LordReed:


Same difference. When they eventually find out more about it what happens to your argument?

I am more than that, this is just an example.

The point i raised remains; you can believe something because you have enough information to perceive it even though you can't see it or measure it. That's the take away point.

LordReed:


I thought you were saying that I said god of the gaps means lack of communication. Yes his argument is a god of the gaps argument, our ignorance of dark energy is equivalent to our ignorance of god. What happens when we find out what dark energy is do we also find god or will he shift to some other unknown?

Wrong! Not your "ignorance of dark energy" as you suggested but the scientific community "belief in dark energy" which they can only perceive but not see or measure. They belief it is real and it is very abundant and yet they still don't know anything about it.

kingxsamz:


Christians.
So you're now comparing your "Almighty God" to gravity?
Omo.

As usual, impatient to logically follow through our conversation. Keep reading, you will get your answer.

LordReed:


I have no other way of verification. If it cannot be tested with real world tools then it cannot be verified to exist.

This expert is called what? A theologian?

With the sentence you made with the first paragraph that states "If it cannot be tested with real world tools then it cannot be verified to exist", then it means DARK ENERGY does not exist, proving ones again atheist flawed logic.

LordReed:


First off, which atheist argument are you referring to?

Second, I obviously cannot test for imaginary properties nor can I use imaginary tools. Things like spirit are imaginary and have no basis in reality so I cannot rely on them for any kind of result.

I am referring to atheists argument that believe in proof that can either be seen or measured or both.

As for your second paragraph, your tools are not the required ones to verify the existence of God. For that you need to refer to an expert in that field to help you uncover the right tools and how to use them to perceive God.

LordReed:


Another god of the gaps argument. You guys say your god is alive yet there is no actual communication between your god and anybody, instead you rely on a book and fallacious arguments like these. A living god who is active here on earth would not be hard to detect.

Wrong! Atheist arguments hold no factual evidence, because it relies strongly on human perception about what can be seen or measured. Going by human STANDARD of perception based on what can be seen or measured, something's like DARK ENERGY doesn't just make sense even though it resultant effect is present all over the universe and can't be denied.

The parameters by which you want to detect God are faulty and so won't yield any result, just the same way the parameters humans are trying to use to detect Dark energy is faulty. They need to come up with radical ideas that are literally OUT OF THIS WORLD, because dark energy is not of this world. So it applies with God, God tells us he reveals himself to those who search for him earnestly in SPIRIT and TRUTH.

khadaffi:


Oga you are blabbing. You talking of logic, do you know what logic is? Even the concept of a God has nothing to do with logic. And if you were wise you wouldn't even be quoting scriptures to someone you assume does not even believe in your God. Even if I read it and it backed up your claim. So rather than giving questions why not give the interpretations.

And let me get something clear to you, this will be my last response. If there is a God,he wouldn't be waiting for us to discover him rather he will be the one showing himself to us since he created us

The origin of man made logic comes from philosophy, so I have no use schooling you in logic if you can't see that my previous answer was logically, maybe you were expecting SIGNS and WONDERS as opposed to LOGIC.

The being of GOD is very logical but I doubt if I explain logically you would still grab it. As for your last statement God already did that, he can be found in the Bible, which is the most circulated book in human history. He is in plain sight but you obviously choose to be blind sided.

tatutatu:
He does, not not the way the religious people put it.

I don't know exactly what you mean but I agree with your statement that "He does".

khadaffi:


Everything you wrote here are not living things and can't speak for themselves and so require a being that can reason for his/herself to be discovered. Are you implying the God you're referring to is also not living and so requires us who are wise to discover him? If you had a child would you wait for him to grow and start discovering who his or her parents are or will you train him as he grows?

I gave you a logical question but you chose to miss the interpretation. I also gave you 2 scripture verses that highlight the importance of that logical question but I doubt you even looked them up.

The truth is God never abandoned us like an uncaring parent which your questions seem to suggest, rather he gave us his word, which contains precious information about him and serve as a guide.

But one thing you must know about God is this, like your LITERAL PARENTS, you have freewill to agree with their ways or disagree with their ways, doesn't mean you are right but it means you have the privilege to make choices, so also it applies with God.

As our FATHER, you his children may not agree with all his ways and question him because he gave you a conscious free will and this will usually happen WHEN YOU EXPECT GOD TO DANCE TO YOUR TUNE. God will not, you either dance to his tune or make your own beat and dance to it. But if you choose to dance to his tune then you will uncover alot about who he truly is.

khadaffi:
The main issue is if he exist and he knows he has children down here, why is there the need for hide and seek games he's playing with us? What is so difficult in showing himself to his kids?

Also all the nonsense op wrote, I would ask if God is now dark matter? And I hope you know dark matter is not a living being?

As for your second paragraph, you can judge for yourself that what you wrote is entirely pointless to what I wrote. I never implied anywhere Dark Energy and not DARK MATTER is God. I only used DARK ENERGY TO MAKE A POINT and not that Dark energy is God.

khadaffi:
The main issue is if he exist and he knows he has children down here, why is there the need for hide and seek games he's playing with us? What is so difficult in showing himself to his kids?

I'll answer your logical question with another logical question and not sentiments. If forces like gravity exist, why did it wait for long to reveal itself until Sir Isaac Newton discovered it?

Why did the secret of space-time wait so long until Einstein discover it?

Why are so many things hidden in nature until scientist work hard to discover it?

The answers and knowledge of the universe will not fall at your feet, same with God.

Effort is required to gain knowledge about anything, and like science will tell you; come at everything with an OPEN MIND and you will LEARN A THING or TWO, or SOMETHING ENTIRELY NEW.

This is what Proverbs 2:4,5 teaches, put in the effort to learn about God and you will see that God is close to you, James 4:8

falcon01:
I don't think That's the logic of Athiest, I think their logic is "Prove it"

That's their LOGIC. They believe in HARD FACTS, which can only be seen or measured. Nothing else makes sense to them, unless it can be SEEN or MEASURED, that is the PROOF.

falcon01:
Why all these grammar?? I'm not saying that Hod doesn't exist oo but what I'm saying is if God exist He wouldn't need you people to be doing grammar Trying hard to prove he exists. Just give em something tangible or stfu!

You answer doesn't address the issue i raised, it's more of a deviation.

The truth is simple, the universe you live in is made up of 70% of a substance you cannot see or measure, yet that substance is REAL and AFFECTS the universe EVERYDAY. The logic of atheist is this: since something CAN'T be SEEN or MEASURED, it doesn't exist, which SCIENCE and the UNIVERSE has proved wrong!

For those that believe God does not exist because he cannot be seen or measured, I have a question for you.

What fills about 70% of the entire universe?

The entire universe, includes our planet earth, our solar system, our milky way galaxy and all the billions of galaxies containing stars and SPACE.

The answer: DARK ENERGY.

It is so abundant in the universe, yet it cannot be seen, nobody knows what makes it up or what it possibly contains. Scientists can only guess at best, it cannot be measured directly itself, yet it is so abundant and we know absolutely nothing about it!

The part of the universe you can see and the part you can measure is about 5%, dark matter that you can't see makes up about 25% and what you can't see and can't measure makes up 70%, yet you believe that because something can't be SEEN or MEASURED like GOD, it is not REAL? Science says otherwise.

Meanwhile the most abundant thing in the universe DARK ENERGY cannot be SEEN or MEASURED, yet science believes in it because INDIRECTLY they know SPACE will not behave the way it is behaving unless there is an unseen force that FILLS it called DARK ENERGY.

So what do you have to say in your defense?

Workch:
If he does exist then why can't no one ever provide evidence for his existence.

Everyone seem to be lying and cooking up stuff of his existence.

What fills about 70% of the entire universe?

The entire universe, includes our planet earth, our solar system, our milky way galaxy and all the billions of galaxies containing stars and SPACE.

It is DARK ENERGY.
It is so abundant in the universe, yet it cannot be seen, nobody knows what makes it up or what it possibly contains. Top notch scientist can only guess at best, it cannot be measured directly itself, yet it is so abundant and we know absolutely nothing about it!

The part of the universe you can see and the part you can measure is about 5%, dark matter that you can't see makes up about 25% and what you cant see and can't measure makes up 70%, yet you believe that because something can't be SEEN or MEASURED like GOD, it is not REAL? Science says otherwise.

Meanwhile the most abundant thing in the universe DARK ENERGY cannot be SEEN or MEASURED yet science beliefs in it because INDIRECTLY they know SPACE will not behave the way it is behaving unless there is an unseen force that FILLS it called DARK ENERGY.

So what do you have to say in your defense?

Robertgreene1:
Gbamsolutely....
But come rain..come shine.. d most wretched of Nigerians will keep on breeding like Rabbits...polluting d already polluted country wit innocent babies that will continue d cycle of poverty...
what nonsense!!!!

They don't understand/appreciate practical economics and futuristic planning!

Class in session. Patriarchy 101.

Temmylee01:

Patriarchy is as old as man and has played a vital role in civilisation.

1. At a time when men lived in forests and had to hunt game for food as well as for clothing (wool/leather). They also needed to kill dangerous predators like the Saber tooth tiger, the dinosaurs and other dangerous predators that are now extinct today, including those still alive today. Patriarchy taught young boys and men that is was their duty to fend for and protect their families even till death.

2. Before diplomatic processes became the order of the day to resolving conflicts between communities, war was the language of choice. The fate of almost all males were to fight in multiple wars until they are killed or they manage to escape in the end.

3. Patriarchy transitioned men from living in caves to living in fortified cities with walls to guard against predators and invading soldiers, as men realized their strength relied on numbers. This laid the ground work for modern day cities and civilisation.

4. Patriarchy brought about development in literature, arts, political system of governments, commerce, civil rights, sanitation etc as a consequence of people living in "an enclosed fortified cities", there must be rules governing how these humans will live together in peace and harmony, unless people living in such close contact will cause even more conflicts.

5. Patriarchial society's were the first to realize that women can be given greater privileges in stable societies, brought as a result of living in "an enclosed fortified city". For example ancient Egyptian civilisation, the Jewish civilisation etc.

6. Patriarchy pushed out some systems of government that were critical to wars, like the monarch system and implemented more stable systems like democracy. This gave room for all to thrive, especially women.

7. Without patriarchy the human race would not have survived up to this point. It called for men to man up and lead even in the face of danger and instability.

8. Patriarchy was primary about the survival of the human race and not the oppression of women.

9. Patriarchy was like feminism to women in the past because it gave them protection in the chaos of early civilisation. They lived longer, as they were not part of wars. Patriarchy society viewed them as the "spoils of war". So while the men of the losing side of wars were killed, the women and children were saved, including the loot of war and carried away. Beautiful women where taken as wives while the others were turned to domestic staff, but rarely death was their punishment.

10. Tradition and custom is not primarily a product of patriarchy but rather beliefs in different deities. For example in Egypt that had one of the earliest civilisations, they worshipped a number of gods, including birds, snakes, bulls and other animals. Some of their gods were males and females. They believed in omens and heavenly signs.

HRHQueenPhil:
Have as many children as God gives u the money and time to cater. Adopt more like Kim K if possible
They are a treasure especially when u nurture them well

And die young! You left out that part for most men.

budaatum:


Good and hardworking men and women are very useful. A man would benefit from having a woman he can respect beside him instead of thinking she's only good for child rearing and cleaning house and ironing his shirts.

What many don't realise is how Eve saved Adam from slavery, and that Jesus would have been a carpenter saving wood if his mother Mary hadn't educated him. Or don't you know she could read and taught her Son Jesus to read too?

"Both male and female created He them equally", it says in my own book, until some decided to portray Wisdom seeking Eve as one tempted by a serpent as if snakes talk!

If Eve hadn't sought knowledge and found Wisdom, that dumb Adam would still be an ignorant naked slave in the Garden of Eden! And if Mary hadn't taught her Son to read the world might have still been waiting for a Messiah to save its sorry ass!

Please educate your daughters so they don't end up with pigs and curse you.

From the second paragraph till the end, I won't go into that.

Men and women are both useful to society. Men and women are equal in the sense that we are of the same race and specie and as such we have certain similarities. Buh men and women are also uniquely different in other ways. Men cannot give birth or breast feed or menstrate etc. While men have their own innate abilities which you should know. Men are superior physically, analytically and psychologically amongst others than most women. These gives men some advantage above women.

So we are equal in the sense that we are all part of the human race and specie like other animals that have their Male and female kinds but we also have our unique characteristics as males and females.

budaatum:

Don't you think the contribution of a worthy man would reduce those bad results you posted for the woman? I mean, it's not like all those things are a woman's roles and responsibilities, or are they?

If I followed both your arguments correctly, your stance now will mean men are useful, infact very useful in the society and in the home minus just been sperm donors.

If women could do it alone successfully, those figures wont be quoted in that pic. Long and short men and women need each other. Feminism doesn't and wouldn't change that, it's nature.

Hintona:


Okay
*Yawn

I'll assume you aren't interested in our "boring" conversation. Let me go and be proactive somewhere else.

Hintona:


Okay so what can you tell about me?

Please I am not here to judge you but to interact with you. At least I know you sometimes can throw tags without a warning, if that's your style it's cool.

Now let's get back to the original topic of discuss.

Hintona:


It annoys you, that's why I use it.

I hardly get annoyed. I can tell alot about a person by their words, so it's fine.

Here are just pros and cons of feminism to women and men.

Hintona:


That is just a meme idiot
Those stats are not true, search it on Google.

You give tags a lot, does it empower you? You feel powerful right?

Hintona:


Men are born with more privileges than women, feminisim benefits men and women, you mentioned that men are labeled as lesser men if they can't provide for their families, well news flash that's the exact narrative feminisim is looking to change just because a man cannot provide for his family doesn't make him less of a man, if the woman has more money then let her provide and not rub it in the face of the man, that's feminisim.

So what if 99% of the gadgets we use today we're invented by men, it doesn't make women weaker or dumber, women have been proven to be better when it comes to people oriented issues and that is definitely not a weakness(I'm on the autistism spectrum so I know).

I never knew feminism was this beneficial to men. All men should embrace it then, there are so many benefits for men in the movement.

if you are a man and you arent married before or when you turn 25 years old, don't raise more than two kids.

1. It's proven statistically that most men in underdeveloped countries won't live to see their 50th birthdays. Too much wahala is the cause, especially married men. Having more than 2 kids increases that stress level. And if you are lucky to live to 50 and above, that is not the age to be carrying babies around the house. Your kids should be in their teens or 20's, so your grooming responsibilities would soon come to an end. In developed countries depending on the continent 60-80 is the expected range, so if you like born a dozen, you will train kids till you die!

2. Having just 2 kids will save you some huge amount of money that you can spend later for the family. It's easier to plan a vacation of 4, a foreign trip of 4, to permanently relocate with 4 than a larger number.

3. You are most likely going to live long to see your kids become parents of their own! Trust me many Nigerian kids never saw their grandfathers, only their grandmothers.

4. If you live long, your wife won't be a widow in her 30's or 40's (God forbid by the way). For parents that have 3 or more children, when the man dies in his 50's, the whole burden falls on the mother to cater for them. So try reduce your stress level and chop life with your family.

Hintona:


If I'm a feminist I won't even bother explaining anything to you. You're a misogynistic fowl.

Please let's be civil, it speaks well of you. You can pass your message without the "fowl" tag, especially for someone who hasn't personally offended you.

Lucrativress:

Mr Counterter
That's your new name

It's not sweet

Lucrativress:

In friendship you share mostly smiles,in companionship you share everything that makes a man,his smiles and his pains

I think you should just write your own dictionary at this point, cause this distinction you have created between friendship and companionship is not up to date with our dictionary definition . What I was taught in school and what I know is that both words are synonyms and carry the same meaning. But that one no concern miss smart pants, abeg do quick release your dictionary make boys reads .

Lucrativress:

Not really
You could be a friend and not be a companion in the sense that friendship has grades.
Some people are dating each other yet they have personal walls in between each other and only true companionship can break those walls.

True friendship and companionship should mean the same thing.

In your instance though, I'll assume "friendship" means a superficial relationship, while "companionship" means a deeper relationship.