Algerian1:
Mig 29 algeria



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nazkPLhxs-g

I have always preferred the MIG over the SU's.

For purely aesthetic reasons.

61mech:
Dailymail offices are chuck-full of morons.

5.56mm is probably the most battle tested round in history. Killing is 30% ammo and 70% shot placement. That big 7.62mm round does nothing if it flies by my head. I suspect most people in the "5.56 is too small" club had never ran a 2.4 with a loaded battle jacket.
Biggest problem is the stupid adherence to the Hague convention regarding ammo types. I can shoot you with a 20mm HE round, but God forbid I use a expanding .22 bullet !
Ammo has been improved so much over the years that its actually legal to hunt deer with 5.56 in some US states.

I get so bored of the 7.62 v 556 argument. The future is Grendel.

kikuyu1:


No.There is a genuine lack of killing power with the 5.56 mm. Even the SAS who like all specops kill at much shorter range than ordinary infantry have complained.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294631/SAS-use-bigger-bullets-kill-enemy-outright-claiming-shoot-wound-policy-lives-risk.html



Funny enough here are our RSF and specops use the SCAR H while the infantry used the M4 and now also the AK-DAH FUQ?!

7.62 was abandoned for a reason and 5.45 and 5.56 adopted for a reason.

"MUH STOPPING POWA" is a meme. 5.45 and 5.56 has a yawing effect, which results in bigger wound cavities than 7.62 it equally has a biger chance of fragmentation than 7.62. Equally is the "muh energy muh penetration" is a meme the US military has M995 AP rounds that shatter ceramic armor and pen steel/aluminum armor, a new tungsten variant of M995 has been issued a few years back as well. Range is irrelevant as both rounds have a simular trajectory over 700m, US SOCOM actually gave up 7.62 SCAR rifles almost as soon as they were adopted.

Anyway, the argument is semantic. 6.8 grendel has been selected for the US militarys future weapons as it has the benefits of 5.45/5.56 and the range of 7.62

kikuyu1:


All very interesting! I was shocked when the KDF abandoned the G3s and FNs for the M4 some years back just when the US was srsly debating continuing with the 5.56mm. Fyi,many have complained about its lack of power.


https://www.military.com/kitup/2017/05/modern-enemy-body-armor.html

Also the 7.62 NATO is a very heavy hitter capable of laying out the enemy flat up to 600 m with one good hit. The 5.56 mm won't manage half that power and penetration at 300 m. IIRC,it was considered too small for gazelles when hunting was still legal in Kenya.

Dont take what Generals say to congress seriously, they go there to ask for money. To get money they say their equipment is bad.

Whyem15:

You mean this?
Those who deployed 30000 soldiers among them their Golani brigade to fight a few hundred second tier Hezbollah fighters and still lost. They lost 121 (their own figures which is most likely exaggerated) well trained and equipped soldiers against Hezbollah's less than 500 poorly equipped militias after firing millions of artillery rounds and their Air Force destroying most of southern Lebanon. 4.6 million cluster munitions alone were used by the Israeli side and they still lost.

(He doesnt know that Hezbollah is one of the best armed groups in the region, likely the arab world)

There is a reason Assad asked Hezbollah for help.

jln115:
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lol

Algerian1:
algeria dont recognize israel .

Israels disguise is that good?

nemesis8u:

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Could you stop sh1tting up this forum and go back to posting alone on your indian fanboy thread?

nemesis8u:
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Your fanboyism got completely debunked and all you have left are childish insults. Very sad!

nemesis8u:


Ok ur right

As for Ind..... english newspapers / MSM let's say for 5$ a word you can have them run a convincing front page article headlined " the sun rises in the west "

And if you are a arms dealer or foreign client with top dollars it's hellelujah time .

Now if u disagree feel free to argue with urself over it , I learnt my lesson , seriously I almost developed a headache.

No offence please don't quote me for next 1 month and I only on my part will avoid u like plague for the same period. Nothing personal I hope you understand sir,
See I even respect u after the headache u gave me

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person", short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument.

To say they are wrong, you must provide evidence.

nemesis8u:


I simply asked u to prove ur crappy payload and crappy flight time comment , and u replied by post all MSM nonsense links etc and yet u failed to give the answer.

[s]And LCA MK1 is a light weight category fighter and you genius is comparing it with medium weight category fighter like F16 E/F and Gripen E. Rings any bells now.

Let me explain further incase u still can't process it , compared to Su35 Gripen E has crappy payload and crappy range. Got the incredulity of ur stupid comparison now ? Different category different capabilities.

Anyway forget it I am done with u , no point discussing with online experts. I will avoid u from now.

Seriously u now will teach me aeronautics sir ?

U know Tdayof ?
Next time he comes online don't forget to ask him about my aeronautics or avionics etc

And now accuse me of fanboyism ?
That's a serious U turn lol

Plz allow me to jog ur memory , see the comment below which u posted a month or two ago in reply to mine lol

Unlike many I prefer to make comments based on technicalities rather than bullshiiit without an iota of subject knowledge.[/s]

1. I provided links for everything
combat radius
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-indias-tejas-receives-initial-operational-clearance-394420/

Speed, service ceiling
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/techfocus/2011/feb%202011%20.pdf

Payload
http://tejas.gov.in/specifications/leading_particulars_and_performance.html

If you want to say the biggest Newspapers in india are wrong, you must provide evidence.

2. We are comparing the Tejas to the rest because it costs about as much as a Gripen. Thats how the Tejas came up, please follow the discussion on this forum before derailing it with your antics.

3. Yes, Tejas is a light fighter. I said so about a dozen times. Thats why I compared it to the KA and YAK

So you disagree with me about the Tejas not being as good as the Gripen, F-16 or JF-17 but then say "yes, its a light fighter its not as goood" What exactly is your malfunction? What exactly are you disagreeing about?

nemesis8u:


Screenshots of the 2nd link

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/techfocus/2011/feb%202011%20.pdf

Where is the the mention of the so called deficiencies ?

Trying to play court jester or inability to comprehend simple english ?

Can't believe one can be so stupid posting 2 links , ( both of which is praising the system and then claiming them as ones showing the deficiencies of the system. Level of stupidity just nose dived beyond recovery.

I have no problem with what u choose to believe.

I thought u a serious guy but u proved otherwise
No worries believe what u want , I won't waste time further.

Fuc*** wasted my time ,

@others

Will delete both the posts later

I have to spoon feed you everything? Are you so blinded by fanboyism you cant see what i just showed you?

You could just read the first link and see that it confirms limited payload

You could just read the second link and see that it confirms a limited service ceiling and that its slower than mach 2 Gripen and F-16 are almost 800 km/h faster. [Thats really bad for interceptions, isnt it?]

Or you could spend 30 seconds on google and see that India Today broke the story of the IAFs criticism of the Tejas
https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-today/story/tejas-indian-air-force-f-16-mig-21-fighter-planes-ajit-doval-1083350-2017-11-10

Or that its limited combat radius is common knowledge
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-indias-tejas-receives-initial-operational-clearance-394420/

Or that the Times of India confirmed its maintenance intensive
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/tejas-a-poor-performer/articleshow/62796155.cms

You have yet to provide any evidence to prove that a single thing I said is incorrect. Instead you threw a giant tantrum, like a child. Tejas is trash compared to the Gripen, F-16 and JF-17. Deal with it, grow up, control your emotions.

nemesis8u:


Lolzzz

I reverse googled for your post and I found this as your source for the above quoted post word by word.

https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/indian-air-force-tejas-light-combat-aircraft-cant-protect-indian-skies/

Seriously thediplomat a clickbait website is your IAF source

The article is written by Franz-Stefan Gady and he mentions a " IAF news report " as a source, for which he himself did not provide the original IAF source nor did he quote passages from one ! Lol

Would have been very easy if there was a IAF issued news report in the first place isn't it ?

Matter of fact there is no such IAF issued news report till date on LCA , so the above article is bullshiiit and false.

And if you still want to prove me wrong , ask Franz-Stefan Gady or u urself provide the so called IAF issued report from IAF / MoD sources and not online websites etc without any links to official IAF / MoD sources.

Actually it is very stupid of any person especially one working in defence or security domain to believe that any air force will release information on a operational combat aircraft in its inventory listing out it's so called deficiencies.

1. Ad hominem argument
2. The deficiencies were listed in an attempt to get foreign jets instead of the Tejas.
3. All the specified deficiencies are in the public domain already
http://tejas.gov.in/specifications/leading_particulars_and_performance.html
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/techfocus/2011/feb%202011%20.pdf

Tejas is simply not in the same ball-park as the JF-17, Gripen and F-16. Thats not a controversial statement.

nemesis8u:
" Shitty flight time shitty payload "

It is a expected line of comment of any body who has no info on the same.

A person in the know will post the data regarding the same. If one knows how hard is it to post the data and close the matter for ever.

And data must be from official sources.
Somebody want to try again with data from a official source ?

How about the Indian airforce?

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has issued a new report listing several deficiencies found with India’s first domestically designed and produced light fighter aircraft, the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), in yet another push to convince the government to procure foreign-made single engine fighter jets.

According to IAF assessments, the Tejas LCA, when compared to Saab’s JAS-39 Gripen and Lockheed Martin’s F-16, boasts reduced airborne endurance — 59 minutes versus three hours for the Gripen and nearly four hours for the F-16. The Tejas can also only carry a weapons payload of around three tons against nearly six tons by the Gripen and seven tons by the F-16.

Furthermore, maintenance requirements for the Tejas LCA are also higher than with foreign combat aircraft. The Tejas LCA requires 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying against six hours for the Gripen and 3.5 hours for the F-16. In addition, the service life of the Tejas LCA is also half that of the 40 years found in both the Gripen and F-16.

kikuyu1:


Really? Idk all details but from what nemesis8u has shown its anything but a POS! By the KA 50 are you referring to the S Kor T 50?

Shitty flight time, shitty payload...

kikuyu1:


Fangirls have no idea the importance or meaning of a low turn around time-but that price! The C begins at 70 mn$ and the E tops out at 80 mn-ouch!! The J 17 B 2 is 35 mn $ and B 3 45 mn$ with both Tejas in same range.
http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/-fighter-aircraft.html

The contract for the supply of JF-17's to NAF works out at about the same unit price as the SAAF contract. You cant compare the unit costs unless you review the entire supply contract and quantify all the extra's you have to buy to operate them.

Tejas is a P.O.S that is more comparable to the new breed of light fighters like the KA-50 or YAK-130, but no where near as sophisticated as the KA-50 and no where near as capable as the YAK-130

frumentius:


Tell that to the Ugandan Special Forces Team of 8 obliterated by LRA primitives through EW.
The boundary between conventional and unconventional warfare increasingly is held by nation-states, whilst so-called rebels maximise their advantages.
We're going back into the future of guerrilla warfare.

It was Uruguayans not Ugandans.

And it was because they had their personal cellphones on them. Technology to track cellphones is widely available and has been used by organised crime in RSA on a number of occasions.

"Hacking" military grade links is a completely different matter.

What makes the Gripen so good: Combat readiness

1. Designed from the start to operate from small airfeilds with limited infastructure
2. Only needs 800m to take-off and land
3. Complete refuel and re-arm in less than 10 min
4. Complete refuel and re-arm requires only 10 trained technician and 5 low-skill assistants
5. All maintenence and re-arm equipment is mobile - it can be packed up and deployed anywhere. It all fits in one single shipping container.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyD0liioY8E

Henry240:

He's deployed in his living room, he's also not a soldier. You're pathetic!

lol, you know I am right - some guy just dressed up for a PR event - and just hurl insults. Why are you fighting? Is something wrong at home?

Pic related: Actual operators in the field.

Henry240:

He has that contentious skull mask on.

Or like Patches689 would say, he's not a soldier, he's Special Forces.

And

He's not on deployment, he's only attending ACD2019.

Is he deployed in the field?

What is wrong with you that you insist on starting fights on the internet? First "no one in Africa is armored" now this. Is your day really that dull?

Henry240:

He's not a soldier.

Again, you still arent disagreeing with anything I said. It just goes to show, its not about scarf for you, its about your own jingoistic rivalries. Boring!

Henry240:


Lmfao

I don't think i have seen a goal post moved in this manner before.

OK then.

The Nigerians were Air Force personnel, not soldiers.

They were also posing for a photo, not active duty.

So then you concede that its unprofessional and shouldent be worn on the front?

kay

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Anyhow... South African Marines

Henry240:

61mech claimed furiously that you would never see a South-African soldier wearing them. He and Patches689 claimed it was not a camouflage and counter-productive, yet low and behold a South-African marine using the same maligned face mask.

*Marine, not soldier*
*wearing it for a photo and not on active duty*

Try again bro.

Henry240:
Nigerian navy SBS

Exercise Obangame 2019

Navy strong


I've always wondered, what's the essence of the "rope" that's usually attached to 9mm side arms?

The Navy SBS also has it attached to his pistol.

So that it doesn’t get lost if suddenly dropped or something like that - they are climbing all over ships and man-handling people so it would happen quite frequently.

It also makes it harder to disarm him.

Henry240:

Imagine guys like these attacking an outpost.

I could just imagine the mayhem they would create.

Mortars and small arms will be all it takes to stop them. Hence why they are used in border patrol and not a more conventional force.

Henry240:

Let's agree to disagree.

You can only agree to disagree on questions of opinion. Every single combat formation in the SANDF is completely armored. This is a question of fact.

Pic related: Sudan

Henry240:

Yet in the DRC and the CAR South-African soldiers have deployed in Pick-up trucks.

The point i was, still am making is apart from Egypt i don't think there's any other African country that can deploy all it's troops engaged in military operations in armour.

Yes, SAAF security units on the airbase in Goma and support staff in Sudan use them. All combat troops are equipped with either MRAP's or IFVs. As I have said the standard ORBAT for any South African combat formation is 100% armor. Not a question of opinion, but one of fact.

Henry240:

I mean fully armoured. Algeria isn't fully armoured, neither is Egypt, South-Africa hasn't deployed in as much number as Egypt, Nigeria and Algeria post apartheid to be fully accessed. The SANDF use Land cruiser as far as i know.

I do agree that the 3 above mentioned countries can deploy lots of armour compared to others but transporting all their troops in armour is not possible.

Every single South African Infantry battalion (motorized) is 100% armored - be it in Ratels (1 200), Casspirs (370) or Mamba's (440). The landcruisers are used for border duties where there is zero risk of ambush or mines.

So like I said, 100% armored. Deployment is a non-starter, they have the equipment and when they deploy they deploy with it.

Henry240:

No army in Africa can fund a fully mechanized force.

What do you mean by this?

If you mean tracked, no army in the world is completely tracked - that kind of ORBAT doesn't make sense. If you mean armored, then there are plenty of countries in Africa that are fully armored... South Africa, Algeria, Egypt and many others have moved away from using soft skinned vehicles (with obvious exceptions for SF).

Arabique:
hmm. You have been updating the wiki page of the Nigerian army. Interesting.

Dont get paranoid, you can check the edit history of the page to see who has done what. Im just helping out some fellow Africans, gotta make sure that the rest of the world is properly informed about us.