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Only God decides what door is closed.

brosiye99:
According to PTAD on their Twitter page, arrears or bulk payment to qualified pensioners would be done when government releasws money for that purpose.

I hear the nitel reps are lobbying for some arrears to be paid next year.

As beggars condemned to begging for the rest of their miserable lives.

Daewoods:
it's to take them to court back and demand for the proper thing to be done @20yrs to be paid, because these people are just playing with people lives

Now people are willing to go to court for 20yrs maybe we have to wait some more till the pensions stop comming mayb when it's late. We all have our choices we can chose to fight or we can tell ourselves that FG can't pay 20yrs and remain beggars forever. Your choice.

Am glad now that we are beginning to face the reality. Pension is no justice to ex nitel staff. This is our second chance we must be sure what we want. Personally 20yrs buyout is the way foward for me. Anybody who is scared of mismanaging it can fix deposite but always having to plead with perhaps Ptad for prompt payment of the monthly pension each month is basically living under a curse. Let the payment be made once and for all at most two instalments. Please we must be united on this.

arewaa:
arewaa
What are the peanuts here please?

With all due respect Sir. What is your interest in this matter? I heavily doubt you are ex Nitel worker.

I don't know how people think. What should be rightly done to Nitel ex staff? Isn't it bulk pay as the case of Nepa airways etc. Why would an overzealous Ptad enrol nitel staff for pension? Is it the right thing? Is it really what the ex staff want all I can see is that they are just hijacking the opportunity to draw more praises to themselves and perhaps certify their personal interests because it would be unrealistic to say that a country as Nigeria does not have 200billion to pay Nitel ex staff. Who told us FG hasn't the money? My anger is on nitel ex staff for not fighting for what they want I wonder what individuals who are supporting PTAD stand to gain. It's not right to pay pension to ex workers of a liquidated company even by law. And mind you PTAD existed even as at GEJ time why didn't they settle pension liabilities? But Buhari made it a priority and he doesn't know what pattern of settlement each parastatal deserve that's why PTAD and BPE are established but we can see what some individuals are doing because they have a mandate to settle workers liabilities. Let the ministry of finance tell us they don't have the money then we work on a modality of payment if they pay the money in part let them tell us. Pension is fraud.

Which particular union?

segzy3:
Union had already sent congratulatory msg to minister. Her husband has been called. Let's keep praying

arewaa:
arewaa
Can you imagine on a forum somebody saying......What is this one talking about..... I can,t just believe it.
However ex-staff have been warned to be very careful of small-time Fraudsters, and big time Fraudsters.
There,s an adage that says that when somebody in a crowd of bereaved start crying more than the bereaved then there is every likelihood people will believe he kill the deceased. PTAD twitter page is open to everyone and people like
............. as they say will follow. . Check it out.

I guess am now a fraudster. Am glad with what's happening to airways just so that nitel ex staff would see for themselves what opportunity they missed because they were blind to common facts of life. Like this guy who's astonished the way he was addressed by me but doesn't even take a second to think what he says. Anybody supporting monthly pension is just daft and little minded full stop. Good thing I just learnt some ex staff had d courage and didn't show up for ptad verification. Let's see where that gets us. Some people are just cursed no Matter what u do they'll always tend to mediocrity.

As you all see on that rely, Ptad would have placed airways on pension if not their union. But Nitel staff kicked against the only union that stood for their interest and was quick to sign up for peanuts like Esau selling their rights. My advice is to storm Ptad Twitter page letting them know they can't play a fast one on us. I pity people who would remain docile on this issue lemme remind you pension can't be more than 50k per month and knowing you'll always beg for d peanut. How many of us are ready for stories like we are awaiting release of funds by FG Like we are already hearing this early morning all the way from Jan. Even during this present administration. we need to see clearer we have to do something now or never peanut won't help anybody given our conditions I plead that we see the truth and act now that we still can we don't need physical protest just media storming and I bet you the whole world would feel the impact. Who is ready? Please indicate so we can coordinate this media campaign. Airways can't be paid bulk and someone would be telling us pension is best option for Nitel aren't we all same Nigerians with equal rights? Who's in please indicate

arewaa:
arewaa
Why not stop all this crap. Since Jan 2018 when you and me and we all attended the invitation to do verification, after computation, now expecting the monthly payment come the end of Oct 2018. Maybe some ex-staff living in Jupiter just came back to Mother Earth, maybe.
Talking of ATEN here is a daydream and purely an illusion. Why not go back and read and understand PTAD release

What is this one talking about? We all made a mistake going for that verification. If there was a better option as bulk payment that's where we should channel our energy. Why is this one talking like he is not Nigerian and don't understand what pension is all about. I don't believe it's too late at least nobody has been paid a dime.Sharon is a wicked person I don't understand what her interest is on the matter. But whatever airways did to get bulk settlement that has better be our new compass if not I'll still be here to scorn people who have lost their brains to think pension peanut would do them any good. I don't know for other ex staff but for people I know loads of debt are already killing ex staff nobody should b mentioning pension.

I was almost at tears when I saw the reply below. Nigerians are captains of their own demise.

Mpower:


You are correct. They should pay us all d money in bulk. Who so ever afraid 2 invest can fix it which i think is a nice option. "20 years needed to pay nitel dis-engaged staffs & Nigerian airways" elrufia once said. U can google that. Heaven and earth knows its our right. Its left 4 us 2 fight our way through. Just like Nepa & Nigerian airways. Our case should be made a (No Retreat, No Surrender) until complete justice is achieved . Pension may fade away when this government goes. Left 4 me 20 yrs & extra bonuses should be added 4 all d time wasted & stress we have all gone through. May d labour of all nitel staffs never be in vain.

Take your campaign to Ptad Twitter page. Let then know we want bulk settlement like airways if not we would all be sharing our views and that's all.

stahrkhid:
mehhnn..this is crap, they're supposed to pay the money in bulk...once again what's the fate of 2006 dis-engaged staff?

Of cause they should pay in bulk. I don't understand how people now cherish pension more isn't that a curse or something anyone who can't manage his can fix deposite it. I don't understand why people are happy to b enrolled in monthly pension in a country like Nigeria where nothing but curroption is consistent. I pray Nitel ex staff receive common sense IJN. Airways was also liquidated.

It was always a thing of choice. Airways staff would be settled bulk but Nitel staff are too chicken to pronounce their desire.

BlakKluKluxKlan:



I'm afraid this is a false alarm meant to demoralise people unnecessarily.
Was there any time PTAD promised payment of a lump sum ? Even the arrears were not promised to be paid once.
And what else is the purpose of PTAD setup and subsequent verification if not to place pensioners on monthly pensions for life ?
I cannot understand the veiled jubilation in this post as if the writter just returned from Mars and never heard of PTAD and it's assignment from the word go.

Matter of fact, the fact that PTAD took dilligence in verifying NOKs is a testimony that arrears will be paid because they cannot be placed on monthly pensions but only arrears acrued to their deceaseds will be paid to them, though may be in batches as will apply to all verified ex-staff.

I personally feel most of these guys supporting and beating the drum for ptad all have personal interests on this matter. Interests beyond the monthly payment because I can't believe there is a single Nitel staff who has gone through though years of unpaid pension or entitlement who would settle for monthly pension. How old are the youngest of them who were disengaged with more than 10yrs in service? How many more years do they have to live out here on earth that they would be pleased with the term "pension for life"? And mind you, in a country like Nigeria. We only have a topic now because this particular regime made pension matters one of their priority. Each day am disheartened that there are no longer men with substance who understand what it means to stand up for their right. Lump sum is our due by the law but everybody is quick to give up and chicken up to everlasting suffering. 99percent of nitel ex staff are in abject poverty and it doesn't seem like they'ld be coming out of it anytime soon, all a product of ignorance and cowardice. I wish everyone well.

obynolucy:
Nigerian citizen have completely lost their rights in the hands of this Government,,,,if the people verified are to be placed on monthly pension, what happens to the NOKS ,whose hopes has been on this relieve money......what happens to the still living nitel staffs that will be paid monthly pension after years of accumulated debts.ailment that needs lump sums of money to attend to their health....is it the monthly pension that will take care of past years.....why Wont this Government do the needful n pay the money as proposed, .....the money in question was called so so billions of naira n was put in the budget.....The money got approved ,,,,,why won't ptad pay off this money so people can start life afresh....why must they collaborate with some elements in the Government to use people's money for their personal business n pay them their hard earned money ,their entitlement after using such to grow their bank account!
SOMEONE ONCE SHOUTED IN THIS COUNTRY,,,,,,,,,GOD DEY OOOOOOO.....
remember u working today can fall victim of what u are doing to others someday in the hands of another,


we don't have who to speak for us, just God in heaven

But Atens warned us to avoid the verification. I'll rather say we chose what we got. So let's not start complaining.

I only wish we took necessary actions when we had the chance.

At this point everyone has to relax till August. we don't have a choice anymore, a lot of lies in the air. most of the info even on this tread are propaganda.

brosiye99:
The reason why so many came for verification was because the PTAD didn’t want to cause more controversy as the run up to the verification was coming up then.

It was clearly stated that if you haven’t served up to 10 years as at 2006 disengagement, you are not entitled to pension under the Defined Benefits Scheme. I noticed some people I know came for verification with just 5-6 years in service and expecting to be paid pension. How possible?

In order not to cause tension, there were allowed to be verified but PTAD already knew those people are ineligible. A staff of PTAD that was involved in the verification process in Abuja even said some people came with less than 5 years in service. Instead of turning them back, they were just verified. This may have accounted for the long delay it took to go through 22,000 documents to screen ineligible people out. The staff also said even if it’s clear you were ineligible, they would still have to do further checks on your documents supplied to see if you had worked in maybe state civil service before transferring to Nitel. This due diligence is time consuming.

Also some people with less than 10 years in 2006 continued working with Nitel/Mtel under Transcorp from 2006 and hence they now had their pension contributed to their PFA’s under the new contributory pension scheme. Many of these staff were paid disengagement money in 2006 and continued with transcorp. In 2013/14, they were also disengaged when NITEL/MTEL was finally liquidated and paid another disengagement money. Note that they also now had started contributory pension scheme under their Pension fund administrators. These sets of people have some income in their PFA though very small because of the short time of contribution from 2006.

How do you now expect such categories of staff to also now lay claim to pension benefits from PTAD which is administering the Defined Benefit Scheme (DBS). However, for some categories of staff such as the last MD/CEO Hajiya Zainab Sa’ab, who was eligible for pension under the DBS as at 2006 having spent over 20 years at 2006, she would be paid under PTAD DBS even though she had transited to the contributory pension scheme. This is an example that should help clear these misunderstandings.
I don write tooo much. Make I rest jare. Cheers to everyone.

Sorry it was rather observed in various units that ineligible pensioners were turned down. I don't know where your getting this info from.

Confused people! What's the aim of verification? Wasn't 22k eligible nitel pensioners verified? If they weren't qualified would they be verified in the first place, I felt that was the aim of the verification. How come after such names must have been successfully verified ptad is now saying they're going with 13k? Can't u see even Ptad don't know what they are doing. Isn't it glaring yet? Let's still wait till August its just by the corner.

Confusion everywhere. I warned you guys of Ptad but we wouldn't listen. Nigerians and dormancy

brosiye99:
This Michtz na funny person i swear. Who go dash u 20years. That was a defeated battle before starting. To each his own sha. Let the peanuts come monthly no matter the delays it will surely come. we prefer am like that. when your own monthly peanuts come, try not to spend it. just keep it in the bank to grow interest so your children go enjoy am.

Who defeated the battle? Well that's why Nigeria has remained with its problem because people are quick to accept defeat. You've already accepted defeat. How do you expect to succeed in life with such mindset maybe you have children whom you don't care about their future. Same problem the entire country faces selfishness

brosiye99:
@Obynolucy: I agree with you that PTAD is not being truthful about the timeline and this may be for reasons beyond their control such as availability of cash backing from Ministry of Finance.

From sources, the compilation is completed but they have been told to keep saying they are doing computations of benefits so as to reduce pressure on them from pensioners but alas that story would be difficult for PTAD to defend by middle of July 2018.

The payments would surely come but i am beginning to feel it will get up to September before it will start. The question therefore is that will they pay from January - till the month they will begin paying or they just start by that month.

It is necessary for the pensioners to come together and put up more pressure on PTAD and Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Budget & Planning and even the presidency. It is not yet Uhuru.

Pointers to this has been from other Parastatal pensioners verified since September 2017 e.g New Nigerian Newspapers, Nigerian Re, Delta Steel, have not been paid till now. They were also told the same cover stories of 4-5 months before payment but nothing till now.

Make we dey look and see sha.

Such parastatals were privatised thus it is not up to ptad to pay them any pension benefits but rather BPE who short changed all of them by paying 5yrs instead of 20yrs. Ptad is only meant to monitor such payments but madam Sharon is not being sincere and pensioners from such parastatals do not really know their rights. Cases have been worn on the same matter from industrial court. Ptad knows better that paying pensioners from such parastatals would only bring a calm for now but the dust would definitely be raised in future. I guess that's why they are being diplomatic with the payments because sources have it that the cash for the lump payment is ready and has been available even before the verification.

The way I laugh at frustrated Nitel workers who were quick to sell their birth rights like Esau believing federal Government had no money to pay them 20yrs lump sum. My question now is, would you say the same thing as at now? But you've all got verified for monthly peanuts from ptad which is not even visible yet after five months of verification. I hope your lives are better now? Fight for what is rightly yours, you wouldn't. We say we have bad government but we have accepted to take whatever trash they toss at us and anyone who stands up for you becomes your enemy. Well, keep waiting for your peanuts as you get even more frustrated. Finally if we didn't turn up for the verification the way we did maybe by now we would have gotten greater audience from a Government that claims to be just and transparent. 20yrs is our right, we can't settle for less after these sufferings and delay else we inherite worse curse than Essau.

columnar:
I think the argument now should how to campaign that ptad pay 3 days after verification as they have agreed before now and not this bulk buyout.waiting again for 4 months is quite a long time.any ongoing campaign for d payment within 3 days after verification is ended?

We really don't get it. Ptad is not solely responsible for payment of entitlements to ex staff of a privatised company. This is the responsibility of BPE yes ptad can supervise the process but the payment is the job of bpe. The president only gave ptad the mandate to address pension liability in the country they used it as an opportunity to bite more than they can chew.
If you follow ptad twitter handle you'll notice their last post in which they said to have gotten an approval letter from the ministry of finance and this came just as oluti's publication began to make the rounds thus using the ministry of finance as a back up and we all know that this issue is an employee/employer disagreement which could be very confusing and not everybody is knowledgeable in that arear especially as it involves a privatized company therefore anybody can ignorantly give approval. Well we will find out which holds more ground the rule of law or politics and politicians.

Sir, Nitel case is quite different from all the other cases you mentioned. The facts are there with supporting documents both from the liquidation. Do you think the Federal Government wants to form a habit of disregarding the ECOWAS court? Certainly at some point they would have to create an equillibrum by accepting ECOWAS court ruling believe me they can't afford to make ECOWAS court insignificant. Nitel case is going to be that breakthrough given that the funds for our lump payments are available and all these while some individuals have been enriching themselves from bank interests the funds yield. Everybody is at liberty at what choice they are to make its all a thing of individual strength and faith. Please note ptad has even mentioned they are not responsible for any outstanding pension so be careful with your expectations.

When faced with two options, getting your bulk money or being placed on monthly pension. Its so amazing that people prefer monthly pension and I only wonder if they are truely Nigerians. If not for the sake of the present president who has placed a mandate on all pension liabilities what would have been the faith of pensioners, was pension not a lost cause in this country? Yet people want to dwel in the past where someone can easily squander your pension fund and you start all over again to hope for another messiah who would make pension payment a priority. Please give me my money and let me be responsible for my own demise. People are heading for grater destruction and they are happy.

That's the problem we are facing today. How can you work for years without being paid what u laboured for. Now they want to give you peanut, your not even willing to put up a fight because you've waited years without nothing.Yes we have all suffered but how can we sell our right like Esau? Mark my word, for those who wish to settle for less may you find peace but we have not suffered for peanuts. They can go to hell with their peanuts the fight continues till we lose if that would be it.

segzy3:
Nawa..oooo!

That is our stand. FG can not intimidate us, if we don't allow them to.

GangsterRevd:
Just started following this thread even though I read it once in a while. Little observation...I went to Federal Mortgage bank head office Abuja to check on a document I submitted as NOK earlier this year in Lagos, at the mention of the name Nitel the staff all started laughing and told me to forget any payment. This felt very weird and I decided to know why. They said there are a thousands of petitions against the payment. Can anyone verify if this is true

Am not suprised, because Ptad is playing a fast one by including the disengaged staff on pension payroll. The question is what then happens to the outstanding 20years lump sum? Nitel was privatised which qualifies its staff who were in service and subsequently disengaged as a result of the privatisation to a 25years terminal benefit(not monthly pension) this is an international practise and Nigeria is a signatory to the agreement. Now ptad wants to thus that by the side and do what they like, well its contempt of court. Let's just watch what happens at the end.

So sorry for Nitel disengaged who think ptad would pay any arrears or 20yrs lump sum. Sorry to dash your hopes but its not the train we've been waiting for. The fight is not worn yet and we have to be cautious.

Please who has credible information as to if lump sums were paid to disengaged or if nitel disengaged are to expect lump sum. I.e the much debated 20years. Thanks anyone