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Properties / Re: Off Plan Development @ Ikate Elegushi by olawale100: 11:44am On Aug 14, 2017 |
47 pile points done. Pile Integrity test done & passed Pile head done. Raft and slab next....
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Properties / Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by olawale100: 1:46pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Ioannes: Thank you so much for this post. All the piling job I had seen before were done using drilling machine and the concrete work was done via concrete mixer. I assumed that giving my job to a structural engineer was going to make things better for me. But I have learnt. Even if I am big enough to hire Julius Berger in the future, all the details will be perused in to to..... 4 Likes |
Properties / Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by olawale100: 1:37pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
jeftalene: Osaz, What I expected from you is an apology. You ignored my previous 3 emails and now you are writing that customer is not always right. Is there a difference between saying "I will always be on site until the job is completed" and "Most times when i leave the site, I ensure that one of my men are on ground to take over" I called you when I was informed that the drillers had stopped work, you said you will call your "people on site" and make solve the "mishap", I got to site about 45 minutes later, the drillers confirmed that only 20 points have been paid for, your man on site even tried to cover up, concrete had been mixed & solidifying, my materials was wasting, Cement is N2,750 per bag, and you said I should not intervene. Definitely if the amount that I am suppose to give you as balance is so much more than what the drillers are owed, I would have had no choice than to call you to order. But after doing the maths, I realize that the loss for me will not be drastic, even a reasonable person at that time would have still come over to make amends. What did you tell me? that you have eye problems that you will not be coming to the site again and that when the project is over, we can do addition and subtraction and balance out each other. You even thanked me for intervening and making sure the project is not delayed. Did you care to call on Friday when the project was completed? Did you find out how much additional funds I spent? It won't matter to you because you had made your profit and moved on. I sent a mail to you to complain of the quality of service, not once but twice, you did not respond or you pretended not to have seen it. Regarding your advise about laying it all on the table about methods, asking the right questions, etc, you are the professional here. You should have informed me in details what is required for the project. This will also allow the client to cost the project and know if he can afford it or not. Remember when we you came to the site for the first time, you said you wanted to buy iron casing for the piles, I asked why was I not informed about this before, you went to Owode onirin, to find out about iron casing and you told me it is too expensive to use because each unit costs 150k, even the borehole, you did not tell me I will need to drill one. it came at additional cost. If not for your greed, you would have allowed me to back out of the project because at some point, the way you answered some of my questions made me doubted your competency. If my Engineer asked you for bribe, you should have told me so. You still have the opportunity show me evidence, I don't think the bribe us critical to the way you behaved or how things turned out. Besides, he is an adult, I cannot control or be responsible for his action. But if the claim is established, that will be the end of the contract and my relationship with him. I will not join issues anymore on this matter. I have made my point. My conscience is free. 3 Likes |
Properties / Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by olawale100: 9:47am On Feb 28, 2017 |
jkdelloite: If Osaz has verifiable evidence that my supervising engineer demanded bribe from him, he should please tell me. I paid him what was negotiated and even gave him extra for telephone calls. At no point in time did Osa mentioned it to me that my Engineer demanded money. So why is it being mentioned here and now. There are other discoveries which are relevant, that I made during the course of the project but I decided not to mention it here. I do not want to make it look petty. The analogy I will make is this, if I pay for Mercedes, don't give me a VW bettle. Osaz should read his WhatsApp messages and check what he promised me. He said he will be on site everyday of the project. Did I force him to write that? Someone mentioned that I should not have paid the drillers, should I open my eyes and allow the project to drag unnecessarily? Please remember that I am paying for the casting machine and operator 15k per day. I even had the courtesy of sending him a text that I will move funds to the drillers. Why did Osaz not tell me that he will make the payment? If like he claimed, he had paid them for up to 39 points, why did he not call them to disprove their claim. My advise to anyone engaging any engineer or artisan or even in order sphere of human endeavour is to ensure there is no ambiguity or assumption when terms / scope of work are being discussed. 5 Likes |
Properties / Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by olawale100: 9:33am On Feb 28, 2017 |
godfatherx: I apologize for derailing the thread. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 4:46pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
I am based in Nigeria. His own is not a case of fraud but it is a case of ; 1. Irresponsibility - Abandoning site and duty. 2. Misinformation - Not specifying the type of drilling (Hand drill) and mixing (hand mix as against concrete mixer) method 3. Unprofessional - Subcontracted the job without ensuring the project is seen through. Like I mentioned, I had paid 78% of project cost, and the balance 22% was used to pay the drillers. The project cost me more eventually I had to pay for concrete mixer for 7 days and paid for casting of 12 pile points. My finger was burnt but not so much. If I did not know one or two things about buildings, I would have been dealt a bad blow. I actually sent a mail to him that I will post on Nairaland. 1 Like |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 3:22pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
I am writing this review not to cast aspersion on anybody's character but to guide and inform would be (future) clients on the likely quality of service they may get when you engage Engr Osaz – real name Osazuwa Enobakhare I wanted to do pile foundation for a property at Ikate Elegushi, Lekki area of Lagos. I got three quotes from nairalanders and after careful analysis and comparison, I decided to go with Engr. Osaz. I must confess my decision to go with Engr. Osaz was after reading the nice review written by one of his client, a medical doctor about the good job Engr. Osaz did for him at Isheri and also because he repeatedly stated that he is a structural engineer and will ensure the project will be properly & personally supervised. After initial discussion and a quote was sent, I requested for a contract, he mentioned it won’t be necessary because the job is not that “big and serious”. He sent his quote and I did not negotiate at all because I believe I am getting a value added service after Engr. Osaz assured me that he being a structural engineer will ensure the project is properly supervised and handled. After mobilizing him with about 25% of the project cost, he came to site with some equipment, I enquired from him where the drilling machine is, I was shocked when he said he will use hand drilling option. I informed him I am not comfortable with this option because the piles are 10 meters deep, and 450mm diameter for 45 pile points. At no time did he specified that hand drilling will be used. Lesson learnt is that when dealing with people, there should be no assumption at all. He reviewed the cost upward. At that time I was not willing to go ahead with him again. He had dug a borehole (I agreed to provide the submersible pump). I informed him that he should deduct the cost of the borehole and transport for the hand drills. I stated categorically that I will only use mechanical drilling machine, he said he review the cost and get back to me. He reviewed the cost upward by 300k. I perused and informed him he should just refund me less borehole and transport cost, he later sent another email that he has reverted to the original quote. At this point, I sensed it may be difficult and hectic to retrieve money from Engr. Osaz without it getting ugly or resulting to waste of time, I decided to go ahead with him. He requested for additional funds. I was not willing to part with more funds without seeing the drilling machine on site. He persuaded me that once I move the funds to him, he will bring the machine and move to site and ensure there is good progress on the project. After paying him, it took about two days for him to bring the machine to site. I lost my cool and reached out to him. I practically called him about 2o times within a period of 5 hours, his phone did not go through, always going to voicemail. Eventually, the next day, they started drilling, I got to site, I could not see any casting machine, I asked Osaz, Osaz said they will use dry mix. I have a supervising engineer on site who at this time became so furious and refused to allow work to proceed until a casting machine is brought to site. Osaz refused to provide a casting machine, stating the cost will be borne by me. I made arrangement for 6 days for casting machine and operator. I paid from my pocket for this. At this point, Osaz had been paid about 78% of the project cost. My supervising engineer is always on site and was not happy with the handling and execution of the project. Osaz apparently subcontracted the drilling job to someone else and was not there to supervise as he had promised. About the 4th day, 26 pile points had been drilled and casted. On day 5, Osaz came late in the evening to site and was having challenges paying the caster 10,000. Nobody was supervising the casting process. He charged me over 3 times of what he was paying them. My engineer informed me about this and I was really upset. I came to site the next morning, the caster informed me that the casting crew are not happy with the rate Osaz is paying them, they had casted 5 points the day before and each of them got 1,000 each. I arranged 6 workers, promised to pay them 2,200 per point, bought shovels and decided to take over the casting as I was really disappointed with the way Osaz was going about the project. In the Afternoon, I got the greatest shock on this project, the drillers down tooled, Osaz had only paid them for 20 points and they were supposed to be paid for another 20 points before they can proceed. I had to breach protocol, I engaged the drillers because I cannot afford my project to be stalled. (I am also paying for the casting machine on a daily basis) I enquired how much is being owed for the remaining 25 pile points. They told me it is 375,000. I moved 300,000 to the owner of the drilling machine and he immediately directed his boys to commence work. Osaz was no where to be found, he was incommunicado. He had the effrontery to call me and tell me cock and bull stories. I told him I have left him to God but I just had to let people know the type of person this guy is. AT the end, I paid for the concrete job for the last 12 points, I paid the drillers a sum of N375,000 Net, I lost some money but not so much, Osaz abandoned the job after he had collected a huge chunk of money from me for the project. He stopped coming to site altogether and most painful is when you call him and his phone does not go through. His is the most irresponsible behavior I have seen in a “professional”. I told him that most of my artisans that are not educated are more reliable and protect their reputation better. Osaz is not a man of his words, as a feedback, I will never engage Engr Osaz again and if I know anyone that is interested in engaging him, I will advise the party accordingly. That is my personal experience with this man 15 Likes |
Properties / Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by olawale100: 3:19pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
I am writing this review not to cast aspersion on anybody's character but to guide and inform would be (future) clients on the likely quality of service they may get when you engage Engr Osaz – real name Osazuwa Enobakhare I wanted to do pile foundation for a property at Ikate Elegushi, Lekki area of Lagos. I got three quotes from nairalanders and after careful analysis and comparison, I decided to go with Engr. Osaz. I must confess my decision to go with Engr. Osaz was after reading the nice review written by one of his client, a medical doctor about the good job Engr. Osaz did for him at Isheri and also because he repeatedly stated that he is a structural engineer and will ensure the project will be properly & personally supervised. After initial discussion and a quote was sent, I requested for a contract, he mentioned it won’t be necessary because the job is not that “big and serious”. He sent his quote and I did not negotiate at all because I believe I am getting a value added service after Engr. Osaz assured me that he being a structural engineer will ensure the project is properly supervised and handled. After mobilizing him with about 25% of the project cost, he came to site with some equipment, I enquired from him where the drilling machine is, I was shocked when he said he will use hand drilling option. I informed him I am not comfortable with this option because the piles are 10 meters deep, and 450mm diameter for 45 pile points. At no time did he specified that hand drilling will be used. Lesson learnt is that when dealing with people, there should be no assumption at all. He reviewed the cost upward. At that time I was not willing to go ahead with him again. He had dug a borehole (I agreed to provide the submersible pump). I informed him that he should deduct the cost of the borehole and transport for the hand drills. I stated categorically that I will only use mechanical drilling machine, he said he review the cost and get back to me. He reviewed the cost upward by 300k. I perused and informed him he should just refund me less borehole and transport cost, he later sent another email that he has reverted to the original quote. At this point, I sensed it may be difficult and hectic to retrieve money from Engr. Osaz without it getting ugly or resulting to waste of time, I decided to go ahead with him. He requested for additional funds. I was not willing to part with more funds without seeing the drilling machine on site. He persuaded me that once I move the funds to him, he will bring the machine and move to site and ensure there is good progress on the project. After paying him, it took about two days for him to bring the machine to site. I lost my cool and reached out to him. I practically called him about 2o times within a period of 5 hours, his phone did not go through, always going to voicemail. Eventually, the next day, they started drilling, I got to site, I could not see any casting machine, I asked Osaz, Osaz said they will use dry mix. I have a supervising engineer on site who at this time became so furious and refused to allow work to proceed until a casting machine is brought to site. Osaz refused to provide a casting machine, stating the cost will be borne by me. I made arrangement for 6 days for casting machine and operator. I paid from my pocket for this. At this point, Osaz had been paid about 78% of the project cost. My supervising engineer is always on site and was not happy with the handling and execution of the project. Osaz apparently subcontracted the drilling job to someone else and was not there to supervise as he had promised. About the 4th day, 26 pile points had been drilled and casted. On day 5, Osaz came late in the evening to site and was having challenges paying the caster 10,000. Nobody was supervising the casting process. He charged me over 3 times of what he was paying them. My engineer informed me about this and I was really upset. I came to site the next morning, the caster informed me that the casting crew are not happy with the rate Osaz is paying them, they had casted 5 points the day before and each of them got 1,000 each. I arranged 6 workers, promised to pay them 2,200 per point, bought shovels and decided to take over the casting as I was really disappointed with the way Osaz was going about the project. In the Afternoon, I got the greatest shock on this project, the drillers down tooled, Osaz had only paid them for 20 points and they were supposed to be paid for another 20 points before they can proceed. I had to breach protocol, I engaged the drillers because I cannot afford my project to be stalled. (I am also paying for the casting machine on a daily basis) I enquired how much is being owed for the remaining 25 pile points. They told me it is 375,000. I moved 300,000 to the owner of the drilling machine and he immediately directed his boys to commence work. Osaz was no where to be found, he was incommunicado. He had the effrontery to call me and tell me cock and bull stories. I told him I have left him to God but I just had to let people know the type of person this guy is. AT the end, I paid for the concrete job for the last 12 points, I paid the drillers a sum of N375,000 Net, I lost some money but not so much, Osaz abandoned the job after he had collected a huge chunk of money from me for the project. He stopped coming to site altogether and most painful is when you call him and his phone does not go through. His is the most irresponsible behavior I have seen in a “professional”. I told him that most of my artisans that are not educated are more reliable and protect their reputation better. Osaz is not a man of his words, as a feedback, I will never engage Engr Osaz again and if I know anyone that is interested in engaging him, I will advise the party accordingly. That is my personal experience with this man 29 Likes 6 Shares |
Properties / Re: 12 Mtr DEEP& 6Mtrs DEEP PILLING BY MOORE by olawale100: 8:22am On Jan 23, 2017 |
Welldone Oga Segzy. Please can you assist with the contact of the drilling people that did your piles. Please send information to olabintan@gmail.com. Thanks |
Properties / Re: 12 Mtr DEEP& 6Mtrs DEEP PILLING BY MOORE by olawale100: 8:46am On Oct 14, 2016 |
segcymoor: |
Properties / Re: 12 Mtr DEEP& 6Mtrs DEEP PILLING BY MOORE by olawale100: 3:51pm On Oct 04, 2016 |
Well done Oga Segzy. I am looking forward to the test section |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 5:15pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
abdulwastecx: Volume of tank is 22/7 multiplied by radius squared by height |
Properties / Re: 50yrs Warranty Quality Stone Coated Roofing Tiles At Affordable Rates by olawale100: 10:49am On Jul 27, 2016 |
What is the name of your product and how much is per square meter |
Properties / Re: Nexthome Official Complaint Thread by olawale100: 6:45pm On Jul 11, 2016 |
This is really sad that an individual like Brabus can be behaving like this and keeps getting away with it. Before any professional (Draughtsman, architect..) agree to do a drawing, the first thing he/she should demand is the survey plan. This will show the piece of land dimensions. It is that simple and if the client refused to supply the survey, you have two choices; either to decline the engagement or to have a waiver signed that will relieve you of any liability. It is obvious Brabus did not advise the client and now resorted to blame the client. This is not an acceptable behaviour by any standard and I am sure if Nigeria were to be a civilized society, Brabus will be cooling off behind bars now. Caveat emptor ...Buyers beware...na Niaja be dat o 5 Likes |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 11:30am On Jul 11, 2016 |
olumide4christ: Thank you so much Olumide4Christ for the detailed information and for your time / patience. I will like to have the further information. my email address is olawale100@yahoo.com Thanks |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 10:28am On Jul 08, 2016 |
Thanks a lot Mr. Mavverick, a couple of high rise (5) floors in Oniru area of Lagos have elevators installed. I will go the route of physical visitation if I cannot get in house information. Thanks |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 9:22am On Jul 08, 2016 |
Good Morning ladies & gentlemen. Please I need advise regarding incorporating a Lift in a proposed block of flats. 3 Levels for now (i.e ground, 1st & 2nd floors) In terms of number of floors, what does the building code (Lagos state) stipulate? Kindly advise if you have any idea of cost estimate to acquire and install as well as yearly maintenance Thank you. |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 12:42pm On Jun 23, 2016 |
@MSogunro The cost msogunro: ***This is a rough calculation. The perimeter of the piece of land is 30 + 30 + 31 + 36 = 127 meters. Roughly, you will have 40 regular pillars and 2 big pillars for the gate. The length of a block is 18 inches which translates to 0.45 cm Leaving out 4 meters for the gate, you have 123 meters left. 123 / 0.45 equals 273.33 per coach. If you are going to have 10 coaches, for blocks alone, you will need 2800 (making provision for wastage) 2800 times 170 (cost of block) N476,000 Bricklayer charges about 50 naira to lay one block, therefore labour cost estimate is 140,000 You will also need between 80 and 90 bags of cement @ 1650 = N148,500 If you have to buy water, that will be about 8k for a water tanker You will also need about 1 - 2 trips of 15 tonnes sharp sand (for the block setting alone) More sharp sand trips will be needed if you will be casting the base and the pillars That is just the beginning. depending on the terrain you are building, you may need to do a raft (either I or an inverted T) The cost implementation will vary, so more details is required. Because this will involve iron rods, labour charge for iron bender, formwork by carpenter or formwork rental (steel shutters) Woods, nails, binding wire This is just a guide. More details is needed for more accurate estimate. Regards 3 Likes |
Properties / Re: How Does This Spetic Tank Work? by olawale100: 4:24pm On Jun 17, 2016 |
It is a very systematic process and it must be done by those that are well versed in it. The digging is done in such a way that the sides go down uniformly. That in itself take some expertise because it has to be leveled. The most important part is the sealing. I witnessed one, after they get to the base, granite is poured and a hole is dug at the middle and a 4 inch pipe that is lacerated is kept inside. That is where the pumping machine hose is connected to and left to pump for many hours. If properly done, cars can drive on it |
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 3:33pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Bad things happen not only when good people refuse to act, but also when good people keep quite. It is always good to relay bad experiences. Many Nairalanders especially in diaspora relies on what they see on this site to make their judgement. Please let us speak up against this bad people. If people make genuine mistake, that is entirely different. Will you look away if a bad person commit a crime such as rape? It could be your sister or daughter tomorrow. Evil multiplies when good people look away.. 7 Likes |
Properties / Re: Off Plan Development @ Ikate Elegushi by olawale100: 3:58pm On Jun 15, 2016 |
How much is the flat going for? Is this an off plan development? |
Properties / Re: Lekki Phase 1: Can You Live In This Area(photos) by olawale100: 1:18pm On Jun 10, 2016 |
Some parts (Not all) of Lekki floods yearly and there was a particular year when Tinubu was still the governor that a part of Admilralty road (leading to the Lagoon) opposite Prince Adelowo Adedeji actually caved in. People live in Lekki for many reasons, one of such is that, people that work around VI, Ikoyi and Ajah prefer to live near the offices in order to avoid daily traffic that can be as many as 6 hours to and fro. VI even flooded badly yesterday, what else do you expect from a reclaimed expanse of land. Most part of Lagos is below sea level. But is it possible to manage this flood? I think the answer is yes. Venice, Italy is built on water. This is an engineering problem that can be solved accordingly if our housing authorities channel their attention towards it. As at yesterday's evening, all the massive bodies of water in the picture posted above were no where to be found. For me o, I will live there well well |
Properties / Re: what stage can 4m get to for a 3bedroom of 4 flats by olawale100: 3:11pm On Jun 09, 2016 |
The best approach is to share the dimension of the Block of flats. I will probably suggest between 24m - 26m length and width of 14m to 16m The soil type will determine the foundation to be applied. If it is raft, and depending on the height, you will barely fix the ground beams. The funds may not cover filling and slab. The ground beam breakdown, about 8 tonnes of reinforcement @ 140,000 = 1,120,000 Cement 250 bags @ 1600 = 400k, granite (2 trips) = 270,000, sharp sand / stone dust = estimated 270,000 Woods for formwork (nails, binding wire)= boards and 2 by 3 = 600,000 Labour for casting, iron bender, carpenter ***** Please note, these are just estimates Omo...4M don finish be dat o |
Properties / Re: Building Collapse, Construction Failures - Who's To Blame? by olawale100: 10:54am On Jun 07, 2016 |
From my little experience, I think the causes are many. Let me try and highlight some. When a building collapse, most likely than not, it is because of structural problem(s). In my own opinion, the structural engineer work is the most important in a building. Many buildings don't even follow the recommendations of the structural engineer. The other reason is adhering to concrete mix ratios of different structural members. Like previously mentioned, can the land carry the intended live & dead load of the proposed building? Was a soil test done and what type of foundation was recommended? For most areas in Lagos where there are swamps / marshy lands, unless you are building a bungalow, adequate geo technical soil analysis should be done. The guys at the planning office, are they monitoring properly to look out for these anomalies? Due to economic situation and many people want to do DIY, many people cut corners in terms of materials they are supposed to use. Columns that should have 16mm iron rods 12mm are used instead. Are builders / engineers licensed or regulated properly, what happens when their work fails? 1 Like 1 Share |
Properties / Re: If You Are Building A House And You Want To Incorporate Solar Energy, Read This by olawale100: 3:45pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
Kindly send quote for 1.5Kva and 3.5Kva. Please, I will also need a quote to convert an existing inverter charged by PHCN to fully run on Solar. oolabintan@yahoo.com Thanks |
Properties / Re: Turkish Floor And Wall Tiles Available At Affordable Prices For Sale!!! by olawale100: 3:28pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
Nice tiles. Please where can we see them. where is your shop. Regards |
Properties / Re: Calculating The Numbers Of Blocks You Need For Your Fence by olawale100: 2:20pm On Jun 02, 2016 |
Nice form work. Can you post the pictures after the steel frame was removed? 1 Like 1 Share |
Properties / Re: Off Plan Development @ Ikate Elegushi by olawale100: 4:58pm On Apr 26, 2016 |
This development is commencing soon. The location is fantastic. You turn off at the 4th Roundabout Many development are on going in this area of Lekki. Located within the serene Seagate Estate. Kindly call us for further information. e-Brochure can be sent to you. Thanks |
Properties / Re: Proper Analysis Of Design And Cost Of A Foundation Design For Bungalows by olawale100: 10:01am On Apr 18, 2016 |
joshua112: I suspect he may have transposed the costing for the granite and sharp sand. 30 tons of granite is 135k - 2 Nos will be equal to 270k |
Properties / Re: Fence Design, Costing And Constuction By The Harneyprojects Team by olawale100: 8:51am On Apr 12, 2016 |
Thanks for the detailed explanation 1 Like |
Properties / Re: Construction Of A 3bedroom Bungalow Somewhere In Ajah by olawale100: 3:16pm On Dec 18, 2015 |
I think it would have been better to use some for form of reinforcement even if it is 8Y/10Y or even a quarter rod. This would have guaranteed more strength and stability. |
Properties / Re: Construction Journal | Browne Mews By Nexthome by olawale100: 9:12am On Dec 09, 2015 |
My Honest advice for Brabus, try and inculcate / imbibe traits of interpersonal skills. Sometimes, you may be right, you don't have to claim your rights every time. In this type of business, referrals will take you far. That means you will not have to expend effort on marketing your business, your work and antecedents will precede and hopefully make way for you. Try and make peace with all men, most especially people that you have serviced before. They have trusted you and given you jobs. When there is disagreement, try and resolve to logical ends. A lot of assumptions goes into building. For most clients, it may be their first experience, let there be clarity and try to very specific in all your deliveries. @Maverrick, the picture about the block work not aligning with the foundation is not really out of place. Form work for ground beams shift during casting. This can cause the slab not to be properly square. But the block work must be squared. Usually, the foundation is not plastered so you don't have to incur so much for plastering. 1 Like |
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