@Henry120
@OtherNigerians

You guys can update the Nigerian army wiki page if you want.

According to Jane's Armour and Artillery 2003–2004 Nigeria received 136 MBT Mk 3, 12 ARV and 26 AVLB delivered in 1983–1995

Edit: I updated the page for you, if anyone has an account with wikipedia, pls go in and put in images of the vehicles (from google)

Nigeria should consider and upgrade for its remaining Vickers Tanks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP-Iev3217o

Henry240:

The confidence with which some of you type rubbish on Nigeria is incredible.

Who told you that was where Nigeria started?

We have been making Steryr APCs in Nigeria since the 80s.

Are you seriously saying licensed production is the same thing as indigenous design and manufacture?

Brah

Henry240:

Sorry i struck your nerve. You made a blanket comment about people wondering, despite the fact most people are hearing about SA and Gabon for the first time.

it is only timely i corrected that impression.

In one comment you told us France.

In another comment you're mentioning South-Africa, then you carried along Nigeria to legitimize your comment.

What next? Egypt, Algeria or Morocco?

The eternally butt-blasted henry120

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nemesis8u:
The pics have wrong info's and moreover the infos r ambiguous.

Eg
obogs not present ,
also AFAIK till date no operational Chinese fighters have obogs installed. Gripen d has obogs , c does not not have (not sure though)

Also ambiguity of info is a factor eg reference to maritime strike and then its comparison.

All fighters can conduct mission over the sea perse and hence can claim to be maritime strike capable

but capabilities like disorientation Recovery Function (DRF) to fight pilot disorientation in the high seas ( a common cause for crash at sea ) , auto low-speed recovery (ALSR) incase of impending stall during wave top flight pre / post attack missions , ruggedized airframes/systems etc resistant to sea corrosion etc etc is what makes a fighter truly a maritime strike aircraft in the real sense.

Such capabilities r not default but present in select few aircrafts.

Hence pitfalls r many in such comparisons , when one starts dissecting the same

[reading this post]
“Fvcking plane nerds”

10/10 post - learnt lots

Henry240:

Can you show evidence that the JF-17 cannot be refuelled and rearmed in 10 minutes?

Can you show us it can?

Henry240:
For educational purposes, here's a side by side comparison between the JF-17 Block II and the Gripen.

The information is gotten from open-sources.

It makes you wonder why anyone can comfortably claim the Gripen C/D is superior to the JF-17 Block II.

Lol

This was debunked by JLN (the devil is in the details) - having inflated and misleading stats.

Example: Henry’s infographic lists the jf-17s payload as 5 tonnes when it is actually 3tonnes
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/fc1xiaolongjf17thund/

It’s just another case of Henry120s obsession forcing him to dishonesty.

GeneralFarouq:
post the link, pls

GabrielYulaw:


Reports not seen. Send links please.

https://peccaviconsulting./2018/09/17/battle-of-the-fobs-boko-haram-iswaps-2018-rainy-season-offensive-1/

https://peccaviconsulting./2018/09/27/battle-of-the-fobs-boko-haram-iswaps-2018-rainy-season-offensive-2/

https://peccaviconsulting./2018/11/30/game-changers-in-the-north-eastern-nigerian-security-situation/

Henry240:


If you're talking about the Gripen E/F, it's a better aircraft than the JF-17 Block II.

The Gripen C/D and the JF-17 thunder are the same type of aircraft, similar weight class and similar capabilities. The JF-17 has a better combat range than the C/D.

The C/D only has a slightly better payload than the JF-17 Block II.

The Gripen uses an American engine, so the Americans would veto any sale.

The Gripen C/D is not better than the JF-17 Block II.

You need to conduct better research.

I wonder why he said this
(Who operates the Gripen C/D?)

It’s a proven platform, it is cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate.

Ps: the engines are Swedish (volvo)

GabrielYulaw:


Why put a logisitics base so near the front? And why not properly defend it?

Location is a question for senior officers. Why it wasn’t poorly defended is a question for junior officers.

It seems Nigeria is following the only really effective COIN strategy there is - take, hold, clear. except Boko decided to try to interrupt the “hold” stage

Read the reports @frumentus posted - they are very detailed

Henry240:

Grow up.

learn to control your emotions.

Henry240:

Offence intended.

In your bid to seem smart, you sound rather foolish!

Has there not been an in-depth assessment of Nigerian army losses in the NE over the past weeks with everyone in the military threads chipping in to give their own opinions of the causes, effects and possible solutions to the deteriorating security situation in the NE? Nigerian, Indian, Kenyan, South-African, Algerian, Russian, Cameroonian.......everybody has had a say.

So what now is the problem with guys talking about the SU-34 as a possible option for the Nigerian Air Force? Are we not at liberty to talk about improved assets for the Nigerian military?

Could you not see that all the respondents realize that perhaps the SU-34 might not be the most suitable option for the Nigerian Air Force, however that it still is a strategic asset?

60% of Afghanistan is still largely controlled by the Taliban, does that mean that the US has stopped the procurement of strategic assets? Is the US not the primary security guarantee of the Afghan government?

If you feel it's getting "harder and harder to take this place seriously", you might as well leave. You don't really have much of a value to the thread anyway.

Hahahahahaha

Salty henry120, you love provoking us South Africans and ironically get provoked when I wasn’t even trying!

Serious discussion broke you and caused to to write the angry (ridiculous) tirade above!
I can just see the tears streaming down your face as you typed that - the anger, the resentment, the indignity!

You’re a child.

Covert1:


The US Army with all its training and equipment have been known to abandon whole strategies for new ones when it's not working same with the British Army. It is not like you are fighting stones they too adapt. The problem right now is the Army leadership continues to stick to the old strategy of far flung FOBs that in all is basically acting as Quartermaster for the enemy in a bid to hold ground and save the C-in-C embarrassment in an election year. It's either that or they want the continued losses to give the President enough pretext to declare a state of emergency and postpone the elections if he feels sufficiently threatened to lose. The fatigue, loss of morale and non-suitable equipment in response to an evolving new type of onslaught is what can befall any army and the response to that is to fall back, re-strategize and mobilize adequately to meet it.

Fob are where they are because they are planned on being used as - suprise suprise- logistics bases for the start of the next offensive.

Units will use them as starting positions for the next offensive.

Read about how the FOBs fell - they could have held if they had been properly defended.

Covert1:


Doctrine is not a one-size-fits-all in counterinsurgency. You evolve doctrines based on identified gaps in lieu of combat engagements as we see with the NAF bridging the gap between force projection and force protection. Metele was not as a result of a flaw in officer training but ISWAP's transition into a sophisticated enemy not anticipated by dug in forces a situation that any Army would need time to adapt to regardless of how welll trained. Stop fixing square pegs in round holes. There's almost nothing new in that report. The NA will rise to it.

The shortfall right now is funding and equipments to meet the more sophisticated threats we face. Nigeria's junior officers at the front only need strategic leadership from the military high command that is yet to tactically adapt to the realities on the ground. The FOBs have not worked is not an indictment of the young officer you deploy to deter the enemy but an indictment of the overall strategy that calls for change.

Read the reports.

Henry240:
Nigerian Air Force

Have the new ones arrived yet?

I beleive you ordered the gun-ship variant

You have battalions in the NE that have been deployed there for years on end

Guys running around without essential equipment

Mix-matched gear and vehicles that results in ammo and spares shortages

An army that is generally over-stretched with not enough spare battalions to allow for more training and rest

And serious shortfalls in doctrine and officer training - the real cause of the recent FOB losses

You have access to an in-depth assessment made by a highly experienced Nigerian born professional
Yet you are talking as though an Su-34 is the solution?

It’s getting harder and harder to take this place seriously

Covert1:


The Su-34 is an excellent platform for counter-air and counter-surface combat roles. Actually Nigeria shouldn't be shy to pick up a few examples especially that Russia is willing to put up the funding but the NAF as a professional organization factors in operational costs in its acquisitions which is why as all evidence points to it is settling for a mix of the JF-17 Thunder & Super-Tucano 4th generation combat aircrafts which delivers the same results for a fraction of the cost of running and maintaining the Sukhois. As much as we hate to love the Tucanos the specifications we are getting are actually highly deadly machines in the sky. The problem with our acquisitions are the numbers are too few for the threats we face, it is still a glass half full. The major problem right now is the Nigerian Army.

The research done (anon posted here) suggests otherwise. You should read it.

It’s not a question of spending on big ticket items or more air-power.

Henry240:
I don't know where we would start from to begin to salvage the Nigerian army. If the army performed it's role well, the Air Force wouldn't suffer some of these losses.

Suggestions were made in the article, all of them pretty simple fixes
- standardize gear to improve supply issues
- start rotating units out of theater ( some battalions have been active for over 4 years) to improve moral and allow for retraining
- start focusing on rolling out the basics that many soldiers lack (load bearing equipment, sleeping bags, field kitchens etc) again to improve moral
- huge emphasis on basic skills and principles
-i.e.: Nigeria has a huge number of artillery tubes in its inventory, every unit in the NE should be operating under an artillery umbrella.

There were also lots of tactical suggestions in the article, but I think those are the most important.

Guys please could you cut it

Long winded military discussions are one throng but long winded discussions about politics or governance are another

ignant:


Ok. I read of NAF coming under attack in Luanda during "Savannah". That account stated that in some instances NAF shot through. This is where I could consider Henry's claim that maybe Nigerian MIGs were involved, aside the C-130s. There was no claim of lost NAF platform on either side.

I looked up the Bush War on wikipedia, so I hereby reproduce them:
Annotations
1. ^ Nigeria established bilateral relations with PLAN in 1976, and thereafter plied that movement with millions of dollars in direct financial contributions and logistical support. [16] During the 1980s, PLAN arms were airlifted directly to the insurgents by the Nigerian Air Force. [16]

References
16. ^ a b Abegunrin, Olayiwola (1997). Nigerian Foreign Policy Under Military Rule, 1966-1999 . Westport, Connecticut: Praeger Publishers. pp. 81, 93. ISBN 978-0275978815 .

Like I said, I am perpared to concede Nigeria provided logistical support and gave supplies.

But direct combat, no way.

ignant:


Do you have some sort of inner conflict? I mean no disrespect but are you even aware that the three statements you made reached different conclusions?

So, what exactly are you trying to say- that the interdictions never happened? Or that YOU never read anything about it? Or it might have happened but it was minor?

Interdictions didn’t happen because there are no mentions of SADF troops suffering air attacks. Direct combat is something that wall definitely be mentioned in the accounts. To be honest I don’t remember reading anything about any air attacks on either side during savannah

As for flying in supplies, I can say that maybe it happened because Nigeria flying in a C-130 full of guns is something that could have happened but be so minor that it gets omitted or doesn’t get mentioned.

ignant:


If you claim not to know about the ubiquitous supply flights and support, then how can you, in all honesty, know about the interdiction?

The Nigerian Air Force often ran into regular South African columns who disguised as mercenaries, when they attempted to deliver cargo. There were interdictions during "Operation Savannah" till the SADF were routed.

I know the interdictions did not happen as there is no mention of the SADF suffering air attacks during savannah

Equally I have never read anything about Nigeria playing any operational role in Angola - and I have read a lot about the war

I am not saying that it never happened, but rather that any support was minor - minor enough not to get mentioned in the majority of historical accounts of the war

Covert1:


Setbacks are part of military operations. A war is made up of many battles. Who wins the war carries the day. Now that's our forte, to win wars which we do quite well and it's not about to change anytime soon. BHTs incredible capacity to rebound is not a dent in the capability of the Nigerian Army to vanquish them.

Nigeria's direct and covert support for the MPLA led to them not only capturing SA POWs but to defeat them. That's the historical reality which is glaring enough.

BOKO has almost no capacity, and if you read the info posted here you would know their attacks would be defeated if you simply equipped your FObs with mortars and HmGs.

Your attitude is why you haven’t won this war and why good Nigerian soldiers are being slaughtered on the front.

As for Angola, your contribution was negligible in comparison to the Soviet/Cuban support. It’s like a player who spent the game on the bench claiming responsibility for a won match.

Wouldn’t it be so much nicer if we could sit around and talk about military equipment and solutions to our countries problems... instead of flinging poo?

I prefer playing armchair general to internet warrior

Covert1:


Get off my handle!

Operation last hold is on full steam.

For every one Nigerian soldier you kill a hundred shows up. You mess up big time to kill a Nigerian soldier we will come back at you each time until the terms are agreed in our favour, period. That's the history and won't change. Wait to see the dry season offensive.

Pretoria always and still avoids Abuja as it's one and only strategic threat. It has nothing on Abuja. Zero

First grow up and sit to learn.

Op Last Hold - lol, you haven’t read the analysis posted in this thread. Dry season offensive isn’t going to happen.

Pretoria does not think about Abuja at all.

- Whilst much new equipment has been purchased, not all is fit for purpose and create additional problems with a huge variety of weapon systems, vehicles and other platforms, presenting a nightmare for maintenance and logistics crews,
- There is a dearth of basic individual and unit equipment such as webbing and other load bearing equipment, boots, weapon straps, first aid kits, helmets, waterproofs, field kitchens, water purifiers etc.
- Manpower however presents the largest structural problem. Units have remained in theatre for up to 3-4 years without rest, with casualties being barely replaced by attachments from other units or new recruits
- The Nigerian security forces are overstretched, overwhelmed and over deployed. They do not have a quantitative or qualitative edge over their adversaries, being unable to counter their key enemy strengths of mobility, versatility and flexibility.
- The Nigerian forces are almost purely reactive. They are unable to prevent the enemy from acting at will, prevent them from successfully conducting operations. The enemies Observation- Orientation- Decision-Action loop is much tighter and more efficient than the friendly forces

And there is more @Covert1

Covert1:


And yet holding ground. Leave the Nigerians to their upheaval, they can bash themselves as always but you know what always get the job done in the end which is the common goal. BHT holds no territory and is doing what only it can do against lightly defended FOBs it can't hold for any few hours. It's called harassing the enemy and friendly forces in turn reinforce to give them a beating which inflicts maximum casualties.

If BHT enter your country by now you'd be in Abuja begging for those same Nigerian soldiers. You think ISWAP are poachers or the MPLA. Wait till you see them then you know the difference in fighting for survival and fighting to die with a grin on your face.

Historical evidence abounds that Nigeria's military diplomacy denied Apartheid South Africa the sphere of influence it wanted in Angola. In all its foreign forays Apartheid lead Pretoria avoided direct confrontation with Lagos like a plaque. Every student of history knows that. Don't know what your pain is about a historical reality like you are invisible which you're not.

1. BOKO would not pose a threat to the SANDF in the stratgic sense - the reasons your military is failing have been outlined in extreme detail. Bad training, bad equipment, bad logistics

1a. The purpose of boko attcks is to prevent the NA launching the dry season offensive - by the looks of things they have succeeded

2. Pretoria during the Angolan war gave zero shits about Nigeria. You were a non entity.

Behave

Henry240:

Until that photo, i didn't know the Nigerian army operated in Angola.

I was only aware of the Air Force.

I can't remember the source, but i think Nigerian MIG-17s were deployed in Angola.



"The Nigerian Air Force have a long and proud history of operational deployment outside Nigeria dating back to the 1970s when Nigerian MiG 17 pilots and engineers were deployed to Angola by the regime of General Murtala Muhammed following the detailing/eventual transfer of a squadron of MiG 17s and the gift of US$20 million to the fledgling MPLA government of Dr Agostinho Neto, in January 1976. This followed swiftly on the heels of the delivery of MiG 21MF jets to the NAF in December 1975.

Thereafter, NAF C130 Hercules pilots during the 1970s and 1980s flew supply missions in support of liberation movements in Southern Africa, delivering materiel to Tanzania, Zambia and Mozambique for onward distribution to African nationalist guerrillas in Namibia, South Africa and Rhodesia.".


https://www.google.com/amp/s/beegeagle./2012/09/10/blog-exclusive-nigerian-air-force-aircraft-observed-in-frenzied-activity-deployment-for-combat-operations-in-mali-imminent/amp

Your source is literally a blog.

The absolute state of herny120 right now. Trying to invent glory in the history books to cover the shame of today.

You’re better than this Henry

Henry240:

Quit being a coward.

African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread

Apartheid report over pictorial evidence of captured South-African soldiers in Lagos, Nigeria.

You're pretty much very dull!

They were also shown in Ethiopia

Do we now say Ethiopia had soldiers in Angola? Do we say Ethiopia captured South African soldiers?

Nigeria made no meaningful ground contribution to the war and South African soldiers never faced Nigerian soldiers in battle (which is a good thing, for you)

Sad little liar.

ignant:
The Nigerian Air Force ran direct operations in the Bush War. They flew weapons to the rebels in the Bush War and provided interdictions.

The Nigerian government also provided large funding and other logistics.

I must not fail to mention the great role played by Cuba. They contributed to the resistance of Southern African countries against the criminality of apartheid South Africa.

I don’t know about the supply flights and support, but they certainly didn’t provide interdictions

Poor henry240

Nigeria gets whooped at home, so he has to steal Angolan achievements to make himself feel better

Imagine being this sad