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Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by XXXXTENTACION: 7:01pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:you can call me satan if you wish. 1 Like |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:02pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: of course you can not be happy when you are under the Curse of "he that confirmeth not all the words of This Law to do them. Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. Cursed are you and Cursed shall you be! |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 7:11pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Hashabiah:Actually, if there were no God there might still be atheists. Atheism is a response to the belief in God or claims about God and not a response to the existence of God. There are atheists because there are people who believe in God and talk about said God. PS: I believe in God but I had to drop this because your reasoning is flawed. |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Hashabiah: 7:16pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
[s] hiddendude:[/s] Atheist steal from God. The moral standards they claim to have originate from God. Or do atheist have a moral standard by which they operate on? |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 7:21pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
XXXXTENTACION:This is a Bifurcation fallacy. God existing and creating threads to prove so are not mutually exclusive. Using your logic, it could also be argued that if God didn't exist, you wouldn't have to say it, we'd all just realize it. 1 Like |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 7:29pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Hashabiah:While I agree that there is an objective standard for morality, there are other moral theories that do not beg the existence of God. 1. The Categorical Imperatives put forth by the philosopher Immanuel Kant, precludes God as a dictator of morals. It is derived from various formulations that are quite intuitive. The most popular of the four formulations that make up the categorical imperatives are the principle of Universalizability and the formulation on humanity. 2. Utilitarianism also precludes God. It grounds morals on the desire for happiness and the achievement of the ultimate good. 3. Contractarianism is a theory that claims that morality doesn't exist in nature but it is borne out of the need to survive in a harsh world. Moral codes exist according to the specific needs of an era according to this theory. |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Hashabiah: 7:56pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude:Except you are in denial, there is an objective standard for morality. And if there is no objective standard, then how can we be sure that what we are doing in society is right? |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:01pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Mr. Opposites, Mr. Hot-Cold (or is it Cold-Hot?) Mr. Two-Mouth and Mr. ContradictionJunkie. People, do you not see this his peculiar magic show of being Accursed to Speak Opposites? Can the Author who made that presentation 1)"Not Truly know God" 2) present his knowledge of God 3) have "unbelief" 4)"belief in the person of God"? As produced and directed by Mr. Opposites, kobojunkie? Does this information make or have any good sense? Cc:BecaciaBarbie: |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:07pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Hashabiah: And this is where All Atheists fall for it is God Who Has the Best, Highest and Unbeatable Standard of Morality! In Morality, God is the World Champion! 2 Likes |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Hashabiah: 8:29pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:True talk. 1 Like |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:09pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Hashabiah: Thank you! |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by LordReed(m): 9:50pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
kingxsamz: LoL, another person looking for attention from atheists. |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 9:51pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Hashabiah:I did point out that I believe in an objective moral standard. Immanuel Kant believed same but according to him, morals take root in intellect. To know what is moral according to him, is to envision what it would be like for an action to be universalized and if it produces a conceptual contradiction, then it isn't moral. He states this formally as: "Act only according to that maxim by which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction" Take stealing as an example. If one has the urge to steal, they should first consider the maxim of stealing (i.e the rule behind the concept of stealing or what stealing assumes or presupposes). Stealing is a concept that presupposes that there is such a thing as a private or personal property and if one intends to make a thing their own by illegally obtaining it, then they're universalizing stealing (saying there is no such thing as private property) and if there cannot be private property, there cannot be such a thing as stealing because it begs the idea of private property to be a thing. Hence, stealing is self-contradictory and cannot be moral. This way Kant said, we'd realize moral truths without God. The objective moral standard in this case, is logic or intellect. Ps: Kant actually believed in God. 2 Likes |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by LordReed(m): 9:53pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Hashabiah: Do you like being assaulted or raped or having your food stolen? |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by LordReed(m): 9:54pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: You are an interesting theist. May I ask, what convinces you that a god or gods exists? |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 10:04pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
LordReed:Experience! But I do not use my experience in arguments because the other party has no way of verifying whether or not my experience is true. 1 Like |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:29pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: Watch Out for that guy, he is A Satanist and Satan's best recruiter on nairaland. He Hates God with an insane and blind hatred, the way Satan must. Even in the presence of Irrefutable Good Reason, he will not accept it but he intends to take you by the same "good" reason. So reasoning with him is only meant to swallow you up as An Anaconda to an Antelope! Many of the Antichrists, Haters of God and Satanist that you see here today were former "Christians" who once contended with him and we're swallowed whole by him. He is very well informed, intelligent and cunning. Guard your soul! |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 10:34pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: This is just ad hominem! Everyone that isn't philosophically aligned with your beliefs is diabolical? Dude, this is the era of information, no more backwards thinking. I've debated atheists since God knows when, yet I haven't become one myself. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by kingxsamz(m): 10:38pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:49pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: I am An Authority and Teacher of "That which makes A Person Fall" called (Fall,acy which is in similitude to "legitim,acy, Supreme,acy and all the "acy" things). And Natural Truth, like the ground under your feet does not make a person Fall. I am just giving you a warning about who you are engaging with and how soul damning his works are which are plainly recorded here in nairaland. After that, what you do, is up to you, but I STAND WITNESS TO SAY THAT YOU WERE WARNED! |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by truespeak: 10:51pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: This reaction of yours to Dtruthspeaker's statement, I find very Interesting! For the 1st time I see you display an emotional response quite in variation from all your responses I have noticed so far! Further, I would have thought seeing from your posts an appearance of reasonability, that your reasonable response would have been to enquire into the reason for Dtruthspeaker's statement but you rather concluded hastily and responded emotionally as though you were the one on trial! Very Interesting indeed! |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 10:56pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
truespeak:Errm, it actually is an ad hominem and how else am I meant to respond? My response is very valid given his claims. |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by LordReed(m): 10:56pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: That's fair. |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 11:01pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: A fallacy is simply a flaw in reasoning. It undermines an argument. Where you got your own definition of a fallacy is simply beyond me. And Natural Truth, like the ground under your feet does not make a person Fall. Okay ![]() I am just giving you a warning about who you are engaging with and how soul damning his works are which are plainly recorded here in nairaland. This is a fallacy known as "poisoning the well" or a smear tactic. You want me to feel a particular way about a person without giving me the opportunity to relate with such a person to know if I'd like them. |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:09pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: What do flaws do? When a bridge or building or car or anything is flawed, what happens to them? Aside! hiddendude: Give you a particular feeling? Do Warnings not elicit certain feelings? Do what seemeth good to you! |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 11:13pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Ok |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by truespeak: 11:14pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: Hmmm! Very Very Interesting! Your initial character as displayed by you at the first is quite different from what I see here! Also it was and it is still hasty to conclude it was ad hominem without first conducting an enquiry into the reason for the statement for that is what any reasonable unbiased fellow would do! Your explosion to the comment has betrayed you which I find Very Very Interesting! |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 11:20pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
truespeak: Do you know what an ad hominem is? It is an attack on a person's character with the aim of undermining their arguments or garnering supporters. Even if there is a reason for the statement, it is still an ad hominem. And the reason for the statement does not matter because a person's identity or personality has no bearing on the arguments they make. |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by truespeak: 11:35pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: Again, as I said your response is unusual! A right reasonable person always enquires as to the reason for a thing before coming to a conclusion on a thing! You did not but a rather defending your unusual response which is another unusuality! |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 11:39pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
truespeak:Just shut up! Shut the f*ck up because I'm tired explaining a very basic thing to you. Even if there is a reason he made such a statement, it is still an ad hominem fallacy because he attempts to use that reason to get me to think less of the other guy. 1 Like |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by truespeak: 11:42pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
hiddendude: [img]https://media./images/c140420a1d306e8985d809ba56087e00/tenor.gif[/img] Now your true self shows! Told you I knew who you were! 1 Like |
Re: God Exists- This Is Why Atheists Keep Attacking & Going Against Christians. by hiddendude: 11:45pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
truespeak:Of course, the usual assumption that a person's bad mood is their true self like people shouldn't get angry at someone who's unreasonable. 1 Like |
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