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Politics / Re: “it’s Buhari In 2019 Or We Burn The Zoo Down” Engr. Potiskum by OrisaEsu: 1:09am On Feb 06, 2018 |
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Health / Re: NAFDAC Seizes Two Trucks Of Tramadol by OrisaEsu: 6:11pm On Feb 05, 2018 |
Wow! 1 Like |
Celebrities / Re: Femi Ogedengbe: "I Work As Security Guard In US, Nigeria Is Shithole Country" by OrisaEsu: 6:09pm On Feb 05, 2018 |
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Politics / Re: No Be Today Yoruba Begin Get Headache On Top Igbo Matter - Pics by OrisaEsu: 5:52pm On Feb 05, 2018 |
Nice. I have read the print severally and still can’t find the ’jealousy’. Can anyone point it outto me, please? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Ambode: "I Am More Igbo Than Any Other Person" by OrisaEsu: 5:47pm On Feb 05, 2018 |
Efewestern: Jimi Agbaje comes to mind. Na joke I dey o |
Politics / Re: Senate Is Not Meant For Young Nigerians – Senator Jang by OrisaEsu: 5:44pm On Feb 05, 2018 |
Now his senatorial district need to make sure he does not return to th Senate regardless of having a young person to take his place or not. He needs to be kicked out and needs to be made aware home rest is or old people’s home is for old people and not politics or any public office at that. |
Politics / Re: Osinbajo Attends 86th Anniversary Of Igbobi College (Photos) by OrisaEsu: 1:38pm On Feb 05, 2018 |
xxxxx ———— My alma mater and Igbodu used to have run ins back in the day. #1855DeoDuce. |
Crime / Re: Boko Haram Has Been Completely Defeated – Nigerian Army by OrisaEsu: 11:19am On Feb 05, 2018 |
xxxx ——- I do not think the defeat of Boko Haram or not should be spoken of. I mean, what if world powers pick on this and create another trouble for Nigeria within her borders? Seems like some baseless conspiracy theory but proxy wars happened during the cold war years and could be employed in this day and age to keep a state underdeveloped through the damages, starvation and budgetory allocations to quel crisis that could have gone towards stimulating development. 4 Likes |
Politics / Re: How Juju Arrested PHCN Officials In Osogbo by OrisaEsu: 11:17am On Feb 05, 2018 |
uzoronwusa: LMAO a she.eple spotted. I believe in God as understood and explained by my own ancestors not God as understood and explained by Romans or Europeans. God, to me, is a black person. I am sure to you, God is a caucasian with flowing blonde hair and sparkling blue eyes. I believe in God and believe Juju is not magic, it relies heavily on whatever physical work one has put in. Speaking of ‘Juju’, put your bible down for a minute and read this: 1 Like
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Culture / Re: Obatala And Oduduwa In Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 2:45pm On Jan 24, 2018 |
Olu317 In Ife piror to this, the Ooni’s balls were in the hands of the Ogboni. Read Leo Frobenius’ journal during his visit to Ife for insight. Read up on Oyo, Ibadan & Ijebu pre-colonial history too, to have an idea of how much Ogboni controlled the king & the state. Kings may have some type of power since 1914 till today but they are floor menbers of Ogboni. The Kings treat Oluwo, Lisa, Apena, Iya Abiye & co as royalties. Kings do not head any Ogboni. I am sharing this from the position of an ‘insider’. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Obatala And Oduduwa In Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 2:43pm On Jan 24, 2018 |
Olu317 Ooni was under Ogboni until the colonialists who didn’t understand the the system only recognised whomever appeared as the head elevated the Ooni over everyone starting with Ooni Ademiluyi Ajagun who had colonial police at his disposal to suppress dissenters. It was further amplified when Ooni Adesoji rearranged Ife traditional system by placing palace messengers (Modewa) as high Chiefs and stepping Isoro (Priest Kings of Orisas & their clans) down who were the members of Ogboni who controlled the Ooni. |
Culture / Re: Obatala And Oduduwa In Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 6:10pm On Jan 19, 2018 |
macof: Yes Ugbo group existed, their section was/is Iwinrin in the ancient 13 communities. This Iwinrin clan was in existence as at the time Obatala’s Iranje-Ideta was in existence. So I can’t speak on him being born at Ugbo except it is a figurative expression of his pact with Ugbo when they moved from Iwinrin to Igbo-Ugbo in protest against being ruled by an usurper [also still in existene]. They [Ilaje] call him Oronmakin, it may have been him or another person who became the first Olugbo when they got to their present site. Why do I say this? After Oduduwa was taken out, Osangangan became king in Ile-Ife. How could he have been an Olugbo at the same time? Except he was the Obawinrin while they were In Igbo-Ugbo because as told to me by uncle, Obatala went to meet Obamakin at Igbo-Ugbo and the latter stepped down from his throne for Obatala to become king - hence ‘Obatala Oba Ugbo’, ‘Obatala Oseremagbo’. Obatala’s side practically customized the crown — this is making me theorize it may have been the reason all of his children both male & female left Ife. If it was not for Oranmiyan who came back to wage another war, Oduduwa’s connection to ife throne may not have been prominent. |
Culture / Re: Obatala And Oduduwa In Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 5:28pm On Jan 19, 2018 |
Olu317: This is an interesting thought, baba. The first emboldened is very true, oriki idile was one of our father & mother’s way of keeping our connections to our various sources intact. - The second emboldened, baba, I can’t say for sure if Ogboni Ideta was rebellious but I do know every Ooni has to initiate into it before anything else. Every Ooni also brings calabash of food every year barefeet walking 7 times to and from his palace. This started from Oduduwa & it was one of the ways Oduduwa won the battle but lost most of the victory. It is why every Ooni is called ‘Alase ekeji orisa’, Obatala is the only deity known as Orisa in the whole pantheon - apologies that I digressed. The Ogboni then was to break Oduduwa’s wings, it had him tied down and subject to Obatala who co-ruled with him but from behind the scene. Might I add that Obatala owned the Are crown too and joininh the Ogboni was one of the conditions upon which every Ooni could be given the crown. - Baba what you alluded to as the formation of ROF is not correct o except you’ve confused ROF for Ogboni Ibile. ROF was formed in the Nigeria colonial era in the Anglican church. 1 Like 1 Share |
Culture / Re: Obatala And Oduduwa In Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 11:57pm On Jan 18, 2018 |
Syogbe: To answer your Q: Iranje us in Ile-Ife, the entirety of Iranje Ile & Iranje Oko is called Idita-Iranje. Quite a tricky question because there were different groups & Obawinrin was the head of Ugbo. Obatala was forced out of town but was invited over to stay with Obawinrin at Igbo-Ugbo [Ugbo Forest is still in Ife], it was from here attacks were launched into Ife till Moremi stepped in. Obatala reluctantly went to join Obawinrin who stepped down from his throne and crowned Obatala King [Obatala Oba Ugbo or Oserema’gbo]. He noved to Iranje oko from here and continued to rule as king till he was appeased back to his palace at Iranje Ile. Ugbo was one of the 16 groups in Ife. They are still there today and their king remains Obawinrin. Why do you ask these questions? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 11:39pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
macof: Lol the man started off as though he knew what he was doing till he began to fumble with references & talking glib about renowned authorities in History. The whole nonsense started with their revisionist king whose imaginative composition was dumped in the bin by academics as quickly as it came out 3 Likes |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 10:20pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987: 1533 to 2017 = ?
Above is the data attached with the document in my possession. See the dates & put your publication experience to use. Bini scholar 3 Likes |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 10:18pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987: Good. You lot have endlessly benefitted from Yoruba,I won’t extend it by adding to your knowledge. I have provided you with the citation to the document. Now what do you? Take that citation and find the document. You claimed to have corrected your professors, wrote publications and have a master’s. Certainly, you know how to retreive citations. Now go get it. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 10:14pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
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Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 10:11pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
Olu317: Exactly o! They even benefitted from not being overrun by Oyo who saw them as brothers and let them live. They benefitted from Awori who saw them as our brothers and gave them the swampy patch of land. They benefitted from our monarchy, art & religion - Olokun, Ifa, Ogun & so on. We are the reason they have whatever little prominence they have yet they want to talk glib. 3 Likes |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 10:03pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987: 1533 not 1553. You want the book? Go find it You can see the scribble on the top right corner showing the U of Michigan got the document in 1892. 1 Like
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Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:46pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987: I suppose in your lab and publications, references are not enough for the critic to work with? In my area, it is enough to work with. No one asks people in my field to provide proofs beyond citations in their bibliography, sorry. And I have provided you with the screenshot of the document. Go find a way to lay your hand on one. |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:43pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
Olu317: 1. The excavation you posted will seriously rattle that man & bother him for the rest of the night 2. Facts, we can tell our history without latching on to any group. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:41pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987: You keep making frivolous claims about conducting research and helping bini bourgeoisie professors YET you do not know once reference is provided it behoves the reader to dig into the reference if anything is in doubt. I provided several references but you are in doubt. It is now up to you to vet my references till you lay your hand on the 600 year old document. This is how it is done in Humanities. Now, I went out of my way to send you a screen shot of the 600 year old document which I should not have. 1 Like 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:36pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987:
Your retardation is now in full glare and at full speed. 1. Written by Duarte, 1533 2. Translated by George in 1908 3. Translated version published in 1937 4. This copy was digitized and sent to the U of Michigan. 5. This copy I have belongs to the U of Michian and was made available in 1892. Smh. |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:29pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987: The claims were sourced from the books to which I have provided references. If you have to seek for proof, seek it from the authors included in the references. You are not and have not been making any sense whatsoever. I should have let you slide when you began to brush citations, the core of research, to the side. Smh, Bini education. |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:19pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
Olu317: LOL See murder. That dude is going to ask you to provide proof of where it was dug and pictures of those who dug it. Just watch 3 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:17pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
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Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:15pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987: I was so waitin for this comment! It was made public in 1892, smh. Look at the front page, it was certified by Portuguese archives. Looking for straws to latch on to much eh? |
Culture / Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by OrisaEsu: 9:14pm On Jan 17, 2018 |
KUBA1987: The only known way of providing proof in academia as far as humaities go is to cite references from where claims were lifted - text or oral. I’ve done this — given you references. Yet you ask for proof. |
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