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hi again ocean 2
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again i represent my argument please excuse the slight diviation from sucessful/independant,

a sucessful strong independent man can hold his own against the sucessful independent woman

a bog standard normal guy who is working on a lower wage and not career orintated or motivated does not have a chance, he will ALWAYS be fighting his corner,

and also i don't think ones enviroment has anything to do with how they behavr or proceed in their career its the individual

and YES NIGERIAN MEN ARE NOTORIOUS for having extra material affairs when there married

im sure you know im right mr , but i must say i admire yr attempt to stand strong for the brothers

@ britgirlee,
sucess to a great extent determines ur independence! "a sucessful strong independent man can hold his own against the sucessful independent woman

a bog standard normal guy who is working on a lower wage and not career orintated or motivated does not have a chance, he will ALWAYS be fighting his corner,
". Now ur debate is taking shape!! u rightfully said a normal run of teh mill guy who is struggling topay his bills would find it more diffcult to cope with a successful woman becos of his complex not becos he is black or nigerian! i put it to u if u were a director in company would u marry a driver, please be honest when u are answering. i know of a white lady who married her nigerian driver while she was on contract with Shell. how many nigerian ladies woudl do that

like Cyclone put it a confident well educatedd nigerian guy doesnt shy away from a challenge! nigerian men are famous for their infidelity? Girl, where did u get ur stats from? let's be objective here, dont wihite dudes cheat too.

Back to ur topic, i think u shoudl define specifically what calibre of nigerian men you are refering to?

Nice topic and even if i disagree on some points, the debate has been eye opening

Cyclone5:

I have to say that this claim is just wrong. Plain and simple. There might be personal experiences where it may have been the case but its no universal principle.

If you look around most, if not all, the most acclaimed Nigerian woman are all married. Irrespective of looks, character or status. So are their husbands, exceptional and special men?

In all truth Nigerian men love a challenge. Be it a good looking, intelligent or successful woman. They wont shy away from that.

In all truth, not everyone is fit for marriage. Some men and women may be successful but lets be honest they are badly behaved and very unpleasant to be around. Some things that drive people to be independent and strong may also rob them of social graces and courtesy.

@ Cyclone , i couldnt have put it better, Clap clap!!

Your question was "why are nigerian men intimidated by strong black women" now u are making exception with "successful" nigerian men! well, if what you meant by strong , independent women was a woman who would be overtly controlling i.e. would also want to question the man, i am sure not many men whether black or white would be too comfy with that. let's get something straight every man has his ego and NOONE whatever that color would like that ego bruised. maybe the black man can sometimes be overtly egoistic but sista every man worth his salt IS.
I still stand by my word that Ngozi and Dora's husband are clear exampel that Nigerian men can handle sucessful independent woman. again like every other thing environment matters, the guy brought up in a liberal cosmopolitan city would behave different from one brought up in more conservative background. just like u wouldnt expaqct a kid here in newcastle to be as open minded as one borught up in london which is culturally more diverse

britgirlee:

ocean2

also forgive me are you indirectly saying that it is the norm for nigerian bred men to have mistress al over cheat on there wives and the so call wives shut up and put up!!! so western born nigerians ie british american etc are not acceptable of this well thank God ,

I NEVER said or implied that is a norm for nigerian men to have mistresses or cheat on their wives!!

I have to go to bed now but let me just chip in a bit. i dont think i contradicted myself when i said teh man is teh head of teh home and that my generation has moved on. what i meant was that guys are a lot more liberal now, however we want to put it a woman would want a guy who she is secured with in all ramifications.
you say individuals that stay single are nearly alwasy by choice, i dont have my statics but i doubt that. u say again that a succefful woman wouldnt marry a nigerian man, i beg to disagree ma! there are many sucessful women happily married to nigerian men. like i mentioned earlier Ngozi and Dora stay out, they are married to nigerian men! i think we have to understand what marriage is all about, which in my view is give and take! maybe u are looking at this thing from a westernised POV, if u say can do nigerian men get intimidated by a Nigerian woman born and bred (no offence menat to thos of u born outside) in nigeria then the complexity of the argumnet changes

britgirlee:

Ocean 2
who wouldn't be proud to have ngozi or the naftac woman as a wife(unsure of who they are?) but i am very sure they wouldn't agree to your comment 'as knowing their place in the home and what exactly is that place??

Both women are examples of what Nigerian women can do if given the chance, Ngozi was nigeria's finance minister and she helped negoiate our debt and teh NAFDAC woman is Dora she runs teh food and drug regulatory body

R single women really happy? we all need someone to call our own, someone we can trust and talk to and vice versa. I respect women for who they are. somehow i feel everyone needs someone whether a 40ish umarried sucessful man or a 30ish sucessful high flying woman

@ britgirl that's a important topic u brought up. I just arrived the Uk about a month ago on post grad study, i dont agree with ur sweeping remarks that nigerian men dont like or are afraid of succefull women. Who wouldnt be proud to have Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala or that NAFDAc woman as a wife. People at least of my generation have moved on, and are looking on to working class ladies not the ones that would seat at home like "mother hen"!!
I agree that to some certain extent a very independent woman can pose a challenge to men especially african nay nigerian men. but i think a sensible woman would always know her place, dont mean to sound derogatory. a woman shoudl alawys look at herself as teh neck not the head of teh house, funnily the neck controls teh head!!!

hi guys!!sorry i havent had time to come online, i have been very busy lately. As to the issues u raised oskaywale u are right the question can be rather tricky and beleive me ur answers do matter, so u have to think long and hard. particularly for questions 3 and 5.

rite now, i dont have much time as i have to dash out. but u can reach on my email. i would endeavor to put write down the usual mistakes people make.

Do u want to study in the UK and do not know how to go about apply for a student visa or need assistance doing so? Well! i would be willing to help anyone who so desires for free depending on how much free time i have. i noticed that many Nigerians make mistakes in their application forms and thus get rejected by the embassy, so i intend to act as a guiding light to those of u out there. I have helped 2 Nairalanders (one in uni of Bolton and the other in london). Please i would assist only those who genuinely want to study no be those wey dey look for chance to escape from naija!!
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Do u want to study in the UK and do not know how to go about apply for a student visa or need assistance doing so? Well! i would be willing to help anyone who so desires for free depending on how much free time i have. i noticed that many Nigerians make mistakes in their application forms and thus get rejected by the embassy, so i intend to act as a guiding light to those of u out there. I have helped 2 Nairalanders (one in uni of Bolton and the other in london). Please i would assist only those who genuinely want to study no be those wey dey look for chance to escape from naija!!
contact me on visahelp2007@yahoo.co.uk

Proverb they say is the palm oil with which words are eaten!! African tradition is richly endowed with witty and interesting proverbs. I have decided to start this thread dedicated to proverbs. The proverbs could be in any language but of course the English translation should be given.

I am opening the floor with these proverbs……

The death that kills a man begins like an appetite

When your neighbour’s horse falls into a pit, you should not rejoice at it, for your own child may fall into it too.
"A village without elderly is like a well without water."
'Do not insult a crocodile while your feet are still in the water'.
The man who has bread to eat does not appreciate the severity of a famine.

This topic might sound somewhat controversial, so I beg you all to be objective and less emotional. How many times have we heard how resilient Nigerians are, how we can “survive” in any situation or circumstance. I look around me and all I see people taking short cuts to achieve their goal(s). There is no water in your public tap, what do you do? Drill a bore-hole of course! Roads are bad, what do you do? Buy a jeep!! No electricity? Buy a generator!! The list is endless!!! What makes the Nigerian tick? Someone made this rather coy joke; he asked what would a Nigerian do when he is faced with his back to the wall? Broke the wall and run away!!
What is it about us and impatience and wanting to take short-cuts? I was just at the British visa processing office at Oregun earlier this week. And to my amazement after undergoing my biometrics the Nigerian official manning the machine asked me to throw a five hundred naira under his table. What for I asked? He answered “so that I can inform you when you visa is out, sir”. I thought that was why I paid N27, 500!! I analysed this situation and then it occurred to me that this man was actually tickling the “Nigerian” in me. That part of me that want things to be done in a jiffy without regards to “due process”.
The floor is open to reactions and contributions……

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Can't wait for next season to start!! Sheva and Ballack betta get their acts together!! And what's that rusted Gun doing on this site. I hera Gallas is complaining that Wenger isn't buying quality players. !!
Shebi he thot it was greener at teh other side!! sorry man space no dey for bridge for u o!!
I agree Jose should tone down on his yabis in the media, tone down i said not STOP!! cos that guy adds tonic to the whole league.
Malouda is a good buy and hopefully wit him and Robben and Joe, teh SKY is the limit for TRU Blues!! i hear Maka has agreed to stay (wise decision).
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