LordReed:


Like I said it is the result of natural processes, there is no reason other than that. Naturals processes as far as we know are not direcyed what they achieve, they simply occur according to the physical laws of nature.

The universe is just another group of ageless indivisible objects that just exist.

budaatum:


I got my red, Source. Still can't eat though so I'll just drunk instead. Cheers.

cheers mate.

budaatum:


He has not qualified for the pool yet because he hasn't even qualified for the mud!

LMFAO!

HellVictorinho:


The consumption happens for no reason.

exactly!
Well its an instinct , even cells want to consume , the Rona too wishes to consume till its consumed , , its great really .

HellVictorinho:


The consumption happens for no reason.

exactly!
Well its an instinct , even a single cell wants to consume , the Rona too wishes to consume till its consumed , , its great really .

budaatum:


You stick knives in the backs of those you love?..

In the Back? Never!

in their faces, shall I cut down ALL who hath pleasure in wickedness, doers of wicked and evil things, Liars, Deceivers and Unrighteous persons!

For The Law is on the Doing of Good and the Killing of All Evil to wit-

He that pursueth evil, pursueth it to his own death

The Soul that Sinneth Shall (and Must) Die!.

the face of the LORD (Law'd) is against those who do evil, to blot out their name from the earth

Dtruthspeaker:


The peoples of this world before you were born have already put their deceit and manipulation in place into EVERYTHING.

From your family to your school to your neighbours and friends workers and co-workers, course of study and education, they are all injected with Lies and Deceits.

I say as soon as a baby is born he is giving injections of Wickedness, Lies and Deceit.

Facts .


Life is a mistake , death rectifys this .

Dtruthspeaker:


Or He is just Silently Watching to see if man shall limit and stop himself from proceeding into the depths and depths of decay while still complaining about the decay, and climb right up back to the land surface.

and man is special because........? It was breathed in the breathe of life?
Haha mice breathes the same air I do.the same you do...

Dtruthspeaker:


Wickedness and lovers of wickedness are generally not welcomed anywhere in any century.

Even wicked people do not truly want wicked people near them!

wicked is a bad word ,
People are wicked when caught
People make bad choices , no bad wicked human.
We define wicked.
Hope you're having a great day?

TheSourcerer:
Facts .
Life is a mistake , death rectifys this .

Nope, Life was Good, Wickedness Destroyed the Goodness

Now we need another Life that is Good, which God has now promised that the Control of it shall Permanently remain in His Hand and No man shall have Any Authority Again, forever and ever!

Dtruthspeaker:


Truth is Always Naturally Provable for it is Always Naturally Evidenced!

Hence there is No Evidence for.2 + 2= 1 therefore, I do not subscribe to it, (same for Square Root i add)

But the Truth of 2+2= 4 for it is Proven by Nature itself!

And Nature has already Proven the Existence of God and even you, in the past, waa stopped when I Prove it to you and you could not reasonably rebut or offer up any valid counter!

you read me wrong smh
2+ 2 = 1 this is your truth , nobody convincing thus guy in what he believes its the truth about the subject


2+2 =4 Fact !
There is in fact no God!

Dtruthspeaker:


Truth is Always Naturally Provable for it is Always Naturally Evidenced!

Hence there is No Evidence for.2 + 2= 1 therefore, I do not subscribe to it, (same for Square Root i add)

But the Truth of 2+2= 4 for it is Proven by Nature itself!

And Nature has already Proven the Existence of God and even you, in the past, waa stopped when I Prove it to you and you could not reasonably rebut or offer up any valid counter!

nature has proven the existence of Gid ?! Wow sir! I am not impressed by that assertion .

TheSourcerer:
wicked is a bad word ,
People are wicked when caught
People make bad choices , no bad wicked human.
We define wicked.
Hope you're having a great day?

I am in business of dealing with bad choices and wickedness.

Following a wicked person to commit an offence is and may be bad choice for the Follower But The Doer of the Offence intended to do the offence.

Let me give you a real case.

A driver used his ogas vehicle for kabu-Kabu (cab) and picked up persons whose destination was a store which they robbed and used him for a getaway vehicle.

Surely the robbers are guilty for robbery while the driver is guilty of "bad choice of Association"!

Dtruthspeaker:


I am in business of dealing with bad choices and wickedness.

Following a wicked person to commit an offence is and may be bad choice for the Follower But The Doer of the Offence intended to do the offence.

Let me give you a real case.

A driver used his ogas vehicle for kabu-Kabu (cab) and picked up persons whose destination was a store which they robbed and used him for a getaway vehicle.

Surely the robbers are guilty for robbery while the driver is guilty of "bad choice of Association"!

they made the money and got away safely? Good they survived. Then there is no bad or good here

TheSourcerer:
nature has proven the existence of Gid ?! Wow sir! I am not impressed by that assertion .

Not a problem, for It is Already Proven Beyond Debate that AS SEEN IN THIS WORLD and not Outside this world for we do not know much of anything outside this world.

But Presently in this world, The Truth which is SEEN is that "Everything created is Always created by Another thing which is different from it eg Ants and their anthills, birds and their nests, man and his toys!

TheSourcerer:
they made the money and got away safely? Good they survived. Then there is no bad or good here

See the kind of evil mind you have? If you were the robbed would you Truly tell them "bye-bye, come again next time or wish them dead?.We already know the True Answer so no bother.

Evil has been done to the robbed here

Now, they were caught and the driver said that he was not a member of the gang so he should not be guilty of Armed robbery.

Now evil has also been done to the driver, who one of the robbers later admitted and confessed that the dr9 was Truly not part of their gang!

TheSourcerer:
you read me wrong smh
2+ 2 = 1 this is your truth , nobody convincing thus guy in what he believes its the truth about the subject

2+2 =4 Fact !
There is in fact no God!

Sorry do not give me what is not mine for 2+2=1 does not belong to me and I made no claim on it.

TheSourcerer:
and man is special because........? It was breathed in the breathe of life?
Haha mice breathes the same air I do.the same you do...

Man is special because His Creator says and treats him special just as you treat your car specially if you want!

budaatum:


Will one be standing at the gate with The Owner of The House judging who shall enter?

Is it not written that one should mind one's own forest instead of anothers mote?

Will you enter dt or will you be gnashing your teeth?

It is because He is Standing by me and I see His Anger therefore I am warning and crying out Wow Is Coming! Wow is Coming!

Any who is not The True Friend of The Lord Shall be found Guilty by Law and shall be Condemned to a horrible horrible dying!

Dtruthspeaker:

Any who is not The True Friend of The Lord Shall be found Guilty by Law and shall be Condemned to a horrible horrible dying!

By [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV]our fruits[/url] shall we be judged, and not by our Lordism.

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budaatum:

And by the way, its a bit too late for you to be crying that you are being attacked personally when almost every contribution of your's to this thread has been personal attacks. If you can't take it consider not first dishing it out.

without a valid attack of a claim or position, you have done nothing.

budaatum:
Sorry Dt, but you really do know nothing about the History of Law,

Yet I have presented it and you are unable to shake it, not to talk of even finding a fault as a result of your testing!

budaatum:

..because no credible teaching will inform you that laws were made by Gods

Ever since I discovered many things Contained in Many a Law books which lawyers ought to have been taught but were concealed, I always go digging to uncover and discover all and what things are hidden from my sight!

budaatum:

despite that being what the masses the laws are imposed on are made to believe. And if you do not know something as simple as that which you ought to have learnt as part of your legal education, then I can't exactly pressume you'd know anything at all, especially since your fruits do not even at all match your words.

Attacking the man rather than the assertion IS NO REASONABLE REBUTTAL! And clearly, you have searched on how to reasonably rebut but alas, you find none!

Rest and let another person try!

Dtruthspeaker:


Watch Out Pelecius, the guy you are talking to is Truly a Snake as The Original LortReed in Game of Thrones, He Is A Satanist and A Hater of God not an atheist.

He is Nairaland's Satan come to devour and swallow up the souls of foolish people who taught they were wise eg CAPSLOCKED, Budaatum, even Muttleylaff at a point and many others who no longer speak on nairaland.

He fled from Religion Section were his work has been destroyed to come over here to catch foolish souls who do not know The Truth and Law of Life and Death but think they do.

You would be well advised to stay of from him for sake of yourself and your soul, if you love yourself.

He is very very knowledgeable and very intelligent,Twisty and Beautifully Winding with words and spirit (evil spirit that is, and if you do not know spirits already, you are dead prey already), as A Snake,

He would swallow you up (as one) if you do not take counsel and stay away from him,.

He is only reasonable when he can beat you, but grounded lying and cheating is always in his hand to use when and where necessary, and he accurately uses it too.

If you do not hold your life, he will eat you up as he has done others here that's what he is here in this Section for!

You already know the popular warning "Fly wey no dey hear word"

I sincerely appreciate your concern and love. To a small extent, I'm a battle scared fellow in this type of worldview war. And my aim is not to win (as that's the work of the Holy Spirit), but to ensure that others are not taken away when there seem not to be an answer for the reason of the hope we have in us (1 Peter 3:15)

budaatum:
...tttb

That's my Favourite Law!

Dtruthspeaker:



Yet I have presented it...!

You've presented nothing to show laws are not man made or that they came from Gods.

You can simply quote yourself if you have.

Pelecius:

I sincerely appreciate your concern and love. To a small extent, I'm a battle scared fellow in this type of worldview war. And my aim is not to win (as that's the work of the Holy Spirit), but to ensure that others are not taken away when there seem not to be an answer for the reason of the hope we have in us (1 Peter 3:15)

He is one of the reasons why I joined Nairaland for I prefer face to face engagement so I did not know about nairaland till I saw my colleagues using it for their cars and other problems, only for me to go round up to Religion Section then I saw his damage and slaughter there.

And I saw people who had earlier resisted him, Fall!

So I jumped in and I live to spoil all his wicked works and prevent him from swallowing up any unwatchful soul!

He is Satan in the flesh. If a person wants to see Satan, all they need is to see him and read his posts!

budaatum:

You've presented nothing to show laws are not man made or that they came from Gods.

You can simply quote yourself if you have.

hahaha you want to change your line of counter by feigning lack of knowledge! you will still not have any valid counter for this is where your attempt at objecting began as an Extract from my Fuller Statement to IMAliyu

Dtruthspeaker:
what you did not know.was that if there is No God, there would be No Laws,

budaatum:

This just shows how little understanding you have. Please tell me, are you not a lawyer? Do they not teach the 'History of Law' as part of the course anymore?

Common wiki will teach you if you can not be bothered to read a book, so there really is no justification for this ignorance!
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Oya, take another route and see if you would still be able to come up with a valid counter!

Dtruthspeaker:


Dtruthspeaker:
what you did not know.was that if there is No God, there would be No Laws,

Good. Now provide evidence for the above assertion of your's please, because, as a lawyer you must know that just stating something does not make it so.

LordReed:


I already answered this by saying:



Every conscious and intelligent being, at least at level of human consciousness, is the determinant of their morality. Communal morality is determined by consensus, directly or indirectly by all that are involved in that community.

I have already laid out succinctly how I arrive at my moral framework and it is consistent with my worldview which includes my lack of belief in a god or gods.

It's still me, I'll discuss with this moniker

I intentionally asked you to answer within your worldview because I know that there's no such concept of good, bad, or human well being in an atheistic/materialism worldview.
I'll start with some generics of such worldview:
1. No purpose, no meaning - nothing matters
2. There's nothing out there other than matter and energy
3. Humans are not different from other animals since they are the current product of evolution from other animals over eons of time

Now, with those above, why would you care about human well being? Would you care if a cat catches and eat a rat? For 'generic 3' to be consistent, why should anyone care if one human (an animal in such worldview) destroys another human (animal)?.

You said every intelligent and conscious being...
Again, in such worldview of nothing except matter and energy, where and how did consciousness emerge?

If every human is a determinant of their morality, then what constitutes morality to human A may not go along with human B.

If we can't settle with individual morality yet, then communal morality may be begging the question.

So brother, your worldview is not just about a disbelief in the existence of God (as against the desperate new definition of "lack of belief". I have explained to many on this forum how even the american atheist website could not be consistent with such definition in even one article), it explains various concepts (with the presupposition of no God anyway), such as THE REASON why there is no reason for us to be here (funny right?), how we came to be, why we should not expect anything after death and so many concepts which it accuses theists of figment of their imagination.
So, it's not just about the existence of God

keppler:

It's still me, I'll discuss with this moniker

I intentionally asked you to answer within your worldview because I know that there's no such concept of good, bad, or human well being in an atheistic/materialism worldview.
I'll start with some generics of such worldview:
1. No purpose, no meaning - nothing matters
2. There's nothing out there other than matter and energy
3. Humans are not different from other animals since they are the current product of evolution from other animals over eons of time

Now, with those above, why would you care about human well being? Would you care if a cat catches and eat a rat? For 'generic 3' to be consistent, why should anyone care if one human (an animal in such worldview) destroys another human (animal)?.

You said every intelligent and conscious being...
Again, in such worldview of nothing except matter and energy, where and how did consciousness emerge?

If every human is a determinant of their morality, then what constitutes morality to human A may not go along with human B.

If we can't settle with individual morality yet, then communal morality may be begging the question.

So brother, your worldview is not just about a disbelief in the existence of God (as against the desperate new definition of "lack of belief". I have explained to many on this forum how even the american atheist website could not be consistent with such definition in even one article), it explains various concepts (with the presupposition of no God anyway), such as THE REASON why there is no reason for us to be here (funny right?), how we came to be, why we should not expect anything after death and so many concepts which it accuses theists of figment of their imagination.
So, it's not just about the existence of God

First off you started with false premises. There is no such thing as Atheist worldview. There are worldviews that accommodate atheism not the other way around. Also you are under a misapprehension to say atheism means there is no purpose or meaning, not all atheists are nihilists. Finally reorient yourself when discussing with me, do not use blanket statements to address me, if you require my view on a matter ask me I will tell you. Do not assume my position on issues simply because I bear the label atheist.

With that said I'll wait for you to restructure your post accordingly or else we can stop discussing. Thanks.

Dtruthspeaker:


He is one of the reasons why I joined Nairaland for I prefer face to face engagement so I did not know about nairaland till I saw my colleagues using it for their cars and other problems, only for me to go round up to Religion Section then I saw his damage and slaughter there.

And I saw people who had earlier resisted him, Fall!

So I jumped in and I live to spoil all his wicked works and prevent him from swallowing up any unwatchful soul!

He is Satan in the flesh. If a person wants to see Satan, all they need is to see him and read his posts!

Like you said, I joined because I see how wannabe atheists misuse the word "science" in contrasting science from religion. And I notice that many Christian folks are not thoroughly informed in such war of worldviews, hence they resort to ill informed arguments. This in turn raises the suspicion that the atheists were right all along when they are actually wrong in many cases and their use of logical fallacies and intentional deception, with few folks (such as Grandmeister, Image, Papparseventy. etc) to expose such tactics.

Keep up the good fight as you put 2 Cor 10: 4 in to action.
God be with you

LordReed:


First off you started with false premises. There is no such thing as Atheist worldview. There are worldviews that accommodate atheism not the other way around. Also you are under a misapprehension to say atheism means there is no purpose or meaning, not all atheists are nihilists. Finally reorient yourself when discussing with me, do not use blanket statements to address me, if you require my view on a matter ask me I will tell you. Do not assume my position on issues simply because I bear the label atheist.

With that said I'll wait for you to restructure your post accordingly or else we can stop discussing. Thanks.

Alright! I understand the issues of onus. Anyway, what are your belief system? Since I called those concepts generics, but it seems their maybe orthodox and unorthodox version of atheism

keppler:

It's still me, I'll discuss with this moniker

I intentionally asked you to answer within your worldview because I know that there's no such concept of good, bad, or human well being in an atheistic/materialism worldview.

Sorry, but I can't myself see how you can know this especially because its untrue.

I'm sure atheists know that stealing is not good since they'd obviously resent being stolen from or be thrown in jail if they steal, and there are atheist doctors who specifically earn a living from selling human well being.

Are you not imposing your own worldview here keppler then claiming it belongs to someone else, like an atheist for instance?