Aboru, Aboye, Abosise.

Thank you for your reply, pastor.

I speak spanish and will investigate this Odu further.

I also noticed that there were verses posted by Orunmila76. Would anyone be as kind as to translate them for us?

Thank you, once again.

Ire Odabo

KunleOshob,

The point I was trying to make is that MAN can write and re-write HIStory as he wishes and call it Man's truth and ONLY thruth, Your previous statement suggested that this kind of wrongdoing is happening TODAY, when MAN has done it for centuries.

Furthermore, Man has forcefully enslaved, destroyed, and conquered entire civilizations in the name of G*d. Why should I follow a God that allowed my ancestors to become annihilated? Were they such bad individuals that they deserved to suffer ( and eventually parish) the way they did

It seemed as though Man's interests were FAR more relevant than those of HIS belief system. Even worse, when his belief system surfaced, it was met and led with racism, manipulation, and inequality.

Now. I recognize that YOU many not subscribe to these ideas, but I would hope that in your own LOGIC would understand why I chose to serve MY path, and not ONE that was GIVEN to me.

You are a HUMAN being, and that alone gives me a reason to respect you, Whether we share the same "God" or not.

Peace be with you.

-Carlos Arias

Peoples' truth will become just that: THEIR TRUTH. . .

It sounds as though following a particular Dogma automatically elevates One's chances of getting into heaven, when in reality: NO HUMAN or Divine Being, for that matter, should ever come between the relationship [his] nieghbor posseses with HIS Creator.

It also seems as tho respect and warm character bares no credence, provided that a mas opts to follow/worship the Dogma(s) shared by the masses (here in this forum).

I was once a Christian and realized that the TRUTH was FAR more stretched by its practitioners than ITS Creator.

I'd much rather live an abundant, hateless, and peaceful life than spend my time persecuting others for not professing what [ they ] at very best, Do not practice.

Pastor, as I stated earlier. Thank you for shedding light on the topic at hand.

Could you be so kind as to shed light on the latter Odu I posted?

Thank you

Ire O

I do not believe that anyone denies the ONE behind all creation. . .

NO ONE, however, should tell ANYONE how HE should practice or who HE should worship . . .

Pastor, I apologize if I opened up a can of worms.

Fair enough. 

What is interesting is that I remember an interpretation I had last year, [this] ODU was casted for me.  It was Oyeku Otura/Otua   Ire  Owo,   The verses told at the time were not as clear to me as they are (literally) today. 

The even more interesting thing is that as I read this verse JUST last night, I never imagined that it came from this ODU.  I was merely seeking a translation for that particular verse and had no idea what Odu it came from.  So I googled  the opening line of the verse : "Oyeku betula" (which I imagine is another name for Oyeku Otura, I imagine?) and it lead me to this forum, 

I am a writer, musician, and singer/actor.  This has been my passion for a long time now and have been struggling to make it in the industry.  So when I read your reply, It brought me a sense of satisfaction.  I understood the MESSAGE in its entirety! 

You see, aside from my talents and occupations, I'm also an Orisanla initiate.  Since then, however, I cannot say that my life has been at its best. My Poor decisions, poor character, and (as confirmed via Odu) Epe' were many reasons why I believe my blessings did not manifest.  It was last year, however, that I met a (traditional) Babalawo who introduced me to the cocepts of Iwa pele, the importance of Ori, and what it means to be a humble servant of (ifa)Orisa; Especially as an initiate.

My life has since changed,  I feel more conected with my Orisa and my ORI, for that matter. 

Prior to these realizations, I constantly and consistently performed Ebos only to be met with frustration because I wouldn't produce results,  I became dependent upon my ORISHAS to resolve my affairs. My SHALLOW interpretation and my ignorance of this practice did not allow me to see the REALITY of things.  I didn't realize that without the consent of my Ori, I wasn't going to get very far,   I was forcing situations, being impatient, and worst of all, blaming the SYSTEM.  :/     

One day, (months after I received Ori) as I meditated along side my Ori (receptacle), I was met with an unexplainable sense of purpose, peace, and satisfaction,   I suddenly had an epiphany and arrived to the conclusion that all I ever had to do was TAKE ACTION.   But I had become so dependent upon my Orishas to compliment my blessings, that I Ignored the ONE orisha that could do just that: ORI,

So as I read this interpretation of the verse you just translated, it delivered very relevant answers to questions I STILL had lingering in my thoughts,       

My ORI led me here and gave me the answers I was looking for. lol.  What a blessing. 

Amiwo-Aja,
Awo Ile Oloyo
Adifa fun Oloyo
Eyi to fi Ori sile
To nbo Ado
Amiwo Aja
Iwo ma lawo ile-oloyo
Ori nii gbeni
Ado kii gbe ni

If i'm not mistaken, this verse also delivers the same message?   I just don't know what Odu it belongs to.

Thank you, once again.

Ire Odabo   


p.s. What can you tell me about Irosun Oturupon Ire Aiku?

Pastor AOI,

Thank you very kindly for contributing to my understanding.

I was reading some literature on the topic of Ori that contained the exact same verse posted in this discussion. However, the English translation was not clear to me,

If it's not too much trouble I'd like to ask you a few more questions if I may, Would it be appropriate to give you my email?

Thank you for your kind attention

Odabo

Aboru aboye abosise.

Pastor AIO,

Do you think you would be so kind as to translate the following verse?

oyeku betula oyeku betusa
oyeku fetu sari o sebi oun rogun ire se
igbadi lorun akerengbe
adifa fun ojaja kan nimogun
omo afi kangan mowo tarun
nje ori oloja lo doja ire.

Thank you very much.

Ire O