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Politics / Re: Femi Fani-Kayode Returns Home After Joining APC, Receives Rousing Welcome by OKAIGUN252: 8:54am On Sep 21, 2021 |
You sure say nor be this guy sell Nnamdi kanu so, I never see chameleon like this before for my life 1 Like |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 7:39am On Sep 01, 2021 |
TAO11: One can draw two things from your comment here 1. Because of shared proximity 2. Because she was under Ife (as you have consistently want to make us believe) Now my question is Igbanke is an Igboid group in Edo state close to Benin but she did not capture the term "Oghene" neither by Proximity or by been under her precolonially(she is closer to Benin than Esan, Urhobo, is to her so the issue of proximity is out of it, she was also under Benin precolonially so that also cancel being under her as a factor) Why is it that it was only groups that were classified as Edoids that use such term According to her Sobo (Urhobo/Isoko) and Isa which is Esan are dialects of Bini, I did not say it And also Etsako do not border Bini directly. It certainly have more to do with being Edoid than anything else This only goes to show it is cognate, it is their common heritage, Etsako have a slightly different version "Oghena" It only shows that they got it as a group from their Proto-Edoid ancestor This only goes to show that it was borrowed and would have been given to them by shared proximity is false( as Isoko and Etsako do not directly Border Benin) and as we have seen above Etsako have a slightly different version "Oghena" 6 Likes 3 Shares
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Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 12:43am On Sep 01, 2021 |
TAO11:They brought it from Ife, they did not excavate anything. By asking me about the carbon dating of when Esans left that is you are implying they already left before the Benin Ife relationship If that is so, In essense you are Implying that all the other Edoids groups already left Benin before the Bini/Ife relationship because of the glaring similarity in dialects among Esan and Bini. Certainly she was the last to migrate My questions for you are 1. If they already left Bini before the Bini/Ife relationship how did it enter their Lexicon and why is there so a widespread use of of the term Oghene among Edoids groups Only what we can safely pull out from this is that if it was borrowed, it would have entered their Lexicon while they were in Bini for such a widespread use, why is it then that none can totally relate with the Bini/Ife tale If so is the case why is Bini the Only group in the Edoids family that refer to her As such Oghene'n'uhe. There are many missing links in History we still don't know the why's and where 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 12:08am On Sep 01, 2021 |
TAO11:the mind will see what it wants to see, In that same nonsense excavated, If you wish to point out similarities between Benin and Nri from that Very bronze, you will find it. TAO11:you said pre-1400, Many Urhobo clan migrated from Benin during the Ogisos reign and Also the striking similarities in dialects among Esans and Binis already put to rest that her history that she migrated during Ewuare's reign is in tandem with reality where they ran for safety because of his harsh laws, and that is how they got their name "Edo ni San fia" of the thirty five clans none can relate with it not even Igueben that is more like Benin in Language and culture. The thirty five clans can't be wrong for your excavation! They brought it from Ife, they did not excavate anything. By asking me about the carbon dating of when Esans left that is you are implying they already left before the Benin Ife relationship If that is so, In essense you are Implying that all the other Edoids groups already left Benin before the Bini/Ife relationship My questions for you are 1. If they already left Bini before the Bini/Ife relationship how did it enter their Lexicon and why is there so a widespread use of of the term Oghene among Edoids groups Only what we can safely pull out from this is that if it was borrowed, it would have entered their Lexicon while they were in Bini for such a widespread use. If so is the case why is Bini the Only group in the Edoids family that refer to her As such Oghene'n'uhe 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 11:09pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:It did not and cannot come from the Ooni This point has been debunked see point below The term Oghene was certainly not borrowed because of two reasons 1. it is used by all Edoids groups i.e by Urhobo/Isoko, Bini, Esan, Etsako. The widespread use already destroyed the fact it was borrowed, the most important is that If it was borrowed Other Edo groups should also use it to refer to the Ooni of Ife since they migrated during the Ogisos reign and the present dynasty. What is shocking to note is that for about Five groups which used it to refer to God primarily Bini included, Only Bini use it in reference to Ife What is even more shocking not only other Edo and Edoids groups do not use it to refer to Ife at all in their tongue, they also do not have it in their Orals that they have any dealings with Ife The Jaw breaker here are the Esans who totally do not relate with the Bini/Ife tale which seem to be an Irony as most of their clans migrated during this present dynasty, (Ewuare and Esigie's reign) That will only tell one how recent the Benin alliance with Ife is This point only goes to show that it was Bini's alliance with Ife that Introduced the term Oghene'n'uhe into her lexicon and not the other way round 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 11:00pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:Everything nor be paper e dae, Okaigun is just one person out of five million Binis. If I was insecure about this I wouldn't tell you to go to Bini and ask. If I quote Oba Eredieuwa you will want to relate it to the Bini/Ife tale . Sorry your tales of miletus and delusions cannolonger fly. Whatever you imply here now or make people to believe it won't change a thing and they would be shocked when they come to Benin because it is antithetical to truth and it is not in tandem with reality. I never see delusions like this before o I dae follow you drag my language ba wa o language wey you nor dae speak. Language wey na person like me give the woman info. How do you know a word is true in a tribe is general consensus. Egharevba can and is wrong, Even as Binis we have slightly different interpretations for words, what General consensus settles for is what is right. Egharevba's assertion of the Oghene as Yor. Ooni is not in tandem with the reality Even though in that dictionary. See point above for better understanding 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:39pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:It is not a claim it is reality, it is not for them to believe that is the matter but if they believe,it will be seen as believing "deception" it will not be in tandem with reality. As a slowpoke Yoruba you will rather live in delusion than face reality. Yor. Ooni for anyone who cares to listen was Egharevba's input and nothing more, how can I come forward with an evidence for a mistake I spotted today, what is the evidence really ? The only Evidence here is for you to find out from other Binis Old and young, friends and enemy who Okaigun have not come in contact with Fair enough? This back and forth endless talk don tire me abi you nor get who you wan play with ni 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:07pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:Which two of us can't agree?, this is a tongue, we are not ghost, the bulk of Binis live in Bini. It is only logical you get it there stop playing to the gallery and stop Dodging logic. Low self esteem Ozuo whatever you think of me it has not deflated my point in anyway 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 9:43pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:Sane people will go with The words of five million Binis who the dictionary was written for, There is no way I can bring evidence except I go to the field if it should come from my end you will probably feel it is was doctored, that is why I am giving you a wide array of options, go to Benin, go and treat your delusions and as well treat your esteem you will need it as you go forward in life. You will rather stay in Oshogbo because of one mistake that was made in the dictionary and delude yourself that your worthless king is called god in Benin than come and be rebuked to reality I am not saying you should take my word for it you can verify this, I have given you an open option, when you ask thirty Binis, both friends and enemy, old and young, they can't relate with it what a sane person should deduce are two things 1. That was probably a mistake 2. The dictionary was probably not written for us The yor Ooni have debunked before and I will debunk it here now The term Oghene was certainly not borrowed because of two reasons 1. it is used by all Edoids groups i.e by Urhobo/Isoko, Bini, Esan, Etsako. The widespread use already destroyed the fact it was borrowed, the most important is that If it was borrowed Other Edo groups should also use it to refer to the Ooni of Ife since they migrated during the Ogisos reign and the present dynasty. What is shocking to note is that for about Five groups which used it to refer to God primarily Bini included, Only Bini use it in reference to Ife What is even more shocking not only other Edo and Edoids groups do not use it to refer to Ife at all in their tongue, they also do not have it in their Orals that they have any dealings with Ife The Jaw breaker here are the Esans who totally do not relate with the Bini/Ife tale which seem to be an Irony as most of their clans migrated during this present dynasty, (Ewuare and Esigie's reign) That will only tell one how recent the Benin alliance with Ife is This point only goes to show that it was Bini's alliance with Ife that Introduced the term Oghene'n'uhe into her lexicon and not the other way round 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 9:22pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:If you are sensible, this is language and not history, how can I have such evidence for a mistake I and several Binis just spotted on Nairaland. This is a tongue that is still alive, of which I am A proud speaker, the only way to Know common sense should tell you is to go to the field and see if the report tallies with what Okaigun has said. Fair enough? What are you afraid of? Or you rather stick to your delusions as truth? All of us can't be lying ba if we are then the dictionary was probably not written for us. This is not one of such argument that can be left for you, if I leave it for you it is because I am tired of your delusions not because I think you won because you can't win this, a tongue that has not died out and I am still a proud speaker haba! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 9:00pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:If your delusions give you peace who am I to Obstruct. By all means carry on 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 8:35pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:I have not said you should come and see my father, go to Benin or look for Binis around you if they come up with anything different then I am not Okaigun, Abi na paper your research end "you nor wan get heart attack ni" you dae fear to conduct Independent survey, Go to our Villages if you must Okaigun is not there, Abi you nor get transport, you dae sleep under bridge ni. Fair enough? You nor wan get heart attack make you see say wetin dem tell you different, start with those Binis around you, those are not Okaigun, those are not Ugbe. As a Bini man I have told you your source is faulty. I am giving you the Opinion of five million Binis against your trash dictionary TAO11:If it was empty you won't quote it insecure fool TAO11:na so he be 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 6:29pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:I have thrown you a challenge, this is beyond Okaigun, Ugbe, samuk or any Bini you don't know this because you' ve not been out of Oshogbo before go to Benin or elsewhere. At least ask a minimum of nothing less than 30 persons and see if the dictionary was written for or by Binis or is actually an Owo dictionary. Your king is Bini god only in your dreams and delusions 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 12:38pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:No one said Akenzua was blind but that his work was not to check dictionary every other day because he was a first speaker of the Language Na you go need the dictionary just like I don't need it and as well I don't need a French dictionary. By bringing Egharevba into it, I was looking at the reasons from all Angles, that is why I also brought Omission as a possible cause of it being like that. you were The one that was making it an Egharevba vs Eredieuwa argument not knowing that the term has been there before 1978. This brain wey you dae talk na you go need am TAO11:and over 5 million Binis has said that was an error on their parts that it has been Oghene'n'uhe say the Ooni nor Baff reach there to call am Oghene Parading the thread with your bullshit making the people feel it is Oghene and not Oghene'n'uhe, you can no longer publish your lies without being rebuked TAO11:stop deflecting from the argument, all this one na style. Nobody knows Ugbe,samuk,Okaigun and Others but they are Binis right that dictionary na Owo dictionary? so the language in contention here knows them, Nobody know us for history, okay quite alright, we were not there. Again a language I am a first speaker Haba! I am an authority she is not, she got her knowledge from Bini speakers like me who must have distributed that in Error or purely it's a case of Omission. Nobody know her in Benin, it is what she got she wrote down and I alongside with other Binis are telling you confidently that it is in error! More Binis will still tell you in Future. If you come to Bini they will still tell you. In this language, the issue of "you are not known"does not matter, this is a language I am a speaker, I challenge you to ask any Benin, those who can speak the language whether they grew up in yorubaland or elsewhere, the Ones that are 40 years and above, you can't get a different answer anywhere I challenge you! So this is beyond me. Not that the language has died out, I have not seen hardened foolishness like this before, haba! At least that will help you reach a consensus if it's true or not. if you can get speakers of at least 80 years better or maybe sixty. Those who were already 18 before Eredieuwa's coronation. You think you are the only one that can rough, you are frustrated and you result to tantrum. When did Binis start worshipping a Man, Oghene Kor, Ogietor ni, how could Eredieuwa have invented a term that has been there before he was born let alone before he was coronated. This is the first time I am seeing it like that I am shocked just like every other Binis would so it is beyond Eredieuwa and the Izoduwa tale. TAO11:low self esteem mumu na you go need your sorry o you dae find who you wan dominate you nor go dominate Ilorin 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 11:52am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:I swear na you go need make use of your brain o before 1978 it has been there my father and grandparents have always refered to him as the Oghene'n'uhe. Some Benins don't subscribe to the Bini Ife tale but no one not even from Usen will refer to him as the Oghene, he don Baff. TAO11:This one is negligible, na to go dae carry dictionary go dae read na he be he work?. He might rule for 45 years and not even pick the dictionary for once! Stop making it seem like his work is to read dictionary. I am just seeing this dictionary for the first time. The few times he might pick it up he won't turn to that side, If not that you quoted that place directly, we won't have seen it, If I was given the dictionary to inspect, I won't spot that maybe spot others TAO11:Because I did it with you, you don't want to come down to my level, "I was like your own don too much" let us see who will have the last laugh. Your never giving up spirit Even in the face of glaring evidence is foolhardy. Because they are scholars they couldn't have made mistakes even by Omission, a language I have spoken for several decades haha! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 11:46am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:It is beyond Eredieuwa, this one is not the Izoduwa tale, stop making it sound it is like it. If you go to the deepest part of Urhonigbe(120 kilometers east of Benin, you will find it there, it was an obvious mistake on their part and it is Okay to make mistakes 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 11:39am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:Abroad that you are talking about is a neutral ground and also he spent his first ten years or more in Bini, Egharevba or not that is a mistake, more than five million Binis no one will relate with that story. There are bound to be mistakes in Books whether there is interest to gain or not, that text right there elude them. If she interact with me and several other Binis, those stationed in Bini and everywhere not even an Edo'n'ekhue will relate with that piece, so I ask again who Dem write am for maybe there are other mistakes there sef if one carefully scrutinized that dictionary. Would you expect it just be perfect, would you? 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 11:27am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:Egharevba na Yoruba man period you can't spend eighteen years in yorubaland and be seen to represent our interest. Your worldview is already perverted , I am not pleading why will I be pleading for what I know is right he was not so educated, these things are neglible and it is not in contention. he would have told the Oba it is alright, everything went well and it would pass. Little wonder his son criticized him on several stance, why can't anyone relate to what is there if you come to Bini today you will be shocked no one can relate with it. Who them write am for na Benin republic people There are bound to be mistakes here and there and that is one of the Obvious mistakes there 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 11:11am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:A Bini man that only returned to Benin for the first time in 1911 after 18 years cannot be trusted, not only was he yoruba by acculturation, he was also maternally yoruba. So I was safe when I called him a yoruba man with a Benin name 2 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 11:01am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:Egharevba grew up in Ekiti, and also with a yoruba mother, he is with a yoruba voice my sister. A Bini man that only returned to Benin for the first time in 1911 after 18 years cannot be trusted, not only was he yoruba by acculturation, he was also maternally yoruba. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:55am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:And no Bini fit relate with wetin you dae talk that one nor be juju Egharevba the yoruba man with a Bini name hand dae inside you nor see am 3 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:49am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:What is so sad is that you know the truth but you just want to mislead the public 3 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:40am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:why are you so adamant on stupidity, you think you can always have the last word not me not with me I have battery and I have your time. Even in the face of glaring evidence you still decide to be stupid 1 Like 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:36am On Aug 31, 2021 |
[quote author=TAO11 post=105347566][/quote]help my self for what I should be telling you that, to see that no Bini resonate with what you post is that not stupidity. Help yourself my sister 1 Like 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:34am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:My sister nor worry this one na for you and at most Egharevba. Don't worry one of these days you will get up from your low self esteem both on the liking of comment and on Oghene. You must have been battered so much as a Child to the extent that you fret at another person's like. You will come up 1 Like 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:21am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:The nonsense you post don't fly to everyone sensible that's why you are angry Ugbe is getting likes and you are not. Take heart It will be well with you I promise. Even your brothers that are usually on your side have deserted you, they know when you are delusional 2 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:14am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:Get out from your delusions, Nairaland is a big place, the nonsense you post don't fly, don't cry, you will be fine 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 10:03am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:God will help you o my sister Ugbe is a nightmare to you, it is only severe low esteem that will make you think the Binis call Ooni Oghene. Take care o 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 9:54am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:You nor debunk anything, we Binis are waking up and getting aware of the falsehood you guys are spreading I nor be Ugbe 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by OKAIGUN252: 9:51am On Aug 31, 2021 |
TAO11:The Bini word Oghene'n'uhe means Ooni Of Ife people. god of Ife people. "The name of the Ooni at ileife" it only means it is the name the Binis have for the Ooni in his capacity as the god of Ife people. He godhood na Ife he end just like Osa'negor. He godhood na Egor he end 3 Likes 3 Shares |
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