okeyxyz:

Okay. I believe consciousness is of divine origins since there no other explanations/demonstration of it's origin. Consciousness is the life itself. Evolution is an assumption rather than a science, since science is an observational method/process. Nobody has yet observed evolution in whatever shape or form or facet. It is simply assumed. You see two things that look alike then you assume one evolved into the other or that they both evolved from a common ancestor, Or in this case, you assume that life began from some inanimate elements, under some inanimate conditions. But this process of transformation has never been observed, thus unscientific.

And I'm not asking for an observation of this evolution over millions of years, but show me an evolution demonstrated in any lab, of the origins of the most basic units of life(ie DNA) from these inanimate elements. You don't need years to observe them but seconds, minutes, hours, days, etc.

Evolution of bacteria and fungi?

Deep Sight:
@ thehomer: your responses in this thread sir, with respect, are utterly cowardly and disgraceful.

Exactly what ive been trying to let me know...

thehomer:

The sort of evidence that will be satisfactory when it comes to mathematics is different from one in astronomy and different from one in philosophy and different from one in law. So, I need to know what subject you have in mind.

So are you agreeing that evidence is based on the views and scope of the judge?

mazaje:

The distance of the earth to the sun. . .Or the distance of some planets in other solar systems to their parent stars. . .

These distances are measured using effect of speed of light,gravitational pull etc they are just not inferred...So i still need proper inferencial type evidence from you.

mazaje:

I can accept proper inference, ancedoctal evidence is a no no for me. . .

Can you give us an example of something you accept because it is properly inferred?

thehomer:

It depends on what the subject is.

Quite an unacceptable answer don't you think? They has to be a yardstick for you no? E.g It has to be direct or atleast proper inference then its evidence to me or do you pick at will to suit yourself?

thehomer:

It depends on what the subject is.

-Double Post-

mazaje:

Direct evidence will do for me mostly. . .

Then can you specify the exceptions to include other forms of ancedotal evidence since you said 'mostly'

thehomer:

Acceptable evidence for what?

For anything, If an subject is put forward and you say 'Its Impossible' What will you accept as evidence. Will you accept only direct evidence, word of mouth, inferred evidence (Because this is present/absent hence this must be this)? Don't you have a set standard to judge something to be true?

I am opening this thread based on the debated subject of evidence and its an avenue for atheists to step up and state in simple terms what evidence is and to what level should be infer it...

So to the atheist, what is acceptable as evidence? Only what you can see, feel and touch?

Deep Sight: ^ Why una dey fall my hand na?

She finds solace in a figure who should be there for her? What if she grows to never learn that she needs a mother will she still yearn it? Its touching but i will like you to let me in on what i should see..

eyah

sau4real: “Marwa Maitatsine, was a Christian until his
death!!
Back in 1954, there ware series of meetings by the
highest body of Christian association in the
northern Nigeria, in Jos, which I happened to be the
secretary, taking the minutes of that meeting (then,
I was an undergraduate student of Christian
Theology). Part of the result of that meeting was,
to sponsor some people among ‘us’ to go to Arab
countries as new Muslim converts, and learn Arabic
and Islam. Their mission is to come back to
Nigeria as Muslims clerics, use their Islamic
knowledge to preach violence, distort original
Islamic teachings and if possible cause a riot in the
North that will make northern Nigeria a history.
Five people were nominated for the job, and sent to
Sudan to start their mission. 3 of them refused to
come back and execute their plan, but spent the
rest of their lives in Sudan as true Muslims. The
remaining two; Muhammad Marwa and Birema
came back, Marwa was sent to Kano, and Birema
was sent to Niamey Niger Republic.”….Pro fessor
Dauda Ojobi
+++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
+++++ ++++++++++++++
Professor Dauda Ojobi, a former secretary of
Northern Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), a
retired Professor in Benue State University faculty
of Law, the 3rd Reverend Father from northern
Nigeria, after Paul Gindiri, and Ganaka, The first
Nigerian overseer of Baptist Church in Kaduna, and
One time commissioner of Justice in Bauchi State.
+++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
+++++ +++++++++++++++ +
Mai Tatsine the obsolete version of Boko Haram,
which began their reign in late 50’s in Kano and
some other parts of Northern Nigeria, their
ideologies were similar to that of Boko Haram, they
forbade what Islam allowed, and allowed what
Islam made haram. They claimed western
education is sin, they rejected anything brought by
technology, they were popular with saying, wearing
a wrist watch is haram, using radios and television
is haram e.t.c. (considering the technological
advancement of that period). The spiritual leader of
Maitatsine movement was Muhammad Marwa
a.k.a Mai Tatsine. The Emir of Kano Sanusi, once
suspected Maitasine as fake Muslim when he
discovered Maitatsine received goods from Vatican
Palace. After sarki confirmed his findings, he
expelled Maitatsine out of Kano, in early 60’s. Mai
Tatsine was later brought back to Kano by Gov.
Rimi in 1979. Rimi believed that Maitatsine would
help him win his reelection through charm. After
the Maitatsine’s death, Shagari, the then President
set a Anya Goru panel to investigate the crises.
Prof. Dauda has made his submission in that panel,
but when the President, saw the report, he said no,
the white paper will not be issued on this report,
because it may result to crises, so the white paper
was not issued, till date.
Professor Dauda became Muslim in 1966, after he
came back from Rome, where he went to further
his studies, in Christian Theology. He is still alive
and has become a Muslim preacher for over 40
years. What I quoted above was from his lecture I
attended in Bauchi, 2002.
+++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
+++++ +++++++++++++++ +
-Ever since, no any Christian scholar or CAN
executive denied this statement from Prof. Dauda .
Are they waiting for his death before they deny it?
-Security operatives that always claim they want
uproot the Boko Haram mayhem did not investigate
in that angle, why?
-Why the relationship between Jerry Gana (CAN
chieftain) and Muhammad Yusuf, founder of
Bokoharam? The former has bailed the later from
police custody several times.
-I see a double standard approach and hypocrisy
by the security personnel, in the investigation.
-I began to believe Boko Haram is the creation of
some enemies of Islam possibly CAN (not
Christian), is never a creation of Muslims.
-Remember, Hillary Clinton once said Taliban is
their creation, to fight Russians.
I beg your pardon, if this write up hurt you in any
form, it’s not intended, but facts need to be set
straight. I promised to upload the audio lecture
from the Prof. Himself for your digestion

Would you just shut up..So even Musa makaniki (whom i know and still know his relations till date) was also a covert christain abi? how is the emir and the british council the same? the Professor you speak of is a non-existent goon..Take Your CONSPIRACY elsewhere

sademola:

Guy, the prof is not a fiction. I have seen him flesh and blood more than thrice unless he died this year. Even if he is a fiction as claimed by you both of us know Jerry Gana and the Emir of Kano are still alive. Don't let us speak for them. To me, all the names dropped have questions to answer. We should not belittle serious matters like this. Forget about religious connotion and coloring
being added to these killings. May be, may be some investigation could put a stop to these senseless and wanton craziness. Do not let us be a pawn in their chess game.

Oh now i see it..Why has Ado bayero continually remained mute? Why won't he come out and present the facts to security agents? Who then is responsible for Zango-Kataf? so Jerry Gana and co was also sponsoring Musa Makaniki?

mazaje1:

This is not a group of scientist but a group of fraudsters that hide under the certificates they have in their various scientific fields to promote their religion. . .They are not well know within the scientific community in the USA and their claims have been debunked many many times. . .How does AMS-Accelerator, Mass Spectrometer and using radioactive materials C-14, C-12 show that the earth is 6,000 years old?. . .Pls tell me. . .

I would to see them date recent lava flows and lets see the result.

Afam4eva:
At least you've accepted to being a chelsea fan. Let's take it from there...

A proud chelsea, exeter and Bianconeri fan

sademola: Here is the source
https://m.facebook.com/UmarunAzare/posts/565777450110427

But wait a minute, there are people living people mentioned in the writeup. The writer is alive, he should be investigated. Jerry Gana is still kicking, he should come out and confirm or deny the allegation. What are the intelligence and investigative arms of the nation's security outfits doing? We need answers not abuses, sentiment or killings.

Absolute hokum because me and you know nobody will get answer's when the said professor is a ghost or the fact the Maitasane's parents have been muslims and him an even stauncher muslim.

Afam4eva: What is there to relive? That chelsea won the UCL? You chelsea fans and your penchant of consoling yourself even in the face of failure.

and how have we failed?

Today marks the 1 Year Anniversary of that glorious night at Munich...This is a thread to relive the experiences of that memorable day

One Year Ago Today - 19-05-2012

Emusan:

With your shallow brain you can still say "if I have any objective means of measurement that shows that the earth is 6000years old I sholud bring it"

I gave you an assignment you called fring groub. Did you know how RATE was formed?
RATE-Radioisotopes Age of The Earth, it's a group well known in U.S that make use of AMS-Accelerator Mass Spectrometer by using radioactive materials C-14, C-12 e.t.c so browse and see.

When they dated remains of dinosaurs what did they get?

Emusan:

You can't see it because it will be very difficult for you to put "christians spiritual glass" on, if you can take your pen and begin to add from Christ - Noah - Adam then you can see where I got my age.

You're saying scientific evidence! Do scientist have any evidence in calculating earth age or universe, rather than assumption?

They dated it with assumption of speed of light and rigidity of time which are all flaws.

Radiocarbon dating is a radiometric dating method that uses (14C) to determine the age of carbonaceous materials up to about 60,000 years
old. The technique was developed by Willard Libby and his colleagues in 1949[7] during his tenure as a professor at the University of Chicago. Libby estimated that the radioactivity
of exchangeable carbon-14 would be
about 14 disintegrations per minute
(dpm) per gram of pure carbon, and this is still used as the activity of the modern radiocarbon standard.[8][9] In 1960, Libby was awarded the Nobel Prize in chemistry for this work. One of the frequent uses of the
technique is to date organic remains
from archaeological sites. Plants fix atmospheric carbon during photosynthesis, so the level of 14C in plants and animals when they die approximately equals the level of 14C in the atmosphere at that time.
However, it decreases thereafter from radioactive decay, allowing the date of death or fixation to be estimated. The initial 14C level for the calculation can either be estimated, or else directly
compared with known year-by-year data from tree-ring data
(dendrochronology) up to 10,000 years ago (using overlapping data from live and dead trees in a given area), or else from cave deposits (speleothems), back to about 45,000 years before the present. A calculation or (more accurately) a direct comparison of carbon-14 levels in a sample, with tree ring or cave-deposit carbon-14 levels of a known age, then gives the wood or animal sample age- since-formation.

Would you just shut up..So even Musa makaniki (whom i know and still know his relations till date) was also a covert christain abi? how is the emir and the british council the same? the Professor you speak of is a non-existent goon..Take Your CONSPIRACY elsewhere

If i may ask 'What do world religion tell us as the explanation of Animals commiting murder and sucide'

Did anyone get the award notification mail?

Checked the list and the person i helped made it

Kx: Chelsea was in uefa champ league on account of winning last season's fa cup.
If wigan wins tonite and dey happen to go b relegated from d bpl, will dey still play uefa champs league frm d Championship?

Na wa o..You stop to watch ball before may 19 2012?

mukina2:
psssssssst


goat go kick you for road

Muki easy na

CFCfan:

That means Arsenal will be playing Thursday night football. Mukina's nightmare