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Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Sweetnecta: 10:08am On Nov 05, 2011 |
^^^^^^ What Allah says, if you read the Quran without lead as your reading glasses, you will see that Thalatha was mentioned way too early to connect any thing else as the 3, except that the christian says Allah is 1 of them. In another part, closer to where thatatha is written, Jesus was mentioned as son of Allah as a claim of the christian, after the claim of the Jews on Ezra as son of Allah. Towards the end of the chapter is where you speak of. This does not connect to who the Thalatha are or Ezra as claimed by the Jews. At the end, Allah says He will bring Jesus forward, not his mother Mary [so your argument about them being the 2 from the Thalatha is breaking apart even before I complete this sentence]. If Mary was part of the thalatha [3], she would have been assumed to be brought out for the same purpose in the same way that Jesus, her son will be on the Day of Assembly. Jesus will be asked; did you tell anyone to take you [for all christians] and your mother [for some christians; catholics do pray to her. when you pray to something, that has became your Lord] as Gods/Lords in partnership to your God/Lord Allah? Jesus responded that he will never do such a thing because it will absolutely wrong. Read it again. i know your heart and mind are clogged and confused. Try to sake some truth serum. Just don't overdose yourself, you cross hung man worshiper. Note that the holy Spirit [Malaika Jibril [as]] will not be brought out like Jesus was because he was sent to humans in Palestine, while the Angel was sent to him. you didn't think deep enough before you responded. You need to do better. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Sweetnecta: 10:11am On Nov 05, 2011 |
@Aletheia: Read the Chapter 5 of the Quran in its entirety. Let me know where you are confused you idolater. Whats the difference between you and hindus except in the number of idols? |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Sweetnecta: 11:14am On Nov 05, 2011 |
@Aletheia:Remember you have not been able to give proper identity of the "Holy Spirit" At best you know he visited marry to get her pregnant. Islam says Malaika Jibril visited her and told her of the pregnancy and the pregnancy started from that moment on; an instantaneous commandment that took place as in Kun. Fa Yakum. The above is in the similitude of how Adam was created; it was decreed and it was set into an instantaneous motion of happening. To show how confused you are; the bible, except the lowly single verse of john you quoted, not coming from Jesus [read the sentence structure], expresses Jesus as word of God, which you splice up to become human as another God, because the Yahweh/Ellah/Jehovah still remain in heaven in His Position, no time do you say Holy Spirit/Ghost and Jesus and Ellah spoke at the same time as equal. Suddenly, Holy Spirit is not an errant/messenger entity, just like Jesus, both have became Gods. You should be ashamed of yourself Baal worshiper of the old country. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by yemmy1: 2:24pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
@aletheia, you talked as if you are a fool or you have been fooled. Where was it written in the Quran that the 3 gods are Jesus, Mary and Father? Give us where it is written and quote it yourself. You know why you people are deceing yourselves? Because the bible confirmed that Jesus is a true SERVANT of God. Have quoted where it is for you,go and check the Revised Standard Version. Do i heard you called Allah satan? You must be out of you mind. I cant blame you since those magicians(pastors) of yours have been deceiving you with devil's miracles |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Nobody: 2:26pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
^^^ Mr. the ALLAH of the Quran is not the GOD of the Bible period. In the Bible GOD has no partners, whereas in the Quran ALLAH has 3 partners or should we say three goddesses. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by yemmy1: 3:59pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
Hahaha! This guy is talking ironical o. You christians that used to call God 3 are not accusing Muslims of calling Allah 3. This shows that you only copy and paste and you never confirmed what you copied. Can you place tell me where it is written that Allah is 3 like you people have called your own gods? |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Nobody: 4:00pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
Ibn Humayd – Salamah – Muhammad b. Ishaq – Yazid b. Ziyad al-Madani – Muhammad b. Ka'b al-Qurazi: When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed: By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceived; nor does he speak out of (his own) desire… and when he came to the words: Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other? Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words: These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval. When Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet in respect of the messages which he brought from God, did not suspect him of error, illusion, or mistake. When he came to the prostration, having completed the surah, he prostrated himself and the Muslims did likewise, following their Prophet, trusting in the message which he had brought and following his example. Those polytheists of the Quraysh and others who were in the mosque likewise prostrated themselves because of the reference to their gods which they had heard, so that there was no one in the mosque, believer or unbeliever, who did not prostrate himself. The one exception was al-Walid b. Al-Mughirah, who was a very old man and could not prostrate himself; but he took a handful of soil from the valley in his hand and bowed over that. Then they all dispersed from the mosque. The Quraysh left delighted by the mention of their gods which they had heard, saying, "Muhammad has mentioned our gods in the most favorable way possible, stating in his recitation that they are the high flying cranes and that their intercession is received with approval." The news of the prostration reached those of the Messenger of God's companions who were in Abyssinia and people said, "The Quraysh have accepted Islam." Some rose up to return, while others remained behind. Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you." Then the Messenger of God was much grieved and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him, for He was merciful to him, consoling him and making the matter light for him, informing him that there had never been a prophet or a messenger before him who desired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had cast words on Muhammad's tongue. Then God cancelled what Satan had thus cast, and established his verses by telling him that he was like other prophets and messengers, and revealed: Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you but that when he recited (the Message) Satan cast words into his recitation (umniyyah). God abrogates what Satan casts. Then God established his verses. God is knower, wise. Thus God removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared and cancelled the words which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were the high flying cranes whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of "al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other," the words: Are yours the males and his the females? That indeed were an unfair division! They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers. to the words: to whom he wills and accepts. This means, how can the intercession of their gods avail with God? Read The Rest Here |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by yemmy1: 4:07pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
''This means, how can the intercession of their gods avail with God? '' Boy,what is the meaning of all what you copied and pasted above? Are you reading from a story book or an online story? Seriously I cant make any sense from what you just posted. Try to make you post sensible next time place. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by yemmy1: 4:08pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
The christians says ''We wish to say God is the father of Jesus Christ not in physical sense, but in a very special and unique way that transcends human comprehension'' SON OF GOD IN THE BIBLE: (i) I Chronicles 22:9-10: A voice from heaven calling Solomon the son of God. (ii) Exodus 4:22- A voice from heaven calling Israel the son of God. (iii) Jeremiah 31:9- Ephraim is called the first son of God. (iv) Luke 3:38- Adam is called the son of God (v) Psalm 82:6- All of you are gods and sons of the most high. (vi) Hebrew 7:1-3 - Melchisedek is called the son of God. (vii) Genesis 6:2- Sons and daughters of God. (viii) John 20:17- Mary Magdalene is the daughter of God. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by yemmy1: 4:10pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
With the above numeral presentation of sons of God, how can christians claim that Jesus is the only unique son of God? MEANING OF THE TERM ''SON OF GOD'' According to the bible, anyone that love God and did the act of righteousness is born by God. (I John 2:29). The above logical explanations of the sons of God shows that the word is not a literal expression but is metaphorical. The bible also describe Jesus as the son of man in many places. What a contradiction! Jesus is neither the son of God nor son of man. If Jesus is the begotten son of God as the bible falsely call him, he must look like God. But the bible says ''For who, can be compare unto the LORD, who among the sons of the most high will be compare to him'' (Isaiah 40:18 and 25). Finally, if Mary was the mother of Jesus and God was the father according to the christians particularly the catholics, what is the relationship between Mary and God? |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Nobody: 4:29pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
Ibn Humayd – Salamah – Muhammad b. Ishaq – Yazid b. Ziyad al-Madani – Muhammad b. Ka'b al-Qurazi: When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed: By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceived; nor does he speak out of (his own) desire… and when he came to the words: Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other? Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words: These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval. When Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet in respect of the messages which he brought from God, did not suspect him of error, illusion, or mistake. When he came to the prostration, having completed the surah, he prostrated himself and the Muslims did likewise, following their Prophet, trusting in the message which he had brought and following his example. Those polytheists of the Quraysh and others who were in the mosque likewise prostrated themselves because of the reference to their gods which they had heard, so that there was no one in the mosque, believer or unbeliever, who did not prostrate himself. The one exception was al-Walid b. Al-Mughirah, who was a very old man and could not prostrate himself; but he took a handful of soil from the valley in his hand and bowed over that. Then they all dispersed from the mosque. The Quraysh left delighted by the mention of their gods which they had heard, saying, "Muhammad has mentioned our gods in the most favorable way possible, stating in his recitation that they are the high flying cranes and that their intercession is received with approval." The news of the prostration reached those of the Messenger of God's companions who were in Abyssinia and people said, "The Quraysh have accepted Islam." Some rose up to return, while others remained behind. Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you." Then the Messenger of God was much grieved and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him, for He was merciful to him, consoling him and making the matter light for him, informing him that there had never been a prophet or a messenger before him who desired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had cast words on Muhammad's tongue. Then God cancelled what Satan had thus cast, and established his verses by telling him that he was like other prophets and messengers, and revealed: Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you but that when he recited (the Message) Satan cast words into his recitation (umniyyah). God abrogates what Satan casts. Then God established his verses. God is knower, wise. Thus God removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared and cancelled the words which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were the high flying cranes whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of "al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other," the words: Are yours the males and his the females? That indeed were an unfair division! They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers. to the words: to whom he wills and accepts. This means, how can the intercession of their gods avail with God? Read The Rest Here |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Sweetnecta: 4:46pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
Frosbel will do all of these and he will get old and and dies, like everyone. He will be gathered together with those in his bloodline before him who have passed. He will wait for the Rapture and will never come. And at the point of death everyone will see a replay of his/her life. may Allah assign a good destination to every muslim, male or female. Amin. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by aletheia(m): 4:57pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
Sweetnecta:Why pray? Your god Allah has already assured you. . .All Muslims will enter hell. So stop deceiving yourself. Only Jesus can save you from that fate worse than death. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Sweetnecta: 5:31pm On Nov 05, 2011 |
^^^^^^^^ he assured all mankind that do not worship Him as He Instructed, not meriting Mercy from Him, therefore will enter hell. I am on the side of proper worship of Him, just like each prophet worshiped Him; Jesus putting his face on the ground all night long; We call that Tahajjud or Qiyammulail; most muslims do that every night. If Jesus does not end up in hell, so do I. Your case might be different because i think you follow Paul, instead of following Muhammad [as], whereas you have no need to follow Jesus in the first place. When you did, and read about what he said about the Comforter, you are to now follow Muhammad [as]. But, noooo. your hard heart like a cowboy will not let you. Just don't die with such a steel heart. If you see where it says all muslims, and not all mankind who are disbelieving, show it to us. I don't think you ask yourself, who are the Muslim paradise meant for? Not you for sure, since you are not a muslim. I pity you. Seriously. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by yemmy1: 10:54am On Nov 08, 2011 |
Some of those christians particularly those pastors know they are all on the wrong path but they will never say the truth because of what they will eat. It is very very clear that they are all on the wrong path. The bible was written and doctored by people who have no linage,they have no Surname. And also that liar called peter is also one of the big problem of the christians. But that did bother me since he has been called crazy person in the bible: "And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee MAD." (Acts 26:24). Because he is really a MAD man. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Nobody: 12:21pm On Nov 08, 2011 |
Mr , you are totally wrong. Please tell us how the Quran fell from Heaven and into the hands of Muhammad. The Quran is nothing but a plagiarised collection of fairy tales. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by chinedumo(m): 3:00pm On Nov 09, 2011 |
yemmy1: Jesus himself defines his sonship John 10:30 I and the Father are one." John 10:36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? Just as i said earlier Jesus being a messenger does not stop him from being GOD I can act the role of a son Jesus is a servant and more than a servant Philippians 2 (King James Version) 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by billyG(m): 7:35pm On Nov 09, 2011 |
jemmy1,sweetnecta & jayriginal Why are you and fellow your brothers the BOKO HARAM always causing trouble in nigeria? ![]() |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by jayriginal: 8:52pm On Nov 09, 2011 |
billyG:If you have nothing to type, you should use your crayons. Go and play with your drawing book. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by vedaxcool(m): 9:24am On Nov 10, 2011 |
chinedumo: You see why wise individuals do not follow the way of Christainity, it seeks to undermine even statements that Jesus made, Hear what Jesus says 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Please anyone with common sense should read the bold statements, Jesus was in essence saying If you are called gods in the scriptures then Son of god is no way close to blasphemy, If Jesus was really the Son of god then he would have insisted and say go ahead and stone me, I am God's son yet he made a concincing argument against the Jews by saying in essence this is how we Jews speak. but Trust Jp, he will not claim to know the gospels more than Jesus but he will also cherry pick statements of Jesus to support his blasphemous beliefs as he has shown in the quote above. chinedumo: All three statements are meaningless and shows great confusion in explaining what the tenets of Christianity really is. One can not be a servant and more than a servant at the same time. Jesus can never be God, as any god that cannot save himself from death and was defeated to the extent that he was left shouting my lord my lord why have thou forsaken me can never be taken on common sense to be God, you deluded claim that his messenger-ship does not stop him from being God only shows how well indoctrinated you are, how does this statement reconcile with the statement with the fact the before he died he apparently called out to the real God to save him, in your misguided view why didn't the messenger turn to God and help himself, in essence your claim will mean he blamed himself for forsaking himself, could he then have saiod myself Myself why have I forsaken Myself, that would have proven he was god yet as they say common sense is not really common |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by gnykelly(m): 12:40pm On Nov 10, 2011 |
Generational rhetorics |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by chinedumo(m): 3:47pm On Nov 10, 2011 |
vedaxcool: Jesus did not deny his Godness He said he is not the only one called God if others were called god because the word of God came to them, " 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods[? 35 [b]If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came" he has a higher qualification than them he is more God then they all 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by chinedumo(m): 3:58pm On Nov 10, 2011 |
vedaxcool: All three statements are meaningful He was showing us an example to follow by acting out all the parts He is one with the father He can be a servant and more than a servant Jesus called John the baptizer a prophet and more than a prophet If you have $100 in ur pocket you also have $10 in your pocket and more than $10 in ur pocket Acts 17:28 'For in him we live and move and have our being. Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. u will enjoy this post > https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=796653.msg9481354#msg9481354 |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by LagosShia: 1:40pm On Nov 20, 2011 |
The sins of the father ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Who is the father of Joseph? MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. Which was first--beasts or man? GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. The Righteous live? PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree." ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart." Jesus' first sermon-on the plain or mount? MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, " LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people, came to hear him, And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said, " Who Moved David to anger? II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. Does God Tempts or Not? "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1) "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13) How Did Judas die? "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5) "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18) Does every man sin? ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Who bears guilt? GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden. Do you answer a fool? PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice? ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by LagosShia: 2:13pm On Nov 20, 2011 |
There are 24,000 manuscripts (not “original manuscripts”) yet no two are identical. This isn’t a muslim admission.this is a Christian scholarly confirmation.you can further see here: Half of the New Testament is Forged Bible Scholars Admit To Bible Text Discrepancies
Paul says: 1Cor.5 [7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed. Eph.5 [2] And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Jesus says: Matt.9 [13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' Salvation According to Jesus: The rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could find salvation. Jesus answered, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments , If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matt 19:16-21, Mark 10:17-21, Luke 18:18-22, KJV) In other words, obey Torah, and follow Jesus' examples. According to Paul: “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Rom 10:9-10, NAS) Which is it? Obeying the commandments of G-d and following Jesus, or merely believing in Jesus’ resurrection and confessing him as Lord? Eating meat sacrificed to idols It’s okay to do so according to Paul (1 Corinthians ![]() I've heard some try to resolve this by saying Jesus taught old covenant law because he lived under the law, but after his death and resurrection we are now under the new covenant. If that's true, and he knew it would be true (and he should have known if he is G-d, right?) then why did he never mention this? Why didn't he say to the young man, "For now, obey the commandments, but after I'm raised from the dead, keep your fortune and don't worry about the commandments, because you won't be required to keep them."? He never said this to anyone, nor anything like this, not once in the three and one-half years he spent preaching, by both sermon and example, to live the Law given through Moses. On the time of the coming of the Lord: Paul says: Rom.13 [12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand. Jesus says: Luke.21 [8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name, saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' [/b]Do not go after them. [b]On the God of the dead: Paul says: Rom.14 [9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Jesus says: Luke.20 [38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living; On the sum of the commandments: Paul says: Rom.13 [9] The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, [/b]are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus says: Matt.22 [37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38] This is the great and first commandment. [39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [40] On these[b] two commandments [/b]depend all the law and the prophets. [b]On forgiveness of trespasses: Paul says: Eph.1 [7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Rom.4 [25] who was[b] put to death [/b]for our trespasses and raised for our justification. Jesus says: Matt.6 [14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; [15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. On being justified: Paul says: Rom.3 [24] they are[b] justified by his grace [/b]as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, [28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith [/b]apart from works of law. Rom.5 [9] Since, therefore, we are now[b] justified by his blood, [/b]much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. Jesus says: Matt.12 [37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. [b]On the basis of judgment: Paul says: Rom.2 [12] All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. Jesus says: John.12 [48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day. On the commandments and eternal life: Paul says: Rom.7 [9] I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died; [10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me. Jesus says: Matt.19 [17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments. On the destiny of the Law and the Prophets: Paul says: Rom.10 [4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified. Jesus says: Matt.5 [17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. [18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Jesus preached One God,who is also his own Lord.he never called himself God. Jesus Never Told Anyone He Will Die For Them!
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Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Nobody: 10:21pm On Dec 04, 2011 |
I aletheia:YOU ARE SINCERE BUT SINCERELY WRONG. It is rather unfortunate that you guys fail to cross check with historical background to make the veracity of the authencity of the Holy Bible the oldest surviving book in the world. There are archeological facts too that lend credence to the fact of event recorded in the bible. Unfortunately, Islam started during the dark age of Christianity (more than 600 yrs after the resurrection of Jesus Christ). Did prophet Mohammed not had contact with Damascus where Paul got converted? Of cause he did and married a young Jewish girl. Was prophet Mohammed a Jew? No but why did Koran contain some stories about Jewish nation? Who is fooling who here? Let us be objective here, with time I will prepare historical background to help you understand that you don't just say what you dont know. |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by LagosShia: 11:03pm On Dec 04, 2011 |
fitzkenny:https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-739943.96.html#msg9693432 |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by theseeker2: 11:52pm On Dec 04, 2011 |
frosbel: Frosbel i have realised that most time you simply copy and paste without actually reading. Cos your post in most cases contain the best answer to the arguement u are trying to make |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by Ruqaya(f): 4:07pm On Dec 05, 2011 |
My question goes thus:al-qur'an was written in its simplicity so dat a common man will read and understand the message,why is it dat u need some holy people 2 explain d meanings of messages in the bilble(e.g i came across a thread dat dere was a verse in d bible were jesus said:i've come 2 u wit the sword and i've not bring 2 u peace.during d argument a christian fellow said jesus referred 2 d sword of truth not for killing)how do i know u're not interpreting 2 suit ur own frame of mind?why is dere diversification in ur religion,in islam,all muslims in d whole word worship in d same way which profess its unity? |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by congoshine(m): 4:24pm On Dec 05, 2011 |
Ruqaya:Al Qur'an was written for arabs not Yoruba people . Its for ARABS !! |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by theseeker2: 4:30pm On Dec 05, 2011 |
Ruqaya: Rugaya dont mind them. Denying the obvios. I guess the swords were actually for cutting tomatoes He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.—Gospel of Luke 22:36-38, NIV |
Re: The Ridicule Of Muslim Apologetics by LagosShia: 7:51pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
congoshine: i dont blame you.you sound like a yoruba who still follows superstitions and fetishes of traditional beliefs. but,i would like you to tell us where it is stated that the Quran is only for arabs? as far as i know,Muhammad (sa) was sent to the world. |
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