Its a spambot..quite sorry for the ban

Logicboy03:

My point exactly, you interpret Nostradamus's sayings in such a way that you force it to meet the story of hitler.


-Changing hister to hitler

-selecting a particular meaning of "armour"

-Assuming that the river had significance in hitlers life

-Assuming that it was not himmler


etc

Keep evading...I put it to you that God in material form is Pure Primordial Energy manifest in all things...Now Logically God must be eternal and all-powerful so also the manifest. I put it to you that you can never dispute the fact that

Energy: A fundamental entity of
nature that is transferred between
parts of a system in the production of physical/metaphysical change
within the system and usually
regarded as the capacity for doing work. Energy is not possessed but is a fundamental entity that ALL things must posses..Energy flows and manifest in ALL things.

is material evidence as only the infinite eternity of energy would have brought about the universe and the fact that there is no space devoid of energy..

Logicboy03:


Hitler was not the only war general.


There was Himmler (A Nazi war general). Furthermore, gernans didnt wear armour of steel. They were not medieval knights.



You twist and turn and remix the rant to make it fit with history so that it becomes a prophecy. Try again.

the terms Armour or armor may also refer to: Military and naval: An armoured fighting vehicle Vehicle armour, protection for vehicles or warships The metal belt armour, deck armor, turret armor, and command
citadel armor of battleship and
cruisers Personal armor, protection for individuals which of course were used in the war

Stravinsky:

I did Doctoral work on Semitics including Hebrew Antiquity. For good measure i also took Ugaritic. At the moment i am producing a dissertation on my findings in relation to the clay tablets of Ebla. How convinced am i of the historicity of Jesus ? As you may well know, there is precious little reliable contemporary evidence of the existence of Jesus,none of HIS words survive, his name appears in no known birth register, even the Gospels aren't sure where he was born, Matthew and Luke say Bethlehem, Mark merely states Jesus came from Nazareth, interestingly Mark is the earlier writer of all the Gospels. It may be useful to point out that saviours and redeemers abounded in first century Palestine since it was a sure way to gain notoriety and Jesus or more accurately Yeshua was the name of choice. Of course none of this precludes the existence of Jesus of Nazareth. What are your thoughts ?

Can i read your work? Its indeed baffling of the absence of civil records in favour of Yeshua the Christ as he did assert that he paid taxes....What can you say to be the strongest evidence against the existence of Jesus? Are you religous? What are your thoughts on the Holy Relics of Jesus and the true Holy Grail bieng Mary Magdalene's womb?

Logicboy03:


Common sense will tell you that Hister and Hitler are not the same names. You went to stretch the truth to include the river, which has no significance in hitlers life to rename Hitler to Hister.


Please, stop this. Present day usage of Nostradamus prophecies is fiction.



Prophecy is mostly nonsense even if they are true. If I say that China and America will go to war and it happesn 200 years from now, it could simply mean that I made a luck guess because there was a probability of such.

One thing that can shut up doubters like me is if the prophecy is clear and precise. "America will go to war in Jan 2099 with China"


However prophecies generally fail to be precise and such fail the test of credibility.




The future is not written in stone because it doesnt exist yet.

Hister is hitler..The work is in Latin and Ister refers to something significant which is were he were born...Remember that the prophecy says he will lead germans in war of armours of steel..is that co-incidence?

Mr_Anony: @mkmyers45, I am afraid you are wasting your time, "logicboy" and actual logic are like two parallel lines they can never meet.
Anyway, feel free to continue, I won't be surprised if this goes the way of all logicboy's dialogues and degenerates into a bout of namecalling and cheap insults

I wont stoop that low as his own trap will be his mouth..

saintvc: Can outsidas chip in some question

yes

Logicboy03: I dont have time to argue over definitions and randomness in the world.


It is clear that you have no evidence for god. All you have is twisted sayings of rants by a dead guy that you dress up as prophecies.



You'd have to interprete the rantings in a dubious way to make it mean what you want it to mean.

Sit down and think what you are arguing about

1) There is nothing random in the universe. By definition, weather is random
-Randomness means different things in various fields. Commonly, it means lack of pattern or predictability in events

2) A single drop of water is rain. Rain implies lot of drops. A single drop of water is a singe drop of water. I
-If a drop of water fell from the sky on you, would you go and tell your friends that it rained?

Do i smell a quiter? Weather is bieng predicted daily with fair accuracy and that is an undeniable fact....If you are sure weather prediction is random then cite your source. You are bieng quite lay in your submissions innit? Prophecy is something you cant dispute and that i have shown...so calling it a rant takes nothing away. You are telling us why atheism is for all so its in line to answer questions opposing atheism

Reyginus: I dont think so. Before we talk of measuring the non-existent, we must 'know' how the 'thing' can be non-existent.

Can we then speak of time when nothing existed?

Logicboy03:



Rain; The condensed moisture of the atmosphere falling visibly in separate drops



Dictionary definition

A single drop of condensed moisture falling from the atmosphere and visible is called what? You are failed to show any random mechanism in the world..

Logicboy03:


And I was born in delta sate near the ocean. A prophecy about me talking about the ocean is quite nonsense.

and your point is? Its obvious that its prophecy..that you cannot discount can you?

NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN #4 - 68 In a place very close, not far from
Venice, En lieu bien proche non eslignie de
Venus, The two (agree to) expand into
Asia & Africa Les deux plus grans de Asia &
Afrique From the Rhine, & that Hitler will
now speak for Venice. Du Rhin & Hister qu'on dira sont
Venus. Cries, tears, at Malta & the coast of
Liguria. Cris, pleurs, a Malta & coste
Ligustique.

This quatrain tells us about a
secret meeting that took place
between Adolf Hitler and Italy's
dictator Benito Mussolini on June
2nd, 1940 at the Brenner Pass near
Venice, to discuss Italy's formal entry into WWII. It was agreed at
this meeting that Mussolini would
declare war on Britain and France,
and that Italy would initiate an
African campaign. Adolf Hitler
would then complete the Tripartite Treaty with the Japanese extending the war into Asia. Just
over a week later, on June 10th,
1940, Italian forces began their
attacks on the island of Malta and
the Ligurian coast of France.

musKeeto:
A droplet ..
Just being naughty.. continue with the interrogation interview

Its obvious innit?

Logicboy03:

unnoticeable

I will permit your elusive answers to the fact that even a drop of water is rain.

Logicboy03:


That is wishful thinking there bro. The source of many crazy conspiracy theories.


So, you decode what someone says with the biggest stretch of coincidences to make it a prophecy?


You now stretch it to believing that Hitler was born close to the banks of the river?

Adolph Hitler was born in a municipal in present day Linz, Austria, which lies on the Danube River.

Logicboy03:


Nonsense

What? A droplet of water from the cloud is what?

Logicboy03:



Climate and weather are different terms.

Knowing how something works doesnt mean that it is not random. One can randomly select people from a group by spinning a bottle. You know the technique but it is still random.


Weather is affected by so many variables that can change over periods of time that weather forecasts are only slightly accurate. Hw many times has BBC predicted a rainy day and we got a cloudy day in london? Many times.

Do you know that even if a single droplet of water falls that it has indeed rained?

Logicboy03:


What dirty prophecy is that? What did he prophesy?

That is nonsense rambling- there is no clear statement of events in that rant.


Nostradamus never even mentioned hitler. He mentioned "hister"

You truly do not have the heart of a learner..anyway The
word "Hister" is a
combination of the two words "Hitler" and "Ister," thus providing both the name and place of origin of the infamous Nazi leader. The word "Ister" was the Latin name for the Danube River in Germany, upon whose banks Adolf Hitler was born.

Logicboy03:


There is no evidence for the supernatural. None.
Example of something random; the weather.

The atmosphere is a chaotic system and that is why weather prediction is not always accuarate. The weather is affected by so many variables.


Just like the flight of a butterfly

Is Prophecy not an evidence for the supernatural?

NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN #2 - 24 Wildmen ferocious with anger,
crosssover rivers, Bestes farouches de faim fleuves
tranner, The greater part of the battlefield
will be against Hitler; Plus part du champ encontre Hister
sera; In armor of steel they will make
the great assault, En cage de fer le grand fera treisner, When the child of Germany will
heed no one. Quand rien enfant de Germain
observera.

I give you Nostradamus prediction of Hitler. How did nostradamus gain such knowledge?

Logicboy03:


There is no evidence for the supernatural. None.
Example of something random; the weather.

The atmosphere is a chaotic system and that is why weather prediction is not always accuarate. The weather is affected by so many variables.


Just like the flight of a butterfly

The weather is not in anyway random...Factors affect is indeed what makes it orderly as for all we know Climate is stable but liable to change. Butterflies employ a variety of
aerodynamic mechanisms to
accomplish their graceful mid-
air maneuvers.

Logicboy03:


Atheism is based on the lack of evidence for a god. When there is evidence, I will change my belief. For you to claim that I am no longer looking for truth is quite foolish and insulting.


The universe has both order and randomness.

No its not insulting as there is indeed evidence for the existence of deities which the atheist chooses to reject based on certain factors..Kindly point out anything random in the universe.

Stravinsky:

No, i do not have the books, but i have used them in research. I believe the second book is probably online. I agree that Josephus' Testimunium has had a blatant insertion. The Comma Johanneum does present a problem indeed as does the Gospel of John generally. As for the Pericope Adulterae, it appears in neither the Codex Sinaiticus nor the Vaticanus.

What research did you undertake? Historically how are convinced of the existence of Jesus?

Logicboy03:


How has my search for truth stopped? Ask better questions!

what do you mean by laws governing the universe?

Atheism is the absolute non-belief in all Deities isn't it? Then that means that to you no god exist at the moment innit? Then its only logical to conclude that you search is over..if you discontend this then indeed your non-belief is not total...I then go on to ask Is the mechanics of the universe random in nature?

obadiah777:

frosbel: Knight of Logic

Is this some kind of Joke ?

Yes it is, One too noble for you to catch..

Logicboy03:


Evidence is material or at least, a logical conclusion from material evidence.


The strongest argument for atheism is a simple one, there is no evidence for god. The religious people have failed to bring evidence for god. If there was undeniable evidence someone would have won the nobel prize by now for proving god when no one has done so in thousands of years.


The burden of proof is on the claimant. You believe in god? The define god and bring your evidence for him. Most christians fail in even having a consistent definition of god, talk less of bringing the evidence

Why has you search for the truth stopped and why then do you seek Universal atheism? From a logical point of view explain the laws governing the universe?

Stravinsky: @ Mkmyers45
Yes it is compelling indication that Jesus was a member of the Essene community.

With respect to Eusebius

1. Eusebius 'Historia Ecclesiastica' Ch.8 P.21
He states he was by no means scrupulous in recording the whole truth about the early christians in the various works he has left behind

2. Rise and fall of the Roman Empire : '' Eusebius indirectly confesses that he had included stories that would do credit to the glory of Christianity and that he had suppressed all that could tend to discredit it'' (Eusebius and the Christian Martyrs Ch. 16 Pg 197)

Do you have the books? I know he forged Testimunium Flavalium...and i suspect the Comma Johanneum and the Pericope Adulterae too

Logicboy03:

Christianity, Judaism, Islam my local pagan religion.

Beyond that, I simply ask any other religion to bring evidence for their god and I will believe.

What is evidence to you,what can you say to be the Strongest argurment for atheism and Why has you search for the truth stopped?

Logicboy03:


1) Atheism; the disbelief in God due to the lack of evidence for him




2) I first lost my belief in God (the christian god) through slavery which I will go into further. However, the main reason for the non-existence of god is the lack of evidence for him. Furthermore, the religions I know all have paradoxical and self-refuting gods. They claim that god is omnipotent (but can he make a rock that he can not move?) god is omniscient (why would such a god test people's faith?) etc.

How many religions/gods did you study to arrive at your unbelief?

Logicboy03:


No probs

www.nairaland.com/1098081/arise-sir-logicboy-knight-logic#12893224

Rules: Lets keep it clean and to the point, No Fighting Please Lets Discuss 'Atheism' Let me keep start it by asking you
to 1. Define Atheism in your own
words 2. Why and How are you
convinced there is no god?

To them who hear so much to fear..Even to the brave; Fits of Doubts, To the weak; Quakes of Agony. He that hath such name let him be herald...Logicboy come and answer to the plea of the unlearned to indeed see the secret of thy logic..

Indeed strong evidence point to Jesus being Essence...Can you post your source on Eusebius admittance to scriptural alteration?