost of the trip and as I already mentioned several times, my husband included a letter of invitation, cover letter and Su07 Sponsorship form clearly stating that he is fully responsible for all her expenses. I do not know why on earth they came up with the fact that she is meeting the cost of the trip when it was not true. I can only deduce that it was because we put £1500 in the initial question where they said what will this trip cost you?

Because of she stated she and your sponsor will pay for the trip, they looked at her account also. Obviously they will reject the visa because she is retired and has only 100,000 naira. They rejected the visa because of your mum financial circumstances does not reflect her ability to pay for her proposed visit. [i][/i]Again, we never stated anywhere that she was meeting the cost. She does not have only 100,00 naira in her account. She had just over 200,000 but again they never needed to look at her bank statement because my husband clearly stated that he will fully sponsor her. Her bank account was to show address and to provide evidence that she was gets regular allowance in Nigeria.

Y did you say your mum and sponsor will pay for the trip. Y didn't u state only your sponsor is responsible. Follow the above guidelines if you want a visa.[/i]Again and Again, I never stated anywhere in the application that she will meet the cost of her trip. There are several letters and evidence to show my husband was fully sponsoring her UK trip and this was also stated in the application.

Look at your refusal letter again and address it. Don't rush.[i] Thank you for your time but most of the things you addressed were already included in the application. I am not rushing and I am also seeking advice from other people.

Good luck. [/i]Thank you once again. . Please see my original post for all the documents I initially submitted and perhaps you will see why I am confused by the refusal. The only thing I did not include was a cover letter from my Mum and I did not because my husband had included one with his own application.
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justwise:


Yes you can do all that you listed but the real cost of the trip is her flight ticket.

Personally i will suggest that your husband submit 6 months bank statement and payslips. You can submit your own bank statement and payslip if you work as well.

Considering the fact that you and your husband pay mortgage and bills...money in your husband's account must be more than enough to take care of those monthly outgoings + the cost of her trip.

Hi Justwise,

Huge thanks for your response. I am planning to resubmit today and please see below the documents I am hoping to attach. I hope it is not overkill.

1. In the question "How much money are you planning to spend on your visit to the UK?". I am still confused on what to write because the last application, I wrote £1500 and they assumed that was the amount of money my Mum wanted to spend which obviously was not in her account even though on the next question "Will anyone be paying towards the cost of your visit?" we said Yes and included my husband's details and added the cost of £1500. It appears they want us to say £0 for the first question. The question does not make it clear that it is asking what the cost of the trip is to the applicant. The form does not allow you put £0 so I have put £10 for my Mum and then £1500 under the sponsor part. Is this sensible?
2. Mum's Bank Statement and I have highlighted all the transactions of money I send to her in case ECO cannot see well.
3. Tenancy Agreement to show my Mum lives with my sister in Lagos Nigeria
4. My sister's passport. (should she include a cover letter stating my Mum lives with her and should she add her employment stuff, etc? or not).
5. My UK Current Bank Account and Payslip to show the origin of funds I send to her. I have also highlighted these transactions.
6. My GTB Bank Statement showing transfers to my Mum (I highlighted them).
7. My Azimo receipts (to show how I transfer the money from my UK account to GTB account and then to my Mum's account).
8. SU07 Sponsorship Letter
9. Letter of Invitation from husband as sponsor.
10. My husband's 6 month's bank statement and payslip including Savings Account which has the funds for sponsoring her (over £10k)
11. Mortgage and Title Deeds
12. Utility Bill
13. My Birth Certificate
15. My Marriage Certificate
16. Husband and I's Passport and BRP
17. Cover Letter explaining and addressing their refusal points which was just on finances, etc. Should I include that my Mum has no intention to stay beyond her 3 weeks because she will be lonely as my sister will have gone back and husband and I work full time and we don't have kids. My Mum does not have any friends or family here so I don't know what they think she will be doing. She is 67 and does not even work.
18. Should my sister include a cover letter?
19. I am planning to include photos of my Mum with my siblings and her sister to show she has ties to Nigeria.

Thank you so much for your help. I intend to submit tonight and upload documents on Saturday. She will do walk in on 22nd July by God's grace and the wait begins. I need all of God's help to prevent them from ruining our well planned summer.

hosey:

Do your mum visa own separately. Put £1500 for the cost of her trip and same £1500 for the amount we are willing to sponsor her for.
Hope your husband (sponsor) has enough money in his account. Add UK utility bill and tenancy agreement. In the invitation letter, your husband should explicitly state he is responsible for all your mum trip. Including flight, feeding and accommodation in the UK.

Good luck.

Hi hosey,
Thank you for your response; it is well appreciated. I already submitted all the above in the previous application and even more and was still refused. We put £1500 for the cost of the trip and £1500 for how much we are sponsoring her and it was the reason for refusal. So that's not the right thing. My husband already wrote the invitation letter stating explicitly that he was responsible for sponsoring her. We own our own house so no need for tenancy agreement as we already submitted mortgage and title deeds. We also included Utility Bills. My husband has over £10k in his account to show he is responsible for her.
I will reapply and show origin of funds she receives. Thanks a lot.

Hi Gurus of the House,
I am quite new here and it's been a pleasure reading all the updates on here. I am hoping to get your advice on a refusal I received for my Mum.

Background
My mum is retired. She used to have a shop but no longer has it and she is just living her best life at home in Nigeria. She does not have any pensions, etc. She lives with my sister and brother in Lagos Nigeria. Every month, I send her some support of N100000 (100k naira) for her needs. My sister and brother also give her some cash here and there but does not show in her account.

She applied for a UK visa in 2011 to attend my M.Sc grad but was refused because she did not show enough funds. We did not know how to apply properly. She has not applied since then. This year after my husband and I got our ILR (Permanent residency) we decided to invite her again. My husband was the main sponsor and these were documents we supplied with her application:
- Husband's Payslips (3 months)
- Husband's Current Account showing salary (3 months)
- Husband's Savings Account showing funds for her visit
- Invitation letter stating husband will sponsor her for everything and ensure she lives, yada yada
- Utility Bills
- Mortgage Documents
- Title Deed for the house.
- My birth certificate
- Our marriage certificate
- My Mum's bank statement (from December 2018 to May 2019)-> closing balance 100k (mind you she is fully sponsored so we though they won't look at this document)
- Tenancy agreement of their house in Lagos (in my sister's name).
- My husband and I's passport
- My husband and I's BRPs
- SUO7 Sponsorship Form

In her application, I believe the error we made was in the application where they asked how much was the trip going to cost we said £1500 for 3 weeks and she was travelling with my sister. I guess since she was being fully sponsored, I should have out £0 and then under sponsor should have been £1500. They said anyone else paying for the trip and we said yes, my husband and the amount was £1500 (it ow looked like total amount of trip cost was £3000) . Under income, we ticked family provides her regular money every month and total amount for a year 1.2 million. Now to my shock and surprise they refused her and granted my sister 2 years visa instead. Mind you, they both applied together; my sister has come here a few times though. We said my sister will stay with us and sent her invitation letter and mortgage documents + passport + BRP. They accepted all that.

My Mum's refusal:
I have refused your application for a visit because I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of Paragraph 4 of Appendix V Immigration Rules for Visitors. I have considered your application in the context of your evidenced personal circumstances and funding. You have declared in your visa application form that you are retired and that your propose to travel to the UK to visit your daughter for 3 weeks. You have further stated that you and your sponsor will meet the cost of your proposed visit. However, I must also consider the evidence of your personal circumstances and funding as demonstrated by you.
- As evidence of your own funds and financial circumstances, you have submitted a bank account in your own name. However, I am not satisfied that you have demonstrated the origin of the funds shown and how you are financially supported. I am not satisfied that this account is a reliable reflection of your financial circumstances of your stated ability to help pay for your proposed visit.
- I am not satisfied that you have sufficiently demonstrated your personal circumstances and your own funds or that they are as such that you can be relied upon to meet the conditions of visit entry clearance.
- Taking the forgoing into your account, I am not satisfied that you intend to leave the UK at the end of your visit. Furthermore, I am not satisfied that you have sufficient funds available to cover your costs whilst in the UK without working or accessing public funds. Your application therefore been refused under paragraphs V4.2 A and e.


Now I am planning to reapply and address the following:
- I will put £0 for the cost of her trip because she is being fully sponsored.
- I will still put £1500 for amount we are willing to sponsor her for.
- I will write a cover letter stating the question for the amount of money for the trip was not clear. We are fully sponsoring her.
- My sister will write a cover letter stating my Mum lives with her and still include the tenancy agreement and she gives her cash gifts here and there.
- We will still include all other previous documents.

Please I will appreciate any advice from your own end.

Thank you.