I wonder what is in the Quaran that warrants killing. Did she touch the bag or the Quaran? Well, the muslims have proved Rushdie right . They are outright terrorist. How do they want convents if non muslims are not to touch the book not to talk about reading it? Men these people are centuries behind schedule. To worsen it, should christians leave the north, they will be in trouble. Why? they can't even control traffic not to talk of operating computers. May God touch their hearts because they know not what they are doing. And come to think of the so called reward, 20 virgins? for the men, what of the girls/women. Well, they will need a truck of viagra for that.

The problem with christianity is the tendency to look down on other faiths. I dont know where the supposed superiority complex came from. You ve all got more intelligent muslims around you but then whenever it comes to the issue of comparative religion the muslims seems like some foolish illiterates on the basis of your disagreement with them.

When you talk about violence or its endorsement, cant you stop to ask why should anyone in his senses play around with the sensibility of millions of other faithfuls? If you stay on the rail track and got killed i believe the question most people will ask should presumably be why should anyone be standing on the track and not why did the train driver not apply his brakes.

Islam is a religion of peace but it does not encourage willfull insults. I agree the woman shouldnt have being killed but then i also agree if anyone decides to do what she did deliberately, then he is trying to provoke the muslim faithfuls. i dont want to please anyone in this forum by singing the tunes he would have wanted to hear. the plain truth is that no religion should be disrespected and whoever does that should also take the responsibility for whatever outcome resulted.

belloti:

The problem with christianity is the tendency to look down on other faiths.

Unlike Islam? Does Islam not look down on other faiths

belloti:


When you talk about violence or its endorsement, can't you stop to ask why should anyone in his senses play around with the sensibility of millions of other faithfuls? If you stay on the rail track and got killed i believe the question most people will ask should presumably be why should anyone be standing on the track and not why did the train driver not apply his brakes.

You are not suggesting that the murdered female teacher's behaviour was akin to willfully standing on a rail track while a train is coming.Are the students akin to a train driver?

By that logic,when muslims are killed for "playing around with sensibilities",you won't ask why did the killers act as such but why did the muslims so act?

belloti:

Islam is a religion of peace but it does not encourage willfull insults. I agree the woman shouldnt have being killed but then i also agree if anyone decides to do what she did deliberately, then he is trying to provoke the muslim faithfuls. i don't want to please anyone in this forum by singing the tunes he would have wanted to hear. the plain truth is that no religion should be disrespected and whoever does that should also take the responsibility for whatever outcome resulted.

What much can be said about this bare faced justification of murder.This is the true face of Islam.You should not be condemned but be applauded for exposing the ugly underbelly of the Muslim community.

@ belloti please would you provide me the full text from the Koran on this desecration issue.

belloti in all sincerity i am alarmed at your response no one needs your endorsement or wants you to please them, we want a safe society for all, irrespective of our differences, race, tribes, religion etc.

Whether you believe it or not, no religion has the right to ask you to murder for it , be it in the case of wilful insults, deliberate provocation, no matter the issue.

The only institution allowed to serve the death penalty is the state and then the death penalty is frowned about in many states.

Please stop looking at the issue as christain vs muslims, because it is not.  Its an issue against civil society. I personally ensure my religion does not ask me to do what is against the dictates of a civil society and if tomorrow the pope or the most annointed of God in the name of religion comes and ask followers to kill, am sure the protest will be from within their ranks, infact they can't try it, and i dare say even if the Bible asks me to kill for whatever reason i wont i will tell God, that father am sorry on this i can't, you will have to forgive me.

That is what we are calling from you and other muslims that there should be protest from within the ranks in Islam that enough is enough, but that can only be achieved if the tenets of the faith does not dictate it and if it does its time to question the book??

belloti:

The problem with christianity is the tendency to look down on other faiths. I don't know where the supposed superiority complex came from. You ve all got more intelligent muslims around you but then whenever it comes to the issue of comparative religion the muslims seems like some foolish illiterates on the basis of your disagreement with them.

Buluti got it right when he said this issue is NOT a christian vs Muslim issue. Merely trying to paint this as a "christian attempt to belittle islam" is another way to circumvent the REAL question: why is islam so inherently violent?
No one here has posted any threads on sango worshippers, hindus, ifa priests, athiests, agnostics and sikhs. No one needs to, they do not believe the same things that christians believe but one thing they do not do, they do not go around murdering others on behalf of one "blood thirsty demon" erroneously called a "god".
The issue is that of civil society vs those who believe we should kow tow to their every irrational demands. Pray! You claim christians have a superiority complex, is islam not the same religion that commands that everyone must convert to islam at the pain of death? What religion refers to "unbelievers" as kaffirs, pigs, apes and subhumans?

No one believes all muslims are unintelligent, we however have problems with an ideology that is resistant to rational thinking and violent towards criticism.

belloti:

When you talk about violence or its endorsement, can't you stop to ask why should anyone in his senses play around with the sensibility of millions of other faithfuls? If you stay on the rail track and got killed i believe the question most people will ask should presumably be why should anyone be standing on the track and not why did the train driver not apply his brakes.

Islam is a religion of peace but it does not encourage willfull insults. I agree the woman shouldnt have being killed but then i also agree if anyone decides to do what she did deliberately, then he is trying to provoke the muslim faithfuls. i don't want to please anyone in this forum by singing the tunes he would have wanted to hear. the plain truth is that no religion should be disrespected and whoever does that should also take the responsibility for whatever outcome resulted.

First of all let me say a great thank you for finally coming out to say what we all knew all along; that islam is inherently violent and intolerant of others.
Now we know why the sultan has maintained a criminal silence over this issue, like you and all other "peaceful" muslims the real blame must be heaped on the victims because after all the school children merely did what allah has commanded.

I'm glad you have finally spoken the truth. Islam indeed is "peace" as long as everyone bows down to the blood thirsty allah.
Is it possible not to be hypocritical in your assertions? You claim to agree the woman should not have been killed and yet liken her to a person standing on a rail track facing an oncoming train. Pray, would you agree that the individual on the rail track should not have been killed by the train?

What constitutes "wilful insult" in islam? Merely going to work in double decker buses in London or being early for work at the World trade Center?
Who made you both judge and jury to have immediately assumed the poor woman "deliberately" mishandled the quran?
Who are these muslim faithful that must not be provoked? The same people who claim to be all about "peace"?

Again, read my post carefully before making your faulty conclusion. i am not referring to that particular incident in gombe in my train example, i just wanted to give you another angle to the supposed intolerance of muslims.

Islam do not just endorse anyone to kill anyone but i am sure by now you are very familiar with the sharia legal system which is wholly derived from the islamic dictates. Its not a situation of lawlessness neither is it a state of anarchy. There are constituted authorities to deal with legal and communal issues.

You are also aware that there are death penalties in islamic codes just like in the conventional courts. The definition of those premises as the case with other conventions are clearly provided. i dont want to talk about legal issues here but the point i am trying to make is that islam can not give those kids the backing to take law into their own hands but if she was brought to sharia court and was adjudged to have disrespected islam intentionally then the court has a verdict to give which is subject to many other considerations.

I have never heard of FEMALE SUICIDE BOMBERS, ,

But today I got the shock of my life,

pls check the link, ,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070410/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

I just wonder what must have gone through her mind
before carrying those explosives.

I'm sure it will have been justified with a religious undertone.

GOD HAVE MERCY!

@Belloti

Did the woman touch the Quran? And even if she did, did she tear, spit or shit on it? It clearly shows that Islam is a religion of violence and nothing more than that. At least it encourages that. Imagine people like babs787 reciting and making references to the Bible with all inpunity and without any fear. What do you people take christians to be? Fools? Well you can try what you did with the Yorubas, at least you can't forget Zango Kataf in a hurry, neither can you forget the Igbo reprisal attacks. Afterall, man no be wood. ENOUGH of these religious intolerance.

@Beccia
Are you surprised? The murderers in Gombe were female, all presumably below the age of 20.

For the suicide bomber, at least she will meet 20 men who will screw her in paradise. At least that is there teachings in Islam. Her muslim brothers and sisters should make ambulances available for her because, i doubt if she will be able to withstand so many men at once.

My sincere condolences to Oluwatoyin's family again and again.
One good thing out of this whole heartbreaking situation is a final admittance to the violence named Islam by Mr 'peaceful' even when others disappeared to find colorful answers.

Now no one ought to be misled by that fraud in religious clothing.
Any wonder the Muslim violence usually starts on Fridays,right after they troop out of the mosques.
Do we need to speculate the ministration from allah on that day

Shame on allah!!
Shame on mohammed!!
shame on you bellotti and any that advocates killings!!!

May any knives you wield to shed innocent blood strike off your own heads before it reaches those victims .Amen.

What these animals want to us do is to educate our loved ones on safety like so:

1.always practice good handwashing techniques to prevent diseases that may kill you
2.always look right,left and right again before crossing the street to prevent being hit by a car
3.never touch a koran,a bag containing it or a bag in the northern Nigeria,period, so as not to be sacrificed to allah.

continuation: always ask if anything you touch contains the quran or anything from the quran, even clothes with quranic inscriptions must not be touched by 'infidels' else you shall be dispatched to the next world by the 'righteous anger' of the 'ummah'

belloti:


You are also aware that there are death penalties in islamic codes just like in the conventional courts. The definition of those premises as the case with other conventions are clearly provided. i don't want to talk about legal issues here but the point i am trying to make is that islam can not give those kids the backing to take law into their own hands but if she was brought to sharia court and was adjudged to have disrespected islam intentionally then the court has a verdict to give which is subject to many other considerations.

Oluwatoyin lived as a Christian and died as one.
In another thread you told us sharia only applied to Muslims and in here you sing another tone.
Why should a free citizen be judged for touching  a book that a store keeper can use to hold up a 3 legged table.
It is a book,get that into your skulls.
It is just a book,a heavy book that can be used for  several purposes by anyone who buys it and killing anyone for touching or tearing it should be a criminal offence.

If allah meant to use it for killing people he should have put infidel-only naked wires on it or caused it to grow giant infidel devouring teeth or better yet made it's pages untearable.

belloti:

Islam do not just endorse anyone to kill anyone but i am sure by now you are very familiar with the sharia legal system which is wholly derived from the islamic dictates. Its not a situation of lawlessness neither is it a state of anarchy. There are constituted authorities to deal with legal and communal issues.

When your indolent leaders decided to introduce sharia as a state law in CLEAR disregard of the constitution they once swore to uphold, they used the principle of taqqiya to decieve us into believing sharia law would only apply to muslims. Now we know better.
What is a state of anarchy and lawlessness? Is mob killing a part of the law abiding tenets of sharia?
When did the students turn themselves into judge, jury and executor in the criminal murder of oluwatoyin? Of what use are these "constituted authorities" who are but toothless bulldogs in the face of a state of anarchy? And what have those "consstituted authorities" done about meting out justice to the poor victim?

belloti:

You are also aware that there are death penalties in islamic codes just like in the conventional courts.

Death penalties as is obtained in conventional courts is not executed by a rabid mob in the name of "god".

belloti:

The definition of those premises as the case with other conventions are clearly provided. i don't want to talk about legal issues here but the point i am trying to make is that islam can not give those kids the backing to take law into their own hands but if she was brought to sharia court and was adjudged to have disrespected islam intentionally then the court has a verdict to give which is subject to many other considerations.

I thought we were told sharia law only applied to muslims? why should now be brought before a court she did not vote for? Since sharia does not give the "kids" the backing to take the "law" into their hands, what is being done to ensure those hoodlums in uniforms are brought to justice? Or is it part of sharia to look the other way when the victim is but an "infidel"?

belloti wrote:

The problem with christianity is the tendency to look down on other faiths. I don't know where the supposed superiority complex came from. You ve all got more intelligent muslims around you but then whenever it comes to the issue of comparative religion the muslims seems like some foolish illiterates on the basis of your disagreement with them.

When you talk about violence or its endorsement, can't you stop to ask why should anyone in his senses play around with the sensibility of millions of other faithfuls? If you stay on the rail track and got killed i believe the question most people will ask should presumably be why should anyone be standing on the track and not why did the train driver not apply his brakes.

Islam is a religion of peace but it does not encourage willfull insults. I agree the woman shouldnt have being killed but then i also agree if anyone decides to do what she did deliberately, then he is trying to provoke the muslim faithfuls. i don't want to please anyone in this forum by singing the tunes he would have wanted to hear. the plain truth is that no religion should be disrespected and whoever does that should also take the responsibility for whatever outcome resulted.

you know, reading this piece of shit from you belloti only confirms the assertion that Islam is not really the religion of "peace" as you've been touting. it not only confirms that, but only helps confirming that when a critique/analysis into your religion is brought about, most of you muslim folks become irrational. thank God you aretruly bringing out your true feelings and showing your true colours. all that talk of peace is just pure bullshit, the only time you see peace is when you and your kind are not at the receving end of the beating stick!

Quote from Belloti

I agree the woman shouldnt have being killed but then i also agree if anyone decides to do what she did deliberately, then he is trying to provoke the muslim faithfuls

At last, I have found one blood-thirsty learned Islamist too.
Well, I'm sure Belloti just confirms that any Islamist is inherently violent
whether educated or illiterate.

I'm totally ashamed that a fellow Nigerian can utter this statement.

Honestly, I see no difference between Belloti and Toyin's murderers.
They all have the same roots. One really wonders how many people have Belloti sacrificed
as a Muslim Faithful.

belloti,

Everytime the subject of violence in Islam comes to light, muslims try to so hard to justify the ills in islam by saying things like christians feel they are superior or better.

belloti - you can believe in anything you want to believe in, we really don't care but don't kill people when serving your god. And to think that you will endorse the murder of a fellow Nigerian shows the true colour of your religion, your personality and your way of life.

It's sad that in this day and age - a book will instigate the murder of human life, it's more saddening whe n you or your religious heads don't condemn it, apologize for it and make amends. Your statements clearly shows that you support the killing of the innocent woman. All these boil down to the fact that, the very same attitude of muslims is the same as it was centuries ago - violent and wicked.

I do know that there are honest muslims that condemn such acts outright but it you structinize them more closely, they are either knowingly or unknowingly disobeying the koran because the instruction to kill non-muslims run through your holy book and that is what inspired those young muslim women to kill their christian teacher.

Isn't bad enough, that there is Aids, cancer, diabetes, Tuberculosis, Birdflu, assflu, lameflu, but all these Qu'ran Fueled jobless youths are just making things worse.

I found this post here on nairaland made by stimulus and I felt it was worth sharing.

Truth is that Muslims are told the Qur'an can never be translated into any other language. And the moment you take them up on that, they begin to make reference to a book no one is allowed to touch, let alone read!

If the Qur'an cannot be translated into another language so all can read and know what it says, then it is the same thing as saying that the Qur'an is meaningless. That is why some Muslim scholars will tell you that there is no "translation" of the Qur'an; rather, what they have are translations of the MEANING of the Qur'an!! Which again scores another rubbish; because in so far as the Quran is meaningless in the first place, there can be no translation of meaninglessness!!

Does it then surprise anyone that people will muder for a book whose meaning is lost, because it happens to have been translated from Quraish to English?

Islam is not a religion to be questioned. Try questioning any issue in Islam, and answers will retrun by the sword!

Hey babyosisi what a gwan?

JosBoy4Lif:

Hey babyosisi what a gwan?

josboy what does gwan mean?
I am not current with all these slangs,been gone from Naija a while

Whats going on? Whats new with you?

Other than giving my boss a dirty look today,I'm fine lol
so that's what gwan means,lol.

I am way behind in time,I guess that's what happens when one gets older.

bia, josboy are you a Muslim? and what's your opinion on this desecration issue?
please respond but gotta go now.

Josboy is not a muslim, rest assured the sword, islam's symbol of "peace" is not hanging over ur head yet.

Who on earth is this BECCIA and Alexis? I dont think they deserve my reply but i can understand they are bunch of little kids. Baby and David we ve being together for a while sorting out knotty religious issues, i only hope that you appreciate my analysis here. The kids were wrong, she doesnt deserve to die but there are tendencies for things like that to happen when mistakes are made.

Baby, The Holy Quran is not just any book, infact its the basic reason why me and you are not in the same camp. We need to respect that.

belloti:

Who on earth is this BECCIA and Alexis? I don't think they deserve my reply but i can understand they are bunch of little kids. Baby and David we ve being together for a while sorting out knotty religious issues, i only hope that you appreciate my analysis here. The kids were wrong, she doesnt deserve to die but there are tendencies for things like that to happen when mistakes are made.

Baby, The Holy Quran is not just any book, infact its the basic reason why me and you are not in the same camp. We need to respect that.

BULLS*&T!!!!,
And who the bloody hell are you? Just another quasi-intellectual 'taqqiya-ed' muslim called Belloti , nonsense!!. In fact, it is perfectly legitimate even for idol worshippers to look down on islam because it is such a dehumanising religion that has no pride of place in mordern world. With your kind of statement, I can perfectly consider you a waste of western education, stick to your quranic reasoning. I agree that "naturally", a person can be a muslim and be intelligent at the same time; BUT it is NOT possible "functionally" to be a muslim and be an intellectual. One will have to give way for the other, i.e the brain or the book of bullsh*t called quran. For proof, just read and re-read Belloti's thesis of reverse IQ above. So "she does not deserve to die" and the "kids were wrong", but at the same time "things like that happens when mistakes are made." Are you not seeing your closed or circular reasoning? you can not see it because you've allowed the intellectual in you to go to sleep so that the muslim in you can be awake. Just what I said. 
What you termed "mistake" is a wifeless husband and motherless todlers. The 'mistake' was encouraged by the Oustass and islamic clerics and the kids were only repeating what they've seen adults do before. Dont you know 'kids' are very impressionable, whether good kids or the 'young cows' you have up north, they will always be influenced by the adults and their teachings.

mallam bellotti,trust me ,I will never tear a piece of a Bible,Koran,book of mormon or any textbooks intentionally (have thrown one in the garbage though but would not say which one.
There is a big,gigantic difference between Islam and other faiths.

All others respect the sanctity of human life and stress forgiveness as a virtue.Islam,however believes in an eye for an eye.
Killing a human is almost like killing a Chicken for Easter.
A faith where humans with a complete thinking faculty can bury a woman neck down,throw rocks and watch her die a slow painful death while a crowd watches shouting allahu akhbar is beyond my comprehension as a human let alone my Christian beliefs.
And her crime is commiting adultery or koran desecration.

It scares me that I live in the same country with a group of people that think this way.

I do not hate Muslims,my primary care doctor is a Muslim Pakistani male,I love him and I personally chose to see him because he is good.
But believe me every now and then a thought flashes through my mind when I look at him and his cool demeanour.
Afterall the next door neighbours and friends of the 9/11 murderers described them as great fathers,husbands and neighbors.
It is scary that men who appeared so cool and collected could turn into maniacs to carry out a "jihad against infidels"
You can never predict when a dedicated Muslim might snap and turn into a maniac as his faith commands.
That is very very scary.

belloti:

i only hope that you appreciate my analysis here. The kids were wrong, she doesnt deserve to die but there are tendencies for things like that to happen when mistakes are made.

There are several problems with this "analysis".

1. It seems this same "mistake" has been repeated one time too many times in Gombe, Sokoto, Jos, Bornu, Niger, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nairobi, London, New York, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia.
Can the blame for this criminal act be laid squarely at the feet of "mistakes" or is there some other more fundamental reason why this "mistake" seems to repeat itself in too many places that "coincidentally" have a preponderant proportion of muslims? Why is this "mistake" not prevalent in Rome and Isreal?

2. When kids with complete faculties strip a woman naked, beat her to death, burn her body and even go to the extent of beating up a man who tried to protect her, then it is no longer a "mistake".

The more I think of how this woman died,the more this hurts.

Bellotti please respect this womans honor and say no more.
You are no different from those hoologans judging by your writings.
You all drink out of the same dirty pond.
You've already made your points and we get the full picture.
Leave her family and friends to grieve and move on.

Do us that favor,say no more on this issue.
This is a plea

@ davidylan am coming to the conclusion that muslims have a reverse IQ, i dont like it or want to but clearly their reasoning pattern suggest it greatly.

No need attempting to disprove his "ridicolous" logic to him, (belloti) he just wont see it becos he thinks it is coming from a christain, such ignorance.

I personally find it funny that educated folks like babs787, belloti cant see that they wasted their time getting an education they should have gone to Koranic school because clearly it hasnt helped them. For him to still feel that it is okay to kill for a religion (in certain conditions) clearly is an insult to common sense and the education he has.

Even the most ridicolous doctrines and religions i have heard empasize forgiveness above any other virtue, this issue is really deeply rooted.

Quote from Belloti

The kids were wrong, she doesnt deserve to die but there are tendencies for things like that to happen when mistakes are made..

Mr Mallam Grown-Up Belloti,
I again wonder why I share the same citizenship with you?

Check out your analysis: she doesnt deserve to die,

So you Belloti, are the BEST JUDGE OF WHO DESERVES TO DIE
AND WHO DOES NOT?.

So what about you?
How do you see yourself, "SO YOU HAVE BEEN
SO RIGHTEOUS AND PURE THAT YOU THINK YOU DESERVE TO LIVE"?

What I can only say is that:

May God Almighty who is so merciful have great mercy on your
POOR, DARK, LOST SOUL.

Because, I'm sure you, BELLOTI, would have WORSE TENDENCIES,
based on your SENSE OF JUDGEMENT.

People like BELLOTI only make me grieve more for late TOYIN,
I will have to rest my case here.

belloti:

The kids were wrong, she doesnt deserve to die but there are tendencies for things like that to happen when mistakes are made.

I would be very interested in seeing how you intend to explain those poor motherless children.

BECCIA:

again wonder why I share the same citizenship with you?

You are not the only one asking this same question. Thank God for the opportunity to take up American citizenship at some point. Belloti and his ilk can have Nigeria to themselves.