Ranchhoddas:
You are now judging others by your own emotional standards. That the abundance of your heart tormented you does not mean it would torment others. For all you know he has being debating long before you. A person like Richard Dawkins has been debating the issue of God for a really long time; PROBABLY before you were born and he's still doing it. No torment anywhere.

hmm a fresher.

let's me teach you little bit about humans. all humans are naturally selfish.

you give a beggar money, you are giving so you'll feel good which will in turn benefit him. selfish.

you help your mom to buy bread, you do it first because you don't want to feel bad disobeying your mom. selfish

when you argue, you do that cos first you want to feel proud teaching someone so you'll be seen as intelligent then it benefits the person. selfish

if I ask you 1000naira card you won't give me. why? cos if you don't you won't feel bad. but if your brother asks even if it's your last 1k you most likely will give him so you won't feel bad not giving him. selfish.

you see a little child begging you feel pity(pains) you are psychotically bullied to help. so you won't feel guilty. selfish


I can go on and on. every living organism is selfish no matter what you think. the scientist is also selfish, teaching people about God or no God in order to win souls and reassuring himself that he is right. debating comes from pain. pain of ideology which one will subdue the other.

we are tormented psychologically to do things. make decisions, sacrifice one pain for comfort. I wish I had the time to say much sir.

johnydon22:
Another assumption, please stop assuming you know things about someone else when you don't...

You understand nothing about me, stop massaging your ego with fantasies.

when someone counters your point, you have choices to either discuss or ignore. . making remarks and assumption about that person makes you look pathetic and it is very demeaning.

you see? still talking about points. I was right after all. winning is good. but not all the time my friend.

oh and please my emotions are almost down to 0 just in case you feel the need to call me names.

let's call it over.

Ranchhoddas:
A certain degree of emotional stability is required to face issues without personal attacks. You clearly lack it.

attacks? hmm I don't see it that way. I hope I didn't insult johnny. if I did I apologise.

I understand clearly how he thinks. he thrives on arguing. he always wants to win. well, am not into winning what will not put food in my stomach. naah it's waste of precious time.

I only took the easy way out. I used to argue like him those days trying to fill my self with "argument victories" about God or no God. but I understood that it never ends.

I don't know God but I tell you. if you don't let God be, if you argue God all the time. God will torment you. weather God is real or not. we are tormented not by reality but by the abundance of our heart.

am irreligious just in case you are getting ideas.

cheers.

johnydon22:
making personal remarks instead of discussing the points of a discussion means you no longer have another point to tender and resort to straw man fallcies and more so digresses.

Second lie - if you have been noticing me like you claim you would have noticed i'm rarely active here of recent neither do i feel the need to engage in long arguments anymore.

You still have no argument sir.



I don't know why you feel threatened by the arguments



still no point - you could have simply pleaded i don't refute your points and i'd understand.



Hhmmm a lot of fantasies and pride you live with, i have maintained my cool even with all your personal attacks on my person.

Psychology should teach you how to discuss points objectively and not attack the others personality when you no longer have an argument.

I take ad hominems and straw man as a sign of defeat but unwillingness to concede.

Looolz. you should know knowledge is relative. for instance to a mad man sane people are the mad people. it's all about perspective but there's a more tender way to convince people not by arguing.

if you say you refuted my points yes to you it's been refuted but to me? Lolz no impact. that's relativity. that's why I say you are only feeding yourself with reassurance that there's no God which isn't necessary. that's why you are calling me out to argue so you'll win. but sorry am not religious neither do I believe in religious definition of God

besides what will I gain by lying about seeing you hustling to disapprove religion and God? comon you and I know that's true.

anyways, nice to meet you

johnydon22:


then stop making personal remarks and address the points raised.

this is another personal remark and another nonsensical assumption. . . I am not convincing myself there is no God, i am totally fine if there is one. I am only refuting the basis for your invocation of the concept of God.

stop reading with emotions.



again addressing the person and not the points and making assumptions.



After all said and done, not one point just still personal remarks and nevee addressing or raising any point to support your position.

Why not remove your emotions from enquiry, discuss objectively and see the world clearer..

when someone disagrees with you, refute their points and not start referring to them and better still make assumptions about them..

that's a very pathetic method brother.

Lolz. is it now a bad thing to make personal remarks?

am only trying to help you. I see you almost every thread. hustling to prove there's no God. and I feel sorry for you.

what will be your profit for all this stress? comfort and reassurance that yes you are right haha.

there's a better way my friend. stop arguing. and stop fighting God(whoever or whatever it is) you will never win.

I understand psychology a lot. so take my advice seriously.

kingdenny:
Nice post, you try
I have lived both in Europe and Africa. During my time in Europe, I became exposed to a whole lot of things that I nearly started a journey of atheism just like you , but white christians helped me not to make that journey, I saw Christianity in another perspective not like the way we African see it, totally differently. Your fear were African like mentality. The European brought religion to Africa and same Europe is going extinct in religion, atheism has spread like fire, and same thing is happening in Africa but gradually
Every body is entitled to their opinion if there is a God or not. I strongly believe there is a God, and whether any one chooses to believe it or not does not change anything, just like people who argue whether to believe in ghost or not. I don't know your views on ghost existence.
I have encountered a whole lot of people with different religion, I have sat down and had extensive discussion, I am an open minded person with a critical mind. One thing I have learnt irrespective of your religion, lf do not live you life right you would burn in hell, if you are an atheist or a religious person and u don't live your life right, you would surely burn in hell.
But As for me and my house we have chosen to serve the Lord
Shalom

does it not defy logic. it is said that God loves us unconditionally but still creates hell fire just incase. now that's a condition. no one loves God even you. though you think you love him but you were psychologically bullied with fear(burning in hell)into "loving" him... that's absurd. I understand that all humans must attach meaning to life because it's the real deal. but I tell you. nothing is real in life. all is knowledge and perspective.

pride is the bane of every knowledgeable living beings.

all is vanity if you look at the brighter picture

johnydon22:


this is in no way a good argument.

I never intended to argue.

am just disappointed in you cos I expected you'd be wiser. I never knew your just a regular man trying hard to argue your way to convince yourself there's no God. lol.

I guess that gives you variable comfort which of cos you'll have to fill up all when emptiness(doubt and fear) crops in.

stop fighting God. you will never win. nobody has ever win. for how long will you service your fear(generations have gone through this)..... whether you like it or not there's a question the world can't answer and that's the question of God.

time for you to move on. Just an advice.

kilo4sure:

Saying God is responsible for something, does not necessarily mean that he did it by magic, hence l wonder why you feel scientific discoveries eliminate God from the picture. Science could be a way of understanding God afterall via his works.

thank you for answering him.

every religion has explained God in their own ways even science. there's always similarities among these explanations. but not a single conclusion.

as long as no one can prove it(probably never will) it will stay unknown. That unknown knowledge is what I call God(knowledge unknown)... how is that hard for that man to understand that simple definition of God lol

johnydon22:
No sir there musn't be because if that is a "Must" then a conscious intelligent God must also require another designer.



Employ this to the world, instead of assume God or any other superstition over universal causality simply say You don't know.

why employ such special pleadings only for God, we all know honestly you don't know how anything start but just had to assume God but refused to stretch your assumptions of questions regarding God.

isn't that dishonesty?



You should just live your life for now, waiting for death is a miserable way to live



we know much more than our ancestors did, coming generations will know far more than we do now



This is a lie, using God as a place holder for ignorance is a pathetic argument. . That we cannot comprehend life means we cannot comprehend life.

Ignorance is evidence of ignorance not god, if that is how you want to play this card then you'd make 'God' totally useless the more we find out and get to know things.

Invoking God cus of ignorance has always turned out as a little whif of discovery murders God at different level chasing it further above to the next level of scientific ignorance.

You may find places to invoke God(s) but if you can only do that on places shielded by scientitic ignorance then God will always remain and ever receding pocket of ignorance.



Then God is no more than human ignorance personified and not an entity - this fits the very notion of imaginary.

I have seen your posts many times. it's like you think you can explain everything. all the time.

I have nothing much to say. I know perfectly why you are behaving so. makes me laugh because I cab explain your condition perfectly but I have no such time.

think not yourself wiser, for no man can be wiser than God(i don't know what's it is).

like I said, the fact that we don't know makes it a God(whatever name you want to call it) I call it knowledge unknown.

about the death part am not surprised, humans and pride. very explainable also. I used to think you were smarter. lol

johnydon22:


@bold Called Christian religion...

Religion does not start and end with Abrahamism. . there are far older, better and more profound religions out there.

Religion is not entirely a bad thing like every other human institute - it merely has been abused and misused.

true. meant to control people. because naturally men are barbaric. religion breeds an orderly environment so little ones can learn. but it has been abused and turned to jokes.

OP I don't believe in religion but I believe in a God. different cultures and religions have defined God as best as they could.

there must be a designer, life can't just come out of nothing. that's no realistic sense to me.

now if you are going to ask who made God I'll tell you I don't know. I don't care. why do I need to bother on something beyond my knowledge.

I'll just live my life a good way and wait for death. am ready any day any time, because that's part of life.

maybe when we die we understand better. generations have come, generations will come. same question will bother them.

the fact that we don't have the capability to comprehend life makes God a fact. A knowledge greater than our knowledge. that is God.

so just live your life, but as long as you can't comprehend, acknowledge that as God(knowledge unknown).

freshcvvs:


Funny to read her say " they serve the same God", yet the Jews killed Jesus the cornerstone of christianity and up till today do not believe in him.

her own brainwash is sooo strong.

Pidggin:


But we serve the same God why shouldn't I?

the Bible says anyone who does not believe in Christ will rot in hell fire.

therefore, according to the holy scripture Jews will rot in hell fire. Jews are evil, Jews are of Satan.


LMAO

Pidggin:


But the West has been victims of series of attacks, yet none targeted at Isreal despite extreme hate from the Arabs.

Isreal has supernatural cover, no one can dare attack without baring severe consequences.

same supernatural power isn't stopping the Palestinian Intifada(knife attack) against Israel. pls stop with all these supernatural bullshits. Israel are technologically superior and with the aid of the west. nothing supernatural there.

if you want to see supernatural go watch Merlin or Avatar season movie

you have been conquered(brainwashed) by the Jewish myths.

richybanky:
Lols, abeg which one ur boo Bukola or Catherine Long time bro

cath.
heard you guys are still operating the whatsapp group wow

Nigerdeltaboi:
awww sorry o , shey make I pass the gun give you.

yop. the shakabulla. Lolz well done boss.

richybanky:

Guy I dey fear u oooo, so u don see Catherine and Bukola

can you imagine he saw my boo behind me. that's wicked

Electronzeez:
In this particular order , I have met the following Nairalanders physically and spiritually .

Nigerdeltaboi you go count my list tire .

Chidexsmokey
Owliver and Mayorsweet
Doublezero7
Pretty03
Pinkiepetitee
Judeeth and Walexsammy
Ahmed4002


I be think say my list long o

you don try sef

holluphemydavid:

Like 8months program, but u can just say a year, due to some unforseen circumstances

OK thanks.

the black man must be the woman.

holluphemydavid:
Either Tru or false I had my pgd already, d discrimination is just tu much, I cud remember when I got job I was offer level 7 cos I had HND while my counter part who had BSc and got same job at same time was offer level 8, nobody advice me when I put in for pgd sharply, my advice for anyone with my own experience is to put in for pgd to balance it all

how many months program?

Tellemall:


If you want responses, don't start off like a mad dog in here.

When your owners have leashed you and given you a good time in the doghouse, I'm sure your lower reasoning will upgrade to that of a regular canine.
Maybe then you will be given further notice.

I thought you'd argue more. you just proved smarter by not arguing.

kudos

Tellemall:


On the contrary, you are the confused one and should ignore, as it is the best option for you.

Freewill does not require a conscience. It means you can steal and kill if you please, and you don't have to feel bad about it. A conscience means that you are free to do so, too, but you know of the consequences and are worried about carrying out such evil acts because of their nature. A conscience is what maintains law nowadays. But we tend to think of criminals evil because they do not listen to their conscience and in some instances do not have one.

Next time, before you display your lower reasoning, try and stop to think.

so God was stupid for instructing them then? why did he tell them the consequences if they eat the fruit? you are saying He was stupid for giving instructions to humans with no conscience?

do you even know what is conscience? conscience comes from the word consciousness. meaning life.

now look at the pics. God instructed them not to eat(wrong) vs right. shows they had conscience.
the instruction was for then to watch their behavior in the garden.

everything that has life has consciousness(conscience).

you idiot

reply and argue to confirm your idiocy. am waiting.

Tellemall:
Man has always had the choice of freewill, and that is why the first humans were given instructions in the first place, to instill a sense of order. This same free will allowed Eve to choose to pluck a fruit and Adam in his own freewill chose to eat it.

The only role the tree had to play is that once eaten it brought about conscience. Why? Because the moment one was to eat it, they would disobey God. Nobody needed to tell Adam and Eve that they had disobeyed. The moment they ate it, their conscience was awoken. Perhaps not directly by the fruit itself, but in consequence of eating it. They hid themselves without being told to. The first feeling of guilt ever recorded. The consequence of sin.

The fruit did not give freewill, it merely opened man up
to wrongdoinging and thus a conscience was awoken.

Prior to eating it, a conscience was not needed, because it was just obedience to every instruction from God. But once eaten with freewill it burdened Adam and Eve. Most people tend to blame Eve, however Adam had the same measure of freewill every other creation. Conscience is the direct result of eating the fruit. Freewill is ingrained in creation.

are you kidding? freewill without conscience? I have never heard of that.

if Adam and eve had freewill before eating the fruit(which of cos every experienced living organism has) then it means they had conscience.

it's that conscience that made God give them instructions. only robots have no conscience.

so you are just confuse Lolz.

when you don't know something don't pretend to know. ignoring would have been a better option.

[quote author=sentee post=47882353][/quote] Jesus loves you. repent for the kingdom will come like a thief in the night.

sentee:
.

did you get my message?

when I was in school I had a laptop so I had just a touch light phone to support since I didn't like using phones on the road. the story is long sha but I lost it. someone walked into my room, it was a flat and my friend mistakenly left the door open and left for campus, the thief gently carried my laptop and my friend's laptop with both chargers. left the phone I kept at home on the table.

suspects were too much, even a close female friend was arrested and she almost cried when police were asking questions.

I didn't know who to trust.

it's a very long story and I don't want to say what I did searching for that laptop.

took months for me to agree my laptop was gone. months.

very predictable religion with their unrepentant bullsh\t.
piss

I have one as a friend. he takes weed and goes to strippers club. but when Sunday reaches he carries his brief case Lolz.

thehomer:


It means consciousness is not physical like the eye is but is a process like sight and consciousness is not magic.

consciousness is an abstract state(noun) like saying someone is mad. he's termed mad because his brain(physical) functions differently from accepted "normalcy" now would you say madness is spiritual? Choi una no go kill person.

UyiIredia:


Okay. Since you insist consciousness is physical what are its physical properties.

so anything that's not physically automatically becomes spiritual? ever heard of the word abstract? are you kidding me. so madness is spiritual? sleeping is spiritual? thinking is spiritual? Choi you be Olodo

TrajansKong:


This^^ is why the world laughs at us. Someone with access to the greatest store of knowledge in human history just wrote this.

and how do you define history?