Mr_Anony:
The question now following would be: What does it mean to be the cause of the universe?
I suggest to you that such a cause must necessarily be outside nature and spacetime

Do you agree? If not, please provide your contentions

Why? what if this universe is the expansion of a multi-verse? Definitely you cannot discount nature and space-time

dorox: Crazyman deserves some credit for his effort if not his delivery. He was brave enough to step up to his self appointed challenge as mouthpiece of christians but failed miserably to deliver.
Mr Anony whom i disagree with on many issuesof faith gave a far more credible defence of God on a thread that wasn't his.
I am handicapped by my poor writing skill to mount a proper dedence of some of the questions our atheist "friends" throw at us.
Some of these questions like: Why did God not make his creature to be always good?surely one can excercise freewill in an infinte number good ways they would reply in answer to freewill defence. A friend of mine once asserted that God if he exist was evil to some extent because, he encompasses everything, the universal set if you will and every other thing a subset. That means that no thaught, action, material or indeed anything real or abstract can exist if it is not already part of god.
Questions like this are complex, as christians we should not shy away from them. finding answers to them deepens our understanding and helps us appreciate the God we serve all the more.

Everyone believes himself a priori to be perfectly free, even in his individual actions, and thinks that at every moment he can commence another manner of life. ... But a posteriori, through experience, he finds to his astonishment that he is not free, but subjected to necessity, that in spite of all his resolutions and reflections he does not change his conduct, and that from the beginning of his life to the end of it, he must carry out the very character which he himself condemns...

“Experience teaches us no less clearly than reason, that men believe themselves to be free, simply because they are conscious of their actions, and unconscious of the causes whereby those actions are determined.”

and i insist that "You can do what you will, but in any given moment of your life you can will only one definite thing and absolutely nothing other than that one thing."

dominique:

was referring to mkmyers45

Ok

wirinet: Mkmyers45, let me help you put. The question should be, how did FRESH WATER fishes survive the flood, since 45% of all fishes are fresh water fishes.
You can thank me later.

Now let's see how they wriggle out of this one.

I dare anyone to answer this....

Thank you...didn't quite think of this..

Goshen360:

Na lie abeg.....my paypal account na same as my email. I never get anything. just put small change inside my paypal account and I will send you a detailed equivalent now now.....o ya, straight to goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. Paypal account, online na express thing you know.....

Ok...recieve my widows mite

plaetton:
approximately 55.8cm

See this:

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

15 cubits * 55.8 cm = 837cm approx 8.37m and it covered the mountains

Chubhie: Tis a pleasure bro...Lemme say that cos of the secret teachings of all ages you listed,I have gotten it now and trying to digest it slowly so as to see through the mind of the writers.

I believe the author is trying to all spiritualism and teachings as we know it..

plaetton:

the Egyptian Cubit is about 52.3 cm

I believe the biblical cubit is about the lenght of an average fore arm from the shoulder to the middle finger.

How many cm?

Goshen360:

Go online or get a study bible. Most study bible has the equivalents in modern day. Besides, if you want me to give you the equivalent, I will request "tithe and offering" specifically from you so as to make the job faster.

What y' think?

Ok...i don send am

Abeg answer me sharp-sharp

Funny how ignorant you sound...so because your system was on for months, that makes it superior to humans.

If I may ask you...how long have you stayed on this earth? Can you compare your the length of your stay on this planet to that of your computer system.

Stop falling my hand biko.

Computers are smarter,more efficient,faster and all

Simple

I John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

Also,

The fifteen Apocryphal books which the Roman Catholics have included in their Bibles, come from a collection of about eighteen or more books written during the Inter-testamental Period. This period of four hundred years began with God giving the last book of the Old Testament which was Malachi. The Inter-testamental period ended with the coming of Christ and the writing of the New Testament. During this four hundred years God sent no prophets to Israel and was silent giving no written revelation.

The word "apocrypha" means "of questionable authenticity." These are called non canonical books because when the canon of Scriptures (the sixty six books of the Old and New Testaments) was accepted by the early Christians they recognized that these books contained spurious material and therefore were not inspired of God. Other names for these books are "hidden" or "deuterocanonical" books. These books are also called "pseudepigraphal", meaning "false writings" to designate them as spurious and unauthentic books of the late centuries B. C. and early centuries A. D. These books contain religious folklore and have never been considered inspired of God by biblical Christians from the earliest times of churches.

Some have referred to these books as the missing books of the Bible and conclude they are new discovers which are part of God's revelation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The sixty six books that comprise the Old and Testament are God's revelation to man and when John completed the Book of Revelation, God's word to man was complete. God has not added to His revelation since. The content of these spurious books shows them to be inspired of man...not God. It is also noteworthy that the Roman Catholic church which is a false church with false doctrines and pagan teachings accepts these books as scripture. Further, some of the cults including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Mormons, also accept them as scripture. No biblical Christians or churches have ever accept them as such. The fact is there are no lost books of the Bible.

These books or writings from the Apocrypha that the Roman Catholic Church claims are inspired are Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, 1 & 2 Maccabees, Letter of Jeremiah, additions to Esther, Prayer of Azariah, Susanna (Daniel 13), and Bel and the Dragon (Daniel 14). Three other Apocryphal books in the Septuagint, the Prayer of Manasseh, and 1 & 2 Esdras, are not considered to be inspired or canonical by the Roman Catholic Church. These books were not accepted by the Roman Catholic church until 1546 in the Council of Trent. Therefore for over 1300 years, since the inception of the Roman Church in the fourth Century, even they did not considered them inspired.

If you ask me, I accept that those books exists, therefore proves that some years are actually missing in the bible.

Oga i know, the genealogy of Jesus says...Adam-Seth-...to Noah-Abraham....David...Up to Jesus

and this genealogy is properly explained and ages given so what missing years are you talking about? Is Adam not equal to Jesus?

According to the Bible evil became a reality in the very beginning with the first couple (Adam and Eve as you and I know). Sin produces evil. Gen 2:9 The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

God instructed Adam to eat of the tree of life and nearby it was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that he was to avoid eating from or would receive death. Gen 3:5”For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

We find when Eve and Adam ate from the tree and God said they had become as one of us – “knowing good and evil. God would have eventually instructed them on evil but now they learned of it by experience, something God did not intend.

Later we see God comment on the spread of sin which resulted in wickedness in action and evil in thought. Gen 6:5 “Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

God had to judge the earth because of this pandemic of evil from sin. After the flood immediately offers up a sacrifice which is pleasing to the Lord “And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done” (Gen. 8:21)
I've posted it before, and I would post it gain.


I went to refresh myself. Sorry for keeping you waiting.

So clearly God created evil right?

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Brand_new: Someone even claims he has been totally cured of H.I.V ..

Yes, he had complete blood cells transplant and was cured

plaetton:

And it makes perfect sense to you that a worldwide flood which lasted for 40 days or so, that destroys everything on earth, would not also kill all marine life?
The marine life was spared of god's wrath?
Na wa o

Plaetton what do you know about the cubit? do you its correct modern equivalents?

Mr_Anony:

Thanks. I think it is clear to everyone now that those verses specify all terrestrial animals and says nothing about the fate of fish and other aquatic animals.

double post

Goshen360:

Mr Anony has just caught you in his net.......lolz. So where are fishes mentioned? Abi fishes don become "creeping" thing that creepeth upon the earth ni? I told you, you have to stay within the content of "all" mentioned in the event. Am just saying

I did accept your explanation on all didn't i?

Mr_Anony:

Lol, I see you have chosen to harp on a phrase in my comment as an escape route, don't worry, I won't push it further.


Good, it seems you have now understood my question...If you had read my original question properly, you would have noticed that I made no assumptions on what God would want or not want or whether you will choose to worship Him or not. All I asked is if God would be worthy of your worship if you found Him to be true.

So I ask again, If God was shown to you, would He deserve your worship? yes or no

Since this a virtual situation...if such evidence do come up then yes he will deserve my reverence and then if he insist on a set mechanism for this reverence i will examine and follow...

Avicenna:

Where is he?

He is recharging

Mr_Anony:
Please provide the bible verse you are referring to

Gen 7

21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Niflheim: concerning mysticism,you must have heard of 'edgar cayce' who healed a girl that had mental problems and you might have heard about 'silvia browne', who helps new york and los angeles police to find missing people!!!

she is a fraud...

Niflheim: @mkmyers45,to be honest with you i am nothing more than a 'freethinker',i am a kris angel enthusiast and i have read a bit on the topic!!!

can you explain?

Goshen360: Na whaooo. Delafruita version and also CrazyMan's version, whose version will be next....maybe Goshen360's version to challenge the Atheist on their kweshion.....una don dey wait abi?

How do I know God is a "He"? that answer can only come when God has been proven.
What if God doesn't want worship? that question has nothing to do with if He [b]deserves worship. Perhaps you don't understand what it means for one to be worthy of something.[/b]

You're making an assumption then? Chinua Achebe is worthy of a national award but he has severally refused this...so what if this proven God doesn't want worship? maybe thats why he has remained unseen

lol, interesting.
If the purpose of 'Nature' is to breed life, does this mean that if a comet struck earth or the sun died hereby sucking earth into a black hole or earth flew out of orbit etc hence destroying all life as we know it, do you want to tell me that the whole universe will either shut down or begin to create life again?

If this is so, how do you know this? How do you know that nature's purpose is to breed life?

The cosmos purpose is all-encompassing....I am very happy that you clearly made a point of life being 'as we know it'...there is life out there....but is there a replicate place for humans to thrive? maybe ....was there a place for dinasoaurs to thrive? yes ...is there now? no

Niflheim: @mkmyers45,i know very little on OBE'S and astral projection!!!

Can humans be subject to the will of the cosmos?

tpia@:
you could have emailed it to him.

yes, we know neo nazis are very active on the web.

stop pretending- its annoying.

huh?

Niflheim: @mkmyers45,the bible verse about wisdom and the seven pillars is at PROVERBS 9:1!!!

Thanks...you're an atheist? What do you think of mysticism?

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