Jodera:
You can't have world class players and still be termed "underdogs " Granted, you might not be termed favorite to win the UCL but you're definitely not underdogs.

Even PSG or 3-4 seasons ago aren't underdogs. Even man city of 2012/13 wasn't underdog wen they finished 3rd in the group. Do you know what "underdog" means?

Na my vex be that, using terms you know nothing of.

Leicester is an underdog, Porto is an underdog
Ajax is an underdog.

hensben:
Why then are you guys now hailing pep for it. When will pep take over a task job.

Pep has done nothing too....

Jodera:
money with the budget of a country can solve that. That's the reason man city are top now and mancini won with man city with such budget. Any top coach can do what mou did. If it was even klopp league win at Dortmund I for agree.


When you have nobody competing with you in the league, a top coach can always go far in champions league. Anytime a league is competitive, mou can never win the champions league. Reason he never reached a final in England in UCL. The only time he won a European cup in England, he has to drop out of top 4

It happens. Man city was dominating the league with guardiola still getting knocked out with Monaco and Lyons of the world. But nobody with his right thinking mind will always call man city underdogs. Do you even know what underdog means?

So it's only man u there's toxicity?
With good striker like lukaku, mkhitaryan, pogba et al. Yet na 6th and 8th he can get with those squads with his 2 out of 3 seasons there.

Ogbeni... My stance is Mourinho was a top coach and he won trophies. Fine

But don't overplay his achievement like say na small clubs him use win all those trophies (aside Porto at least)

Thank God you use aside Porto. When will pep do his porto magic. Why is he running from jobs with strict policy and limited budget or from struggling teams.

Jodera:
As in, the way dey downgrade that Madrid ehn... Someone will think Mou took over Villarreal

Can you imagine, saying he took over a difficult job at real Madrid

Chia!!!

hensben:
Why then are you guys now hailing pep for it. When will pep take over a task job.

Pep is hailed same way mourinho was hailed then. Cos they're winning trophies

Nobody claimed pep took over a difficult job. And nobody should say same for mourinho too wen we know it's not true

Question: "Why cant Mourinho make ordinaary top 4 this season?"
Mouronho fan boy: "He won UCL in 2004"

Ok Cool.

hensben:
Thank God you use aside Porto. When will pep do his porto magic. Why is he running from jobs with strict policy and limited budget or from struggling teams.

Let mou do the Porto magic again na

Did you know Nottingham forest have a champions league ?

What will we say about the coach?

hensben:
Thank God you use aside Porto. When will pep do his porto magic. Why is he running from jobs with strict policy and limited budget or from struggling teams.

What budget did pep has at barca 2008/2009 season? Especially seeing this same Barcelona finished 4th the previous season

Lana1:
Question: "Why cant Mourinho make ordinaary top 4 this season?"
Mouronho fan boy: "He won UCL in 2004"

Ok Cool.

Expert17:


Pep has done nothing too....

Why is pep running from a task job. He said chelsea needed 10 players before he can win epl but Conte won it with moses and Alonso. He refused Man U job due to strict policy and limited budget. When will he take a task job like mou and do something special with them. Any coach can win epl witn unlimited budget. Raumdeuter Dey shout 100 points like say same mou nor win with 100 points with Real Madrid. I don’t like mou tactics but in terms of achievement give it to the man, he is above pep hands down. Remove Bayern liga from pep trophy cabinet cos any manager can win that league with Bayern.

hensben:
getting knocked out by lyon in r16 in 6 seasons is what?

Oga Madrid is never an under dog.

You can describe team from Norway, Switzerland, Romania and Co as under dog in ucl competition.

Not getting past round 16 for some time doesn't make you an under dog.

Jodera:
What budget did pep has at barca 2008/2009 season? Especially seeing this same Barcelona finished 4th the previous season

Barca won ucl in 2006, they had the players then it was just indiscipline from few players that resulted to the sack of rijkaard.

KingAlabi:


Na my vex be that, using terms you know nothing of.

Leicester is an underdog, Porto is an underdog
Ajax is an underdog.

As in eh...
We all know Leicester was underdog winning the league in 2016.
If arsenal had won that league in 2016, how will someone claim arsenal was underdog that season just because they last won the league over 10yrs oo.

Na only mou agenda must agend

Jodera:
What budget did pep has at barca 2008/2009 season? Especially seeing this same Barcelona finished 4th the previous season

When Pep came he signed quality players like ibra and then David villa. The personnel were always there for Barca, Pep did nothing extraordinary.

KingAlabi:


Let mou do the Porto magic again na

Did you know Nottingham forest have a champions league ?

What will we say about the coach?

Mou did it with two clubs. When will pep do his, at least once.

Jodera:
As in eh...
We all know Leicester was underdog winning the league in 2016.
If arsenal had won that league in 2016, how will someone claim arsenal was underdog that season just because they last won the league over 10yrs oo.

Na only mou agenda must agend

When 10 strong/big teams compete for a trophy....

And the weakest of the 10 ( remember 10 strong team's), wins the trophy....can we call this underdog?

Jodera:
Pep is hailed same way mourinho was hailed then. Cos they're winning trophies

Nobody claimed pep took over a difficult job. And nobody should say same for mourinho too wen we know it's not true

It is true that mou did something extraordinary with teams like inter Milan and Porto. In terms of achievement mou>>pep due to the way the former achieved his.

hensben:
Mou did it with two clubs. When will pep do his, at least once.

Are you say inter is an underdog too?

hensben:
Barca won ucl in 2006, they had the players then it was just indiscipline from few players that resulted to the sack of rijkaard.

okayy... So guardiola that won ucl in 2009 didn't have a difficult job cos of the UCL they won in 2006.

But mourinho that won league in 2012 took a difficult job from same team that won it 2008.

Nice one, nice nice one

hensben:
It is true that mou did something extraordinary with teams like inter Milan and Porto. In terms of achievement mou>>pep due to the way the former achieved his.

Who has won UCL with Porto before or after Mourinho?

NOBODY

Who has won treble with Inter Milan before or after Mourinho?

NOBODY

Jodera:
You can't have world class players and still be termed "underdogs " Granted, you might not be termed favorite to win the UCL but you're definitely not underdogs.

Even PSG or 3-4 seasons ago aren't underdogs. Even man city of 2012/13 wasn't underdog wen they finished 3rd in the group. Do you know what "underdog" means?

Its not about world class players but the form of the team in the tournament.

Jodera:
okayy... So guardiola that won ucl in 2009 didn't have a difficult job cos of the UCL they won in 2006.

But mourinho that won league in 2012 took a difficult job from same team that won it 2008.

Nice one, nice nice one

Off your mic na

obonujoker:
No one in the right senses will compare Ole to Mou. Mou that even schooled Sir Alex..

I believe what people are comparing is their time at Manchester United

Why didn't Mourinho remain in the Premier League, It is not an easy thing to maintain success at the top level, only a few coach can achieve that which Ferguson is one of them. Ranieri, Rjikaard, Mourinho, Pochettino have all failed to build on their success in clubs they have managed hence leading to them being sack

Expert17:


When 10 strong/big teams compete for a trophy....

And the weakest of the 10 ( remember 10 strong team's), wins the trophy....can we call this underdog?

not necessarily.
Chelsea before this season started in wasn't favorite to win the UCL. But they're definitely not underdogs.

If basaksehir win the UCL, then that's underdog winning it. Hope you get the point

Expert17:


Who has won UCL with Porto before or after Mourinho?

NOBODY

Who has won treble with Inter Milan before or after Mourinho?

NOBODY

Oga Porto has won the champions league before, don't shoot your sef in the foot

Jodera:
not necessarily.
Chelsea before this season started in wasn't favorite to win the UCL. But they're definitely not underdogs.

If basaksehir win the UCL, then that's underdog winning it. Hope you get the point

Break it down more, e hard to understand.

Jodera:
You can't have world class players and still be termed "underdogs " Granted, you might not be termed favorite to win the UCL but you're definitely not underdogs.

Even PSG or 3-4 seasons ago aren't underdogs. Even man city of 2012/13 wasn't underdog wen they finished 3rd in the group. Do you know what "underdog" means?

I know what underdog means, and I understand what you're saying. I'm not at all talking about whether Madrid were underdogs or not. I just spoke on the 'as a club/as a team' statement.

hensben:
It is true that mou did something extraordinary with teams like inter Milan and Porto. In terms of achievement mou>>pep due to the way the former achieved his.

Nobody is comparing mou and guardiola. If you say Mou is greater than guardiola, that's another argument entirely.

The koko on ground is that Mou didn't take difficult jobs at Chelsea, inter and Madrid you lots are painting for us

Jodera:
okayy... So guardiola that won ucl in 2009 didn't have a difficult job cos of the UCL they won in 2006.

But mourinho that won league in 2012 took a difficult job from same team that won it 2008.

Nice one, nice nice one

You can not confuse me with your twist and turn ok.
Your first paragraph, 80 percent of those players that won it in 2006 were still present when pep took over.

Your second paragraph, no one was talking about Real Madrid form in the league but in ucl. They were underperforming in ucl for 6 seasons in a role before mou. Mou was signed to challenge Barcelona and also to improve their ucl campaign.

Jodera:
not necessarily.
Chelsea before this season started in wasn't favorite to win the UCL. But they're definitely not underdogs.

If basaksehir win the UCL, then that's underdog winning it. Hope you get the point

Why u come use Chelsea as example

KingAlabi:

Are you say inter is an underdog too?

In ucl they were then.

BlueMann:


I know what underdog means, and I understand what you're saying. I'm not at all talking about whether Madrid were underdogs or not. I just spoke on the 'as a club/as a team' statement.

okayy... I misunderstood you then. I thought you were saying Madrid was underdogs then.

Cheers bro