atoleybaba:
u are still scattering everything in ur head. Cos of ur hatred for d witnesses. Did u observe were I used mandatory and compulsory? Anyways since u av refused to av sense lemme say it in another form. Getting d card is for d witness safety so that his right won't be tampered upon if by any circumstances he is not in a good/healthy state to list clearly his medical option. That is d purpose of d card. Anybody who believes that taking blood is wrong gets d card. Keyword "believes". So has to stand as ur word to the medical personal if by any chance u can't talk with ur mouth or u are totally down. Lemme quickly give u an example of a witness whose belief was tampered with before the emergence of this no blood card. A young 16year old witness she needed blood she was in a coma her parents tried to reason with d doc that dy are witnesses and don't accept blood buh d docs refused to listen and tot it was their responsibility to keep d patient alive at all cost. She was transfused with blood and got better. Tho there was some complication later. Buh when she regained conciousness she wasn't happy with this. She felt bad and tried fighting d hospital legally. Anyways d end of it was that it made d country adjust their law for d right for a minor parent decide d medical option. And now that d card is now available, the doc don't need to argue with anybody so far d patient signature dy are say he no want blood. Are u now cleared?

Lmao I hate the witnesses? How? By asking you questions, I hate you? You're the one murdering English language to prove your non-existent point. My initial point was that it was compulsory for Jehovahs witnesses to carry the card to prove that they don't take blood. You said it's mandatory to carry the card, which proves my point, so I don't know what your argument is for.

"A 16 year old girl sued hospital and the country changed their rules "
What is the link between that and what we were arguing about?

JMAN05:


I understand how you feel. The fact is that the witnesses reveal what other curves teach and why they teach such. So, the witnesses already knows what you believe, and why you believe so. When they disagree with church doctrine, they don't do so to be different, they have reviewed thoroughly why you believe so and see that it has no strong biblical basis. That is why they often know what to say when you raise objection, because they already know the scriptures you use in supporting your views. They also see its weaknesses. However, theyont believe they know it all. They do change their beliefs if they see reasons. But those witnessed that call on ur door isn't the ones that change the belief. They have a body that does so. Individual witnesses can only write to this body, asking questions and making recommendations.

The witnesses number into millions, but they are few comparatively. This however, isn't a reason to think their teachings isn't right. Christianity was quite in the minority in the first century CE. That didn't change the fine truth dispensed by Jesus disciples back then.

okay, you said they know why I raise an objection and they know what other religions teach. There are 4,200 religions in the world, how has your church managed to learn about all of them to know their doctrines are wrong? I asked a few questions earlier to 2 of your members in the threads above but none has replied me, so I'll ask you.

1) Why have more than 20 scriptures been removed from the newest edition of your bible? They've been there in your other editions and in other bibles.
2) You agree that blood is a symbol/representation of life, so why would you give up your life to honour a symbol? Why is the symbol of life more important than the life itself?
3) If taking blood pollutes the body, how would you interpret Matthew 15:11 or Mark 7:15-16?

Malolu:


wow. Thanks for that verse as stated by our Lord Jesus. The same in Mark 7:15-16..then he went on till 23 to describe examples in the intent or heart of man which really leads to defilement. I actually loved the wisdom of Jesus proved here when he went against the doctrines of elders and of men. We have been saying the samethings over and over again, people tend to misinterpret God's word leading to entirely another form of doctrine. We have it all across Christianity.

You're welcome oh. Exactly, Jesus wanted people to be saved and not be weighed down by laws, that had no real purpose with people's relationships with God. That's the main problem I have with the JW's, the arrogance and haughtiness of them thinking they are the only ones interpreting and teaching the bible accurately when a lot of their doctrines are ridiculous and downright non-christian. They also make up only 0.37% of christians in the world and 0.1% of population in the world and somehow think their religion is the only correct one.

I try to learn new things everyday and I even learn from children but they wouldn't even listen to another christian preaching them because they know it all already

DavidEsq:

In Acts 15:20, was sexual immorality not equated wit use of blood?

How does that even come close to answering the 2 questions I asked? What brought sexual immorality inside? Or does sexual immorality preserve life? It's fine if you don't know the answers I asked, just admit it. No one has monopoly on knowing the bible or interpreting it

atoleybaba:
since u want to reason like a baby lemme break it down for u. It is mandatory cos when u are in such state of needing blood u might not av strength to tell d doc ur biblical believe and they might want to do blood transfusion for u out of discretion and might not listen to ur family member that u don't want blood. That card will stand as ur rep with ur signature. More like a will on how ur property should be shared. Do u now understand y it is mandatory now? U are not forced cos for u to say u are a witness it means u agree with all their teaching including d topic bawt blood. And dy don't force anyone to be a witness or av u heard of such? My cousin isn't a witness yet despite growing up in a witness family yet no1 forces him.. Now do u understand Mandatory to own a card in case of incasity buh u are not forced to get d card or not talk blood or be a witness

I never said anyone was forced to be a witness, you keep beating about the bush. I said it was compulsory for a JW to not take blood and the only way they can enforce it is to make sure every JW has a no-blood card. Do you know mandatory and compulsory mean the same thing? How can you say its not by force but in the same breath say it's mandatory? They really need to encourage the youths to pursue higher education so simple comprehension skills like this, do not elude you.

softG:
This is a religious issue rather than a medical one. Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29 ) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14 ) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovahs-witnesses-why-no-blood-transfusions/

I had asked before and got no reply, can you answer this please? So how would you interpret Matthew 15:11? And why is the representation/symbol of life more important than the life itself?

softG:

Please Note
In the late 19th century, scholars B. F. Westcott and F.J.A. Hort compared existing Bible manuscripts and fragments as they prepared the Greek master text that they felt most closely reflected the original writings. In the mid-20th century, the New World Bible Translation Committee used that master text as the basis for its translation. Other early papyri, thought to date back to the second and third centuries C.E., were also used. Since then, more papyri have become available. In addition, master texts such as those by Nestle and Aland and by the United Bible Societies reflect recent scholarly studies. Some of the findings of this research were incorporated into this present revision.

Based on those master texts, it is evident that some verses of the Christian Greek Scriptures found in older translations, such as the King James Version, were actually additions made by later copyists and were never part of the inspired Scriptures. However, because the verse division generally accepted in Bible translations was already established in the 16th century, the omission of these verses now creates gaps in the verse numbering in most Bibles. The verses are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24. In this revised edition, those omitted verses are indicated by a footnote at the location of the omission.

Regarding the long conclusion for Mark 16 (verses 9-20), the short conclusion for Mark 16, and the wording found at John 7:53–8:11, it is evident that none of these verses were included in the original manuscripts. Therefore, those spurious texts have not been included in this revision.

It is evident? where is the evidence? All your previous bibles before 2013 had the scriptures and all of a sudden, you take out more than 20 verses and spew all this cut and join explanation? So it makes sense that you open to a bible scripture and start from verse 11 incase of John 8? You transcribed based on other bible versions but suddenly you're the one who's the authority on what to omit? Forgetting that in Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:19, it said not to remove anything from God's word.

You also look down on other bible versions that don't have the name Jehovah, forgetting that God's name is YHWH but here you are picking and mixing what goes in a bible. You know "spurious" means fake? So you're saying parts of the bible you've previously used are fake?
I know you want to defend your religion, but don't you see how ridiculous you sound?

atoleybaba:
stop saying shit. D card is given so that it can rep what u say during that time of crisis as it won't be easy to start arguing with d doc or d person might be in a state of coma DT card would speak for d person. Besides u are not forced to own d card but it is mandatory to own it. Jw views blood transfusion as wrong and if u are a jw u def goia own DT card cos u are convince that blood transfusion is wrong

I'm saying shit, but you're the person who's saying to own the card is mandatory? Do you even understand English at all?

softG:


Have Jehovah’s Witnesses Changed the Bible to Fit Their Beliefs?

No, we haven’t. On the contrary, when we have discovered that our beliefs were not completely in line with the Bible, we have changed our beliefs.
Long before we started producing the
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures in 1950, we examined the Bible. We used whatever translation was available and formed our beliefs accordingly. Consider a few examples of long-standing beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and decide for yourself whether they match what the Bible really teaches.

1. What we believe: God is not a Trinity. The July 1882 issue of Zion’s Watch Tower
said: “Our readers are aware that while we believe in Jehovah and Jesus, and the holy Spirit, we reject as totally unscriptural, the teaching that these are three Gods in one person or, as some put it, one God in three persons .”
What the Bible says:
“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.” (Deuteronomy 6:4 , The Holy Bible, by Robert Young) “There is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6 , American Bible Union Version) Jesus himself stated: “The Father is greater than I.”— John 14:28 , Douay-Rheims Version.

2. What we believe: There is no eternal torment in a fiery hell. Quoting from Romans 6:23 in the King James Version, Zion’s Watch Tower entitled its issue of June 1882 “The Wages of Sin Is Death,” stating: “How clear and simple is this statement. How strange it is that so many who profess to receive the Bible as the Word of God persist in contradicting this positive statement, and affirm that they believe, and that the Bible teaches, that the wages of sin is
everlasting life in torment.”
What the Bible says: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.” (Ezekiel 18:4, 20 ,
King James Version ) The final punishment for those who oppose God is, not eternal torment, but “everlasting destruction.”—
2 Thessalonians 1:9 ,
King James Version.

3. What we believe: God’s Kingdom is a real government, not just a condition of the heart.
Regarding God’s Kingdom, the December 1881 issue of Zion’s Watch Tower said: “The setting up of this kingdom will, of course, involve the overthrow of all the kingdoms of earth.”
What the Bible says: “In the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”— Daniel 2:44 , King James Version.

Do Jehovah’s Witnesses depend on the
New World Translation to support their beliefs?
No, for we continue to use many translations of the Bible in our witnessing work. In fact, while we provide a copy of the New World Translation at no charge as part of our free Bible study program, we are also happy to study with those who prefer to use other translations.

But I didn't ask you all of this now, all I asked was why are more than 20 scriptures missing from your bible and yet those scriptures are present in other bible versions?

softG:
This is a religious issue rather than a medical one. Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29 ) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14 ) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovahs-witnesses-why-no-blood-transfusions/

So how would you interpret Matthew 15:11? And why is the representation/symbol of life more important than the life itself?

rottennaija:


I forgot to add that. Thanks. I actually had a space in the third to comment which I had intended to put this post up in the main post. While I was preparing it, someone deleted me from the space. Lol.

It's actually amazing how far Jw's will go to Suppress information that doesn't favor them.

It's mind blowing, when I started doing my research, I literally started feeling sick, I had never felt so shocked and ashamed in my life that I was that blinded. Oh well, better late than never

saintmark88:


This is ridiculous.......liquid by infusion doesn't go through the digestive systems, it goes straight into the blood stream. That's the difference. Guess ur founder doesn't know that. By the way didn't Jesus shed his blood for u....didn't he ask that u drink his blood and eat his flesh??

That's very correct, blood taken orally is digested like food and the nutrients are absorbed but blood taken intravenously behaves just like blood. It's like getting an organ transplant

DavidEsq:

No Jehovah will not. See Proverbs 4:18. The enlightenment grows. In Acts 10:14-16, Paul's conception as to those who were entitled to th gospel was changed by that vision and prepared him for a greater ministry.

I knew that was the scripture you would quote because that somehow, absolves them of the guilt, of pretty much murdering people. "Oh well, the light got brighter". Since the light can still get brighter at any time they deem fit, don't you think it's logical to let certain things that are not written in black and white to be left to people's consciences?

In Leviticus 17:15, if you ate a dead animal that had not been bled, you only had to bathe till evening and be clean. Also in Matthew 12:3-7 and Matthew 12:11, preserving life took precedence over strict law keeping. Blood is a symbol of life, why should the symbol be more important than the life itself?

DavidEsq:

Wen the cards wr passed, was the congregation forced to sign or fill it?

I thought you said the cards are never passed and have to be requested, now you're asking whether the congregation was forced to sign it? Next thing you'll say its optional meanwhile people have been disfellowshipped for taking blood.

Let me ask you sef, why are blood fractions allowed now? Its still blood isn't it? It's like saying I can't drink hot chocolate but I can drink milk, milo, sugar and hot water separately? How does that even make the slightest sense? People died because blood fractions weren't allowed years back and now they are allowed? So will Jehovah ask for their blood from the Governing body since they more or less caused their death?

rottennaija:
In response to: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses.

The rest of the story…

What Jw's believe, but won't initially tell people when they knock on doors and ask if they think the world would be better off without war, suffering, sickness and child abuse:


If you become a JW and then leave them because of their false teachings, you will be literally shunned. You family that remain in the organization will not be permitted to even talk to you!

The Watchtower Society is the only source of truth on earth today and the rest of the mankind will be destroyed if they do not belong or convert to jw.

The cross is a pagan symbol of sex worship, and that all buildings or persons displaying the cross are likewise pagan. Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus died on a cross but a stake. However, recent "new light" in the Watchtower now admits they are not certain about the cross, but will continue to deny it anyway. Further, the watchtower originally claimed it was a cross.

No one goes to heaven but 144,000. While the Bible shows that the great crowd is in heaven, the Watchtower ignores this and teach their own interpretation.

They teach Christ is the mediator for only the 144,000, not the rest of mankind as taught in the Bible.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob etc. will be resurrected to earth paradise even when the Bible in Hebrew 11:13-16 shows that their reward will be heavenly. They simply ignore this.

Their light gets "brighter and brighter", allowing for many changes and "about faces" on their doctrines. Yesterday's error is today's "truth" and today's truth becomes tomorrow’s errors. Often the "light" bounces back and forth from old to new views and back again! Basically, in the past 30 years, more than 80% of their doctrine has been discarded.

Blood transfusions are rejected and if a Witness receives one willingly, it results in his eternal death. However, the society allows Hemopheliacs to consume blood for medical purposes to save their life.

That all other religion apart from Jehovah’s Witnesses are false religion and most of the times referred to as Babylon the great.

They believe the Watchtower contains Gods truth, directed by Holy Spirit. Without it one cannot understand the Bible.

They claim they were approved and chosen by Christ Jesus in 1919 as the only religion doing God's will. However their teachings at the time and mistakes since then prove this could not be true and had since been discarded.

They let their loved ones die imposing their doctrinal ban on blood transfusions based on the law covenant. However people broke the law covenant when lives were at stake. Such as saving a life of a sheep or human on the sabbath. King David broke the law to save his men. Even Jesus christ showed that when life is threatened, mercy was more important than sacrifice.

They are known as being false prophets for their many false predictions going back over 150 years. They predicted the coming of christ (1875), resurrection (1878), end of gentile times (1881), Armageddon (1914), resurrection if Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (1915), destruction of all other churches apart from them (1918), disappearance of government and republic (1920), establishment of God's kingdom(1925), resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, jacob (1925), heavenly calling ends (1935), end of the world (1975) and the generation alive in 1914 would not die off before the end. Of course, all this prophecies had since been discarded after their failure and never talked about.

Looking at the history of their false prophecies and teaches, Jehovah's Witnesses becomes a hypocrite whenever they call others false prophet and false teachers.

They are series of court cases involving the Watchtower, the parent organization of Jw, and they are paying millions of dollars in compensation for their failures in child abuse cases (Google is your friend). And yet, none of these are featured in the legal section of their official website. (see how much they have paid thus far: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse)

Watchtower is selling of kingdom halls in many part of the world. (the building of many ones spoken of as evidence of God's blessing and backing of their works). Yet, many Jw's are not aware of it.

They have their own Bible. A Bible carefully designed to agree with their doctrine.
The Watchtower leadership has repeatedly refused to divulge the names and/or academic qualifications of the people within their organization who produced the New World Translation. The reason cited was that the translator where not seeking glory for themselves. But it's really a lame excuse.

The jw Bible is the first real attempt to remove all references to Jesus being worship or being prayed to. It's the first real attempt to obscure the divinity of Jesus Christ. (more about the jw Bible can be found here: http://www.ukapologetics.net/newworld.html)

They also say United Nations is the wild beast quoted in Revelations yet they were a part of the United Nations for 10 years and after it came to light, they quietly left and cooked up a wild story of joining to use their library, lol.

DavidEsq:

Dey don't give it to u to sign. They only advise u to. They have never given or shared such. In fact, u wld never c such cards unless u request for one. Pls stop acting speculatively like some of our brothers in one part of naija who on a mere rumour wld start slaughtering innocent Nigerians, especially women and children. U sound educated, so act likewise and stop the "dem say" approach.

wowww! I'm sorry but if you don't know this then you haven't been a JW for a long time. I was 7 years old when the cards were passed at the book study(that used to be done at brother's houses) and there was a child one as well that was filled by my mum and the book study co-ordinator but my dad stopped us from using it.So I'm not speculating, it's my experience.

Caseless:
what is that new thing they removed again? Don't you know the Bible has been edited over 5000 times?

Those scriptures I put up are in every other bible version but not in their own bible because it doesn't agree with their teachings. They also say other bibles removed the name of God and so are not accurate but Here are more scriptures you wont find in their bible

Matthew 23:14
Mark 7:16
Mark 9:44
Mark 9:46
Mark 11:26
Mark 15:28
Mark 16:9-20
Luke 17:36
Luke 23:17
John 5:4
John 7:53
Acts 8:37
Acts 15:34
Acts 24:7
Acts 28:29

atoleybaba:
abeg who force anybody to take blood oga? U better go and do ur findings well. And stop spreading lies. Every witness who rejects blood av signed d paper to reject blood with dre hands and are not compelled by d organisation. Everyone has right to do what he pleases d work of Jehovah's organisation is just to help d person make d right decision by sharing scriptural tots with d person. Dasor. Av a nice day bro. And make sure u confirm something's properly before concluding better still when ever u see the witnesses in ur area simply sit wif them and let them explain to u better and please listen with a good non judgemental heart and u will grab what the witnesses teach

ahh don't lie now. How can you say they are not compelled when the elders give the cards to you to sign? and they in turn sign as witnesses?

The blood transfusion is the one that vexes me the most, my sister is a biomedical scientist in a govt hospital and she has stories about people dying because they don't want to accept blood. She said a few JW's take the blood transfusion but keep quiet about it.

Now this is the part I don't understand. They said you can;t take blood transfusion but you can take fractions of blood. So you can take what makes up blood but not the blood itself? How does that even make sense? I cannot drink hot chocolate but I can take milk, milo and sugar? Please people read your bible and pray for understanding instead of following man-made rules.

In Deuteronomy 4:2, it says you should not add or subtract from the bible so why does the New World Translation (Jehovah's witnesses bible) have verses removed? Their bible is online so you can check it out

Matthew 17:21
Matthew 18:11
John 7:53 - John 8:11 (a whole 12 verses missing)
Romans 16:24

There are like 26 more different verses they've removed from their bible just because it doesn't suit their teachings.

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