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Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by valentineuwakwe(m): 1:26am On Mar 28, 2021 |
yes, blood for blood, hence your Yahweh sent his son to die for mankind in atonement for our sins! |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:23am On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Have you abandoned your position? "...but for me I am okay with the golden rule and the teachings of christ. I don't think I need the laws of Moses to serve God." For I wanted to show you based on whatever Rule or Teaching you may raise which you erroneously attach to Christ, its equivalent Pronouncemet of Law. So it needs be cleared that you have a abandoned your ground of Christ Teachings being Different from The Law, then I can proceed to answer the question up above which you posed. So have you abandoned your "but for me I am okay with the golden rule and the teachings of christ. I don't think I need the laws of Moses to serve God." position? |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 10:41am On Mar 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:What I am saying is: Assuming there was no law of Moses, the teachings of christ are enough to please God. So whatever is important in the law has been taught by christ. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 1:39pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:I don't know what you want me to abandon. I have not abandoned anything. My point is: I am okay with the teachings of christ and I don't need the laws of Moses. I don't even care if there is a law of Moses. I am okay with just the teachings of christ. The laws of Moses do not matter to me whether it aligns with that of christ or not. Do you get it now? |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:44pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Do not be offended, I do understand and I respect the fact every person has a right to walk in a that seemeth good in their own eye, even if such a way is erroneous, but hopefully, they discover error before it is too late! For as A Last Word All The Teachings of Are The Explanations of The Application and the Execution of The Law Given to Moses by God Himself, Moses did not Make The Law! So I back off now! 1 Like |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 3:22pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:There is nothing so special or different about the laws of Moses. They are very much like ancient middle eastern laws. Ancient middle Eastern laws were both moral and barbaric, some more than others. The sumerians who existed way before the Moses character already had moral laws forbidding killing, stealing, and the likes. God's inspiration was available to every culture not just to Moses. Besides, in my opinion the laws of Moses that requires stoning people who don't keep sabbath or burning the promiscuous daughters of Levite Priests are outdated and cannot come from thesame God of Jesus. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 4:09pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: From all indication...The Torah is the most interesting and beautiful master peice i have come accross. If you really understand the layers of meaning. You will easily know jesus is an idol..and immidiately flee from him.. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:12pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Lies! No Nation on Earth had Any Righteous or Right-Full and Good-Full law NEARLY Comparable to the Laws God Gave Moses and Israel. No, not one! Not Before, Not After! 1 Like |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 4:12pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: My friend Gods laws are universal...There is only one God. You should be grateful the jews wrote it down. He gave all mankind. It is what we igbos call "omenani"... |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 4:13pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
sonmvayina:So that is what you have now? subjective arguements? The Torah is from God simply because it's the most beautiful master piece you've come across? Why don't you realize that for many the new testament books are the most interesting and beautiful? For Others the Quran is the greatest and no one can write a book like it and for many it's the Hindu scriptures that revers several gods? 1 Like |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 4:17pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Now we are getting somewhere....exactely why the Romans invented the jesus character. Because they felt the God of the jews cant be the real God... Google "Marcion". |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 4:22pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: But none comes close....the Hindu might be the second because the indians understands that life is a journey..and knows what God is and is not. The battle/wars/jihad is within.. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 4:22pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Are you kidding me? so are you saying laws such as do not kill, steal, commit adultery, came from the Moses character and non before the creation of this character? you need to expand your view of other cultures and history. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 4:23pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
sonmvayina:You are arguing subjectively, can't you see that? |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 4:24pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
sonmvayina:I know about Marcion, no need to Google him, and Marcion was partly right not totally. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 4:29pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Nah....not at all, not when every woke human holds similar view.
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Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 4:31pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
sonmvayina:Can you give me proof the Torah is special? |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by haddeylium(m): 5:04pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Hashabiah: I understand you completely. If you want to have this conversation further. You have to have right attitude. Striking out my comment is not necessary ' Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also' is your basis for belief in Trinity? Have you ever compared that verse to this before? John 12:45- and whoever sees me sees also the One who sent me. Do you understand? My Dad mosttimes tells his business associates that if they have seen his son(Me), they've seen him. That doesn't mean My father and I form a mashed body. Jesus too faithfully represented his Father, spoke the Father’s words, and did the Father’s works. (Joh 14:10, 11; compare Joh 12:28, 44-49). he reflected his Father’s qualities and personality to the extent that he could rightly say 'Whoever sees my sees also the Father(that sent me) |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:21pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Why are you seeking to make trouble? The Laws of God where Already in Force in the whole earth long before before He Even Spelt it out and Gave Moses, Abraham, Laban, Joseph, Egypt Prove The Truth of It! Thus, every nation knew not to steal, kill, take another man's woman etc and many of His Laws Already But NONE HAD THE THE FULLNESS OF RIGHT AND GOOD SPELT OUT AND HONOURED IN their laws, Not One! Only Isreal! 1 Like |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 5:26pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:And how do you know the bolded? what is your proof for that? |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 5:34pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Real history...study.. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 5:35pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: What a balanced diet is to our physical bodies is what the Torah is to our spiritual lives...the proof is in the eating.. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 5:56pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: I really dont have any problem with you wanting to follow whoever you choose to follow. But what i am trying to lay before you is the information and facts and history so you can at least make an informed decision. I still maintain that there was never any need for the jesus character. It is God who created us like this. He did not make any mistake to warrant him sending "his son" as a sin sacrifice to undo his fork up..That is just plain stupiid. He created us with the ability and capacity to make choices. He knows we can make the wrong ones. He just gave us laws to make good ones so that we will all live in peace within ourselves and with our neigbour. End of it all, when we die, our spirit returns to God and our body back to the earth.. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:15pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: I am a Lawyer and to Find The Most Goodest, The Most Right-Fullest, The Most Balancest and Equalest Law and The Most Flawless and Faultless Law in All the earth was a Personal Mission I undertook for myself. For as we were taught and saw their (not mine anymore) man made law called Constitution was always defective and ineffective and insufficient and never ever did enough just is and right (if anything it was Wrong and Insight) Thus, Lawyers are Charged to Find or Commissioned to create A Good and Perfect and Flawless Law which Guarantees Natural Just is, Equity, and Equality and Balance with No Party reasonably left out to seek remedy because Just is was not Fully Done! And in line with my commission as a Lawyer, I find No Better Body of Laws which are as Righteous as The One God Gave Isreal. THERE IS NONE! No, not one anywhere on the earth, whether in the past nor the future. Only God's Laws are the Most Right-Full and Balanced and Fair and Just in all the earth! |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 6:27pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae:
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Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 6:39pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
sonmvayina:There was a need for the jesus character. The Jesus character taught the jews the most important tenets of the law. Stoning people for not keeping sabbath makes no meaning in today's world or burning the promiscuous daughter of a priest alive is a barbaric law. If we follow Jesus, we can just live by his moral teachings, and we do not need the law and the system it was meant to govern. Your other points about sin sacrifice are not the major reasons jesus himself gave for coming into the world. This is the reason the Jesus character himself gave: And even the son of man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many. Mark 10v45. The crowd hailed Jesus as King when he rode on a donkey in Jerusalem. The Jewish leaders became scared that if it continued that way and the Romans hear about these things, the Romans would come into their land to destroy so many in the nation ( who have now become disciples of Jesus). It was therefore fitting that Jesus alone ( one man) should die than for this mass destruction in the city in the search for those who proclaimed Jesus as new King of the Jews. Jesus was delivered to the Romans, and he gladly became a Ransom to the Romans in order to spare his followers who continued with his message. The message we hear today all around the world even though a lot has probably been corrupted down the centuries. And he said to them, I have told you I am he. If you seek me, let these ones go their way. John 18v8 If you study the gospels well, you would see that Jesus was also scared for his disciples and beckoned on them several times to pray so that they too would not fall into temptation. He prayed to God to preserve them. He was quick to present himself to the Roman guards who came to arrest him, saying: I am he, let these men go. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 6:50pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
[quote author=sonmvayina post=100288405][/quote] I could also quote passages from christian bible if I want. Does it prove anything? |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 6:54pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:You are just obsessed with Law. All that we need to make laws in our individual societies are the teachings of Jesus such as the Golden Rule, forgiveness, etc. We don't need 613 laid out laws. Humans are different across different cultures, we just need to be guided by the teachings of Jesus, then each society can write out their laws by those basic principles Jesus, Moses, our African traditions and the likes of Confucius taught. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by Jman24(m): 8:33pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Stop getting played by different philosophers in the good book As old as human existed, there are people who support jungle justice and there are those who don't(even in same area). But the constant there is "justice" It still exists till today. So when the biblical Jesus frowns at jungle justice, it isn't a new thing. Hope you got that Africans! 1 Like |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by GeneralDae: 8:40pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Jman24:And how does this tally with my response to the post I was responding to and where did I say frowning at Jungle justice is a new thing? I don't get the point you are making. |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by Jman24(m): 8:45pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: I responded because you are making a big deal of a biblical character common to some people as old as the world and unaccounted for 1 Like |
Re: Can A Human Sacrifice Atone For Sins? by sonmvayina(m): 8:48pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Seems you are finding it difficult to differentiate fiction from none fiction.... |
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