joshmee4real:
I have jz 2 questions.
1. You walk into a bar to get some alcohol, and you meet your Pastor there, nd he tells you, he's jz taking two/three bottles and not to get drunk. How will u feel about him?
2. Despite the wide range of consumption of alcohol in the Society,
Have you seen a church that uses alcohol (No matter how little) as Holy Communion?.
Thanks

Krismas:
Yes. There is South-African Church that uses Alcohol in large quantity in their services. Did u know that Alcohol was poured as offering to God daily on the alter in the Jerusalem temple? Nothing abominable was ever allowed on that alter. Alcohol is not sinful, Holy-Holy peeps only make it so.

Josbreed:


So since the message was not to the Church, so the Church should not adopt or follow any message there abi?

Built2last:
Excess of it. Paul told Timothy to take a little wine to cleanse stomach when he was sick

There are sicknesses or stomach issues you will have today doctors will recommend you take half cup of wine on empty stomach once in a while

The general contours of biblical teaching are that wine is a blessing from the Lord, something to be enjoyed. But like any good gift from God, it can be abused: in this case, abuse involves addiction and drunkenness. But whenever we condemn others who are able to enjoy God’s good gifts in moderation as though they were abusers, we misrepresent biblical Christianity.

Electrochemistry:
While moderation may not be a sin as it even reduces inhibitions at low rate(medically), a lot of people have been turned to drunks and rendered useless from starting with just some sips of it. At this high consumption rate it can cause cancer to our vital internal organs: liver, kidney, gullet and stomach. Therefore it's better to avoid spirits in all its forms so we won't get addicted to it. The Bible says a wise man foresees evil and hides himself but a fool goes instead and he's punished. Prov. 22:3

cares22:



Is there anything worth debating over consumption of alcohol If you are charged with DUI in Australia, Canada, USA, UK or any part Europe you know risk a jail term or loss of your driver's license..... So if constitution of countries on earth could frown at the act how much more God almighty....

After you might have confirmed God's stand on alcohol and you feel it is favourable to your disposition, then you sired your conscience with hot iron and dive into wantonness head first

Little wonder the choice of your moniker. Illicit

Lastly, You are not incharge of my opinion on public forum like this, please be guided.

Krismas:
For ur mind now u be scholar abi? DUI test is for intoxication, not drinking. By the time alcohol registers on ur breath then u are drunk. This is what they charge u for, DRUNK DRIVING. Not drinking

Spectaclesawe25:



So you get gullet abi?
Nawaooo Electrochemistry indeed. U need review ur modern biology again.

Electrochemistry:
Gullet and Stomach taken together. Don't be inclined to argument; it doesn't pay!

Spectaclesawe25:


Either taken together or separately, don't be negative to correction... Nothing like gullet in humans, stomach and duodenum sounds more intelligent.
Drop it pls!

cares22:


Why confusing and contradicting yourself at the same time? Can you be drunk without drinking Btw, what exactly are you trying to proof with your mention?

DUI simply means; Driving Under Influence of (any) substances which are capable of interfering with your sense of judgement on the road which may consequently lead fatalities..... DUI It is not about alcohol intoxication alone.

My point is, it is hypocritical of anyone to be seeking for a week point in the word of God to justify his craving for alcoholism... The truth is, once you are an adult, it is your choice to drink or not to drink hence no need for making God an accomplice....

I come in peace and in truth. Shalom!

Krismas:
Dear sir u are truthfully mistaking. 1. Drinking is different from drunkenness. One can drink too much water, Which is called DROWNING, an event separate from DRINKING water to quench taste. 2. DUI test does not seek to prevent DRINKING altogether, but DRINKING BEYOND A DEFINED THRESHOLD. i suggest u read more about it. 3. Issue is, there is no Bible verse that condemn drinking alcohol, in spite of mainline Christian believe on the matter! Rather the Bible supports it. Jesus drank VINEGAR on the cross. Its ALCOHOLIC drink from fermented milk. Also, In the book of Leviticus the recommended quantity of strong drink to be offered to God on the alter in Jerusalem is stated. And priest live off the remainders of all offerings. What u can offer God, u can eat! If u want, let us go thru the Bible together carefully on alcohol matter. Thanks

cares22:



I know you deliberately pretend as if you do not understand my point but you want to force your opinion on me to agree with you that God, through some portions of the Bible legalises consumption of alcohol for all and sundry and that, priest of the old also used alcohol in service unto the Lord and live with the rest...... By so doing, it will not be a sin for us Christians now adays to also use strong drink... and blah!.... blah!!..... blah!!!

I was at no point in contention with your comfortable ground and your inverted godly certificate for alcoholism.... My own point is, you do not need to go through that stress of obtaining heavenly certificate before you can buy and drink yourself to stupor once you are of age.

It is a thing of choice! I do not need to follow you to anywhere in the Bible because, I never lost touch with Hebrews 6:1 neither do I forget my Titus 2:11-12 and that it is wrong for me as a believer to use the liberty I gained through redemption as a license unto unrighteousness.

If I want to drink alcohol, I will never back it up with the word of God because, it is wrong to do so!

If wisdom did not teach us Proverbs 20:1then, we are out of all men most miserable!

TGM2015:


God is not against anyone taking alcohol but He is against taking of alcohol by individual, group of people, tribe, ethnics, state and country that He has chosen or they willingly choose to dedicated their lives to Him and His services.

In all tribe of Israel Levites were not allowed or were commanded by God never to take strong (alcoholic) drink. Even before the conception of Samson his mother was forbidden to take alcohol until she delivered because the child will be dedicated to God.

The real question is should a Christian or someone who claimed to be a Christian takes alcohol?

Christians were described as royal priesthood, those who has been called out of darkness unto His marvellous light. They are people who have choice to give (dedicate) their life to God through Jesus their Lord and Saviour.

From the definition, it is glaring that a Christian is directly forbidden by God to take alcohol.

olaodun:
On the Issue of Alcohol. the Bible forbids it totally for Xtians . Book of Proverbs has many chapters condemning and the Bible made us to know that our body is the temple of Holy Ghost, Also show me a man that takes drinks in moderation he cannot be a devoted Xtian he will just be a nominal xtan and alcohol has other twin sisters such as fornication, adultery and smoking It is very safe and good to totally avoid it , has no benefit and it kills cells in the system. Not food or water now dont waste money on alcohol

Krismas:
U are very wrong sir. Priests were only instructed not to drink BEFORE MINISTRATION because of Aaron's sons who under the influence of alcohol offered strange fire, and suffered fatalities as result. Priests drink freely when they are not conducting service. No rule said Levites should not drink. Infact DRUNKENNESS has no PUNISHMENT OR CONSEQUENCES under the law. Nazarenes under vow, also do not cut or shave or comb their hair, till the vow elapses or is cutting the hair a sin as well? in Numbers 28:7 the Bible tells us 1/4 Hin of OGOGORO was offered to God both morning and evening in the Jerusalem temple. Thats about 1.5 Litres of Ogogoro. So, in a day God is to be given 3.0 Litres of Ogogoro, poured on His Alter, a sacrifice pleasing to God. I dont know where u people got the lie that drinking alcohol is sin?