olabowale:

you dump and dull boy as a dumb bell. are you blind that you did not see words that speak about mercy and things of favor? darn you. i see why you are a christian. read all the bible, you will not see as much of mercy from yahweh, jehovah, jesus as much as in the simple chapter i posted above.

i have nothing further to discuss with you, darn time waster. you thing my time is not precious? good bye.

olabowale:

Surah Fatiha: Talking about Mercy, Forgiveness, Graciousness, etc. Is there any unmitigated punishment in this verse, except Justice?

1:1 In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Mercifu[/b]l.
1:2 All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
1:3 The Most [b]Beneficen[/b]t, the Most [b]Merciful
1:4 The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)
1:5 You (Alone) we worship, and you (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).
1:6: Guide us to the Straight Way
1:7 The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace , not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

Forgiveness is typically defined as the process of concluding resentment, indignation or anger as a result of a perceived offense, difference or mistake, and ceasing to demand punishment or restitution.[1] The Oxford English Dictionary defines forgiveness as 'to grant free pardon and to give up all claim on account of an offence or debt'

oyb:

"Say: O Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful" (Quran 39:53)

"And those who cry not unto any other god along with Allah, nor take the life which Allah hath forbidden save in (course of) justice, nor commit adultery - and whoso doeth this shall pay the penalty; (68) The doom will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein disdained for ever; (69) Save him who repenteth and believeth and doth righteous work; as for such, Allah will change their evil deeds to good deeds. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. (70) [Quran 25:68-70]

Allahuma innaka 'afuwwun karimun tuhibbul 'afwa fa ‘afu anni
(O Allah! You are the Most Forgiving and Most Gracious! You love to forgive, so forgive my errors and sins)

$osisi:

so na the hottest part of hell awaits you and olabs

oyb:

i hope timothy mcveigh ted bundy and co were christains. would be so sad if they were to go to hell for mass murder sadistsic torture etal.

i'm sure the families of the victims would be absolutely thrilled to find themselves all together on the right hand

The unforgivable sin of speaking against the Holy Spirit has been interpreted in various ways,

My spirit shall not always strive with man,' God said long ago (Genesis 6:3).

According to Romans 5:12: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned."

It says that sin entered the world through one man, i.e. all humans are born with a sinful nature because we are all decendents of Adam. So, in this case, all humans, incl babies & children, are all born with a sinful nature. Because of this sinful nature, we all have the tendency to sin. Hence we all became sinners, not because we're born with a sinful nature, but because we yield to it and commit our own sins. Therefore, we're punished for our own individual sins, and not for Adam's sins.

Being said that, it'll depends how you define sinful acts. When does one become accountable for our own sins? Although babies are born with sinful nature (like all of us, we were all once babies ourselves), I don't think they have commited actual sins yet, so I think they will not be sent to Hell. As for children, it becomes more complicated. It'll depend when do you think that they are old enough to know between right & wrong, and hence accountable for their own sins.

Having said all that, I would not want to be a judge as to who will go to Hell and who will go to Heaven as I'm a sinner myself and my judgements are bound to be flawed by my sinful nature. It's God's business ultimately. And I know that God's judgements are all fair and just since only Him is all-wise to make such decisions.

Although I might not have given a satisfactory answer, I hope what I've said makes sense to you and help you to think deeper.

Thanks!

oyb:

like you said, you guys cannot agree on anything

i thought the OT had been abrogated

there's plenty on adulterers etal in there

The unforgivable sin of speaking against the Holy Spirit has been interpreted in various ways, but the true meaning cannot contradict other Scripture. It is unequivocally clear that the one unforgivable sin is permanently rejecting Christ (John 3:18; 3:36). Thus, speaking against the Holy Spirit is equivalent to rejecting Christ with such finality that no future repentance is possible. 'My spirit shall not always strive with man,' God said long ago (Genesis 6:3).

2. What is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?
        a. It is attributing Jesus' power to an unclean spirit - cf. Mk 3:28-30
        b. It is ascribing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan (B.W.
           Johnson)

If you kneel down today and give him your heart you can be rest assured that he'll forgive you
You can have an assurance of salvation
An assurance that he loves you like a father
An assurance that your name is written in the book of life
An assurance that Gos is an close as the mention of his name
An assurance that God is concerned about you and that
all his thoughts about you are thoughts of good and[b] not evil he's not scheming evil against you

oyb:

forget that debate - here's a far thornier one

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Presbyterians-959/babies-children-hell.htm


your god is indeed merciful . so there's a distinct possibility that innocent children or babies can go to hell

oyb:

this loving father , why does he hit his children with earthquakes, hurricanes or the global financial crisis

There's no place the Bible says little children are going to hell.

We are born in sin

Did he run the wall street or mortgage companies?

oyb:

there's no place in the bible that outrightly condemns polygamy either. everything you say about polygamy is INFERENCE
many places talking about man and wife even from creation says them two,them two means two people

. not good enough

this is what you said -

I've given you scriptures to that effect beforeand of course we know that you have to accept jesus to go to heaven, not so?

does christainity have an age of reason?

when one can tell right from wrong

oyb:

artful dodger

does the devil also control weather and natural disasters

are you saying that the devil is stronger than God. several honest believing christains are in dire financial straits. how does a loving father allow that to happen to his children. abi we're back in the OT (job) all over again