nbright: If God hates divorce in this kind/type of situation... That means it's ok for people to cheat na... I will rather be a pagan and divorce her than to worship God and accept her... After all God is a jealous God, so am I

One of the grounds for Divorce in the bible is unfaithfulness. So in this case, the husband is justified if he goes ahead and divorce her. God no go vex at all

Wow, the woman is very stupid o. How can a married women be having an affair? To make matters worse she is pregnant and didn't think that it was time to stop messing around. As for the man making this public, i honestly think that he has every right to do what he wants with such information. The woman chose to disrespect herself, her unborn child and her matrimonial home. Shame was taken out of the picture a long time ago, no reason for anyone to feel sorry for her now.

It doesn't matter what deficiencies a spouse or a partner has, there is no reason to cheat in a relationship or marriage. If it isn't working for you, end the relationship or get a divorce. Cheats will always look for an excuse to be unfaithful. At the end of the day we are responsible for our actions and cheating is a choice that someone makes.

Bpriest:
You sound confused. How can you not accept something in your society and not criminalize and enforce it ? Do you think we are joking here ? You can't b neutral on a moving train. Homosexuality is wrong and you should and must reject it. Call a spade a spade.

Dude i am not confused o. If we criminalize everything we reject or dont accept, we will all be in jail for one offence or the other. I am not neutral about homosexuality. I have said it over and over again that i am not a fan. Do i think it is a criminal offence? No. That is where you and i differ. You think that homosexuals are criminals (atleast that is what the law stipulates). I dont see why they are criminals except for the fact that by making it the law, a homosexual automatically is breaking by having a preferred sexual orientation.

The truth is even without making it a criminal offence, Nigerians will never embrace homosexuality by virtue of our culture. In my mind that is more than enough because even without the law, people will never openly admit to being gay in Nigeria and people will be discrete. We dont need the law to tell us that homosexuality is not acceptable, the culture already does that for us.

porka:

Don't mind them my brother.

When they live in someone's country as economic refugees and forced to adapt to nonsensical way of life because of threat of deportation and they turn them to children who is being dictated, ask them to change their names, tell them Africa is a jungle, make them even forget their parents, think they can come back here and dictate rubbish.

Porka, i honestly dont understand you. Why cant you make a point without bordering on insult. Not everyone who lives outside Nigeria is a refugee, neither are they interested in dictating or subduing you in any way. As you rightly pointed out, man is a social animal. One of the things that comes with living in a multicultural society is that there will be varying viewpoints on just about every issue. No one is asking you to give up your point of view, however, people engage in conversations to exchange ideas. Since you have demonstrated your ability to articulate your ideas, why must you insult someone. Does that make you feel superior? Smh.

Bpriest: I saw people cheering when they heard about the bill . And you want to make me believe that there are homosexuals here ? Where are they? Why is that they don't hold meetings, rallies? Why is that they are not protesting in our streets? Why is that there's no gay pride parade? The answer is simple: they don't exist. Nigerians are not animals.

Bpriest, majority of Nigerians are against homosexuality, that does not mean there arent any in Nigeria. Of course alot of people will support the Bill, that still doesnt make it right. Mind you, we are not arguing for the acceptance of homosexuality, atleast that is not the argument i am making. I am saying that though it isnt something that should be accepted, it is also not something that should be criminalized.

pazienza:


Everyone cannot become homosexual, there is no evidence of more people becoming homosexuals in countries where homosexualism had been legalized.

As for the procretion part, if heterosexuals refuse to serve as surrogates for homosexuals, maybe the gays and lesibians can assist themselves. *grins*

Yep i know it is not possible, i was just trying to be funny

porka:

For or against?

Meanwhile, your friend didn't get the point.

He brought an argument about the future generation for opposing i n c e s t because of genetic defect and can't even see that homosexuals cannot even produce children not to talk of defect or no defect.

Which one endangers humanity more?

I meant against. Pardon my error.

Okay so the guy you are conversing with is not my friend. In case you haven't noticed, i am big on defining my relationships with people.

To your last point in your more recent post. Homosexuality is of no economic importance to Nigeria, and that is why i said it should not have gotten the amount of attention it did. Why? because we have bigger fish to fry.

At the end of the day, it doesnt really matter what i think about the law. It is already in place. For me, the only thing that homosexuality and the law has in common is that i do not support either of them. To each their own. I still think there are more important issues that the Nigerian Government can address.

porka:

Do homosexual have children generic defect or not?

One of the downsides to homosexuality is they cannot have kids. If everyone was a homosexual and people refused to be surrogates, human beings will go extinct. That to me is a bigger case against homosexuality outside of religious beliefs.

Bpriest: we have to start somewhere. When we Want to tackle embezzlement you guys ask for healthcare , when we want to fix the education sector, you guys talk about roads.na wa ?

Agreed, please start somewhere. Can we start from a place that actually has a great impact on the economy and the lives of citizens. Please start by addressing ASUU strike, Too much? okay how about electricity that was promised years ago, still too much? Okay lets do employment, no? Well how about healthcare...still not feeling it? Okay lets do corruption, still no deal? You see, the options for starting points are endless, but Nigerian government chose the most insignificant to start on. It is well o.

At Porka, Back to my first and original point. There are more important issues that Nigeria could focus on that will directly improve the lives of Nigerians. Can they address the issue of homosexuality? Of course. Is it of great importance right now? NO

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We have 99 problems in Naija gay ain't one. We can't be distracted with gay issues when have a lot of issues affecting Naija. Instead of preaching to the West, why don't we show them how we have tackled corruption? How we have raised standard of living; how we have made our country a shinning example. How would this issue solve lack of access to clean portable to 83% of our population? Where is our moral compass when we have the highest child illiteracy rate in the world? Highest child mortarlity rate in the world? Shouldn't the "good" we demand from others start from us? Naija is a sovereign state so it cannot be detected to by other countries, but charity starts at home!

Oi, God bless you. This was the point i made in my original post. Nigeria has way too much problems to be majoring on homosexuality.

porka:

I n c e s t does not infringe on the rights of others.

But you said they are sick.

Homosexuals were considered lunatics sometimes ago too.

Until they blackmailed the American Medical Association to remove it from psychiatric ailment.

Some years from now, especially when the first product of i n c e s t becomes the president of America or one prime minister in Europe, then they will come hear to preach some deranged human right.

A product of incest is most likely going to have some genetic defect. That is one of the side effect of this practice.

Look Porka, me i am tired jo. Cant remember the last time i talked this much on NL. Make everybody do wetin de their mind. As for me and my house, its Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. For people who love same sex relationships, it is their business. Let them deal with the law.

By the way, i am not sure by what you mean about following my standard. I am a proud Nigerian. Just because i dont agree with every Nigerian policy does not make me any less of a Nigerian. We agree to disagree

porka:

Now, can you see why you have to be warned?

The new law when passed will have direct effect on you personally. This is aside of the existing law currently.

In the new law, if you know any politician as you claim you currently do, who practices homosexuality and fail to report to the authority, and it is discovered that you are concealing the information as you are currently doing, you are in for a lengthy jail time.

Homosexuality is not a human right in Nigeria, you read what Nigerian representatives told the whole world at the UN.

Deal with it.

Porka, you have a way of twisting words. I never said i knew politicians. The word know for me suggests that there is a personal friendship which in this case does not exist. I worked in Federal establishment and heard conversations. I asked one or two questions and that was it. I dont know them personally. By the way my NYSC was in 2005. I could care less what those men are doing now. In any case, i dont see why i deserve a warning. Like i said, peoples sexual orientation is non of my business especially if there is no harm being done. I make an exception when it comes to incest and abuse.

So please stop warning me. State your point and leave it at that

Bpriest: We live in a democracy. 98% here are against you and don't even want you among them. Deal with. A democracy is the rule of the majority over the minority.
What will b the point to legalize that? You want to b lynched? The gov doesn't want to lie to you, people are not ready for you ,we should stop even discussing about that. do you know what they do to lesbians in SA ?check it out, this basically what happens when a law is passed without the support of the people.

Bpriest, honestly i cant tell you what the appropriate step would be o. I do not think it should be legalized. I also do not think it should be criminalized. Homosexuality is indeed foreign to our culture. I am speaking more from the point of view of maintaining ones freedom to associate with whomever they please as long as it does not infringe against the right of others or cause harm to someone else.

I hear you when you say it is the law. the law should be respected. But this is one law that should not have been passed IMO. Homosexuality is something that will probably never be accepted in Nigeria and i am very okay with that. I just dont think that a homosexual should go to jail for being gay.

porka:

It's contradictory.

We do not support homosexuality where is the marriage coming from?

You mean we should accept homosexuality but not homosexual marriage?

Try harder.

Homosexuality is illegal in Nigeria.

It carries maximum 14 years imprisonment on conviction.

It carries the death penalty in 14 Sharia compliant states in the North.

Be warned.

Porka, neither should be accepted. That does not mean it should be criminalized. I was using gay marriage as an example.

Why are you warning me? This law has no effect on me personally. But just because something does not affect me does not mean i cannot debate it. So there is a death penalty for homosexuality in the North. Well guess what, i served in the North, some of their top politicians are gay or bi. When i asked why, they said it was a power thing. Kind of like passing the baton or whatever silly excuse they gave.

Do not mistake my debating the law as me being in support of homosexuality. I support the preservation of human rights of people. People have the right to associate with whomever they please.

By the way, don't twist my words. I talked about mental illness in regards to incest and not homosexuality and my response was my personal opinion on the issue of incest. I have no idea why people chose a homosexual lifestyle, neither can i tell you why people would engage in incest. All i can do is guess

porka:

Ok, so you take them to psychiatric hospital or what would you do?

Isnt that what you do with mentally ill patients? What purpose does putting them in jail serve?

Bpriest: how can you ban something, without thinking about a way to punish those who will break the law/ban? .
Do you know anything that is banned don't have a sanction for those who go against the ban?

Or you would have preferred a fine ?

14y is too small. IMHO. Burn the animals

One of the reasons people push for gay marriage in the US is because they want to be entitled to spousal benefits including their healthcare insurance which covers family hospital visits, as well as pension and other benefits. Gay essentially refutes this privilege. It also means that no matter how much they love their partner, they will never be recognized as a spouse.

Besides isnt taking one in the ass punishment enough?....lol. But seriously there are ways to deal with this issue. a 14 year sentence isnt one of them

porka:

What about consensual and mutual sex between a parent and an offspring?

For that to happen, there must be a deep psychological (mental illness) on the part of the parent. For a child to agree to sleep with their parent, they must either be ignorant, were brought up poorly or have some form of mental illness. Either ways, the parent bears more of the responsibility in this case because they should know better

porka:

Marriages conducted under native laws and customs are not subject to that mind you.

What is the essence of your preemptive law without punishment please tell.

How has that preemptive law made i n c e s t impossible wherever it being applied?

The truth is law does not make anything impossible. Every armed robber knows that the law specifies that he be put to death if caught. Every fraudster knows that being caught means jail time.

I think the main issue here is that Nigerians can say we do not support homosexuality, therefore, you will not be allowed to get married or reap the benefits that come with the institution which in the US is a lot (healthcare, pension, etc). But to go for jail time for homosexuality? Really? It is just overkill. I no even know why i de argue this issue. Abeg where my bf.

Uyi Iredia: I agree with Miss EZ the law is wrong in the manner it handles the matter. Imprisoning gays for 14 year just for being so is wrong. A preemptive law I surmise could and should have been nade that merely made gay marriage impossible without necessarily being punitive. But then Nigeria is quite ridiculous when it comes to law. I have attended registry wedding where I've to hear polygamy ornpolyandry is punishable by 9 years in prison.

Well said Uyi. A reasonable approach would have been a ban on gay marriage, and not necessarily jail time. But trust us to go overboard. Smh.

porka:

I will borrow your question.

Why would you, a woman, want to sleep with another woman?

I honestly don't know. As a woman, i strongly appreciate my male counterparts and have no desire to be with a woman. At the end of the day, it is none of my business. My thing is, keep it out of my face, do not approach me with it and most importantly don't try to force me to accept it. As long as people respect themselves, i will respect them also. Finish!

porka:

What is the reason why i n c e s t is a criminal offense?

Cause your white gods say so perhaps.

Porka, if you have a point to make, please do so with respect.

My response to your question would be, why would you want to sleep with a member of your family? I hope you have gone through my previous post to see my stance on homosexuality. I am not in support of the lifestyle, but i do not think it should be criminalized.

At Sagamite,

Guess i met you on a good day. I can only judge from my discussion with you today. Me i no be nairaland ninja so i guess i miss a lot of the action.

In terms of interpretation of the law, i agree that certain stipulations are subject to the country's understanding or interpretation of that law. I still however think that there is no reason why homosexuality should be a criminal offence.

sultanemerald:

did you say freedom of religious association? Someone called the bible a book of fairytales. I forgive him/her. Now, in Christianity there is a stipulated way for unions. And its where a man leaves his parent's home and joins with a woman. That's the stand from a religious point of view. If they want to be homosexuals, they shouldn't make noise about it. Peeps who commit adultery don't come making noise about it or pestering anyone to accept it as a new fad. My stand is if you want to be gay, be gay in your closet. Don't bug anyone about it.

Well, that speaks to my point of freedom of association including religion or lack thereof. We live in a multi-religious and multi-cultural society. That means that we do not all subscribe to the same belief.

Back to your point. If a christian came out to justify homosexuality, that is a totally different matter and my response will be very different. I have met homosexuals who say they are practicing Christians. Hmmm, my question is which bible are you reading? God is very clear about this issue. Anyway let s not derail the thread.

You are echoing my sentiment which is one's sexual orientation is a private issue and i think that it is honestly nobodies business who a law abiding citizen sleeps with as long as it is not sexual abuse, rape, pedophilia etc.

Sagamite:

Which countries did God close down?

You want to use your useless fairytales for arguments?

Lol. Sagamite, abeg no kill me with laugh. I think he sees Sodom and Gomorrah as two different countries (They arent even a country sef, talkless of two).

In any case, i am not advocating for an acceptance of homosexuality. I however think that criminalizing it makes people who subscribe to this lifestyle easy targets and that is where the violation comes in. They have a right to association and affiliation and that include religious, sexual, traditional etc. I still maintain that who a person sleeps with is a private matter and has no bearing on the economic development of the country.

Nigeria should definitely state their view on the issue, but i really think that making it a criminal offence was very unnecessary and the law is a silly at best.

Speaking of which, I have to commend you and the way you state your points. Nigerians can be silly sometimes during an argument. I have been reading the response and it is annoying to see people calling others gay because they dont think the law makes sense. There is something called respect for another persons belief and lifestyle. I dont have to agree with it. Respect doesnt equal support. You seem to understand this and it shows in the way you respond to differing point of view.

Sagamite:

I am sure as useless as our government is, homosexual marriage is not the main issue on their plate or what they want to focus on.

It is just that the Western world have decided it should be one of the No 1 global issues, they want to keep it at the forefront of all discussions and whip up a movement to support it, hence leaving governments without options and forcing governments like Nigeria's to address it.

The West control the press and the issues discussed occur through this medium.

30 years ago, Nigerian government did not give a shyt about homosexuals.

20 years ago, Nigerian government did not give a shyt about homosexuals.

10 years ago, Nigerian government did not give a shyt about homosexuals.

What do you think changed?

No one is saying they cannot address it. I understand your point about it being positioned as a global issue, but was it really necessary to institute a law? All Nigerians are aware of where we stand on the issue of homosexuality as a country. The law in my opinion is wrong in this case because it violates the rights of people. Its just over kill for no reason IMHO.

ravgach:

Yes o! There are lots and lots on our hands but we will not in any guise worsen it by allowing gay marriage or gay whatever in Nigeria. It will be like jumping from frying pan to fire.

Do not think that because Countries like the US make it possible for homosexuals to get married, that they are not homophobic. Gay people get bullied and harassed in the US on a daily basis, however, the law makes it possible for gay people to defend themselves and file assault charges where necessary.

I do not have to support someones lifestyle to respect it. I do not believe in polygamy, it doesnt mean that i will disrespect someone who does. Let us learn to differentiate sentiments from the law. The way i see it, it is the same a persecuting someone for their religious beliefs. People should be free to associate with whomever they please, just as long as they are not infringing on the rights of anyone else. I think terrorists such as boko haram should be feared more than homosexuals. Like i said earlier, once we have dealt with more pressing issues, the issue of homosexuals can be revisited. For now, it is inconsequential to the economic development of the country.

Nigeria has far bigger problems than gay marriage. Insecurity, poverty, education, employment, corruption should be the major cause of concern and not gay marriage. One thing the Nigerian government is good at is distracting people from the main issues. I have noticed Nigerians love to be distracted as long as they can blame someone or something for their woes.

I am NOT in support of a homosexual lifestyle, however, the gay bill is very stupid and a violation of the human rights of the people. It is not the governments business who a person sleeps with as long as it does not involve sexual abuse, rape or pedophilia. Everyone has that right to privacy. To give homosexuals 14 year imprisonment term as against Boko Haram who often gets 3-5 years is really daft and stupid. Misplaced priorities all around. God will help this country.

Nigerian Government should focus on more pressing issues such as corruption, insecurity, education, infrastructural development, healthcare, etc. Once those things are settled, we can begin to worry about homosexuals.

nijanigga:
Sorry, if you're in US and working in fast food, most likely you don't have American qualifications or you're illegal alien.Nurse makes average of $80/year, depending on the state you live. Less 30-35% as tax. And forget reputations, do you know the number of Irish living illegally in the US? America is trying to create a special visas for the undocumented Irish in the US.

Ehm i am a little confused by your post. We are addressing the issue of people being here in the US illegally and the opportunities that will be available to them. Obviously, no company is going to hire an illegal immigrant for a corporate job and that was the point i was making. Most Nigerians assume that if they can just cross over here, they can get a corporate job. That can only happen if you come here legitimately (Who will hire you to be a nurse if you dont have your papers in order? No one). There is no way these guys will live as comfortably as someone who came on a student visa and got a job or someone who has their papers.

And to be honest, there are a lot of educated american citizens who are working minimum wage jobs at fast food restaurants and as janitors due to the recession. Life is hard for american citizens, talk less of someone who doesnt have working papers. Its time we let people know the reality of living outside the country. If you plan well and observe proper immigration protocol, the opportunities are endless and God willing, you can build a life for yourself here. But if you do mago mago, except you come here and start scamming people, you will suffer and go through hardship. Not to even add the fear of getting caught. Which kind life be dat? abeg i no de there o.

My people, abeg by all means come to the US o. Just plan well.

I am surprised by the amount of support these guys are getting. Nigeria is really at a rough patch and we understand that things are not easy, but with the way the US is right now, i am not sure this was a smart move on their part. Even for people who are legit and have their papers, it is hard to get a decent job. At most they will have to work at fast food restaurants or as janitors. Those jobs are no longer easy to come by and the pay is very dismal. The cost of living in the US in no joke, add being illegal to the mix and its gets worse. People are going to take advantage of them, and they will be living in fear of getting caught. What kind of life is that? i will rather stay in Naija, hustle and maintain my peace of mind. After all its not like they are jobless

One thing Nigerians dont understand is that you will not get the kind of support system you have in Nigeria when your struggling in the US. The reason being that everyone is trying to make ends meet, save and provide for their families. I think that we need to stop encouraging this migrate by force mentality. Also, their actions will once again reflect poorly on Nigeria's reputation and will probably make it harder for others to get visa in the future. It is always better to practice delayed gratification and look at the bigger picture. These guys are going to have a rough time here in the States.

If you want to come to the US, plan adequately and come through legit means. That way you can build a good future for yourself and hopefully secure your papers in the future

I really do not feel sorry for these girls. They honestly cannot say they didnt know they were not supposed to work. Nigerians like to feel sharp and break the law. Guess what, all that mago mago does not fly outside the country. Learn to respect the law of the host country, period. Once you live by the law, you won't have to spend a year begging and making excuses.

Arosa:

Which camel toe? I don't see any.

LWKMD. Dude, i dont know if you are serious, but i nearly died of laughter.

Haha...well i am a practicing Christian so i am not in support of abandoning skydaddy as you put it. But the bible is clear that faith without works is dead. As Nigerians, we can pray all we want, but if we do not begin to actively partake in the reformation process, nothing will happen.

Nigerians have the "leave it to God" mentality. A belief in God does not automatically mean failure to take action. I look forward to seeing every citizen, especially the youths who are greatly affected by the state of the country join hands to be a part of the solution. It is highly debatable that such will happen.