davidylan:

how did they "discriminate" against you? by exercising the right to decide who they want to be friends with? Or like plaetton, you cry "discrimination" because they wont pick your calls or invite you to their parties anymore?

Cry me a river dude.

I felt a difference btw when we share the same faith and when we dont. They simply ostracized me in all ways possible and now, they have all gone away from me, they dont even call. They believe the devil has me now and there is no relationship with light and darkness.

Even you do that, once you establish that someone does not share your view, you make a fool of that person, twisting everything to suit only you.

This is not a premise of debate, this is real. Xtians discriminate a lot nut muslims ki

I am an agnostic and most time I take atheist view in a matter.

WHEN I BECAME AN AGNOSTIC, I TOLD MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND MY XTIAN FRIENDS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ME. NOW, THEY HAVE LEFT ME ALTOGETHER, but my family only take refuge in prayer, believing that one day, I will encounter their god.

Xtians DO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ATHEIST AND AGNOSTICS IN NIGERIA. DENYING THAT FACT IS STU.PID

We believe in living a fulfilled life during this one single existence. We believe in total freedom and e believe that death is the end of us as an individual.

here is a food for thought.

THERE IS NOTHING MORE COWARDLY, PUSSILANIMOUS THAN BEING A XTIAN OR MUSLIM, FEARING HELL THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN AND CANNOT PROVE AND BELIEVING HEAVEN THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN AND CANNOT PROVE.

ONLY THE STRONG CAN BOLDLY SAY: SEEING IS BELIEVING. THESE ARE THE ATHEISTS. AND AGNOSTICS

SO XTIANS, NO ONE IS A COWARD EXCEPT YOU.

hey david, you again. am waiting for your answers on origin in ooman's thread. anyway, Eat this .

ATHEISTS LOVE TO DEBUNK XTIANS BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE A LITTLE. ISLAM IS DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR, HAVE YOU READ THE QURAN AT ALL, IT CONTAINS NOTHING THAT MAKES SCIENTIFIC SENSE.

AM AN AGNOSTIC AND I ALSO SPEAK AGAINST XTIANS AND BIBLE BECAUSE I FEEL THREATENED BY ITS EXPLANATIONS, IF NOT, I WILL JUST ABANDON THE BIBLE LIKE MOST ATHEISTS DO TO QURAN.

SECONDLY, SPEAKING AGAINST THE QURAN MIGHT GET YOU BOMBED AND KILLED, MUSLIMS ARE ANIMALS, WHO WOULD DEBATE WITH THEM?
SO WE FEEL SECURED ABUSING XTIAN GOD AND DEBUNKING THE BIBLE THAN DOING THE SAME TO MUSLIMS BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT, XTIANS CANT JUST BE CRAZY ENOUGH TO KILL FOR THAT.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Koora: All Atheists in d house, i just want to know. What makes u believe that there is no God? and how do u tink u wer created? do u believe in evolution (big bang theory) or do u tink u came from monkeys because if that is so why do we still have monkeys on earth. And don't say u dont know how every tin came into being bcause den u will jst be foolish. Cause "the foolish has said in his heart there is no God". Anyway one tin i understand is dat the devil has blinded people and all we can do is pray so u have an encounter wit the Lord. A scientist once said "HELL IS TRUTH DISCOVERED TOO LATE". AND THERE IS NO COMING BACK FROM HELL.

we are still learning, so instead of threatening those who are searching for answers with hell, what to do is to encourage them.

if a god exist, who created a universe as vast as we have, then how people live 80 or 100 years should not be his yardstick in determining how they will spend eternity. if you want to remain stup.id and caged under xtianity, that's your business but keep your opinion of hell to your self.

davidylan:

i have not said anything remotely close to the bible here so i dont know what you're on about "reiterating biblical nonsense". You call the bible "nonsense" but have zero grip on your science alternative.

Chemical evolution makes zero sense... you trumped the Miller-Urey experiment as proof that it was a possibility but then ended up looking like the foolishly ignorant person you are. Yes Miller generated 80% coal tar and 1.05% glycine (including useless and dangerous D-isomers that are NOT found in nature by the way)... but we now know that the atmosphere then (which was not reducing despite the lies you've been fed) does not support that experiment. Besides... what made the nucleotides that are precursors of the amino acids or were amino acids generated independently?

I have noticed that you are really empty with no message to pass across.

you keep asking what when I told you twice I do not know and since you obviously know how to debunk other people 's ideas I thought you might have an answer yourself but you dont seem to.

stop asking me, you tell me and if you dont know, stop wasting my time.

so what made the first life and all life, how did everything come about? you have to give answers, dont just be an enemy of progress, use your head and add to the progress yourself.

this is the same question I asked brokoto and now, he is no where to be found.

am waiting.

davidylan:

Actually you are the dullard. You just admitted that aspartic acid is translated from DNA (really as a component of proteins)... that makes nonsense of the Miller-Urey experiment because it was unable to make nucleotides which are the precursors of proteins!

So where did the nucleotides come from?

I told you I dont know, chemical evolution is a possibility, am assuming you know better genius. but pls dont reiterate biblical nonsense.

davidylan:

huh?

A combination of nucleotides make up aspartic acid? Have you been drinking?

if nucleotide sequence does not make up amino acid which make iife, tell me what does.

you are way too dull to talk about this.

Kay 17:

If there is a discourse on the ORIGIN of Life, then life definitely has an inanimate parent.

perfectly right but not fully understood.

Kay 17:

If there is a discourse on the ORIGIN of Life, then life definitely has an inanimate parent.

perfectly right

this case is simple and is not worth the abuses over.

the fact is that atheists, agnostics, deists do not have any obligations to any religion so their children are free

but the theists believe that they
have failed parenting and god if their children do not follow their religion.

the problem is the religious mind set not about god. being atheist or deists do not in any way reduce god. also I dont think it is right for parents to force religion on children. it is not the number of people who worship a god that matters, it is the number of people who personally know him and worship him willingly.

if god is great, then he is great, nothing can reduce him.

Kay 17:

TRue! BUT the first cause must be be simplest and most basic substance.

TRUE, so what is the first cause or who is it.

davidylan:

this is what you said and i quote - ooman did not claim that it produced life but "living molecules ". oomans living mecules are molecules that make like up life like aspartic acid etc that the experiment produced.

incase you dont know, they are nucleotides that make up DNA that make you up.

So what nucleotides were you talking about? Who made them?

What is the relevance of formic acid here? It is not a human product of any relevance.

I was talking about ooman's living molecule. for anything to qualify as "living molecules", it has to be adenine, cytosine, thymine (uracil) or guanine. combination of these make up aspartic acid (AAU AAC).

I thought you of all, with your "intelligence " would understand that.

I mentioned formic acid so u' d know I wasn't meaning aspartic acid when I mentioned nucleotides.

about who made them, I dont know but I am more certain that the hindus or muslims got their origin right than your silly outdated bible.

davidylan:

there really is no tact or manners needed to address someone who claims that aspartic acid is a NUCLEOTIDE and hence a component of DNA!

Please seek a refund of your school fees and pay your tithe.

U ARE A DUMB FO.OL FOR IMPLYING WHAT I NEVER MEANT.

aspartic acid was an example, the experiment did produce formic acid, is that an amino acid or nucleotide too.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT OOMAN'S " LIVING MOLECULES "

u think u r intelligent but u are not.

davidylan:

You didnt need 4 pretentious lines to tell us you had no answer to the facts. Like Fox News, you all live in a fact-free bubble so no surprises there.

u are a real duce dunce. whenever I read your post, I feel pitty for a mannerles, tackless dying id.iot that you are.

u lack basic understand of thesis.
u tell people to request for school fees but u should start from nursery 1.

Deep Sight:
^^^ And very simply, it did not produce life, as ooman claimed.

ooman did not claim that it produced life but "living molecules ". oomans living mecules are molecules that make like up life like aspartic acid etc that the experiment produced.

incase you dont know, they are nucleotides that make up DNA that make you up.

davidylan:

The thymus isnt degenerate. There is something called T cells - you know those cells that the HIV virus primarily targets thus leaving you susceptible to the simplest of all infections? Well the "T" in that name is short for the THYMUS because that is where they are made! The body is absolutely remarkable in that for the most part, other body parts have the ability to compensate for the loss of one organ... for example even the bone marrow can take up T cell production in the absence of a thymus. Its like having a back-up system in the event of a mechanical failure. That to me is indicative of an INTELLIGENT design of the human body.

Bros your school fees would be better used as tithe.

u are very very very silly and dumb for diverging to thymus when we are talking about appendix

must you change the contention to prove anything, does that make you feel intelligent?

tell u what, u are so boring that talking with u is tedious.

byebye

davidylan:

You are being disingenous here. There is a difference between "living molecules" and "precursors to molecules that made life up". Secondly, amino acids are certainly not precursors to life... and you should note that a good 90% of the products of Miller's experiment was COAL TAR! Third, NASA has debunked the very premise of Miller's experiment (Levine, J. (1983), “New Ideas About the Early Atmosphere,” NASA Special Report, No. 225, Langley Research Center, August 11)... that the earth started out in a reducing state. This implies that oxygen has always existed in the atmosphere... a condition that makes Miller's experiment essentially useless since he SHOWED QUITE CLEARLY that his experiment fell apart in the presence of oxygen.

but most importantly, Miller's amino acids were a mixture of both L and D isomers. We know very well that only the L amino acids are found in nature. The D form of amino acids are actually deleterious.

Try again plum head.

u try again, the experiment never INCLUDED FREE OXYGEN

mixture of nh3, ch4, h2, boiling h2o, electricity, n2, co2 was all molecules used IN A VACUUM.

davidylan:

The thymus isnt degenerate. There is something called T cells - you know those cells that the HIV virus primarily targets thus leaving you susceptible to the simplest of all infections? Well the "T" in that name is short for the THYMUS because that is where they are made! The body is absolutely remarkable in that for the most part, other body parts have the ability to compensate for the loss of one organ... for example even the bone marrow can take up T cell production in the absence of a thymus. Its like having a back-up system in the event of a mechanical failure. That to me is indicative of an INTELLIGENT design of the human body.

Bros your school fees would be better used as tithe.

why do u like thymus so much.

we are talking about appendix.
dont be silly

davidylan:

Over 100 yrs ago, Darwin told us the thymus was a vestigial organ... now we know better.

My brother... i do not respect complete dunces. To say that the appendix is vestigial is the antithesis of learning.

vestigial- NO

degenerate-YES

chukkynwob:

Or maybe Ooman's idea that you can touch and feel energy,despite the fact that I tried my utmost best to redeem him from such ignorance. I rest my case.

energy can only be conceived, we are all still learning.

actually, I think energy is an idea, can you help? I need more theories about energy.

ACTUALLY APPENDIX IS A FINGERLIKE EXTENSION OF THE VETERBRATE CECUM THAT CONTAINS MASS OF WHITE BLOOD CELLS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO IMMUNITY. BUT BECAUSE LYMPH NODE AND MANY OTHER WHITE CELLS STORING MECHANISM HAS EVOLVED, WHICH ARE MORE EFFICIENT THAN APPENDIX, MANY SCIENTISTS THEREFORE THINK THAT ITS FUNCTION IS DEGENERATE IN HUMAN.

PEOPLE WHO REMOVED THEIR APPENDIX DO NOT SHOW SYMPTOMS OF IMMUNE FAILURE BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER BODY PARTS PERFORMING THE FUNCTION MORE. EVOLUTIONARILY, IT IS DEGENERATE SIMPLE

davidylan:

oops i guess i overestimated your own intelligence. Ooman's idea of the appendix as a vestigial organ is correct in current scientific knowledge? Please you need a refund of your school fees pls.

tell me the appendix was never and is still not believed BY SOME SCIENTISTS to be a vestigial organ. its function has not been agreeably determined FULLY. so some still think its vestigial organ. SIMILAR organs have uses in other animals.

dont be too quick to abuse people with words just because you are on the internet, you dont know who the person at the other end is. respect is reciprocal

Deep Sight:

Zero % wrong? Like when the eediot claimed that an experiment had produced "living" molecules?

DEEPSIGHT you followed me here. you will spend a week in hell for stalking me.

when ooman said they produced living molecules, he meant they produced molecules that are precursors to molecules that made life up, you guys misunderstood him. the molecules produced include GLYCINE, SARCOSINE, ALPHA ALANINE, ASPARTIC ACID, FORMIC ACID, UREA, BETA ALAMINE among others

3 of the above molecules are nucleotides that make up DNA THAT MADE ALL LIFE UP, so in a sense, ooman is right.

The possibility of chance to produce such product is very low in mathematical sense, ran into one in billions, a matimatician says its 1 in 40 billion, yet experiment confirmed its possibility, this and some personal reasons is why I forgot about the xtians explanation and became an agnostic and why I want to learn about your believes(deepsight).

davidylan:

which is why "smart" poop like you believe the idiocy that ooman dishes out to you daily? You certainly dont give a very good account of your smarts my boy.

what he says are correct in current scientific knowledge. I have read through everything, maybe his pattern of writing is wrong as they are sometimes contradictory but his aims are right after all.

give me one example of what he says that is TOTALLY wrong without redemption. majority of what he said you choose to reject and ignore. then you pick on some of his ideas and make a matter out of it. ooman is better than you 100% .

ooman: everything I have said here is supported by verified evidences. you may reject some of them, but you cannot reject all of them

you are always 90% right, 10% controversial, 0% wrong.

davidylan:

hey poop! Feeling angry that i love to expose the utter lack of grey matter many of your blabbing atheists keep insisting on showing around here?

am not an atheist, silly but I dont believe in your god and savior. only dumb people like you believe such stories.

greatgenius: @POOpLI God is simple the totality of everything in the universe both seen and unseen that exist and has existed and will exist.. God is energy/consciouness/univrsal mind/infinite creator.. she is all there is and all that is.. there is no one else but God and we are all an individuated aspect of the one God..you are God made man..

you have to explain further. is there a separate entity called god who is different from us. I dont understand your concept of god..

greatgenius: well she/he/it is both the creator and the created..until people begin to understand this they will fall short of the true understanding of God.

the simplest yet most reasonable and explicated answer provided so far

islam is terrorism. stop teaching people how to be murderers

even the bible say faith without work is dead

prayer+hardwork- success

hardwork-prayer- success

prayer only- failure

hatdwork only- success

THEREFORE PRAYER IS ONLY A WASTE OF TIME.