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F00028: you digress. you started this thread about the divinity of Jesus but in three short posts you have changed the topic. Are you saying Satan does not know science? Can you quote where the Bible talks about the world being flat, has four corners and standing on pillars? If the scientist discovered something different from what God said, it means He had changed the form He created it. There are a lot of things that have changed from the form they were created including climate change. Even man has changed. Some 40 years ago and earlier, when a child was born, he/she would not open his/her eyes until after 7 days. Now new-babies open their eyes immediately. Things are changing from their original creation. Quran 96:1-5 talks about 'read' and 'pen'. So it is talking about reading and not reciting. You write with pen for reading and not for reciting. Iqra here means reading, not reciting. Lie cannot be turned to truth. Quran 96:4 Who (Allah) teacheth by pen. Did Allah succeed teaching Muhammad reading and writing by pen? Did he become literate? Lies. |
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It has been discovered that threads that contain any statement on islam are transferred to muslims' section even if there are matters relating to christianity there. When christian topics are raised in muslims' section, they are left there. This is giving preference to the muslims. I am of the opinion that threads discussing topics on both religions should be left where they are posted. Thank you. |
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olaade21: With the meaning you formulated in your own way for the word ''may'' as an expression of an intention, a desire, the passage is still saying Allah is intending or desiring to bring muslims out of darkness, but he has not done it yet. What incapacitated him from removing them immediately? Why is it an intention or desire? Even with your own self-made english, muslims are in darkness up till now and is uncertain they will come out of it. |
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olaade21: You said Muhammad did not see the future and did not know what Allah would do to them as all decisions rest with Him. Why would Muhammad not see the future if a true prophet? All you have said still show he did not know his own fate in Allah and that of his followers. Even Gabriel did not know. No other prophet in history expressed such uncertainty in their God. Even now muslims are not sure whether Allah will send them to hell or not as they don't know His intention for them. What a pity. Jesus assured His followers of heaven. We know what God intends to do for us as a loving father. I pray God will deliver you all. |
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olaade21: One last thing before i go.Let me leave all you blocked heads with this.Its a list of the most influential persons of all time.It is a book written by a christian Michael H. Hart.Suggest you read it and see who is the No. 1.Its a bestselling book and well respected work. That was a statement by a carnally intelligent man who was not spiritually sound. It takes only wisdom of God to know the things of God. |
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maclatunji: You cannot teach what you don't know as you cannot give what you don't have. The word ''MAY'' is different from ''SHALL''. Oxford Advanced Learners' Dictionary of Current English says the word ''MAY'' is: 1. ''used to indicate possibility or probability''. This shows uncertainty. 2. ''used to indicate permission or request for permission'' 3. ''used to indicate uncertainty'' 4. ''used to express wishes and hopes''. This again shows uncertainty. Sura 33:43 - ''He it is Who blesseth you, and His angels (bless you), that He ''MAY'' bring you forth from darkness unto light, and He is Merciful to the believers''. Since the word ''MAY'' used in that quotation means uncertainty in english language, it shows the muslim are in darkness and it is not certain Allah will bring them out. Over to you Maclatunji, the grammarian. |
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maclatunji: You cannot teach what you don't know as you cannot give what you don't have. The word ''MAY'' is different from ''SHALL''. Oxford Advanced Learners' Dictionary of Current English says the word ''MAY'' is: 1. ''used to indicate possibility or probability''. This shows uncertainty. 2. ''used to indicate permission or request for permission'' 3. ''used to indicate uncertainty'' 4. ''used to express wishes and hopes''. This again shows uncertainty. Sura 33:43 - ''He it is Who blesseth you, and His angels (bless you), that He ''MAY'' bring you forth from darkness unto light, and He is Merciful to the believers''. Since the word ''MAY'' used in that quotation means uncertainty in english language, it shows the muslim are in darkness and it is not certain Allah will bring them out. Over to you Maclatunji, the grammarian. |
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Saksreal: Does that quotation make Muhammad the Comforter (Holy Ghost) which the world did not know because they could not see Him as He is a Spirit? Was Muhammad invisible? Okay, keep believing Muhammad was the Comforter (Holy Ghost) if he was not born of a man and woman and was not seen and known by the people of his time. But the Comforter (Holy Ghost) Jesus promised manifested on the Day of Penticost in Acts 2:1-4 long before Muhammad was born. There is no place in the Bible where Jesus said ''Ahmed'' is coming after him according to Sura 61:6. Besides Ahmed is not the same as Comforter (Holy Ghost). Gabriel did not say ''Ahmed'' is the Comforter neither Muhammad. The revelations brought by Gabriel to Muhammad were not in harmony with the ones before and God did not confirm his revelations. God Himself did not speak even once in the quran. God did talk directly to the prophets before Muhammad. Why was God silent in his case? |
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olaade21: POINTBLANK,JUST SHUT UP.CAN YOU INTERPRET THE OVER 50,000 ERRORS AND CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS IN THE HOLY BIBLE.HAVE YOUR FOREFATHERS OF THEOLOGY PROFESSORS BEEN ABLE TO FIND ONE ERROR IN THE QURAN,EVEN A SINGLE LETTER. Thanks for your usual insult. I don't expect anything better than that from you. It is expected from a muslim because of the nature of the religion, violence and violence unending. Your quran in sura 33:43 says all muslims are in darkness up till now and Allah did not promise them certainty of coming out of it. Sura 46:9 also says salvation of muslims is not guaranteed as they do not know what Allah will do to them. It takes magic to be a muslim because despite the so many negative things the quran says about the faithfuls, they still cannot see them. The more you look the less you see. What is my fault? I saw a passage in the quran, I read it and interpreted it. You claim my interpretation is wrong and none of you could interpret it otherwise because my interpretation is correct. Am I guity for saying it as it is? Why do you hate the truth? It is a pity. |
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Saksreal: How could Muhammad be the prophet to be raised for the children of Isreal moving from Egypt to Canan? Was he among the Isrealites in the journey? Was he born then? How was he to be made a prophet to replace Moses. Joshua was the prophet raised to replace Moses. Was Joshua not their brethren? A prophet like Moses means a prophet to lead the children of Isreal from their captivity in Egypt to freedom in Canan. Moses prophethood started and ended with leading the children of Isreal out of Egypt and a prophet like him would do exactly his job after him. How did Muhammad fit in here? Comforter (Holy Ghost): The same Jesus who talked about the Comforter said it was the Holy Ghost. Do you know better than Him? Do you have a better idea than Him on the subject He raised? Do you see His mind clearer than Himself, the owner of the mind who said the Comforter is the Holy Ghost? Why do you what to change His statement? This idea of Muhammad being the Comforter is a new development following attack on his prophethood. To get legitimacy for him, muslims started calling him what he is not. Where did the muslims get that doctrine from? Why is it not in the quran or any of the original hadiths? I don't think all these fabrications can make people believe Muhammad was a true prophet. It rather drives people far away from believing because of lies found in the claims. |
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maclatunji: And that makes you unable to interpret the quran you claim you are defending? It means you are only fanatical without knowledge OR why are you running away from interpreting not for me alone but for other readers as well. Common, don't run away, reverse and interpret. |
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maclatunji: For want of evidence. |
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maclatunji: I am not your english student. Interpret the passage and let people judge.. |
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maclatunji: Thank you. But how do you interpret it? |
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maclatunji: Thank you. I passed my O-level in 1978 when there was no exam cheat and I doubt if you were born then. Your abuse is more tolerable as it is at least better than murder, arson and other terrible crimes your fellows commit in defending your religion. Anyway, I want to plead with you to stop being in and defending a religion in darkness. I am not the one who said you muslims are in darkness, it is your quran. The people who moved from light to darkness love darkness more than light. It is no surprise. |
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IbrahimB: @Paris Love If the quran does not talk about sins as important as sex.ual sins, what does it talk about? Infact it does not talk of any sin other attack on Jesus sonship and crucifixion. Laws found in hadiths are not islamic, they are the culture and tradition of the arabs which were in practice before islam. It means islam as a religion does not attach any importance to sin and holiness which are the primary concern of the true God. Does Allah hate sin? Why did He not talk about it in the quran? Then what is the beauty of the quran you people talk of as it is so incomplete, undetailed. Even those things it talked about are incompletely narrated. Without the Bible the details of any prophet or event would not have been known. It is claimed quran is not a story book to cover its deficiencies. But it tells stories of many events wrongly incompletely. Why? To deceive mankind. |
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It is a pity that the said converts to islam (if it is true) moved from light to darkness. Pickthall 33:43 - ''He it is Who blesseth you, and His angels (bless you), that He MAY bring you forth from darkness unto light: and He is Merciful to the believers''. The above quranic verse says all muslims are in darkness and Allah is yet to bring them out. It is not certain they will be out as the quran says Allah MAY bring them out. Why would anyone move from certainty to uncertainty? It is a pity. |
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Zhul-fiqar: I maintain that the Comforter did not manifest physically as Jesus did. He (Comforter) manifested as a Spirit, Holy Spirit not any man or prophet. John 15:17 ''Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive because it seeth him NOT neither KNOWETH him but ye (disciples) know him, for he DWELLETH with you (disciples) and shall BE in you (disciples). Comforter is not a man or prophet for: 1. He is not visible. ''Because the world SEETH him not''. People saw Muhammad as a man. 2. People did not know him because he was a Spirit, invisible. ''Neither KNOWETH him''. People saw and knew Muhammad. 3. The disciples knew him for he DWELLETH (lived) and BE in them as a Spirit. Muhammad was not born yet, how could he live and be inside the disciples as a man? I think this argument of Muhammad, a visible, physical man like you and I being the Comforter should stop as it is not real. Even Gabriel did not tell Muhammad that he was the Comforter, if it were so, he would have told him. If it were so, Muhammad himself would have said it or does anyone know Muhammad better than himself or more than Gabriel? The truth still remains there is no confirmation of Gabriel coming from the true God. |
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Saksreal: Thanks for your apology. Let me state the correct interpretations of the Bible passages you quoted: Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18 Mose was leading the children of Isreal out of Egypt to Canan. Mose was getting old and there was need for a yonger prophet to lead the children of Isreal. So when Moses died, Joshua was appointed (Joshua 1:1-2). The prophesy was not referring to Muhammad because he was not an Isrealite to lead the children of Isreal to Canan and he was not yet born to assume that duty. Isaiah 29:12 The statement here is a proverb. 29:11 says ''And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which MEN (not an angel like Gabriel) delivered to the one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he said, I cannot, for it is sealed''. 29:12 - ''An the book (the same book delivered by men in verse 11 above) is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray: and he said, I am not learned''. Gabriel that commanded Muhammed to read did not come with any book as the Quran was not yet written then. Quran was revealed by recitation and not in a written form at the beginning. The book referred to by the Bible was delivered by MEN and Gabriel did not deliver any book and even if he did he was not a man or men. Therefore the Bible was not referring to Muhammad. The Comforter: So much has been said about this subject and there should be no further argument. Firstly, the Comforter is the Holy Ghost not a human being like Muhammad (John 15:26). In Acts 2:1:4 the Comforter, Holy Ghost manifested to the disciples as Jesus had promised. Acts 2:4 says ''And they were all filled with the 'Holy Ghost (Comforter), and began to speal with new tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance''. The promise of the Comforter was already fulfilled before Muhammad was born. Therefore there is still no confirmation for Gabriel's message to Muhammed. |
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Saksreal: People who worship the true God don't abuse others. God spoke to confirm His message earlier sent through the true angel Gabriel in Luke 1:35 that Mary was going to have a son who shall be called the Son of God. What confirmation did Gabriel that spoke to Muhammad have that he was from God? |
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It is a pity. Moving from truth to falsehood. |
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Muslim youths will continue to dominate garages as long as muslims marry many wives and have children they cannot cater for educationally. They are not only in garages, they are found in many menial jobs. What do you expect? |
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kalim.shareef: Allah teaches by pen. So he writes everywhere. He loves writings. But why did he choose an illiterate who could not write as his prophet? |
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maclatunji: ^Nice effort, read the translation of Chapter 112 of the Qur'an. God talks about himself there, and the name he uses is 'Allah'. This name is from God himself not paganism. Hello Maclatunji, How are you so sure it was the true God that spoke in the Quran? What do you have to confirm that Gabriel that spoke to Muhammed was God's angel? Waiting for your proof. |
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Allah is a magician. Every strange thing he does looks magical. There have been many arabic writings on trees, ground, air, animals and even humans. The other time he wrote something at Idumota. Writing, writing and writing. Is he making up for Muhammad's inability to read and write? Since Allah likes writings so much, why did he pick illiterate Muhammad as his prophet? What Allah is capable of doing is only writings here and there. He is not capable of empowering his faithfuls to heal the sick and raise the dead by words of prayer without resulting to magic (tira or charm). |
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This is nothing but magic. Demonic operations to deceive the people. I once saw a documentary on NTA a Japanees great warrior who had died a long time ago. The fisher men caught some tortoise in the ocean and all of them had the photograph of the warrior inscribed on their back. Was this also from Allah? Ordinary magic! |
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@usisky If the quran is scientifically accurate, it is not special. What is science? It is the handiwork of God studied by man. Angels and demons are spirit beings with great knowledge. They have been existing on earth before man and they know every about the earth. The quran is inconsistent. It approves of the Jews and Christians today and condemns them tomorow. During the quranic revelations, what had changed in christianity within the period it approved of it that made it condemn it later? Allah/Gabriel are not omniscience and therefore errors are found in their revelations |
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