BahPulo:


Yes there is they call us 'nderhingue' mostly coming from the wolof though. I considered myself most of my life Senegalese, but when I went to Guinea for the first time I changed to being guinean and on top of that I married a Guinean poulo. so I started speaking poular more. being around the culture made me feel belonging for the first time and I liked. I don't even carry my Senegalese passport anymore. My father was one of those forced to leave during the reign of Sekou Toure. Don't get me wrong Senegal has been good to him and his family. My friends whom I went to school with just don't get this change of identification to them I am as senegalese as they are. But I love this feeling of not being a guess . I am very pro fulani. I can be respectful to anyone but the moment I sense you have this hatred toward my people you will loose me for good.

As for the Gnak word I hate it!! I don't hesitate to call anyone around me who uses it. there is just this arrogance about saying the word that irk me the wrong way. My school had many camerounais expats, I thought them the nicest of people i just can't tolerate this word.

What does "nderhingue" mean ?
Long time no see sister. No Sumaaye wadhou ma?

Fulaman198:


God bless the great region of West Africa Walahi!!!

@OmarBah, Noy sumaaye jam?

Al Hamdulilihai dendiraawo, Sumaaye no e jam.
Ramadan Mubarak. Yo Allah Yaafo en, ja6a sumaaye men on.

Takamba:


Actually technically Senegal dosen't stop at the river. It goes way beyond, the Wolof Walo kingdom and the Futa kingdom exist in both countries. Some say that Senegal border is about 100 km or more beyond the river.
As you may know Saint Louis was until the independences the capital of Senegal and mauritania. The story says that after independences Hassan 2 proposed to Senghor a division of Mauritania because technically it never existed as a country or even as a solid kingdom before colonisation.
The southern part of the country will belong to senegal, and up north would be part of morrocco. Morrocco would then avoid the problems its experiencing with the polisario and will have a much larger and unified territory, because the southern morroccans and the mauritanian moors are the same population. And Senegal would have the control of the river and a much larger territory, added to the fact that populations are the same from both sides of the river.
Senghor refused. Some said that he wasn't to pleased at the idea to have a neighbour as powerful as morroco, another fact was he was affraid of the power that differents groups such as the moors could have.
He was specialy afraid of toucouleur (not fulbe) revendications. He was aware of the toucouleur mentality and adding that part of mauritania would create a bigger toucouleur population with their intellectuals and marabouts etc. That power they could have would be then dangerous for him (I guess they could choose to support mamadou dia instead).
I used to criticize his choice (I still do). But seing the recrudescence of terrorism in the region, I sometimes think that it was not that bas as a choice.

It was a mistake on his part seeing what is happenning to black people in Mauritania today. Plus he was just afraid of Dia since the clerics supported Senghor instead of him when they had a fall out. Clerics decided to go with their interests instead of those of the Senegalese population. Dia just wanted an economy based on production, but thats another story.
Senghor was too much of a white person to me. I am sorry for saying this but he was a ture "oreo".

Takamba:


Lol I understand, he is not from the area. If he repeats the stuff about bloodline in front of an old Torodo!
Toucouleurs are crazy!
Do you know they were one of the reasons of the birth of Mauritania as a country?

No I didnt. I know black people have trouble getting their voices heard there.
I remember during Souleymane Baal era, they did put the border between them and the Berbers at the river. Is there any other story?

Takamba:


His mum is a Sarakhole from Koussanar in Tambacounda, only the dad is Haal Pulaar

Sure but still his culture is that of fulbe.

Takamba:


I'm not in Senegal right now, but you never know.

I have heard dare Fulaman tell Tukulor they are not fulbe lol, it would not end well in my opinion. Tukulors are very proud people. Fulbe in general are proud, sometimes TOO proud.

Takamba:


I prone peace, I don't think it is fair to cite derogatory names. Let's just say the good impressions Senegalese have on Guineans. There sure are problems but problems exist everywhere.

Alright.

Takamba:


Takamba is a traditional songhai and tamachek music from north mali. The name just crossed my mind, plus I like the music
No guineans are not called niak, but I've heard other names. Overall I cannot speak for everyone, but there are mitigated feelings about them.
Senegalese appreciate guineans because they are hard working (they don't beg), unlike other nationalities.

Other names such as?

Takamba:


Some senegalese and mauritanians Fulanis told me that they couldn't understand easily guinean fulani, but guinean fulani understood their pulaar. I also think that guinean fulanis understand pretty quickly pulaar. Guess it works both ways...

Takamba( what does the name mean, I like it).
Sister, how do Senegalese feel about Guinea Fulbe? Unlike other foreigners, we are not called "Gnak" but is there any form of resentment?

Lol! Berbers are basically ARAbS mate, good examples are Karin benzema and Zinedine Zidane, can you differentiate them from ARAbS? But they're Berbers. Africa is indeed diverse, indeed the site of creation.

No they don't look your typical negroe, but so do many African ethnicities, that doesn't mean they look Semitic, just imagine them with a pale skin. Also even the purest fulbes hair is not soft or curly as a Semites, but in the Berbers case it is, they have the same shade of complexion and everything with Semites. Also, the protuding nose of a Semite is unlike that of the fulbes, if they had the complexion of a Semite,motherly look absolutely different, infact they'll look weird, that darker shade of theirs is part of their appeal.

Never in my life have I seen a tainted ethnicity like the hausa ethnicity. The most obvious fact is that Usually an ethnicity is supposed to have at least certain physical features, hausas in Nigeria do not, due to inter marriage and flexible principle. Once a person speaks hausa fluently he can claim hausa and you can't challenge it, some so called hausas may or not be aware of their true ancestry but they claim hausa, some even use it as a term to refer to all northern Nigerias, that's not what an ethnicity should be. I gave an example earlier with my family, none of my siblings look alike, we are all of different shades, it's like a circus show, and it's all thanks to inter marriage, it's like an Arab giving birth to a strawberry blonde with blue eyes which in normal circumstances is actually impossible. So I reiterate, hausa is not an ethnicity, it's a tribe of people who share the shame language and culture. But one can argue that ethnicities can be racially diverse but if you put it that way then the hausas in Nigeria can't be real Hausas if true Hausas from other countries exist. It's all very complicated.


See pictures below, a Berber, a pullo and a Jew (Semite), notice the difference and similarities.

There are no tribes in West Africa. You have ethnic groups.

If you say the Berbers look Semitic I'm inclined to agree with you because they are arabs, basically. Agains the fulanis do not look Semitic, they have their own unique look, a fulani man if he were pale would not look like a Semite.

If those dark fulbes truely have Mande link then the fulanis definitely adopted their language from them because the Mandes speak a Niger Congo language, based on how the fairer fulbes look, their original region is definitely further north from there and therefore could not have been the true speakers of fulfulde. Hausa in Nigeria is not an ethnicity, it's a tribe.

Berbers are NOT Arabs. It would be very insulting to say so.

kaura5000:
O.k let me say fula slaves in America

Captives not slaves. A slave is a man that accept his condition.

Takamba:


Wassoulous are famous for their inability to speak fulbe in Mali. A lot of their ancestors have been exterminated that's why.

Exterminated?
They lost the language due to living among Maninka and marrying there. They did build an empire there and many of them were warriors in Samory's conquest.

Takamba:


Wassoulous are fulbe-mandingues, they are mixed somehow, but they retained their fulani culture.

True which is why Maninka still call them Fula even though they have lost the language. They did retain the culture and the cattle.

Takamba:
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True, but to make it clear the only reason why senegalese fulani sounds so different to you is because fulani basically originate from the fouta valley as you know. Now I've heard fanciful assertions (not from you or omar bah) about fulani culture and people. It's not that complicated.
From the desertification of sahara to the end of the Tekrour empires; fulani, wolofs, soninke, moors, serer and all these groups lived together. At that time fulani were not in contact with hausas or the other groups they live with today.
They were living with their neighbours and there have been intermixing among the different groups from that time. Intermixing in marriages, customs, languages etc
That form of fulani you hear (the senegalese) one was probably exported to other places during their different migrations and then it changed when it came in contact of other cultures, because whether we accept it or not fulani have never lived in isolation, they are a very open people, that is the reason why they have been able to conqueer all these kingdoms.
Now I understand your confusion because young fulanis of senegal and mauritania think that it is more swagg to speak wolof or to mix wolof with their language, there is thus a street style fulani version mixed with wolof, french or english words. It's the one you hear the most often with some young people.

Thank you for the compliment, I was thinking about myself when I said that non fulanis can look fulani. I look very fulani and yet I am not. So I understand your explanation about the looks.

Actually Futa Toro fulbe are very proud of their language. Anytime I would speak french to them in Senegal they would reply in Pulaar. No latter than two days ago I met one at the Masjid. They usually understand Guinean Pular easier than we understand them. It only takes a few weeks to get used to their accent. The words and structure of the language is the same, the prononciation is what changes.

Takamba:


Our ennemies: A big word, I guess the "our" is you pullos hehe. El hadj Omar was a typical tukulor, if you know the man well you'll understand. I don't think tukulors need validations from other fulani. Go to fouta tooro and repeat your phrase to any toucoulor, I don't dare to do it, but you can try.
Tukulors are pullos, yes they are a subgroup because most of them are sedentary. They are not a recent group Ndiadiane Ndiaye mother was Toucouleur and Ndiadiane was born in the 11th century. They insist to differentiate themselves because they are special people, I don't want to badmouth them .

Demba Ba mother is Soninke. He is both by bloodline: Toucouleur/Soninke. What he defines himself culturally I wouldn't know as I don't know him personnally, but I think he is pretty close to the Toucouleur side.

Demba Ba is Pullo. He even said that his parents forbid him from speaking any other language at home but Pulaar.
You can look it up.

Fulaman198:


I don't know how the Senegalese Fulbe classify the Tukulor, but one Senegalese Fulani once told me that Tukulors and Fulbe typically don't get along that they are our enemies (I don't know if that is true because I have some Tukulor friends on Facebook and they are very friendly to me). However, he said that despite the fact we speak the same language and often the Tukulor are referred to as sub-group of Fulbe.

Do you consider someone like Demba Ba for example a Tukulor or actual Fulani? He only spoke Pulaar/Fulfulde at home when growing up. To me, I consider them Fulani, but to some other Fulani in Nigeria, they view them as Rimaybe (like Julde Camara).

The thing about the Tukulor is that they don't practise real Pulaaku. Most of them are Fishermen living on the border of Senegal and Mauritania (like Baaba Maal for example who hails from Podor). As you know Fulbe are renowned for being Waynaabe (herdsmen). The only real distinction between the Tukulor and the typical Fulani is mainly in cultural practises. One is a Fisherman, the other is a Herdsman.

Any Tukulor living outside of Senegal identifies as Pullo or Pullo Torodo. And today in Senegal, there are all described a Pullo by the administration. There is no separation.

Takamba:


So I imagine that you are aware of the bloodlines of the "pure" Fulanis? I guess you know that they exist fulani maccudos (slaves), who are slaves but fulanis in origin. A very powerful figure of my country was recently dubbed to be one (I won't cite his name, don't want to end up in jail).

Wade crossed the line on that one.

Fulaman198:


So true my brother. I know that Kaura doesn't want to admit it, but I think she deep down dislikes us Fulbe.

That's quite alright. You know, I have gotten used to it. Whether people like us or dislike us does not matter. Respect is the only thing that does.

Fulaman198:


OmarBah is a Fulani from Guinea so I will hold back a lot on my opinion in regards to Guinea.

It is true that Guinea is a lot more liberal in regards to Islam than say Nigeria, but It's not my place to judge. I still think good men and women come out of Guinea.

Senegal is a mixed bag. It has garnered notoriety in its ability to attract older white women seeking young black males (most of which are Wolof). Some parts of Senegal are extremely religious whilst other parts are more liberal.

I still do not know what she meant that fulas in Guinea and Senegal are the worst. Like you said, some people from these countries are too liberal and others too convervative. Those two countries are among the few where it is extremely rare to see a Fulani who isn't Muslim. I was shocked to see Fulani Christians in Burkina Faso and apparently there are some in Nigeria too.
No later than last week, in Labe, the city with the largest Fula concentration banned a sell on Alcohol in clear violation of any law that applies to the rest of the country. A few months back, there was a Fula cleric that said he received emissaries asking him to join Boko Haram. Why am I mentionning this? I would rather let women dress how they want, let people be liberal or conservative willingly than have the society fall into extremism. You could end up with crazy Africans that want to be Arabs, with no understanding of the essence of Islam start bombings mosques in their misguided attempt to turn African Muslims into Saudi style Muslims.

Takamba:


Actually islam penetred Wolof society almost as early as in Toucouleur society, the thing is most Wolofs were just very mild muslims. Most of them were ceddo and muslims at the same time.

Most ethnic groups in the region got exposed to Islam around the 11th century with the Almoravids. But like I said, it did not take a stronghold among them. Fulanis in Guinea, Mali and even Souleymane Baal in Northern Senegal had to fight the fula pagans among themselves too.

kaura5000:
But mind you I have nothing against fula is just that when stating facts we must say it correctly.. which I maintain there is minimal contribution by fula to civilization if northern nigeria.. and also fulbe didnt islamize any major west african tribe... n

Wrong, the Bambara embraced Islam after the Jihad of Seku Amadu and later on El Hadj Umar Tall. Also the major Marabout families in Senegal are of Tukulor origins. And it was during the Jihads of Tukulors( more of less successful) and later on Mouridism that Islam penetrated Wolof society. It was these Jihads that made it possible for a Muslim to practice his religion freely in Senegal, Gambia, Guinea and Mali.

kaura5000:
Lol I mean the people you guys made muslim... when you are talking of different practice of islam between hausas.. what would you say about the fulbe from guinea and senegal? I think those guyz from this countries are the worst...

And what do you mean they are the worst?

ScreledrusMortm:


Alive? Barely. Well? Hell no!

We will let Fulaman be the judge of that.

I am a Nigerian, I can only speak for my country and I project that in Nigeria things are not looking good for fulfulde. Maybe not in other countries but Nigerian fulbes have a lot of work to do.

That is only true in the Northwest, fulaman can correct me if I am wrong but Northeastern Nigeria,the language is alive and well.

Fulaman198:


I have no issue with them as well Fulamaninka (Wasulu/Wassolou), Hausa-Fulbe, etc. etc. but most of the time when the Fulbe mixes with another group they adopt that groups language. Most Wasulu can't speak Fulfulde/Pulaar they only speak a Mande language. Most Fulbe/Songhai mixes (Gabero) only speak Sonrai/Songhai/Zarma.

That is the disadvantage and it happens when we are surrounded by others and they dominate us in numbers. In Futa Jallon, many Fulanis have mixed with others and you will see common people with Mande last names that consider themselves Fulanis.
We migrate a lot, contrary to other Africans. And if we want to retain the language in every condition, we need to teach it and force the children to speak. That is the only way.

ZoranderGraeme:

Actually I do. Why else do I worry about their tribe or ethnicity going extinct.

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Yes, you mentioned how we're communicating in English, but we know we are not english, we just happen to peak their language, the moment we start calling ourselves english men or Norse men or whatever... then we've defiled their ethnicity.

I beg to differ, your people are abandoning their language, most of them don't even know how to speak it or care to learn. A good example is a good friend of mine whose paternal and maternal grand parents are both fulbe but he doesn't speak the language, and he detests people calling him fulbe. It really baffles me, if this continues, in the next decade, your language will surely face extinction.



I can't argue with your wisdom here.



So do I, I wish all my hausa brothers spoke fulfulde while retaining their identity as Hausas. I am in support of that but abandoning your roots is something that makes me sick to the stomach.

Just like Fulaman mentioned it to you, in the northeast part of nigeria, the language is still alive. The funny thing is, fulfulde is the lingua franca in Northern Cameroon, everyone speaks it.
You are wrong to think fulfulde will be extinct. Fulbe live as far as Senegal, Guinea , Mali and Mauritania and the language is well alive, spoken and written.
Those fulanis in the Northwest that abandonned their language did not do it because they hate it. They chose Hausa not only because it is easier to learn but also everyone around them speak it. Unlike other areas that Fulanis had taken, it seems like in Hausaland, they were more benevolent I guess to the proximity of the two cultures.

ZoranderGraeme:


Well to be honest I feel bad for those northern ethnic groups because if things continue like this, in a few decades those ethnic groups will cease to exist.

It does not seem like you feel sorry for them. You said Hausa has been defiled by other ethnic groups. Though I believe Fulfulde will be revived in the Northwest and continue to grow in Northeast, I think what makes Northern Nigeria strong as a political region is its relative unity language and religion wise despite the multitude of ethinicities . You should retain and be proud of it. I wish more people in Northern Nigeria spoke fulfulde . The more your language is borrowed by others, the richer and more prestigious it becomes.

ZoranderGraeme:


I really like you, you're a true traditionalist. I think the hausa ethnicity has been defiled by other northern tribes including your fellow fulanis or pullo or fulbe or whatever. You can see why I, a one hundred percent ethnic hausa bloke may find offense to that. I like that you're calling your pullo brothers like this confused OP to order. Everybody should stay true to his/her roots.

Dont you think with others embracinf your language and your culture to some extent, you should be proud of it? I mean Hausas are assimilating other Northern ethnic groups. We are exchanging on this platform with a language created by white folks afterall. I am sure the English are happy to see their language conquer the world.

CAMNEWTON4PRES:


The Muslims were the first to misbehave and as usual the rest of the community kept shut to only cry blue murder when the Christians started retaliating, besides Fulani weren't not specifically targeted.

Yes Nairaland, newspapers etc all play a role in our we see thing.

Are you serious? Muslims had been persecuted in CAR for a long time. Even having a job as a government worker was tough, same with identity cards with their nationality being questioned all of the time. Plus those fulani herdsmen didnt have anything to do with Seleka.

rigarmortis:


you sold out to the arabs son.

for the promise of 72 heavenly virgin 0.rgy, and a mess of pottage, do you want us to debate?

like I said I mean no insults here, just stating facts as I see it, you can educate me, though.

State your facts my good man, not opinions.

rigarmortis:



these days its hard to mention or see the word "Fulani" in the papers without herdsman following.

since I was born, I have never read about Fulani herdmans in a positive light. all negative, this is not tribalism here, my good man, I am just curious as to why this is so.

i also heard that some,................wel lets call them Fulani, cos they cant be pure bred Fulani, reknowned for nobility......well i hear they sometimes, how can i say this.....well i heard that they engage in coitus with their cows when they are far from their settlement, they are noMads, you know?

pls i want you to read this with an open mind and clear all doubt, there must be others out there too who will like to know it its myth or reality.

lastly why are fulanis so aggressive and hot blooded, seems like they take a great delight in burning villages, according to the newspapers anyway, would appreciate your answers.

Lmao and you believed it?
Let me ask you something. Is it true that some southern and central Nigerian eat human beings and sacrifice babies and familiy members for the sake of being wealthy? Real talk . I remember that horror house in Ibadan. Do you do it too?