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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 11:12pm On Jun 13, 2021 |
haddeylium: Job_15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at, girlie false jw haddeylium of no understanding your excuses excuses excuses are just more lies lies lies michael is one on the archangels, not the only one like you still lie and say truly know nothing, one of the chief princes of daniel 10:13 = one of the chief angels = one of the archangels but you false jw's will always twist God's word to suit your false beliefs Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. KJV Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 11:26pm On Jun 13, 2021 |
haddeylium: Job_15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at, girlie false jw haddeylium of no understanding 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: the lord descends with all His angels which includes His archangels a archangel sounds a shout you say because there is a shout from a archangel, then Jesus must be a archangel well there is the sound of a trumpet too, does that mean that Jesus is a trumpet, fool Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 12:05am On Jun 14, 2021 |
haddeylium: girlie false jw haddeylium of no understanding angel or archangel isn't mentioned in that verse and so you claim that "one of the chief princes" in that verse does not equate to "one of the chief angels", laughing that's confused twisting false jw for you 1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 12:43am On Jun 14, 2021 |
Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. daniel 10:13, it is a angel that is speaking, he had an encounter with another angel, a fallen angel - a prince. but lo another angel michael - one of the chief princes came to his aide it's so straight forward and simple, but not for a false jw twister ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 2:09am On Jun 14, 2021 |
haddeylium: false jw girlie haddeylium, i would say more on your post except it is so confused and you give verses that don't support what you say, very deceiving you mob are however i will teach a couple of those verses to you: Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. to call a person a fool who is not a fool is sin to call a person a fool who is a fool is saying the truth Luk 12:20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. michael the archangel couldn't rebuke your god the devil but called on the Lord to rebuke him however the Lord Jesus Christ Himself has no problem rebuking the devil Mat 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. if you had the courage, and if all those verses you mentioned in your post supported you, you would post them, not just book chapter and verse numbers instead you copy and paste from someone else's know nothing work God knows what you had to wink at, laugh |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 9:24pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Janosky: 1. Learn to read properly. It's will help your heart. 2. When you don't understand, don't cover up, be honest to ask questions before concluding. Concluding without asking question is dangerous to your heartbeat. So read again, this time with the right heart. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 9:26pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Janosky: Is this the scriptures under view. Why are you this scattered in discussion. Keep your focus. Go back to what I quote and tell me where Jesus was mentioned there. Or accept and learn. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:07pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
The funny part is how you keep nursing the idea that people from different races all over the earth having the same line of thought numbering millions {John 17:20-23} will come and learn from you when your teaching is not working anywhere except in your own head. Even Jesus of Nazareth quickly began forming his own group so that at a point in time he had to introduce them as his spiritual family! Matthew 12:46-49 ![]() So my friend, anyone can come to the conclusion that he is right while others are wrong, but the one and only EVIDENCE that's undeniable is when what you're saying is working out in a gathering and people are seeing the benefits. Matthew 5:13-16 But in the case where you're only arguing and justifying your personal conclusion on scriptural text, my guy nah OYO you dey! Luke 11:23 ![]() hupernikao: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:13pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
![]() Janosky: What exactly is your point here. Are you doing Bible study or copy and paste competition. You need to be definite and precise when handling bible interpretation. You seems to be jumping from scripture to scriptures and this is usually a sign of not understanding what you are saying. Let me help your understanding. The word used for chief in Daniel 10:13 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Chief It's taken from the Hebrew word re·shon. Which simply means first, primary, former. re·shon is derived from the word re·shä, which means beginning, Ezek 36:11 And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. re·shä is derived from a root word roshe. Which means head, top, chief, principal . It was used 598 times in the OT. Observe its usage below. Exo 18:25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens. Made them heads over. Implying they are rulers, commanders, they are to lead. Note also, The Hebrew word Roshe is a direct transliteration of the Greek word arche, archon where we derived archangel. Arche/Archon, The first, ruler, a commander, the beginning. When Arche is used, it shows the headship or the first or the start. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The word beginning is arche (Greek), re·shon in Hebrew. Same word Daniel used. Acts 26:4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews; Paul used the word FIRST. That is the beginning, the arche. Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, The word principalities implies a commander, the first, the ruler. Same as you have Michael. Archangel from arche and angelos. It implies the first, the ruler, the commander of angels. This is consistent with what Daniel wrote about Michael in Daniel 10:13 . He called Michael one of the CHIEF. Chief, first, commander. Same word for arche. Hence the usage of Daniel for Michael as ONE OF, shows you that 1. Michael is a chief, ruling, commanding angel, one of the first. 2. There are more than one commanding, ruling angels. This is the reasons you will see some translation uses chief of angels, instead of archangel. That is what it means. Michael, is one of those that are commanding angels. Putting him in category of the Son will be a big gap in your Bible knowledge. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:20pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Janosky: The OT testified about me. Simply put, the God you see in OT is that Jesus, the man you see in the flesh. Why is this hard for you to understand. The whole of OT testified about God, that is who we see as the son in the flesh, Jesus. That is the concept that you are struggling with. Fara e balè nah. You are agitated. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:22pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Some people just like telling their folks saying "i don't use to allow those JWs whenever they come to preach their doctrines, i always use God's word to teach them" Now this is where your problem lies, JWs have already form a global family of peace loving worshipers having the best network of preaching and teaching program the world has ever known. But you that's arguing with them can't present any reliable group that's performing as in TEACHING what you're saying even the churches you people attends often disagrees with what you're saying, yet you keep nursing the idea that you're doing something worthwhile! ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:30pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Well, I am not discussing for you to agree, nor to determine where you fellowship. But I am giving you things that will always probe your mind whenever you think again on that believe system of Jesus as angel which you hold. That is enough for me. For every text you quote or study now on this, you will see clearer that they weren't speaking about Jesus except by manipulation. But I can't stop you from imagining things. Jesus wasnt taught as angel in any text of the scriptures. You can hold your view, but it won't change the fact that it's an erroneous view. The very scriptures (Malachi 3, Isa 42) you all held that I corrected is the very scriptures that put that man, Jesus as the God of all when taught in proper context of the scriptures. All you need is a sincere heart and a good reading mind to see this. It takes nothing. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 12:28am On Jun 15, 2021 |
haddeylium: girlie false jw haddeylium, that confused statment is just a excuse you have given for when you are shown to be wrong and you have no comeback, like in where you lied and claimed that: the bible indicates that there is only one archangel Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. haddeylium: Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. ^^ phony jw u tried to teach that "chief princes" is diffrent to "chief angels" ![]() 2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. also, the Word come Jesus Christ is not named michael, His name is however "The Word of God" Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. michael is one of the chief angels, however: the Word is KING of kings and Lord of lords Rev_17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:16am On Jun 15, 2021 |
The case is simple only the organization that's teaching their members how God transformed the life of one of His Spirit Sons (angels) into an embryo in the womb of a virgin that's yielding the positive results of FAITH globally! Matthew 7:16-18 Your argument on FAITH that's not working out what is visible is DEAD {James 2:18-26} so keep meditating on what is being demonstrated globally with fine results because that's what FAITH means not fruitless arguments! Hebrews 11:1 ![]() hupernikao: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:08am On Jun 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: ![]() ![]() ![]() Now you have left the bible study you called us to have with you. You shouldnt have called people to study when you know you cant defend your belief or convincingly explain what you hold dear. Well, I am sure i have done enough to clear the doubt in you and your other brethren's hearts here on the issue at hand, this is the reason you have no other scriptures to defend your wrong stand than using strawman argument now. So, when you read Jesus in the NT, always know that is the very God in OT in the flesh. So, I will prefer to keep my focus on scriptures than going the line you are threading, and since you have all exhausted all your scriptures (there is no scripture actually that support that belief system of Jesus is Angel) , i will then leave you to brood over all that i have said and pointed you to in the cause of this study. May God's word continue to light up dark places. Amen. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:59am On Jun 15, 2021 |
There's no need arguing when your argument hasn't produced anything! ![]() Remember the purpose of studying is to get the benefits of what you've devoted so much time on, not when you keep studying but there's nothing to show for your study! 2Timothy 3:7 That's why i mentioned the group name of a global family of peace loving worshipers who are performing throughout the earth. You can continue with your argument on other threads {1Timothy 6:4} here we are talking about FAITH that's working not DEAD FAITH that's only living in the brain of one person who can't point to it's work! James 2:18-26 Thanks for your participation Sir! ![]() hupernikao: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 1:35pm On Jun 15, 2021 |
johnw47: @ Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, English language copied your Bible from the Hebrew language. @Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, " one of" is Hebrew 259 lexicon. Hebrew 259 lexicon, "one of"= "the Head, the first." JohnW fraud, know this & stop typing GIBBERISH ![]() ![]() @Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9, who is "the serpent"? @Genesis 3:15,1John3:8 & Revelation 12:7-9, Who defeated "the serpent"? In your Bible Satan bears different names, likewise, Jesus Christ. JohnW fraud, stop DECEIVING yourself. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 1:58pm On Jun 15, 2021 |
hupernikao:Bros, you dodge my questions and you continue to make spurious claims DECEIVING yourself ![]() ![]() hupernikao: Hupernikao says Jesus his Trinity Gods is the angel of the lord of Genesis 16:7-13 & Judges 6:11-22 & Judges 13:3-17. @ Genesis chapters 18, 21,22,31. Bros, Jesus your "angel of the Lord" denial done cast. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Please show this public forum where God said in the old testament he will send himself to the earth. Bros, bring proof to show Nairaland. The ball is rolling in your court. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 2:43pm On Jun 15, 2021 |
hupernikao: Hupernikao called out JWs on this thread and yab them whereas his DUBIOUS doctrine & FALSE claims was heading for the rocks to fall yakata ![]() ![]() Hupernikao says Jesus his Trinity Gods is the angel of the lord ,according to Genesis 16:7-13 & Judges 6:11-22 & Judges 13:3-17. Bros, Jesus your "angel of the Lord" denial & DUBIOUS claims done cast. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:59pm On Jun 15, 2021 |
God's word is not to be studied for argument sake rather it's to be understood so that we can apply what we're learning to benefit ourselves! Isaiah 48:17-18 But when we're only arguing without getting a positive result in any gathering of people then it's of no use studying it at all! 2Timothy 3:5 ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 11:58pm On Jun 15, 2021 |
Janosky: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: false jw janosky oh duh dum dum fraud, michael is one of the chief angels, one of the head angels, one of the first angels, one of the foremost angels, oh fraud jw twister of truth laugh, there is no fool like a know nothing fool truly mumu the bible doesn't indicate that there is only one chief angel as you and other false jw's preach but the opposite is true Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. 2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. ^^ denying the Lord: saying He is a created angel, even though it's very clear that the Word of God created everything that is created nothing was created without Him Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. the reason you false jw's don't post all the verses is because many of them don't relate to what you say, such frauds and deceivers u say: who is the serpent who defeated the serpent satan bears diffrent names gibberish gibberish gibberish for proof ha ha ha, you all taught by the same mob in the beginning the Word created everything: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. in the beginning God created everything: Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. of course u fraud jw janosky and other false jw's do the twist big time on all of these God's word |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 2:07pm On Jun 16, 2021 |
johnw47: Daniel 10:13-15 1599 Geneva Bible 13 "But the [a]prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but lo, Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia Footnotes Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels." Mumu fraud JohnW says "one of the head angels",as if many "head angels" exists in the angelic ranks. ![]() ![]() Hupernikao your Trinity Crew member says Jesus his Trinity God of old testament is "angel of the Lord" @Genesis 16:7 & Judges 6:11-14 & 13:3-17. ![]() JohnW GIBBERISH on this thread is of ZERO value since 1599. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 2:58pm On Jun 16, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: ![]() ![]() Agreed. Objective scrutiny of the points made on this thread has exposed the GIBBERISH and FALSE DOCTRINES posited by Hupernikao & his crew members on this thread. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:58pm On Jun 16, 2021 |
What hupernikao don't know is that the book (Bible) is for everyone to read through and start developing his/her own point. Surely each person will see himself making sound comments and quoting verses to support himself. But where an insane is saying things that appears to make sense, his seemingly sound opinion will never be applicable in any human society or gathering. Yet he will continue to argue as his cohorts hail him but what have they achieved? Well it's arguments! arguments!! arguments!!! Nothing works out any benefits in the gathering of fools! ![]() Janosky: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 6:33pm On Jun 16, 2021 |
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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 11:47pm On Jun 16, 2021 |
Janosky: oh duh know nothing false jw janosky, you find one persons footnotes that agree with you and that's your proof, u such a fraud, aren't you Janosky: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: oh duh duh duh heap big dum dum, "one of the head angels", "one of the chief angels", nothing wrong with that truth, you have absolutely nothing at all, u full of mumu gibberish Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Janosky: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: oh so confused fraud jw, like i said the reason you don't post the verses is because they have nothing to do with what you say or what i said, and like i keep saying and you keep showing is that you mob can never stop lying, can u phony 1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 11:59pm On Jun 16, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Bro, this is not the reason you created the thread. Keep focus on the thread. You call it Bible study. But you are not resulting to gist and gossip. Don't loose focus. Let's study ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 12:00am On Jun 17, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: puffed up false jw mad max now that's u who said these: Maximus69: and u who speak of your wife like this for all to read: Maximus69: Maximus69: Maximus69: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: false jw mad max, there is no more a insane fool that yourself, oh heap big hypocrite like your daddy the devil: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 12:01am On Jun 17, 2021 |
Janosky: You must be riding on a blue moon. Lol. Scrutiny? By who? You better keep your jotting well from my explanation. Hold it like eternal life because it will save your soul one day. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 12:13am On Jun 17, 2021 |
Janosky: Is it that you have started bearing false witness or just a problem of not reading properly. 1. Where did you see from any of my post, whether in time past or even future that I said or will say Jesus is angel of the lord? Don't let me see you as mischievous. 2. Point to where I "yab" your organisation as a body or even you lot collectively or group here. I copied all your folk in a single post so as not to be repeating myself. What I did for you is to put you in a classroom of reasoning, so that you can all reason together the scriptures and make adjustment. And I have already seen how it profit you now. It seems you cant differentiate between defending doctrine and organization. You better be reading well so that you won't be taken as a liar. When you misquote people or deliberately say what they don't say, it makes you a false witness. Now, go and revisit the notes you took from my explanation. My points were very clear there on the Jesus yesterday, today and forever. Finally, I am amazed that you all decided to turn the thread to a gist center. Why not just go and check your doctrine side by side what I presented to you and make adjustments instead of turning the thread to a beer parlour. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 12:33am On Jun 17, 2021 |
Maximus69: Janosky: ^^ false jw's, all immoral, lying and insane laughing fools Rev_21:8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 1:03am On Jun 17, 2021 |
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: |
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