IAmSkinny:

Like I said, the redpill does not condemn marriage blatantly like it's some sort of taboo. Just like there are single mothers, single daddies exists too.
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I might choose to get married, I might not. But one thing I know is that marriage allows 80% of promiscuous women to eat their cake and have it and still have it. This is exactly what redpill principle is trying to open our eyes to.
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Wanna get married? Then vet ruthlessly and discard as appropriate

stanliwise:

Anyway I know the redpill to be good at one thing, shinning light at small object. Hovering microscope on them and making them a topic.

If you had the power what should change in marriage institution to make it good for men?

IAmSkinny:


You can't change the marriage institution bro. This is you Indirectly asking me if I can completely change a woman if I had the power.
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Marriage institution is even still salvageable and manageable in Nigeria; thanks to our strong cultural and traditional institutions.
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Now imagine countries like Germany, the US and UK where gynocentrism is a culture. You as a man can lose everything you have worked for within a twinkle of an eye. The culprit is marriage.
That nonsense cannot happen in our traditional Nigerian society today, but to an extent, it's already happening here.
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Men are the people who should be changed and not marriage or women. That's exactly what the redpill is trying to achieve. Enlightening men, opening eyes and giving valid reasons.

HighK:
This is obviously a liberal/far left couple training their kids to be lgbt, allowing them to be exposed to porn so early, no spanking, no religious/spiritual guidance/restriction. All these things are child abuse that the mainstream is pushing to the masses.

You have until when a child is 7 or 8 to mold his/her core values after that it becomes extremely difficult. If this guy was exposed to porn too early before he has learnt how to protect or control his mind to any degree, that could be what has short circuited his psyche.

It might be too late now. Even the daughter is being abused by 15 she already has 3 sexual relationships... What a mess. Her mental issues are only hybernating.

IAmSkinny:



Rollo Tomassi a popular proponent of the Redpill is married.
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Marriage is an arrangement that does not favor men. Even Esther Villa, a women has bared this fact in one of her books.

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Remember I mentioned that to a redpiller, everything is business right? Now why would anyone want to engage in a business where he's sure to lose at the end of the day?
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Yet, the redpill does not still blatantly discourage men from only getting married. It only admonishes men to vet their intended spouses thoroughly and tread with maximum caution.

Magnoliaa:


To what end? If marriage doesn't benefit them, why are they married or why did he get married? What are the gains to be had in such marriages? What do you think you'll get from a marriage if you are to go into it?

IAmSkinny:


Your question is very vague. Can you be a little more specific?

Magnoliaa:


You said marriage doesn't benefit men, so I am wondering what Rollo Tomassi or any other redpiller stand to gain by being married.

If you were to get married as a redpiller, what are the reasons you'll get married for?

IAmSkinny:


Like I said earlier. I'm not interested in changing anything even if I had the power.
I'm not a magician and I'm not interested in changing stuffs even if I had the power.
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I'm only interested in changing me and the redpill has been very effective in doing that.
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Women can be whatever they want be or do whatever they want to do. But with the redpill pill principles, I know I would never lose to them in a relationship or business. If I'm sure I'd lose, then I'd avoid whatever engagement it is that'd bring about such a loss.
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I'm not dodging your question, I'm just not interested in fairy tale solutions and wishfulness.
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The traditional institutions and arrangement of things that predated the early 20th century of course.

IAmSkinny:

Rollo married way before discovering the Pill. His application of redpill principles in his marriage has contributed greatly to the success of his marriage.
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Interestingly, he mentioned somewhere that he wouldn't have married if he had found the pill prior.
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Let me blunt with you, I have nothing to gain if I were. The argument is that loneliness might haunt such an individual at old age and they'll be none to pass off one's inheritance unto.

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Quick question: was MJ married?
But he did have kids, didn't he?
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So here's the remote benefit of marriage that you may argue for:

* Kids
* Sex (the redpill has made it known that marriage does not provide the kind of mind blow sex and endless supply of pvssy that bluepilled anticipate in marriage. Rather, marriage only provides boring, coerced and dutiful sex)
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Ermm what else sef?

stanliwise:

Atleast anyone following this discussion would know one thing.
I have confirmed the assertion I once made.
They don’t really care about the marriage like they preach, they don’t have a solution, they are just about what women did wrong
That’s said, done and dusted

Now let me break down the the real idea of redpill as it gained it first popularity on the web and that was in a subreddit thread called r/redpill. You can check the archives. They were banned later on.

Redpill only intention and the main one is this.
“Male supremacy” - the belief that male gender is greater and supreme than the female gender in all ramifications (biologically and socially). And a male gender deserve more of anything.

Anything else you see in redpill is a proxy of male supremacy.

Redpill are not concerned about any single thing. Redpill are only concerned about how to suppress the female gender. Not necessarily because of what a female does per se but just because he just has to be supreme.

So if you’re a guy out there and you have a social and emotional problem, you need emotional and social training to help yourself. Redpill original goal is a gender war. It really isn’t about you as men per se. It is rather interested in women and what women do. More like a society formed to segregate rather solve problems.

Same as white supremacy, they are not about white people development per se they are rather about how colored people has come to share power with them. They are after segregation and suppression. They basically don’t really care what white does or do but instead what other colors do

Magnoliaa:


The success of his marriage. Nice. If he applied red pill principles to his marriage and he's getting benefits from it, then that means the marriage institution isn't bad in itself like you've claimed. And it can be changed. It can be made better (or worse).

Ah. Now it has remote benefits. Okay. Kids and sex can be gotten outside of marriage. So that point does not really hold. There should be something more to marriage, if you're willing to be honest with yourself. It's not marriage that bring about kids and sex, we've only established a marriage (and love and connection and permanence and so on) around those biological realities. And are we talking about a monogamous marriage here? Something that'll involve faithfulness and being tied to a woman, and one soup for the rest of one's life? How would a redpiller live with that, lol? Unless there is something more to the marriage and the woman.

So from my engagements with you, I guess you have also concluded that I'm out to subjugate women isn't it?

All redpill proponents on this forum share the same basic beliefs with myself. Cc Luminouz, Martinez, Caveadullum
They can confirm

Whatever information you get from reddit or elsewhere is not my business. You have my beliefs, take it or leave it.

stanliwise:
@IAmSkinny




You’re too small for me to pinpoint you. Don’t feel important, I was talking about the redpill as it is



Redpill is an ideology that survive with herd mentality. So your fellow herders are necessary.



Don’t feel threatened, and also don’t feel important, your likes are everywhere in the forum, so why should I be concerned about a faceless presence

In conclusion, I spoke to a baby redpill today and he knew practically nothing about redpill except mentioning what he saw other wrote.
Thank you

IAmSkinny:

God, when did I say "marriage is bad"? Calm down with the false assertion.
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We're not saying marriage institution is bad. We're saying it's a business that men usually do not gain from, hence the need to tread cautiously or completely stay away from.
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I can see you're trying to drive home a point I clearly did not make with the "remote benefit" assertion
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Does this faithfulness involves a woman bringing sexually chaste body to the table?
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Redpillers are not emotional driven beings. We're highly rational beings and the mention of love other fairy tale jargons to make marriage look attractive does not move my kind.
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All our dealings are strictly business and void of emotions. Sex brings about kids. Full stop.

IAmSkinny:

How do you gain knowledge? By reading what others read of course. The English you're speaking and writing in today, were you born with it?
Now your effort at cheap ridicule contained in your last paragraph has completely been rendered useless because you just shot yourself in the feet bro.
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All theories, beliefs have proponents and followers right? Including religion and science right? Should we also say both thrive solely because of herb mentality?
Again you've been exposed.
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I don't feel threatened by you because I brought up a superior argument. My argument has rubbished your false assertion about redpill being a gay and incel movement, then you shifted the post to it being a men supremacy group (probably after a sloppy Google search job).
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Now it's me being a baby Redpiller. I'm not threatened at all. I'm just glad you've been properly schooled and all your lies are in perfect ruins.

Magnoliaa:


You've made several claims and insinuations about marriage on this thread. You said it wasn't beneficial to men. If something isn't beneficial to you, then you can say it is not good for you. You said what's left of marriage is salvageable and manageable, and you think it's an error on my part to conclude that you're saying marriage is bad? Is it because you haven't used the word "bad?" You said marriage give promiscuous women an advantage.

At least you've left the Tomassi own. He's married and he claims it's successful. So there, that's benefiting him, is it not?

Now you're beginning to use words that aren't all-or-not. So men usually do not gain from marriages, but they CAN gain from it. And they seldom gain from it. Hope I am getting you? If they tread carefully and vet well and are sensible and make good decisions, they can have a good and happy marriage. Okay.

I wasn't trying to drive home anything. You said you may argue for the remote benefits of kids and sex in a marriage, and I said you can get those outside of a marriage. If you can get kids and sex outside of a marriage, what is the point of marriage to a redpiller? Why bother getting married?

And are you telling me you'll only be FAITHFUL to a woman with a "sexually chaste body?" Her and only her alone? Because that's kind of like my point. I'm trying to find out if you'll be into being tied down in a long-time commitment for simple boring sex and kids in a marriage. What are you getting in return in that (transactional) marriage? And what are you giving to the woman? Why is a marriage necessary for such a transaction since you can have them without marriage? Are you getting my point? Because I think I'm as CLEAR about my questions as possible.

All you've just been talking about are probabilities and whatever. Can I ask you to be more direct now, what does a redpiller stand to gain in marriage? Assuming a redpiller is deciding to get married, what's in it for him? If he were to vet women, what is he looking for?

You can just really answer the last paragraph and skip the whole text. The answer is what I'm really interested in.

stanliwise:

From my observation I guess you read most of your redpill knowledge from Nairaland here and you have little depth
Don’t feel threatened and don’t take things personal.
Denial and avoidance is redpill culture.
Take care for the day

IAmSkinny:


Take note of the conditional and pretext I mentioned marriage as being salvageable. Also take note of my previous response I gave to the person I was engaging with.
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And I didn't say "I would argue".I say people, the society, anyone "would argue for kids". Oh oh, now I see the game you're trying to play
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I repeat, marriage is a business transaction with zero RIO for men whether redpilled or not.

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You are nitpicking questions, omitting each of the context and scenarios under which an explanation was made. With this, I can confidently assume I've answered all your questions including the last one.
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Cheers

Wahala wa o. Toor. It seems you don't wanna engage me. It's okay. Game?

To a redpiller, everything is game and manipulation. I'm not surprised.

I'm not nitpicking, rather questions are even ... I don't know. It fosters discussion, it clarifies assumptions, it builds new knowledge. I'm simply just doing what I would expect from others in a sensible, healthy interaction here. Try to clarify yourself and leave no room for assumptions and ask questions if you think you do not understand the other person's point. Shikena. You can really do all these without tying their factuality or error to your person. No body knows everything.

You're confusing me with all these business terms sef. Oga. RIO or ROI? Are those not investment terms? *crumples face*. Fuçk. I asked you a personal question. And you responded as if you were giving your own perspective, only to turn around and say you were talking about the society.

Are you intentionally making statements like that so you can come back to claim or insert that you didn't say this or that? . Guy, stop confusing my dada now.

So marriage is completely useless to a redpiller. And Rollo Tomassi is lying about the success of his marriage. Even Elon Musk deliberately married in the previous times having known that marriage do not benefit him (assuming he was redpilled then). And no matter how much vetting you indulge in, no matter how you tread carefully, no matter the kind of sexually chaste and pure woman that comes your way, marriage is pointless and useless to a redpiller. Am I gEtTiNg iT?

So for the intending redpillers that wanna tie the knot or the ones already in it, what can you call their behavior??

Yes. I've gotten my answer, thank you. Albeit, you wuruwuru-ly answered, lol. (Kanipe you were straight forward now, you can put all blame on me for misunderstanding you).

And that is that they are confused, hypocritical, etc., for them to be engaging in an institution or transaction that brings them no value.

What kinda sense is in that? And you talk say wuna logika. Wo.

PS: E be like say I need Economics class. Because my knowledge of a transaction is a give and take something, hence I was asking what you're bringing and receiving, and what the woman is bringing and receiving. I'll ask Poco to clarify them for me, if a transaction can take place and yield zero RIO. Very convenient for you to avoid answering my questions by sweeping a transactional idea under an investment term. Neat clean-up.

(Attached pic for emphasis- vetting ruthlessly and discarding for an institution that yields zero RIO to men whether they are redpilled or not. So they are basically vetting for ... nothing.(

Magnoliaa:


Wahala wa o. Toor. It seems you don't wanna engage me. It's okay. Game?

To a redpiller, everything is game and manipulation. I'm not surprised.

I'm not nitpicking, rather questions are even ... I don't know. It fosters discussion, it clarifies assumptions, it builds new knowledge. I'm simply just doing what I would expect from others in a sensible, healthy interaction here. Try to clarify yourself and leave no room for assumptions and ask questions if you think you do not understand the other person's point. Shikena. You can really do all these without tying their factuality or error to your person. No body knows everything.

You're confusing me with all these business terms sef. Oga. RIO or ROI? Are those not investment terms? *crumples face*. Fuçk. I asked you a personal question. And you responded as if you were giving your own perspective, only to turn around and say you were talking about the society.

Are you intentionally making statements like that so you can come back to claim or insert that you didn't say this or that? . Guy, stop confusing my dada now.

So marriage is completely useless to a redpiller. And Rollo Tomassi is lying about the success of his marriage. Even Elon Musk deliberately married in the previous times having known that marriage do not benefit him (assuming he was redpilled then). And no matter how much vetting you indulge in, no matter how you tread carefully, no matter the kind of sexually chaste and pure woman that comes your way, marriage is pointless and useless to a redpiller. Am I gEtTiNg iT?

So for the intending redpillers that wanna tie the knot or the ones already in it, what can you call their behavior??

Yes. I've gotten my answer, thank you. Albeit, you wuruwuru-ly answered, lol. (Kanipe you were straight forward now, you can put all blame on me for misunderstanding you).

And that is that they are confused, hypocritical, etc., for them to be engaging in an institution or transaction that brings them no value.

What kinda sense is in that? And you talk say wuna logika. Wo.

PS: E be like say I need Economics class. Because my knowledge of a transaction is a give and take something, hence I was asking what you're bringing and receiving, and what the woman is bringing and receiving. I'll ask Poco to clarify them for me, if a transaction can take place and yield zero RIO. Very convenient for you to avoid answering my questions by sweeping a transactional idea under an investment term. Neat clean-up.

IAmSkinny:



I just noticed you're the OP of this thread. Damn, if I had known earlier.
All the time I wasted.
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Bye

You damn well knew it was me. The colorful typewriter lol. There's no shame in admitting that and trying to backtrack now.

Magnoliaa:


You said marriage doesn't benefit men, so I am wondering what Rollo Tomassi or any other redpiller stand to gain by being married.

If you were to get married as a redpiller, what are the reasons you'll get married for?

-*

(At least, in defense of feminists, they talk about equality in marriage and how it can be made a safe and healthy haven with a good, compassionate and open-minded guy). But you... you believe nothing can be changed about marriage and every woman is the same... so really, what are the married redpillers looking for in a marriage?)

stanliwise:

Atleast anyone following this discussion would know one thing.
I have confirmed the assertion I once made.
They don’t really care about the marriage like they preach, they don’t have a solution, they are just about what women did wrong
That’s said, done and dusted

Now let me break down the the real idea of redpill as it gained it first popularity on the web and that was in a subreddit thread called r/redpill. You can check the archives. They were banned later on.

Redpill only intention and the main one is this.
“Male supremacy” - the belief that male gender is greater and supreme than the female gender in all ramifications (biologically and socially). And a male gender deserve more of anything.

Anything else you see in redpill is a proxy of male supremacy.

Redpill are not concerned about any single thing. Redpill are only concerned about how to suppress the female gender. Not necessarily because of what a female does per se but just because he just has to be supreme.

So if you’re a guy out there and you have a social and emotional problem, you need emotional and social training to help yourself. Redpill original goal is a gender war. It really isn’t about you as men per se. It is rather interested in women and what women do. More like a society formed to segregate rather than solve problems.

Same as white supremacy, they are not about white people development per se they are rather about how colored people has come to share power with them. They are after segregation and suppression. They basically don’t really care what white does or do but instead what other colors do

WildPrimate:

Feminist don't want equality. They desire the privileges of their husbands and not the responsibilities. He works, he gets back and makes you a sandwich.

stanliwise:

Atleast anyone following this discussion would know one thing.
I have confirmed the assertion I once made.
They don’t really care about the marriage like they preach, they don’t have a solution, they are just about what women did wrong
That’s said, done and dusted

Now let me break down the the real idea of redpill as it gained it first popularity on the web and that was in a subreddit thread called r/redpill. You can check the archives. They were banned later on.

Redpill only intention and the main one is this.
“Male supremacy” - the belief that male gender is greater and supreme than the female gender in all ramifications (biologically and socially). And a male gender deserve more of anything.

Anything else you see in redpill is a proxy of male supremacy.

Redpill are not concerned about any single thing. Redpill are only concerned about how to suppress the female gender. Not necessarily because of what a female does per se but just because he just has to be supreme.

So if you’re a guy out there and you have a social and emotional problem, you need emotional and social training to help yourself. Redpill original goal is a gender war. It really isn’t about you as men per se. It is rather interested in women and what women do. More like a society formed to segregate rather than solve problems.

Same as white supremacy, they are not about white people development per se they are rather about how colored people has come to share power with them. They are after segregation and suppression. They basically don’t really care what white does or do but instead what other colors do

stanliwise:

Atleast anyone following this discussion would know one thing.
I have confirmed the assertion I once made.
They don’t really care about the marriage like they preach, they don’t have a solution, they are just about what women did wrong
That’s said, done and dusted

Now let me break down the the real idea of redpill as it gained it first popularity on the web and that was in a subreddit thread called r/redpill. You can check the archives. They were banned later on.

Redpill only intention and the main one is this.
“Male supremacy” - the belief that male gender is greater and supreme than the female gender in all ramifications (biologically and socially). And a male gender deserve more of anything.

Anything else you see in redpill is a proxy of male supremacy.

Redpill are not concerned about any single thing. Redpill are only concerned about how to suppress the female gender. Not necessarily because of what a female does per se but just because he just has to be supreme.

So if you’re a guy out there and you have a social and emotional problem, you need emotional and social training to help yourself. Redpill original goal is a gender war. It really isn’t about you as men per se. It is rather interested in women and what women do. More like a society formed to segregate rather than solve problems.

Same as white supremacy, they are not about white people development per se they are rather about how colored people has come to share power with them. They are after segregation and suppression. They basically don’t really care what white does or do but instead what other colors do

pocohantas:
Redpillers no get shikini sense.

pocohantas:
Redpillers no get shikini sense.

pocohantas:
Redpillers no get shikini sense.

You sef see am.