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Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Deadlytruth(m): 8:06pm On May 26, 2021 |
horsepower102:Aburi Accord was an illegality and a purely military document just like this present 1999 constitution. It lacked the seal of the people's sovereignty. Can you please mention the name of the person who represented your federal constituency in Aburi during the sitting? Aburi Accord wasn't a constitution but just an assortment of agreements poorly thought out and hurriedly compiled by soldiers who have no deep knowledge on how to make laws through the universal legislative principles and process. Can you defend the fact that Aburi Accord had nothing on elections and democratic governance? It was just a seven point agreement among soldiers regarding how they were going to share power among themselves across regional lines 4 Likes |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Deadlytruth(m): 8:10pm On May 26, 2021 |
Lazynigerian1:Our problems started when the 1963 constitution was abolished 1 Like |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Nobody: 8:13pm On May 26, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: Our problems started from our refusal to follow due process...and from treating our economy as a national cake to be shared. No country has a perfect constitution. And the regions were no better than the states. |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Zane2point4(m): 8:15pm On May 26, 2021 |
Lazynigerian1:Are u insinuating that without oil we will all die of hunger? What about commerce? What about other countries doing well without crude oil? We can do well, if only we put our brains at work. Some regions will be mightier than others but at the end of the day many national pressing issues will be adressed... Terrorism, banditry, etc |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by soojar(m): 8:18pm On May 26, 2021 |
buckeyemedia: State cannot decentralize if I may put it the way you did. Everything is enshrined in that constitution the same that gave too much power to the Federal over state and local also gave too much power to the state over local. So if you want the local government to be strong, it has to still come from the constitution from top down. The state governors on their own can't do nothing about the local government. |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Nobody: 8:19pm On May 26, 2021 |
Zane2point4: As it is, we are all dependent on crude oil revenue. Which is why I don't vote for either PDP or APC, nor have I regarded any government , past or present, as good for Nigeria. None of them have any plan to get us off oil. If oil prices go up, our currency and economy go up. If oil goes down...everything goes down. Apart from oil, we don't have any major earner...and this isn't the 1960's...when things...especially our forex needs and population...were far less than they are now. Plus, no one wants regions anymore really....infact what people want is states...and more states (We are not seeing agitation for more states now because the Constitution makes it harder to create states). |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by OfoIgbo: 8:23pm On May 26, 2021 |
LegendHero: Awolowo also helped to institute the unitary governance structure. When Ojukwu arranged for a confederation,. Gowon along with Awolowo were on the side opposed to confederation. Thank God Ojukwu saw these things, many decades before a lot of people who are now wailing |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by IDENNAA(m): 8:24pm On May 26, 2021 |
At least this thread didn't end up into tribal bickering. I guess we found a common ground. Sorry , I take my words back. Useless Africans! 1 Like |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Deadlytruth(m): 8:26pm On May 26, 2021 |
Lazynigerian1:Due process was killed when the 1963 constitution was abolished by the military in the sense that the military instituted the culture of disregard for a Sovereign constitution and the due process stipulated in it 1 Like |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Deadlytruth(m): 8:41pm On May 26, 2021 |
OfoIgbo:Here we go again with revisionism and victim card playing. What Nigerians were expecting from Aburi Accord wasn't Confederacy but federalism which they all mutually consented to at the London Constitutional conference of 1957 and which Ironsi dismantled with the assistance of the same Ojukwu you claim saw something. When Awolowo, Enahoro, Balewa and Ahmadu Bello stood firmly for a confederal arrangement by making a case for secession clause Ojukwu was aware of the fact that it was his brother Azikiwe that sabotaged their efforts repeatedly in his own preference for a tightly bound and fraudulent one-Nigeria like we have today but Ojukwu never questioned Zik rather he even gave him a very important position in Biafra secession project and was expecting Awolowo and the rest whose earlier motions were sabotaged by the same Azikiwe to support Biafra and therefore work under the supervision of Zik the one-Nigerianist. How does that make sense? You have also forgotten that when Ironsi made the unification decree which introduced unitary system to Nigeria Ojukwu approved of it and gleefully announced over the radio the next day that Southern civil servants would start getting posted th to the North to take up headship positions courtesy of the now unified civil service. Again you forgot to add that the same Ojukwu was the one who attacked Isaac Adaka Boro for declaration Niger Delta secession from Nigeria, arrested him, stripped him naked and sent him to Lagos where Ironsi secured a death sentence on him for trying to seceded from Azikiwe's fraudulent one-Nigeria. 5 Likes |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by favour32(m): 8:48pm On May 26, 2021 |
Lazynigerian1:Wetin you talk sef? |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by neighbourhud: 8:54pm On May 26, 2021 |
oyinkel: Abi o! Your last paragraph is a salient point! |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Nobody: 8:54pm On May 26, 2021 |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Inspirelove: 8:55pm On May 26, 2021 |
Jamiubond009: IF you understand the game of politics ( you will not speak like that, politics does not answer to your emotions no matter how high it runs, no one answers to you when their interest is being threatened) |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Nobody: 8:57pm On May 26, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: We were already disregarding the constitution self...long before then (Ten percenters....) The problem with Nigeria is not the constitution, or the laws, but the fact that we don't follow them...and not following them has been the issue long before 1963. We have an imperfect constitution now...and the means to amend it. But many of us don't want to amend it...because it means hard work. Besides...1963 is not the same as 2021. Nigeria is a different country , with a lot of different challenges. Going back to the old won't solve our problems |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by favour32(m): 9:04pm On May 26, 2021 |
Lazynigerian1:Ok.....you correct...we go consider your opinion. |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by LegendHero(m): 9:30pm On May 26, 2021 |
OfoIgbo: I’m not trying to dwell on an argument or done tribal issue on this thread. Okay let’s agree all the past leader failed. At least that will be fair to both sides. 1 Like |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by orisa37: 9:50pm On May 26, 2021 |
constitution-review-akeredolu-backs-return-to-1963-constitution. SECONDED AND SUPPORTED. WHAT A SUBMISSION. GOD BLESS AKEREDOLU |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by SIRTee15: 10:04pm On May 26, 2021 |
Lazynigerian1: For an independent region that is less than 10 yrs old, western region performance was impressive. Numerous of her great feat cannot be repeated today. A region that established over 10 industrial estates, free universal basic education, 1st TV station in africa, built a skyscraper without any loan. If the system had remained, we would have made remarkable progress. Dont undermine the achievement of a developing nation. Remember china is a developing nation, yet its becoming envy of the world. Lazynigerian1: so is now that everything is centralised in abuja that things will be done on time? I will rather prefer my affairs are handled in ibadan than abuja. Lazynigerian1:Military rule didnt add anything to existing industrial estate. Rather, they ensured they went moribund because they focused on crude oil. The present unitary system was established by the military so that they can have the oil revenue to themselves. Now that they are gone, why should we continue with their retrogressive constitution. Lazynigerian1:The present unitary system makes it easy for Nigerians to share the money and u know it. Whether a state is productive or not, it will receive its monthly allocation from Abuja. As a Governor, why should I stress myself when I can be in dubai all year long and still have funds to run my state. Restructuring will eliminate that practice and some states will be forced to put on their thinking cap. Its either u prosper or perish. Lazynigerian1: Your narrative on tax, tax, and more tax is well known on this forum. If u think more tax will improve institutions, then u know nothing about governance. Power alone needs 100 billion dollars to revamp the power transmission according to Fashola. He also said we need another 100 billion dollars for infrastructure. Where do u think we can get that kind of money? The total wealth of nigeria is not up to 300 billion dollars and u expect us to cough out 200 billion dollars tax for just 2 institutions. wages in Nigeria very low and there's no way we can generate the kind of revenue needed for development from tax. Besides, when we finally restructure. States that want to generate revenue by taxing their citizens to death will be free to do so. U should be happy with that, at least your theory can be tested. Lazynigerian1:FG is in charge of the above, so direct your complaint to them. When western regions were in charge, agriculture fared very well and we earned good money from it. U even admitted we were top global producers during regional system of govt. Maybe its time we return agriculture and mining to the states. If the states see potential in it, they will invest properly. Of course. Lazynigerian1:I never said other regions didnt invest in education. I wrote western region offered FREE education because universal basic education was a priority to the govt. Lazynigerian1:This is 2021, education priority differs. Nobody said we should implement regional govt policy. The point is let each state/region determine whats best for them and be allowed to chart their course without undue interference from the centre. Those who want to continue open cattle grazing should be allowed to do so. Those who want to focus on ranching should not be dissuade from it. Lazynigerian1:states attract investment? do u understand the investment policy of this country? All investment is subject to FG policy, state can do nothing. That's why I mentioned Tinapa where FG govt custom policy killed the noble idea of a free trade zone. Tinapa was meant to be a place where u buy goods without import duty. The aim is to attract visitors who will in turn enjoy and spend money on other side attraction in Tinapa- The dubai concept. Well, customs officials complained they will lose revenue and they lobbied the Presidency to kill it. And that was how TINAPA became a ghost town. Lazynigerian1: I perceive your understanding of the power sector to be very shallow. Power to a nation is of national strategic importance. Its not something u build for profit. U build it to drive industrialisation and development. It cost an average of 1 billion dollars to generate 1000megawatt of electricity. 1000 megawatt can provide electricity for roughly 1 million people. Now guess how much it will cost to generate power for 200 million nigerians. Power generation anywhere in the world is not designed to be a profit oriented institution. Govt invest massively and equally subsidize to ensure the sector remains viable. Leaving it solely to private sectors is a dead end venture and that's the outcome with Nigerian power sector. Nigeria currently generates 10-15 thousand megawatt. Even if Nigerians pay x10 of current value for electricity, the revenue will be meagre and cannot be sufficient for any meaningful investment. What we need is complete decentralisation of the power sector. Let the national grid be unbundled, stated that want to pull out and generate have their own IPP should be allowed to do so. Lazynigerian1: Corruption is not the problem with Nigeria. China is more corrupt than Nigeria, take it from me. In UK, Paracetamol cost 10 pounds under NHS, something u buy for 90pence in TESCO. Restructuring is not a promise to EL DORADO, nobdy promised that. Restructuring is a pathway to self determination, inward looking, resource control and end to blame game. 2 Likes |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by CollinsAbims: 10:10pm On May 26, 2021 |
Restructuring; the only Hobson's choice for Nigeria! |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Smooyis(m): 12:01am On May 27, 2021 |
Very nice indeed |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by gidgiddy: 12:13am On May 27, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: Elections and democratic governance? Those things dont exist in military rule |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by calcal: 12:16am On May 27, 2021 |
Sure, Akeredolu needs to join forces with Igboho, Igboho needs to assure Akeredolu protection with his metaphysical power. While we send the fraudster Ganiu Adam to meet Afonja. |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by gidgiddy: 12:22am On May 27, 2021 |
LegendHero: With military rule, the existing constitution is always suspended. What is important however is that Ironsi was the only military ruler who kept Nigeria as close to the 1963 constitution as possible Ironsi met 4 Regions, he kept 4 Regions Ironsi met resource control, he kept resource control Ironsi met fiscal federalism, he kept it Gowon came in and met the same 4 Regions, he abolished all 4 Regions and created 12 states Gowon met resource control, but resource control disappeared under Gowon Gowon met fiscal federalism, he used decree 14 to reverse it Ironsi did not even do 1% of what Gowon and other Northern military leaders did |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Deadlytruth(m): 2:32am On May 27, 2021 |
Lazynigerian1:. The ten percenters narrative was more of a camouflage for an ethnic cleansing agenda which the coupists had up their sleeve. If not how come a lot of innocent army officers who were never involved in bidding for contracts talkless of demanding 10 percent kickback got killed in that coup purportedly aimed at ridding the country of the so-called 10 percenters? Mind you that that constitution had clearly spelt out punishment for official crimes unlike the present one that is ambiguous as regards that and encourages something worse than 10 percent. 1 Like |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Deadlytruth(m): 2:41am On May 27, 2021 |
gidgiddy: Ironsi met autonomous regions but broke them into powerless provinces over which he appointed military governors whom he asked to be reporting to him at the center. Such a centripetal arrangement was unitary system and a negation of federalism which is a centrifugal arrangement in practice. On getting to power Gowon started the process of abolition of Ironsi's centripetal decrees and restored the adjective 'federal' to the country's official name, abolished Ironsi's provinces and more before Ojukwu began to insist on confederalism which was all together strange to Nigerians and that was what made Gowon halt his refederalization of the country to treat Ojukwu's war threat. Mind you that Ironsi killed resource control by unifying the civil service into one. The states Gowon created were far more autonomous than the provinces Ironsi created hence the creation of states by Gowon didn't detract from federalism. In fact federalism is not the existence of more or fewer subnational units but the degree to which they are autonomous. Under Ironsi autonomy was zero hence he killed federalism. 2 Likes |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Deadlytruth(m): 2:56am On May 27, 2021 |
gidgiddy: Aburi Accord was supposed to be a new constitution on how Nigeria was going to be governed post military intervention in the scheme of things. Recall that its major objective was to go and undo Ironsi's offensive decrees and thereby return the country to status quo ante of decentralized democratic rule. So why should the final agreement therefore be silent on the issue of return to democracy? 1 Like |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by gidgiddy: 6:40am On May 27, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: Military do not make constitution, they make Decrees. And Decrees only last while there is Military rule. The Aburi accord stated several times that what was agreed was only for the "period of military rule" What many people dont even know is that the Aburi accord decentralized government even more than the 1963 constitution. That agreement actually gave the Regions the right to have its own military |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by gidgiddy: 7:33am On May 27, 2021 |
Deadlytruth: First they said Ironsi abolished the Regions, now they say he only made them weak. I still wonder how Ironsi made the Regions weak when he allowed resource control? The greatest thing any Region can control is its resources. How does a unified civil service affect Resource control if the Regions are controlling their resources, paying the agreed tax to centre and keeping the bulk of what accrues on their land? What makes you federal is when you control your resources and pay the centre. When the centre controls your resources and pays you, you are only federal in name only. I laugh when people say that Ironsi took out 'federal' and Gowon brought it back. Nigeria is still answering 'federal' but nobody is controlling their resources. So whats the point? Its better that Ironsi took out Federal but allowed resource control, than Gowon who bought it back but took away resource control What Province did Ironsi create? He met 4 Regions, he left 4 Regions. Gowon came in, abolished all 4 Regions he inherited from Ironsi, created 12 states(6 of which he gave his Northern Region), took away resource control and abrogated the revenue sharing formular agreed at independence. Gowon was the person who kept Nigeria where it is today for had he not abolished the 4 Regions and resource control, Nigeria would have have been able to go back to the 1963 constitution after military rule Ironsi did not do 1% of what Gowon did. The only problem Ironsi had was that he was Igbo man while Gowon was a Northerner. When your a Northerner, you can get away with daylight robbery. 2 Likes |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Sipsum: 7:55am On May 27, 2021 |
ednut1: Yes, it was for us in the SW. |
Re: Constitution Review: Akeredolu Backs Return To 1963 Constitution by Sipsum: 8:00am On May 27, 2021 |
EmmyDJourno: Na North abolish 1963 constitution?. Even North was doing well on their own, especially in agriculture. |
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