raumdeuter:


Politics is give and take. Which is why I said if Republicans and Democrats want to get this done, they know what to do.
These people are simply playing politics with these, And Dreamers are caught in the web of politics. Another 4yrs will go and nothing will be done. I prefer solutions and not mere talk.

We need realistic solution fast and not all these white people this, black people that, Identity politics that some people love to play. Every argument about any topic is dumbed down to White people vs non white people

Listen to this from a Texas Democrat

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/03/14/rep-vicente-gonzalez-texas-border-immigration-biden-ip-phillip-vpx.cnn


WASHINGTON — Democrats who represent communities along the border are ratcheting up the pressure on President Joe Biden to take action as a wave of migrants has started crossing into Texas.

Honestly Biden should've had a plan in place before he took those Trump admin restrictions off.
The gang of 8 probably had the best immigration bill in recent times but as usual petty politics ruined it.
Biden should've never said people in the country before November last year would be eligible for his immigration plan.
Good thing he's now pressuring Mexico to help curb the surge.

raumdeuter:


2. There must be a lasting solution to the Southern border, 100k border crossing a month is not sustainable for any country. This has been the sticking point for most Republicans in Congress. Any solution that doesn't address this is just band-aid in my opinion

The number 2 point is very important so that every 20yrs we don't arrive at this point

Bro, both parties actually know this is a major issue. The problem is who wants to give up political points for any reasonable deal to be made? The Republicans are currently holding out for the 2022 midterms, and will oppose any immigration bill the Democrats bring to the Senate. I really don't know if the border wall would help, but maybe it should be completed to help deter recurring surge of illegal crossings.

raumdeuter:
Pelosi shot down a Merit based system

Later they will say its Republicans who did not want to allow immigration? Once again what is wrong with adopting the Canada style merit based immigration system where priority is given to those highly educated people that will fix the countries needs
Basically having higher levels of education, English skills, in-demand professional expertise was what Democrats deemed as wrong for the country

What is wrong in priritizing visas for people with extra ordinary talents? You are exceptional in your field? Then America wants you. What is wrong with that? But the Democrat desire to play politics and do nothing will make them shoot it down

Even demanding potential immigrants speak English was shot down, You can't immigrate to Canada if you don't have at least 6 in IELTS or French Language

The EB1,2&3 visas actually cover merit-based immigration. The problems are the backlogs for
Asian countries due to per country limits, extended processing times during Trump's tenure, and the strict requirements for company sponsorship.

Naturally, an MS/PhD graduate from a US University currently working in his/her field in the US should be able to petition for these visas without requiring company sponsorship. But that is not the case presently, unless the person decides to go through the NIW. Stephen Miller, Trump's immigration adviser, even made matters worse. He totally opposed legal migration just like Trump did.

If Melanie Trump could easily get the Einstein visa (EB1) based on her "modeling" career, why should an Indian/Chinese engineer working at Spotify and graduated from an American University, have to wait 100 years just to get a priority date for his EB2 application? Trump's immigration plan which was drafted by Stephen Miller, was to make it even more difficult for people to migrate legally to the US. If Oga Trump had won reelection, they would have used Covid as an excuse to potentially block immigration for the next 4 to 8 years.

edi287:

Honestly Biden should've had a plan in place before he took those Trump admin restrictions off.
The gang of 8 probably had the best immigration bill in recent times but as usual petty politics ruined it.
Biden should've never said people in the country before November last year would be eligible for his immigration plan.
Good thing he's now pressuring Mexico to help curb the surge.

He is quietly asking them to bring back trumps policy he called trump xenophobic and racist for those policy but now he wants Mexico to bring back the Trump policy. They shouldn't.

pompeiimagnus:


The EB1,2&3 visas actually cover merit-based immigration. The problems are the backlogs for
Asian countries due to per country limits, extended processing times during Trump's tenure, and the strict requirements for company sponsorship.

Naturally, an MS/PhD graduate from a US University currently working in his/her field in the US should be able to petition for these visas without requiring company sponsorship. But that is not the case presently, unless the person decides to go through the NIW. Stephen Miller, Trump's immigration adviser, even made matters worse. He totally opposed legal migration just like Trump did.

If Melanie Trump could easily get the Einstein visa (EB1) based on her "modeling" career, why should an Indian/Chinese engineer working at Spotify and graduated from an American University, have to wait 100 years just to get a priority date for his EB2 application? Trump's immigration plan which was drafted by Stephen Miller, was to make it even more difficult for people to migrate legally to the US. If Oga Trump had won reelection, they would have used Covid as an excuse to potentially block immigration for the next 4 to 8 years.

Thank God someone sees what I am talking about

”metit based ”

Yesterday we were talking about immigration reform

same yesterday for the first time ever

House passed a bill for pathway to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants ”dreamers” making 4.4 million kids eligible for permanent residency

Only 9 Republicans in the house voted with Democrats

that same yesterday, a bill that would permit farm workers and there family to to earn legal status through continued employment in the agricultural sector, and would make changes to the H-2A agricultural guest worker program.
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Watch it get voted against in the Senate

Because of the archaic filibuster system

when I kept mention bipartisanship earlier for immigration reform

”Merit-based”

Like that would stop the illegal border crossing.

Cornpop:


He is quietly asking them to bring back trumps policy he called trump xenophobic and racist for those policy but now he wants Mexico to bring back the Trump policy. They shouldn't.

If he had a plan - then that's fine. But he didn't. So yeah...

Timiofak:


Thank God someone sees what I am talking about

”metit based ”

I swear! Melanie Trump got her greencard by claiming that she was a global model and qualified as "extraordinary ability". Meanwhile a STEM MS/PhD graduate still needs to go through hurdles to prove extraordinary ability.

Timiofak:
Yesterday we were talking about immigration reform

same yesterday for the first time ever

House passed a bill for pathway to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants ”dreamers” making 4.4 million kids eligible for permanent residency

Only 9 Republicans in the house voted with Democrats.

The Republican leadership in Congress actually sent out a memo to their members not to vote for the bill. It's not going to be a surprise when McConnell and co. at the Senate unanimously oppose it when it gets to them. All eyes are on 2022, they just want to oppose everything and win back more Senate seats. It's just amazing how powerful the US Senate is, and how they can frustrate any administration's agenda.

pompeiimagnus:


I swear! Melanie Trump got her greencard by claiming that she was a global model and qualified as "extraordinary ability". Meanwhile a STEM MS/PhD graduate still needs to go through hurdles to prove extraordinary ability.

When I said it is not merit-based I know what I was saying

it can easily be bought by money

all in the name of merit-based



let's be realistic here a graduate from a North American or European university would be picked over a graduate from Obafemi Awolowo University with a first-class

Let's stop pretending like we haven't seen rich people Conner these things.

pompeiimagnus:


The Republican leadership in Congress actually sent out a memo to their members not to vote for the bill. It's not going to be a surprise when McConnell and co. at the Senate unanimously oppose it when it gets to them. All eyes are on 2022, they just want to oppose everything and win back more Senate seats. It's just amazing how powerful the US Senate is, and how they can frustrate any administration's agenda.

This is exactly what I pointed earlier

no immigration reform would pass without bipartisan support, and the so-called republicans blocking it, claiming to be in favour of ”merit-based”

Are actually against any form of migration be it legal or illegal

Proposing bills to cut legal migration by half.

The border crisis, this is not the first time it's happening.

as trumps draconian policies could be, it happened in 2019 under him

it's just what happens when economic hardships happen. People from those countries send their kids unaccompanied

hoping they get in.

It isn't a good thing, personally I don't know how it could be mitigated
Tough decisions would have to be made

But us pretending like it's because of ” Biden's open borders” caused it

is just plain foolishness.

pompeiimagnus:


The EB1,2&3 visas actually cover merit-based immigration. The problems are the backlogs for
Asian countries due to per country limits, extended processing times during Trump's tenure, and the strict requirements for company sponsorship.

Naturally, an MS/PhD graduate from a US University currently working in his/her field in the US should be able to petition for these visas without requiring company sponsorship. But that is not the case presently, unless the person decides to go through the NIW. Stephen Miller, Trump's immigration adviser, even made matters worse. He totally opposed legal migration just like Trump did.

If Melanie Trump could easily get the Einstein visa (EB1) based on her "modeling" career, why should an Indian/Chinese engineer working at Spotify and graduated from an American University, have to wait 100 years just to get a priority date for his EB2 application? Trump's immigration plan which was drafted by Stephen Miller, was to make it even more difficult for people to migrate legally to the US. If Oga Trump had won reelection, they would have used Covid as an excuse to potentially block immigration for the next 4 to 8 years.

You will agree that even before Trumps administration there were backlogs which stifled many of these stem graduates that some of them had to go back

Trump had his own evil agenda but the system wasn't working before Trump either

pompeiimagnus:


Bro, both parties actually know this is a major issue. The problem is who wants to give up political points for any reasonable deal to be made? The Republicans are currently holding out for the 2022 midterms, and will oppose any immigration bill the Democrats bring to the Senate. I really don't know if the border wall would help, but maybe it should be completed to help deter recurring surge of illegal crossings.

I personally don't think a wall will do much as people will still find a way around it. There are tunnels from Mexico to USA

But if granting a wall is what will break the deadlock then let's do it.

There are people especially dreamers whose life are stuck because of politics

Another idea is to expand the J1 visa like a migrant worker system where artisans mainly from Latin America who are vital in the construction industry can come in work for like 9months and return home then come in for another 9months. I know Jamaican nannies who come in spend like 6months go out and come back

Many people if they know they can come in and go out regularly won't really overstay their visas

In the Canadian system, they also prioritize Canadian degrees over foreign degrees

It's foolishness to train these smart guys and not offer them an opportunity to stay if they desire to

pompeiimagnus:


The EB1,2&3 visas actually cover merit-based immigration. The problems are the backlogs for
Asian countries due to per country limits, extended processing times during Trump's tenure, and the strict requirements for company sponsorship.

Naturally, an MS/PhD graduate from a US University currently working in his/her field in the US should be able to petition for these visas without requiring company sponsorship. But that is not the case presently, unless the person decides to go through the NIW. Stephen Miller, Trump's immigration adviser, even made matters worse. He totally opposed legal migration just like Trump did.

If Melanie Trump could easily get the Einstein visa (EB1) based on her "modeling" career, why should an Indian/Chinese engineer working at Spotify and graduated from an American University, have to wait 100 years just to get a priority date for his EB2 application? Trump's immigration plan which was drafted by Stephen Miller, was to make it even more difficult for people to migrate legally to the US. If Oga Trump had won reelection, they would have used Covid as an excuse to potentially block immigration for the next 4 to 8 years.

He deliberately made a far right and anti immigration person as advisor for policies that included immigration

The so called merit idea put forward after canceling the h1b is just going to be like the health policy to replace the ACA. People would wait forever.

If the last administration was serious, the merit system would have been released immediately the h1b was cancelled, at least it was talked about as far back as February 2017. I remember immigrant professionals moving north to Canada after the cancellation of the h1b. The IT giants protests fell on deaf ears.

Stephen Miller even made immigration (legal or not) and citizenship harder on the last administration's way out of office.

raumdeuter:


I personally don't think a wall will do much as people will still find a way around it. There are tunnels from Mexico to USA

But if granting a wall is what will break the deadlock then let's do it.

There are people especially dreamers whose life are stuck because of politics

Another idea is to expand the J1 visa like a migrant worker system where artisans mainly from Latin America who are vital in the construction industry can come in work for like 9months and return home then come in for another 9months. I know Jamaican nannies who come in spend like 6months go out and come back

Many people if they know they can come in and go out regularly won't really overstay their visas

All these are good ideas if the republicans can also support them.

edi287:

If he had a plan - then that's fine. But he didn't. So yeah...

Trump fixed the immigration problem... He came and destroyed everything with a pen. He could have been focusing on other things.

salford1:

He deliberately made a far right and anti immigration person as advisor for policies that included immigration

The so called merit idea put forward after canceling the h1b is just going to be like the health policy to replace the ACA. People would wait forever.

If the last administration was serious, the merit system would have been released immediately the h1b was cancelled, at least it was talked about as far back as February 2017. I remember immigrant professionals moving north to Canada after the cancellation of the h1b. The IT giants protests fell on deaf ears.

Trump is no longer the president. I thought Biden will solve all this and make the world be like heaven? Why are we still deflecting and talking about trump? Didn't Biden solve the oil pipeline deal between us and Canada? Those are the things we should be talking about. Biden has cause chaos on the border... Talk about his incompetent.

Cornpop:


Trump is no longer the president. I thought Biden will solve all this and make the world be like heaven? Why are we still deflecting and talking about trump? Didn't Biden solve the oil pipeline deal between us and Canada? Those are the things we should be talking about. Biden has cause chaos on the border... Talk about his incompetent.

Did you read my entire post and the one I replied to. It seems you just took a piece out of it to pass a point.
What pipeline deal? I thought that was done. Flogging a dead horse eh?

Timiofak:


This is exactly what I pointed earlier

no immigration reform would pass without bipartisan support, and the so-called republicans blocking it, claiming to be in favour of ”merit-based”

Are actually against any form of migration be it legal or illegal

Proposing bills to cut legal migration by half.

The border crisis, this is not the first time it's happening.

as trumps draconian policies could be, it happened in 2019 under him

it's just what happens when economic hardships happen. People from those countries send their kids unaccompanied

hoping they get in.

It isn't a good thing, personally I don't know how it could be mitigated
Tough decisions would have to be made

But us pretending like it's because of ” Biden's open borders” caused it

is just plain foolishness.

Point is that the GOP are not in total support of immigration. They care less if it is legal or not.

Immigration is always a big issue to conservatives all around the world. They use it as a tool to get votes from their base.

salford1:

Did you read my entire post and the one I replied to. It seems you just took a piece out of it to pass a point.
What pipeline deal? I thought that was done. Flogging a dead horse eh?

I don't see you talking about him killing jobs left and right and ask people to learn how to install solar panel Ford is moving their plant to Mexico and he is thinking of raising tax, something that drove them away. Jobs are going but he is making it easy for illegals to flood the country. I will just be watching with popcorn

Cornpop:


I don't see you talking about him killing jobs left and right and ask people to learn how to install solar panel Ford is moving their plant to Mexico and he is thinking of raising tax, something that drove them away. Jobs are going but he is making it easy for illegals to flood the country. I will just be watching with popcorn

Don't forget to have a soda with the popcorn

We are all watching. It's still too early to judge him I think.

salford1:

Don't forget to have a soda with the popcorn

We are all watching. It's still too early to judge him I think.

lol

raumdeuter:

Many people if they know they can come in and go out regularly won't really overstay their visas

Yes this is very true. If people knew they won't face any restrictions when trying to reenter, they won't bother overstaying and becoming undocumented.

pompeiimagnus:


Yes this is very true. If people knew they won't face any restrictions when trying to reenter, they won't bother overstaying and becoming undocumented.

Many cultures have festive seasons and most people prefer to spend that in their home country. E.g Tell a Nigerian he can stay the whole year, leave and re-enter without issues but leave for 3months out of 12, he will just schedule it between November and January when its cold in America and festive season in Nigeria

salford1:

Point is that the GOP are not in total support of immigration. They care less if it is legal or not.

Immigration is always a big issue to conservatives all around the world. They use it as a tool to get votes from their base.

Exactly, so why are they pretending like they actually care if it is merit-based or not

Come out and say it

We don't want migrants.

no dey use corner corner

President George W Bush gave an interview on the current immigration issue and below are some of what he said

Note: He is a conservative

He said he was "deeply concerned with the rhetoric around immigration," and it was a "political pipe dream" to send away the over 11 million unauthorized immigrants in this country.
"There needs to be an overhaul, which means that we need to get politics out of the system and get sober-minded people focusing on a) what's best for our economy and b) what's best for our country," the 43rd president said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-w-bush-immigration-path-to-citizenship

Joe Biden falls twice while boading.a plane.
He looks clearly lost. He will need an elevator soon.
Imagine if this had happened to Trump. It would have been calls for the 25th.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1372935931204927491

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/19/watch-joe-biden-falls-on-steps-while-boarding-air-force-one/

This week also he called Kamala President.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/29/watch-joe-biden-calls-kamala-harris-president-elect/amp/

Timiofak:


Exactly, so why are they pretending like they actually care if it is merit-based or not

Come out and say it

We don't want migrants.

no dey use corner corner

You nailed it my man. These Republicans now are strictly against immigration. They are against legal immigration as much as they are against illegal immigration. You can tell by the posturing of the Klannish Stephen Miller when he was the architect of the immigration reform under Trump. Gone are the days of sensible Republicans like The Gipper, Bush Snr and Bush Jnr. It's ok though because the dynamics of America is changing and in about three or four decades from now, America will be a majority minority country.

basilico:
Joe Biden falls twice while boading.a plane.
He looks clearly lost. He will need an elevator soon.
Imagine if this had happened to Trump. It would have been calls for the 25th.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1372935931204927491

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/19/watch-joe-biden-falls-on-steps-while-boarding-air-force-one/

This week also he called Kamala President.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/29/watch-joe-biden-calls-kamala-harris-president-elect/amp/

Biden was falling like a drunkard, he fell three times before he reached the top of the stairs. Americans have elected their own version of Buhari

Liberals---challenges
Conservatives---crises

Reading American news from both right and left media: interesting stuff.