TheSourcerer:
too long , God is undesiring of a title worthy to form a group .
Though we are tagged Atheists, Unbelievers ,Satanists (who are just a mockery of christiaindom by the way )
I prefer a freethinker , yes .

Too long? A statement containing 5 words is longer than your header containing 17 Worda?

Wonderful reasoning 5 is more than 17!

True Atheists have always maintained that they truly do not Hate God which is where and why they are different from Satanist.

For Satanist Clearly, Unabashedly and Insanely Hate God!

budaatum:


You yourself said we are who (and what) we are, so why quibble over whether we are light or humans? As long as we can agree that we are not pigs or ants or tables and have the freewill to become whatever we may wish, I really do not get your point.

Hope, however, is about what we can become, so you might find it's needed, unless you are satisfied with who or what you currently are.

we are as ant and pigs , yes . our society is in no way higher than ours.

LordReed:


Yeah?

missed you buddy stay safe man.

TheSourcerer:
Dtruthspeaker I suspect your moniker may be bred from seeking truth , which of course may again not be the case but know there is clear line brteween truth and fact
It is your truth to decide 2 +2 = 1 who are we to deny that . it is your truth
But the fact is 2 +2 =4
Jesus is Lord is truth yes
Allah is the only God yes this is truth
But the fact it there is no God god or dieties.

Truth is Always Naturally Provable for it is Always Naturally Evidenced!

Hence there is No Evidence for.2 + 2= 1 therefore, I do not subscribe to it, (same for Square Root i add)

But the Truth of 2+2= 4 for it is Proven by Nature itself!

And Nature has already Proven the Existence of God and even you, in the past, waa stopped when I Prove it to you and you could not reasonably rebut or offer up any valid counter!

budaatum:


Trust your eyes! You can very clearly see with your eyes that buda has no stand, apart from love one another of course.

And when you see buda's standlessness, ask yourself the direct question why you stand where you stand.

Morality not by choice but how my genetic profile is made me to be , formed me to be . the same way you were formed .
The word created is so transitional, who created you ? Who is gods creator ? Who created god? Who created gods creator ? You see the problem with the word created. Why should I or you be created why not formed

budaatum:


Sorry, but you are going to have to speak for yourself, because for the intent and purpose of the current state of this discussion, buda pleads Igbo and states that if buda says yes and buda's Chi of buda's Genes do not say yes with buda, buda will take that disagreeing Chi of buda's Genes to the bottom of the river and bash its head in and get another Chi of buda's Genes that are more agreeable with buda.

You'd get it if you've read Things Fall Apart.

a you a slave to your Chi?

Dtruthspeaker:


Too long? A statement containing 5 words is longer than your header containing 17 Worda?

Wonderful reasoning 5 is more than 17!

True Atheists have always maintained that they truly do not Hate God which is where and why they are different from Satanist.

For Satanist Clearly, Unabashedly and Insanely Hate God!

sadly satanists (Satan worshippers are not welcomed at all in these region 21st century)
Nudism too , naturalism is creeping in the south .

TheSourcerer:
sadly satanists (Satan worshippers are not welcomed at all in these region 21st century)

Wickedness and lovers of wickedness are generally not welcomed anywhere in any century.

Even wicked people do not truly want wicked people near them!

budaatum:


Yes, the universe is infinite. And freedom is relative.

At the moment, I happen to be imprisoned to my toilet. Yes, you read that right, my toilet. You see. I want to go to the supermarket down the road but my weak bowel is like something wants to emit and since all the pubs on the way are on lockdown I'd have nowhere for a pitstop so I'm imprisoned at home by the toilet.

Oh, it's not like I have not got food in the house, and like if I do not go to the supermarket I'd starve or anything. I got beans with oxtail and dodo and cider to wash it down, and I got rice with fish stew and vegetables soup too, and I in fact don't particularly need anything from the supermarket and really just want to go for a walk. But toilet. Prison. Free buda, lol.

I'll tell you what. I'm going to have another cup of coffee then say yes to my Chi Toilet and see if it does not say yes back or if I need a new toilet. We'll call it a test of buda's freedom, lol, and I just might grab a bottle of red wine.

Sorcerer never read this post .

IMAliyu:

I've ran the mental experiment.

Nothing changes really.

Life goes on, man must still survive, find ways to be good, take care of family etc.

Then why choose to do good or do anything at all? After all your existence is a waste, useless and unprofitable.

TheSourcerer:
Sorcerer never read this post .

Yes you did, lol. You just can't believe your own eyes. But I'll let you know about that red because I now really want some red.

TheSourcerer:
or has no power at all.

Or He is just Silently Watching to see if man shall limit and stop himself from proceeding into the depths and depths of decay while still complaining about the decay, and climb right up back to the land surface.

TheSourcerer:
a you a slave to your Chi?

No! The whole point is that my Chi must serve me. But Chis are complex sometimes and might disobey because they often know better and what's right for you.

The art is in knowing when to be the master of the Chi and when to let the Chi be the master.

It's like Max said,

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying you're truthfully doing this? 1Corinthians 9:27

I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

TheSourcerer:
call me main streamed , close minded , but religion again is a con word , in fact a weapon of mass mental destruction and manipulation throughout history , no matter what a dictionary says dear budda

The peoples of this world before you were born have already put their deceit and manipulation in place into EVERYTHING.

From your family to your school to your neighbours and friends workers and co-workers, course of study and education, they are all injected with Lies and Deceits.

I say as soon as a baby is born he is giving injections of Wickedness, Lies and Deceit.

Dtruthspeaker:


Then why choose to do good or do anything at all? After all your existence is a waste, useless and unprofitable.

At the bolded that's your own personal view, isn't it?

Meaning comes from the internal story we tell ourselves.
If you believe you are and act as a waste, useless and unprofitable person. Then you are.

If you choose to be productive with your life by working and taking care of family as an example, and live by the philosophy "do to others what you would like be done to you", then wouldn't the optimal/logical choice be to be good or at least avoid causing more harm and suffering in the world?

IMAliyu:

At the bolded that's your own personal view, isn't it?

No, just the resultant analysis of your answer!

IMAliyu:

Meaning comes from the internal story we tell ourselves.
If you believe you are and act as a waste, useless and unprofitable person. Then you are.

At the bolded, where a hungry man tells himself that he is had a Feast and is Filled, so he does not need food, is this Valid and TRUE?

A person who carries out the his plan of being useless will Guaranteedly Achieve it!

IMAliyu:

If you choose to be productive with your life by working and taking care of family as an example, and live by the philosophy "do to others what you would like be done to you", then wouldn't the optimal/logical choice be to be good or at least avoid causing more harm and suffering in the world?

Nah, you did not know the far reaching implication of the Ops Post which also includes No God, No Law.

No Law, therefore you and everyone else can do whatever you have power to do, therefore the question why do something when you can also do nothing?

And what would be your reason for doing that thing most especially as you know that others can do something in direct opposition of your act. Eg you want to eat but your wife delights in throwing your food away, oya, solve it!

TheSourcerer:
Morality not by choice but how my genetic profile is made me to be , formed me to be . the same way you were formed .
The word created is so transitional, who created you ? Who is gods creator ? Who created god? Who created gods creator ? You see the problem with the word created. Why should I or you be created why not formed

I can't understand this your God obsession, TheSourcerer. Are the things you see and know not sufficient enough for you to bother with?

I mean, I don't know the specific details of your own precise creation but mummy buda and daddy buda created buda one afternoon during an encounter of hot steamy sex, or so mummy buda narrates the story daddy buda being somewhat too forgetful to recall the details though mummy buda says its because his head was full of sexy steam. Nine months later, buda pops out from between mummy buda's legs and thus was buda created.

Was your own creation much different TheSourcerer, like mummy TheSourcerer and daddy TheSourcerer made you in the middle of the night or there was no steam something, because I really have hardly come across anyone created in a very different way?

buda's morality was not by buda's choice as also not was buda's creation. buda mummy and buda daddy educated morality into buda from conception instilling in buda the morals they too had learnt, like eat in moderation, say please and thank you, do not covet what is not your's, do not slap others unless you like being slapped and so on and so so including the ability to learn even morals they did not specifically teach buda like do not kill your fellow human beings and do not commit adultery etc.

But despite all these teachings, it is buda and not the genes of buda that get to decide whether buda eats in moderation or does not say please and thank you or slaps others or kills or commits adultery, and it is buda and not buda's genes that get to reap the reward or punishment of so doings though I must be honest and say I think buda and buda's genes both bear the rewards and the punishment like twofold, each with equally full doses of two lots of both sorta kinda especially where the punishments are concerned, because while the rewards are considerable in their own right, the punishments are like double doses of punishments and enough to make me want to behave morally!

TheSourcerer:
hell yeah to consume and be consumed . and ensure the gene moves up the next generation .

The consumption happens for no reason.

LordReed:


Reason only exists in conscious minds. The world doesn't have a conscious mind therefore cannot have reason.

There's no reason why humans exist despite having conscious minds.

Dtruthspeaker:


Is there no end to your lies and Untrue Accusations?

Even if it was proclaimed by God that Scoffers and Liars would rise up in the last days of this world, must it be you?

Even after putting down all your lies and accusations until the point you had no further reasonable issue, you still go about laying again your former lies and Accusations?

How would it not be right to call you the son of Satan the Father of All Lars?

The you would cry now that I have insulted you meanwhile you have First Insulted Another, Who is Too Big as to stoop so low to defend Himself before His creation, just like you going to explain yourself to your phone or car, what madness that is!

If you guys do not want those who believe in God put a Clear Notification that this is A Party for the gathering of Haters of God, so that we can all stay away and only interested parties should be in attendance!

If you can't point out the lie or deception then kindly Bleep off. I have no time to devote to your inanities.

HellVictorinho:


There's no reason why humans exist despite having conscious minds.

They make a reason in their minds and its sufficient especially if it turns out to be a good reason.

TheSourcerer:
missed you buddy stay safe man.

Back at you buddy.

LordReed:


If your god exists then he is the most immoral being in existence because he doesn't even follow his own rules.

What is your definition of morality?
What is your standard for measuring it?

Your answers to these questions would set the tone for other discussion.

LordReed:


They make a reason in their minds and its sufficient especially if it turns out to be a good reason.

Like going to heaven. Lol!

budaatum:


If that is your religious belief, who am I to argue with you?

I can just hope you see how you've described the effect that religion has on you, and note how it differs to the effect that religion has on say, buda.

I mean, who really needs a dictionary if we can observe ourselves conning ourselves?

This is out of this world.
It's difficult for many folks to see the wisdom in what you wrote here

budaatum:


When Martinez39 and I did this sort of question we ended up with beans, lol. You might want to see how we cooked it.

First, who told you atheists are this or that? Is there some church where atheist go to get there unshifting from that I haven't heard about, or is it not true that atheists come in all forms?

I'm sure you've heard of atheists who do not believe in the existence of Gods for instance, but would you say you are familiar at all with atheists who know for absolute certainty that Gods do not exist except as figments of the imaginations of those who imagine them?

Beans, you see. Lots of different ways of cooking beans and that's even before you start considering the different types of beans that exist and find that not all beans are the same.

Second. How dare you pressume the right to be telling buda what buda can or can not be? Are you the God of buda that you would deign to create buda in the image that pleases TheSourcerer? What kind of atheist does that, as in, make out they are the God and creator of buda?

As for this bit. I do watch movies and just recently watched the Matrix trilogy, and I think I relate with TheSourcerer who is a people whom I think relates with me since he opens these threads and takes the added effort to specifically mention buda, so I don't understand the difference apart from you do relate but perhaps are trying to deceive yourself that you don't

Please know that if the masses are full by buda, yippee! But buda is far too arrogantly humble to assume to be able to fool as many as the masses with the little resources that buda has. Just you open your eyes so you see what is before you will do, thank you very much, TheSource.

Wisdom

Pelecius:

This is out of this world.
It's difficult for many folks to see the wisdom in what you wrote here

But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

TheSourcerer:
Sorcerer never read this post .

I got my red, Source. Still can't eat though so I'll just drunk instead. Cheers.

Pelecius:

What is your definition of morality?
What is your standard for measuring it?

Your answers to these questions would set the tone for other discussion.

Morality is principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

The basis of my Morality is human wellbeing, I measure morality by the effect it has on human wellbeing.

LordReed:


If you can't point out the lie or deception then kindly Bleep off. I have no time to devote to your inanities.

First in saying "If your god exists" even after I have settled this with you previously

Secondly, in Falsely Accusing Him of immorality in saying "then he is the most immoral being in existence" when He has Never done one Wrong ever, which I have also settled and pointed out to you.

Thirdly you Falsely Accuse Him of being immoral and not Following His Laws in saying "he is the most immoral being because he doesn't even follow his own rules" where you could never Truly find any one time that He Did Something Not Consistent with His Reasonable Rights Exactly as you do.

LordReed:


Morality is principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

The basis of my Morality is human wellbeing, I measure morality by the effect it has on human wellbeing.

Morality is that which is Good and Right including The Laws in Furtherance of Good and Right.

It is not a distinction or separation, it is A Clear Position or Stand or House or Ground of Right and Good.

The measurement of Morality is Seen when a Right and Good subject matter is applied to a person, whether in truth he shall embrace it like a Soft teddy bear or whether he shall flee from it in rejection as one which bringeth a red hot knife to the skin!

Dtruthspeaker:


No, just the resultant analysis of your answer!

I'd like to know what I said to lead you to that rationale?

At the bolded, where a hungry man tells himself that he is had a Feast and is Filled, so he does not need food, is this Valid and TRUE?

The subject was on meaning/purpose and not delusions.
The hungry man is clearly delusional here, but you seem to miss my point.
Meaning comes from individuals.
An example to expatiate on what I'm talking about here.
When you or I as regular people look at a piece of wood, we probably just see a piece of wood without much meaning to it except for maybe it could be used as firewood, but to a skilled carpenter he may see more than just a piece of wood, but a chair, desk, or even a wooden sculpture or more.
While the piece of wood here may not have much of any purpose/meaning to us, but to our hypothetical carpenter it's potential is only limited by his imagination.

So, to conclude, ones purpose/meaning for existence is what you choose to make it.
If you believe your purpose is to serve your God and you act it out then so be it.
If you hold as true your existence is completely worthless, and devoid of any meaning not to yourself or anyone, then suicide is always an option.
Some people choose to find their own meaning in their work, responsibilities, family. It's not always the pre-imposed meaning provided to them by their religion of birth.

Nah, you did not know the far reaching implication of the Ops Post which also includes No God, No Law.

No Law, therefore you and everyone else can do whatever you have power to do, therefore the question why do something when you can also do nothing?

You are equating God and law?
God as I understand it is the abstraction for all things outside human capabilities.

Laws on the other hand are a set of rules created and enforced by people, because guess what? When you have a large number of people living together they need to create a bunch of rules for how to behave towards each other and punishment for who ever breaks that agreement, to maintain a sense of fairness and calm, because the only other option is anarchy and constant fighting.

And what would be your reason for doing that thing most especially as you know that others can do something in direct opposition of your act. Eg you want to eat but your wife delights in throwing your food away, oya, solve it!

My reasons are simple, because I choose to, nothing more. Not because of fear, or because I desire reward, but because if freewill exists this is how I choose to exercise mine. Is it that hard to imagine?
Simple you divorce her and save yourself the wahala. You clearly married someone with mental issues. There should had been early warning signs you must have ignored.

Anyway I see you enjoy this, I know you are not the type to change your personal views and beliefs and there is nothing wrong with that. But I can only entertain your enquiries for a few more times before I'm exhausted.