War is not the way

NaijirianKing:
Not sure what these politicians have to do with Kwara, it appears that they are Eastern politicians merely dressed as Northerners, not truly Northerners. If I'm correct, those are Senators wearing Northern garb. Please explain the meaning.

The Ilorin Emirate is a traditional state based in the city of Ilorin in Kwara State, Nigeria. It is considered by some to be one of the Banza Bakwai - or a copy of the legitimate Hausa Kingdoms.

But in regards to Kwara, it belongs to the North and they are happy there. There was a time it was a mixed area, with Hausa, Fulani and Yoruba. It was also part of ancient Oyo, however there was a disagreement between the general leading the area and the ruler of Oyo. The military head of Ilorin named Afonja, with the help of Sheik Alimi, a Fulani general fought Oyo and took the area over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilorin_Emirate
https://yorubarenaissance.com/2012/10/22/the-history-of-ilorin-the-yoruba-link/


Afonja then sacked all non-Fulani from government and the military. From there the Fulani eventually took power after the death of Sheik Alimi. Eventually, the area pledged allegiance to Sokoto since Oyo was in decline. When the British came, anywhere that had previously pledged allegiance to Sokoto became part of what is now Northern Nigeria.

Is that Why Azikiwe helped to frustrate the Kwara referendum Awolowo and the West had fought so hard for after Zik and Balewa’s Government had promised the British before independence was granted to hold the Referendum immediately after independence ?


https://punchng.com/plan-to-install-yoruba-oba-in-ilorin-not-over-kasum-leader-of-afonja-descendants/

https://thenationonlineng.net/kwara-kogi-yoruba-seek-to-join-kinsmen-in-south-west/

NaijirianKing:
Yoruba governors are allowed to win because Fulani are not tribalistic. Same reason you have Hausas occupying such seats in Fulani dominated states and areas. This only shows how accommodating the Fulani can be, despite the recent media slander being put out against Fulani and the North.

Kwara has always been the southernmost fringe of the Sokoto Caliphate. So there is a mix of ethnic groups; Fulani, Hausa and even Yoruba, but it is actually Northern in culture, religion and history.

However, of course due to close proximity to the SW, there will be plenty of recent and not so recent migrants from the SW, but it is a Northern state.

Gibberish ! When the hour finally comes,you'll know where Ilorin rightly belongs to ! What relationship does Ilorin have with any fulani when in actual fact, Fulani are not indigenous to any part of Nigeria ? Tell us,how many local governments are in kwara state and their ethnic composition ? Even the figure headed emir in Ilorin dares not say the nonsense you just spewed. Kwara state as a whole and some parts of kogi state (Okun land),Lokoja inclusive, are effectively Yoruba land.

Yorubaland starts from Jebba; our territories are well defined and no land grabber from sahel can take an inch of it !

NaijirianKing:
Thankyou for your thoughtful responses without resorting to insults.

We may just see this thing differently due to our historic understandings. I'm Fulani and have been educated on history by family, I assume you were educated by your family or other sources, which is fine.

I'll do more research on the topic, and encourage you to do so as well, thankyou for your time.

I was not educated about Nigerian history by my family save the family history.

However, it’s not about you seeing it or being thought.

Based on Nigeria’s history, Bornu, Hausa and Yoruba, non introduced Islam to each other, rather got it willingly from foreign traders.

At around 1500, Mosque was built in Oyo Empire and worshipers and the religion were referred to as Imale and Esin Imale respectively. Esin means religion while Imale refers to Mali where the religion was introduced to Yorubas.

These are known and verifiable facts.

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Christistruth00:


They have already asked them all to register their names addresses and phone numbers and those that can vouch for their character

lol, is that not what you like to hear


when have anything documentation or protocol ever affected the fulanis?

They basically operate parallel laws when they want so don't be deceived by rhetoric


How did Boko Haram suddenly hoist flag in Niger State close to Abuja, many would say there was no sign they were so strong in the place

They forget that fulani Terrorists herdsmen, bandits are the same as Boko Haram

forgiveness:


Fulani didn’t introduce Islam to Yoruba, Hausas and Bornu hence it’s not the Northerners religion.

As a matter of fact, Yorubas did not get Islam through any parts in the Northern Nigeria hence they are not practicing Northerner’s religion.

Kwara state is big and comprises of many towns and villages. How many are operating Emirate system apart from Ilorin?

For your information, the British government signed agreement directly with the Balogun instead of the Emirate? Why?

Because as at the time the British came, the Baloguns were totally incharge of Ilorin.

Please, be informed.

Can you now answer why sultan sights Ramadan moon for Yoruba Muslims


Does it mean if Yoruba goes it's own way it would be needing sultan to sight moon for it

NaijirianKing:
Have all these people agreed to your world view or are you forcing it on them? It seems the SW starts and stops at definite points, but it appears you want to scatter those boundaries and recreate it in line with your world view.

It takes power to impose your will, at present, we know where the SW starts and stops, please respect other tribes and cultures.

You must be dumber than I initially assumed ,kiddo ! Which 'people" precisely,were you referring to in the silly "world view" you kept shouting all around ? Forcing what on who ? Are you being stupid or you've just decided to advertise your inherent foolishness for a wider audience ?

Come on,what's wrong with you ? What nonsense boundaries are you "scattering" ? Is Oba of Jebba not a Yoruba man ? How about the indigenes of Jebba,aren't they Yoruba ? Okun people of Kogi state,are they not Yoruba people ! Are you saying Senator Dino Melaye and Smart Adeyemi are not Yoruba from Kogi state ? The oworo clan of Yoruba race who left Ile Ife to found Lokoja are no longer Yoruba,right ? Do you even have an idea of how Yoruba of Kogi state have been making spirited efforts to join their kits and kins in the south west ? Do you have an iota of idea that there are Yoruba in Delta state (Olukumi and Itshekiri -some itshekiri see themselves as Yoruba while some don't, no wahala !) and Edo state ( Akoko Edo people ) ? Are you getting it now ? Yoruba are not land grabbers ; we know our boundaries from the North to the South.

An inch of Yoruba won't be left behind in the event of dissolution of this unworkable entity called Nigeria !

NaijirianKing:
This is true, but remember Fulani were living in ancient Mali as well, there is a great deal over historical overlap between the two groups. We have more in common that we do apart.

It's just recent propaganda that is harming our relationship.

Fula was a conquered territory and was under the Mali Empire.

NaijirianKing:
Have all these people agreed to your world view or are you forcing it on them? It seems the SW starts and stops at definite points, but it appears you want to scatter those boundaries and recreate it in line with your world view.

It takes power to impose your will, at present, we know where the SW starts and stops, please respect other tribes and cultures.

You are making a big mistake. There will be nothing like SW if Nigeria disintegrate.

What you will have is people identifying with their people.

I don’t think any Yoruba will want to belong or be part of another group apart from Yoruba.

Mikehot:
Can you now answer why sultan sights Ramadan moon for Yoruba Muslims


Does it mean if Yoruba goes it's own way it would be needing sultan to sight moon for it

Yorubas don’t follow Sultan.

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OceanEye:
The day Boko Haram comes to Yoruba land is the beginning of their total destruction. Southwesters like life and we cherish it more than so many tribes. So, they are going experience reaction that has nothing to do with politics.

Stop deluded thinking. If the south cant handle Herdsmen what makes you think we can handle bandits and/or boko haram. The south needs to come TOGETHER and plan stategically on how we can defend our lands from all these northern menaces.

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OdudwaR:
Boko Haram hoisted its flag in Shiroro, Niger yesterday.

Shiroro town is just 250miles away from where Yorubaland starts In Kwara State.

I posted it yesterday but the thread was deleted.

Yoruba land starts from Jebba not Ilorin. Or from Lokoja in Kogi west.
So do your arithmetic again, it is much closer than you think.

For Lokoja it is 205 miles.
Or don't you know that Okun Yoruba people make up like 40% of Lokoja LGA?? Felele where Federal university of Lokoja is located is a full fledged Yoruba town with an Oba.

Some Igbo boys think they can use fake news, lies and propaganda to deceive Yorubas the way they destabilized their Igboland.

Yoruba get sense pass you. We can't fall your cheap propaganda

forgiveness:


Fulani didn’t introduce Islam to Yoruba, Hausas and Bornu hence it’s not the Northerners religion.

As a matter of fact, Yorubas did not get Islam through any parts in the Northern Nigeria hence they are not practicing Northerner’s religion.

Kwara state is big and comprises of many towns and villages. How many are operating Emirate system apart from Ilorin?

For your information, the British government signed agreement directly with the Balogun instead of the Emirate? Why?

Because as at the time the British came, the Baloguns were totally incharge of Ilorin.

Please, be informed.

It is interesting that you denied that the Fulanis brought Islam to Yorubaland. Can you tell us where the Islam of the Yorubas came from?

immortal2:


It is interesting that you denied that the Fulanis brought Islam to Yorubaland. Can you tell us where the Islam of the Yorubas came from?

Go to school, you refused!
You people like spreading lies and beer parlours' stories instead of picking history books. There was Islam in the land before the coming of Fulanis to the entity know as Nigeria now. He already mentioned, the religion came through Malians in the old Oyo empire (1500). Your masters came in 18th century.

Can you share link of where fulani brought Islam to Yorubaland?

immortal2:


It is interesting that you denied that the Fulanis brought Islam to Yorubaland. Can you tell us where the Islam of the Yorubas came from?

From Mali. That’s why it’s called Esin Imale. Esin means religion while Imale means Mali.

At at around 1500, Mosque was built in Oyo Empire.

When did Fulani come to Nigeria?

forgiveness:



From Mali. That’s why it’s called Esin Imale. Esin means religion while Imale means Mali.

At at around 1500, Mosque was built in Oyo Empire.

When did Fulani come to Nigeria?

Can you cite the particular Muslim missionary from Mali that met with the Yoruba kings? And what was the name of the kings?

These question are necessary to show that you are denying the obvious that Fulani preachers brought Islam to Yoruba land.

NaijirianKing:
Please, let's be clear. Kwara is not part of the SW, Kwara has historically belonged with the Fulani and the Hausa. Recent economic migrants from the SW have come into the state's southernmost fringes, but that doesn't mean that the state belongs to the SW.

Kwara state was created by the Nigerian government. Stop acting like a slowpoke.

NaijirianKing:
Have all these people agreed to your world view or are you forcing it on them? It seems the SW starts and stops at definite points, but it appears you want to scatter those boundaries and recreate it in line with your world view.

It takes power to impose your will, at present, we know where the SW starts and stops, please respect other tribes and cultures.

Is the South West a name of a tribe? South West is just a geopolitical zone. Yoruba land includes Jebba and Ilorin.

immortal2:


Can you cite the particular Muslim missionary from Mali that met with the Yoruba kings? And what was the name of the kings?

These question are necessary to show that you are denying the obvious that Fulani preachers brought Islam to Yoruba land.

Who are the Fulani preachers that brought Islam to Yoruba land?

What are their names?

Which Yoruba king did they preach to?

If you answer that then I will answer your questions.

immortal2:


Can you cite the particular Muslim missionary from Mali that met with the Yoruba kings? And what was the name of the kings?

These question are necessary to show that you are denying the obvious that Fulani preachers brought Islam to Yoruba land.

what preachers?
Islam has always been propagated with violence

Interesting.

Interesting.

We are all Nigerians

We are all Nigerians

NaijirianKing:
Let's peak with fact and data, Kwara was part of an ancient Emirate that pledged loyalty to Sokoto. See the link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilorin_Emirate

Please guy, stop been stupid. Is Kwara the same thing as ilorin.

NaijirianKing:
You accuse the Fulani of being land grabbers.... and yet we see you doing this. I'm glad this forum is public so that the world can see who these statements and know who the true land grabbers are.

Fulani occupy empty forest and bush, and yet you claim whole states and local governments.... I hope you know that the internet never forgets.

If Nigeria divide, we will all know how far. All this you're just talking about is jargons. So Offa, jebba,Ifelodun, ekiti etc all in Kwara state are part of sokoto Emirates abi? You go get sense soon.

NaijirianKing:
This is true, they have been using propaganda to cause disunity between Fulani and Yoruba. The two are one, and can live in peace and harmony if not for all this media nonsense that Fulani are attacking people, when in reality these are just farmer/herder clashes, that can be resolved through government intervention like ranching.

Once ranching or any other policy is in place where everyone will have their side. Thus, there will be no more farmer/herder clashes.

And all those from the other side promoting disunity and chaos will have nothing to use to cause disunity between the two groups who can peacefully occupy the SW and thrive as a community devoted to progress and peace.

We need more people to call out the propaganda and see through it.

Yorubas and fulanis are not one. Any day Nigeria divide, that's the day you will know we have nothing in common with you guys. Out of 16 LG in Kwara state, Yorubas own 12, Nupes and some minorities share the rest of the 4.