Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
They aren't twisting the scriptures, they're just confused. If we all adhere to the laws given to the nation of Israel then what exactly are we trying to uphold? Note that the laws separated the nation from all other races! Exodus 19:5-6
So the nation given this laws were to become a nation of priests unto God. It was their failure that led to the establishment of another covenant {Jeremiah 31:31-33} the new covenant is mediated by Christ Jesus and it has nothing to do with the first covenant. Whoever comes into the new covenant has no business with the first anymore.
Now the laws places the nation of Israel above all other races (including all these novices ignorantly advocating for those laws) but the law of Christ makes all peoples equal, that's why the Jews themselves hated Jesus with a passion. Because the Jews don't want to take anyone who has not come into the first covenant as their neighbour {Luke 10:25-37} while he was bridging the gab between Jews and all other races! Matthew 5:43-48
Whoever is found wanting in any of those laws must be stoned to death, but David was guilty of 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th Commandments.
So let's say we are all following these laws, do you think any of these novices can survive these laws?
Well let them leave Nigeria for Saudi Arabia where strict laws are upheld then they will know what they're ignorantly advocating!
The Mosaic laws doesn't give any room for failure or defaulters {Numbers 15:32-36} that's what Jesus was telling them about MERCY and LOVE!

Ever8090:

that is how they twist the scriptures for reasons best known to them...

Splinz:

It's fine. What matters is that we're learning. As for the bold, please keep it that way. The instruction is to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). So you do well.



Like you said at the end, the usage is "in order". Here: "All scripture is inspired by God" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Many thanks.

Same to you. May we be found faithfull and blameless at the end.

awitness41:


I don't know what you mean exactly...

I can tell you I was a massive sinner in my former life, and that God broke me down mightily and and built me back up... not according to my human-side's way, but according to His Way, through His Word, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

We all have a human side (the flesh - our mental, physical, and emotional states), also sometimes called the "self" (as in self-ishness).
We also each have the Spirit of Life that God and Jesus put in each one of us (or else our flesh would just be a bag of molecules with no ability to breathe or think or have a heart beat).
But the Spirit within us must be fed God's Word in order to become the Parent over our human side.
If we do that, we will have Proper Order within us: our human side subject to our Spirit which is subject to God.
That basically means we won't live by doing "whatever we feel like" or "physically desire", but will have self-control (or control-of-the-self).
Then we, led by our Spirit connected to the Holy Spirit, God's Word, and prayer, can continue to grow as a branch on the Vine of Jesus.
Peter says it wonderfully, when he says we should start out with faith and add to it the steps to get to True Love... faith, goodness, knowledge, self-control, perserverance, godliness, brotherly kindness, and Love.
That is a growing Christian Walk !

"Speaking The Truths in our hearts Alway"

awitness41:

But certainly, Dtruthspeaker, I consider myself a brother/friend/colleague of yours in the Spiritual sense of the word anyway.

you were immediately my brother when you said these sweet right things and the fact that you were Right-Fully speaking from the Stand Point of one versed in the history, operation and scope of Law, made my joy boundless.

For I have been seeking and waiting for lawyers to come corroborate these Truths of God's Laws, their History, Operation, Scope and all the matters which they rightfully and indisputably cover.

But I know that many of them are Under the Curse of Luke 11 and guilty as the world and school trained us to be, hence they have serious difficulty in proclaiming and standing for Righteousness/Rightness.

But any who declareth The Truth of The Law, is my brother.

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
They aren't twisting the scriptures,

Thank you for joining us to speak The Truth in your heart, today and for standing up against false accusation.!

MaxInDHouse:

they're just confused. If we all adhere to the laws given to the nation of Israel then what exactly are we trying to uphold? Note that the laws separated the nation from all other races! Exodus 19:5-6

Then you did not understand God's Plan to save man through Abraham for Deuteronomy 30:11-14 clearly tells that God Directly gave it Abraham's Seed so they would not have to IMPORT THE LAWS BUT EXPORT IT!

Conversely, we are the ones who are supposed to import them, if we want for as Proven by The Laws themselves, there is No Righteouser Law above them or near them as Confirmed by Deuteronomy 4:8.

That is our Law Full Basis for the Application of The Laws upon us.

awitness41:


That's True... there was:

(1) God's Moral Law (the 10 Commandments, founded on the 2 Most Important Commandments).
The Moral Law is as eternal as God is, for where there is good vs evil, evil could not even be defined as evil without Law.

(2) The civil and religious ritual laws for the Jewish society to live by.

So there is the Moral Law and the civil/religious ritual law.

The Law of Moses contains both of course, but the Moral Law existed long before there was anything such as a Jew.
Adam wasn't Jewish, Noah wasn't Jewish, and Abraham himself wasn't Jewish for the first 99 years of his 175-year life.
But God said Noah was "righteous". Therefore he did not perish along with the unrighteous, but was Saved (as Peter reminds us also).
God also said that Abraham "obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
In fact, the Fourth Commandment regarding the Sabbath Day, even says animals are to be rested on the 7th day. Are animals Jewish?
So when God gave The Commandments to the Jews, they were only reminders to them of God's Moral Law.
In fact, even before He wrote them down on stone for them, God tested the Jews in the desert regarding the Sabbath Day (Exodus 16:22-30).
When some of them broke the 7th day of rest, God said, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?"
Obviously the Jews knew about God's Moral Law beforehand.
As did Abraham. As did Noah. As did Adam (who probably sinned much less than any of us).
God's writing it down on stone was merely a reminder for the sake of the Covenant.
Exodus 34:27-28 (NKJV): "27 Then the Lord said to Moses, 'Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a
covenant with you and with Israel.' 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water.
And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

Regarding the civil/religious laws, much of the Law of Moses deals with the religious devotional rules surrounding priests, feasts, sacrifices, and rituals (like circumcision).
Whoever says we still need to keep these things doesn't understand:
(a) priests - Jesus is our only High Priest now.
(b) feasts - Many of the feasts were to be held in Jerusalem, which was destroyed in 70 AD.
Jesus Himself said to the woman at the well in John 4:21-24 (NKJV):
21 “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth;
for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
(c) sacrifices - It would be an abomination to still have animal sacrifices after Christ's death, because He WAS our Sacrifical Lamb.
(d) rituals - If one still wants to be circumcised, they can be. It won't make them a Jew, though. Per Paul, 1 Corinthians 7:19 (NKJV):
"Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters."

So finally... there is the civil portion of Moses Law, of which many are an extension of the 10 Commandments.
For example, consider all the rules surrounding sexual immorality.
Are they not mere extensions related to Commandment #7, adultery? Yes.
Jesus Himself does this for us also in Matthew 5, regarding "do not murder" and "do not commit adultery".
Jesus extends them to all the behaviors they actually include.
"Do not murder" means more than "do not stick a sword in someone's ribs"; it includes all forms of name-calling and self-righteous anger.
"Do not commit adultery" also means do not lust or divorce.
And all the 10 Commandments are like this.
"Do not steal"... Jesus tells the Pharisees to keep the weightier matters of the Law (mercy, justice, faith); but still, to not neglect to tithe.
In Malachi, we are told that failing to tithe is robbing from God, which means "do not steal" is not just stealing stuff or services, but
but also includes tithing (to help share God's Word or to give to those in need).
"Do not use the Lord's Name in vain"... also means not speaking His name lightly or frivolously.
"Do not covet"... also means not participating in the many inwardly and outwardly destructive behaviors that stem from using this world's superficial and wrongful measures to define ourselves. Instead of pride, selfishness, vanity, and comparison driving a desire for approval, riches, status, power, or other exaltation, we shall be content with God's providence and His measure of us only.
And so on.

I wish you all well in the Lord.

Another Accurate Truth. It is Beautiful!

Splinz:


You do well sir.

How I wish they could come to the understanding of these two, and rightly divide them as workmen without shame (2 Timothy 2:15).

It's embarrassing to see some people, each time the Law comes up, grouped it as one and same as the civil and "works of the law" (Galatians 3:10) that governed the Levitical priesthood which was abolished, and then totals it as 600+ laws which must be kept.

It's even more embarrassing for one who claims to be a Christian, to confidently states that a Law like the Ten Commandments has been abolished. I mean how can one be a Christian and does not even know that he/she will be judged by the same Law he claims has been abolished? A Law called the "law of liberty" (James 2:11-12).

Thank you for what you're doing, and to others. I think justice has been done to this thread, and it will be of immense benefit to those who seeks the truth. Well done.

Very Well Said!

Dtruthspeaker:

Thank you for joining us to speak The Truth in your heart, today and for standing up against false accusation.!

You guys only thought you're in support of God's word but in reality you're complicating issues for yourselves and others! Romans 10:2-4

Then you did not understand God's Plan to save man through Abraham for Deuteronomy 30:11-14 clearly tells that God Directly gave it Abraham's Seed so they would not have to IMPORT THE LAWS BUT EXPORT IT!

The trace of Abraham's seed began from Isaac that's why God told Abraham that Ishmael (Abraham's first son) is not inclusive when talking about this plan {Genesis 17:18-21} this promise is what Jacob dubiously collected from Esau {Genesis 25:27-34} so it has nothing to do with you a black man from Africa!
That's what Jesus tried to preserve for only the descendants of Jacob "the Israelites" {Matthew 10:6, 15:24,26-27} Jesus later told the Jews who thought it's the old covenant that's to be exported that the proselytes they're making for the Mosaic laws will perish along with them if they failed to accept the new covenant! Matthew 23:15
So Christianity has nothing to do with the Old Covenant along with it's Commandments, Jesus is the New Commandments God is giving mankind in general. The Old Covenant along with it's Commandments was to keep the Israelites together as a prepared people for the perfect law of Faith which is Jesus Christ.

Conversely, we are the ones who are supposed to import them, if we want for as Proven by The Laws themselves, there is No Righteouser Law above them or near them as Confirmed by Deuteronomy 4:8.
That is our Law Full Basis for the Application of The Laws upon us.

God has no business with you with regards to the Ten Commandments or the 613 given to the Israelites, the only connection between the gentiles and God is Christianity which has nothing to do with the Old Covenant or it's Commandments, our connection with the true God is direct through faith in Jesus.
For your information, the first step anyone has to take before God recognize you as an adherent of those obsolete Commandments is Circumcision {Genesis 17:9-14} but in Christianity it's been overruled! Act 15:6-11,28-29
That's why the Churches are confused because the church fathers don't know how to apply these laws unknowingly that it has been cancelled after the death of Jesus!
So if anyone wants to know the Commandments of Jesus who is our new Moses {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} all you need to do is study the Bible with the Holy Ones and you'll become fully competent and completely equipped {2Timothy 3:16-17} to handle God's word to change people's hearts! 2Timothy 2:15 compare to Hebrews 4:12
You can never find any group of worshipers practicing Christianity with LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering except JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization because that's the one and only place where the Holy Ones are gathered {Luke 17:37} they are the ones teaching us how to practice Christianity in the right sense, that's why you will never find any Organization presentable as true Christians where all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit is working out what is benefitial among imperfect, sinful descendants of Adam!
Of course you will notice flaws in their midst because they're imperfect humans but LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL will always be noticed only in their gathering because of the presence of God's Holy Spirit in their midst! Galatians 5:22-23 compare to Matthew 7:16-18

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:

Whoever is found wanting in any of those laws must be stoned to death, but David was guilty of 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th Commandments.
So let's say we are all following these laws, do you think any of these novices can survive these laws?
Well let them leave Nigeria for Saudi Arabia where strict laws are upheld then they will know what they're ignorantly advocating!
The Mosaic laws doesn't give any room for failure or defaulters {Numbers 15:32-36} that's what Jesus was telling them about MERCY and LOVE!

It's shocking that you're still confusing the Mosaic laws with the Ten Commandments, still not knowing the difference.

Now let's go with your line of thought here:

Whoever is found wanting in any of those laws must be stoned to death, but David was guilty of 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th Commandments.

So when David for example broke the 7th commandment by going in to Bathsheba, was David stoned to death? Oh, perhaps David committed suicide. Or do you by any chance know what happened to him or what he did after breaking that law?

1 John 2:1: "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". And "sin is the breaking of the law" (1 John 3:4). So here's apostle John saying, that though he wishes no one to continue in sin (breaking the law), but just in case it happens, Christians are assured of an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, through whom we can plead for mercy and forgiveness. And we also see that when David broke the 7th commandment, he was neither stoned nor killed, but asked for mercy and forgiveness which God granted him (Psalm 51).

Brother, it's quite embarrassing that you still sees the Law as lacking in love and mercy. Even when God, same God you claimed to know and a "witness" to, is saying, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3). With the Ten Commandments, there's nothing like burden, grieve and harshness, but love, love and love again.

So quit the cheap blackmails already, you who is no novice but a pro and master of the word.

Splinz:

It's shocking that you're still confusing the Mosaic laws with the Ten Commandments, still not knowing the difference.
Now let's go with your line of thought here:
So when David for example broke the 7th commandment by going in to Bathsheba, was David stoned to death? Oh, perhaps David committed suicide. Or do you by any chance know what happened to him or what he did after breaking that law?
1 John 2:1: "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". And "sin is the breaking of the law" (1 John 3:4). So here's apostle John saying, that though he wishes no one to continue in sin (breaking the law), but just in case it happens, Christians are assured of an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, through whom we can plead for mercy and forgiveness. And we also see that when David broke the 7th commandment, he was neither stoned nor killed, but asked for mercy and forgiveness which God granted him (Psalm 51).
Brother, it's quite embarrassing that you still sees the Law as lacking in love and mercy. Even when God, same God you claimed to know and a "witness" to, is saying, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3). With the Ten Commandments, there's nothing like burden, grieve and harshness, but love, love and love again.
So quit the cheap blackmails already, you who is no novice but a pro and master of the word.

You tried with your explanation but let's dig deeper into God's word and reason along with the Author! Isaiah 1:18

Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!
Jesus' teachings is written in his words, thought and actions. So he is not commanding his followers without giving them a reason and telling them the practical benefits of what he asked them to do.

In a nutshell the verse you're quoting wasn't referring to the Ten Commandments but Jesus' teachings which has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments.
All those laws were summed up in just two laws: LOVE God and your neighbour! Mark 12:28-31
For instance a monthly salary earner whose work is shifting can't determine the day he will be at work because it's fixed on the period of shifts.
So how do you expect him to keep the Sabbath?
Jesus explained that our Sabbath should be between us and God which means you can choose when to go for worship since some Christians will meet either Saturday or Sunday and your brothers in Christ will understand that it's the nature of your job that determines which day you'll be with this congregation or the other congregation. But if it must be static then you have to quit that job for another!
Nurses, Doctors, Traffic wardens, Fire fighters and so on can't close completely on Sabbath because their services may be needed on Saturday (Sabbath) So if everyone is keeping the Sabbath which is part of the Ten Commandments what do you think will happen?

Please Christianity is not about COMMANDS but reasoning on how best we can Love God and neighbours! Matthew 11:28-31

May you have PEACE!

Hmmm Teachers everywhere
The Law had been in the heart of man and engraved in his mind via Freewill since creation. This is why you feel bad when you do evil and wish to repent like Cain when he killed his brother. You are also happy and have Peace with your Creator when you do good like Abel.

Books didn't give you the law first, it was first engraved in your heart. The Creator gave man the right to choose between good and evil. Life and death. Man choosed death by eaten from a tree he was told not to eat from. He was given a law, a right and a wrong but he choosed the wrong. He broke the law and brought death to all. Sin is the transgression of the Law and the Soul that sinneth shall die.

So the Law was since Adam but in our heart before they gave you books. And when all is said and done, you will no longer need books. We go back to the begining as in Paradise when it will be written in our hearts.

All these law preachers and keepers don start again ....make we kukuma talk say the rest of the 603 laws also existed in the garden of eden abi?

You don't know the law of MOSES but you want to teach it? Don't you understand the law is ONE IN A PACKAGE? That's why break one you break all. Also, there's NOWHERE IN GENESIS TO REVELATION that the law was categorized into moral, ceremonial and etc....you break one you break all, its a one whole package delivered to Moses.

Yes sin is breaking the law ....THAT'S ONLY IF A LAW IS IN FORCE. Na Bible talk am ooo no be me but you can also sin where there's no law which in the case of eden was disbelief.....WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN.

MaxInDHouse:


Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!

1 John 5:3 refutes this shameless lie. I don't know how you manage to do it, but...

MaxInDHouse:

In a nutshell the verse you're quoting wasn't referring to the Ten Commandments but Jesus' teachings which has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments.

Let's prove it (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

"If you would enter into life, keep the commandments", Jesus answered a man who asked what he must do to have eternal life (Matthew 19:16-17). And the man, wanting to be sure without confusion like what's going on now with you, asked, "Which ones"?. And immediately, Jesus began to name the Ten Commandments one after the other (verse 18 & 19).

Jesus teachings has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments? Another lie.

MaxInDHouse:

For instance a monthly salary earner whose work is shifting can't determine the day he will be at work because it's fixed on the period of shifts.
So how do you expect him to keep the Sabbath?

Human wisdom.

Have you not read and see how God provided enough bread for His people, to cover what they would have lose for keeping the Sabbath holy?

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. (Exodus 16:29)

With God everything is possible (Matthew 19:17).

Please, embrace the wisdom of God.

MaxInDHouse:

Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!

So A Command to Do Love such as "Love The Lord thy God with All thy heart..." Has no Love in it?

Ok. After all you are just exercising your natural right.

Splinz:

1 John 5:3 refutes this shameless lie. I don't know how you manage to do it, but...

This verse is referring to Jesus' teachings not the Old Covenant Sir!

Let's prove it (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
"If you would enter into life, keep the commandments", Jesus answered a man who asked what he must do to have eternal life (Matthew 19:16-17). And the man, wanting to be sure without confusion like what's going on now with you, asked, "Which ones"?. And immediately, Jesus began to name the Ten Commandments one after the other (verse 18 & 19).
Jesus teachings has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments? Another lie.

Jesus addressed a Jew who wants to gain everlasting life, whoever has gained the accurate knowledge of the Old Testament will know that it can't give life, that's why Moses told them that the prophet who will teach them how to gain everlasting life will still come {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} definitely everlasting life has nothing to do with what will lead the Israelites to the prophet that will teach them because those who has nothing to do with those Commandments received the gift of God's Holy Spirit as EVIDENCES that those Commandments aren't needed to gain life. Act 10:45

So if the Commandments are compulsory then those who never kept it can't have access to the gift that only belongs to those in line for everlasting life!

Human wisdom.
Have you not read and see how God provided enough bread for His people, to cover what they would have lose for keeping the Sabbath holy? With God everything is possible (Matthew 19:17).
Please, embrace the wisdom of God.

So how many of them remained with him after he began teaching them what will lead them to everlasting life? John 6:61-66

Well you may PRESENT a group of people who are claiming Christians and keeping the ten commandments perhaps there are one or two things everyone can learn from the way they're practicing their own Christianity! Matthew 5:13-16

Dtruthspeaker:

So A Command to Do Love such as "Love The Lord thy God with All thy heart..." Has no Love in it?
Ok. After all you are just exercising your natural right.

Come on Buddhists, Muslims, Traditionalists, Judaists all love their Gods but can you prove the love of their God in their gathering?

MaxInDHouse:

...so it has nothing to do with you a black man from Africa!

As Deuteronomy 4:8 Confirms that these are the Righteousest Laws on earth, and Deuteronomy 32 says "Give ear... and hear, O earth".

I therefore give ear and I therefore hear and I therefore Import The Doctrines and Speech of The Lord into my house and home as He Had delivered to Israel.

You can reject them and say Deuteronomy 30:11 "it is far off" from you. That is within your right.

MaxInDHouse:

For your information, the first step anyone has to take before God recognize you as an adherent of those obsolete Commandments is Circumcision {Genesis 17:9-14} but in Christianity it's been overruled! Act 15:6-11,28-29

Be in not a lawyer, you do not know what "overule" is, exactly as a mechanic can not know the difference between "orbiter dicta and stare decisis"!

So you are speaking about things you know not about, layman.

MaxInDHouse:


Come on Buddhists, Muslims, Traditionalists, Judaists all love their Gods but can you prove the love of their God in their gathering?

Change of Post! And Proof of the Fact that you can now see that you did not speak well in saying
"Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!"

Case Closed!

Dtruthspeaker:

As Deuteronomy 4:8 Confirms that these are the Righteousest Laws on earth, and Deuteronomy 32 says "Give ear... and hear, O earth". I therefore give ear and I therefore hear and I therefore Import The Doctrines and Speech of The Lord into my house and home as He Had delivered to Israel. You can reject them and say Deuteronomy 30:11 "it is far off" from you. That is within your right. Be in not a lawyer, you do not know what "overule" is, exactly as a mechanic can not know the difference between "orbiter dicta and stare decisis"! So you are speaking about things you know not about, layman.

OK can you PRESENT a group of people who understands it? So that people can learn from the way they're practically applying it Sir?

Dtruthspeaker:

Change of Post! And Proof of the Fact that you can now see that you did not speak well in saying
"Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!"
Case Closed!

Muslims were given Commandments from their God and the world can SEE the outcome of the COMMANDMENTS of their God.
Of course they also claims their God is a God of LOVE nah!

MaxInDHouse:

Muslims were given Commandments from their God and the world can SEE the outcome of the COMMANDMENTS of their God.
Of course they also claims their God is a God of LOVE nah!

Change of Post! And Proof of the Fact that you can now see that you did not speak well in saying
"Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!"
Case Closed!

OK nah!

Dtruthspeaker:

Change of Post! And Proof of the Fact that you can now see that you did not speak well in saying
"Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!"
Case Closed!

MaxInDHouse:

This verse is referring to Jesus' teachings not the Old Covenant Sir!

Says someone who doesn't know what the OT is and who made it, or who even inspired the verse.

By the way, do you know what happened to David when he broke the Law? I was hoping to hear from you on that. Seems he committed suicide or he was stoned to death?

The one and only MaxInDHouse!

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus addressed a Jew who wants to gain everlasting life, whoever has gained the accurate knowledge of the Old Testament will know that it can't give life, that's why Moses told them that the prophet who will teach them how to gain everlasting life will still come {Deuteronomy 18:15-18}.

But seeing all you've written here, you don't seems to have a grasp of what the OT is. Sorry.

Indeed, Moses did prophesied that a prophet will come who will teach people how to gain everlasting life, and that prophecy was about non other than Jesus. We've also seen that Jesus did indeed came and taught, as seen in Matthew 19:16-19, how to gain eternal life.

So tell me, what's really your problem with the truth? I mean, you're averse to it. Could it be a case of indoctrination, cherished traditions, predetermined ideas or all of them? It must be at least one of them. I think at this point, you may want to examine yourself (2 Corinthians 13:5).

MaxInDHouse:

Well you may PRESENT a group of people who are claiming Christians and keeping the ten commandments perhaps there are one or two things everyone can learn from the way they're practicing their own Christianity! Matthew 5:13-16

Hmm. If I do that, will you embrace the truth? What if I'm one of such group, are you saying you can't learn anything from me?

Dtruthspeaker:


Change of Post! And Proof of the Fact that you can now see that you did not speak well in saying
"Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!"
Case Closed!

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that unfortunate statement, honestly. How can someone say that, moreso a supposed follower of God?

Is he saying that God is unloving when He said we should not steal, kill, covet another's property, abstain from idols etc? Will it rather be a very loving thing to MaxInDHouse to kill, steal, commit adultery with someone else's wife, bear false witness against another, worship idols etc?

It's the height of it. What a dangerous thing to say!

awitness41:
The Law existed even in the Garden of Eden, for “where there is no law there is no transgression” (Romans 4:15).
Was there transgression in Eden ? Yes.
Was it wrong too for Cain to murder Abel ? Yes.
So there was the Law.
We know about Adam and Eve, but did you know God also warned Cain about sin beforehand, saying,
“If you do well, will you not be accepted ?
And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door.
And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” (Genesis 4:7)
How could there be such a thing as sin if the Law was not in effect at that time ?
Pick any Commandment from God's Law.
Which one would it have been right for Cain to transgress ?
None, just like today.
God's Moral Law, the 10 Commandments, is still in effect today.
Is there sin and transgression today ? Yes.
Therefore, there is God's Law being broken.
The Old Covenant Jewish Law regarding priests, feasts, sacrifices, and rituals like circumcision is not in effect since Jesus sealed the New Covenant in His Blood.
But God's Law is, and has always been, in effect.
And we must keep it by first obeying the 2 Most Important Commandments - to Love God and others as ourself.

So how did the law on adultery exist in the garden of Eden if Adam & Eve were the only humans existing in that garden at that point in time?

If going by your logic the 10 commandments were given to them too?

Exodus 20 v 14 - Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Let’s not also forget the law on “Honour your father & MOTHER” - Exodus 20 v 12. Please how does this apply to Adam & Eve? Who be their mama abeg?

Oh by the way, since the other laws are now nailed to the cross, can people go about committing bestiality and incest? Since these are not covered under the 10 commandments…


I bow for una ooo

Una just dey parade hilarious doctrines for this nairaland.

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One scripture for these law freaks

1 Timothy 1 v 5 - 10;

5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

OkCornel:

So how did the law on adultery exist in the garden of Eden if Adam & Eve were the only humans existing in that garden at that point in time?

If going by your logic the 10 commandments were given to them too?

Exodus 20 v 14 - Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Let’s not also forget the law on “Honour your father & MOTHER” - Exodus 20 v 12. Please how does this apply to Adam & Eve? Who be their mama abeg?

Oh by the way, since the other laws are now nailed to the cross, can people go about committing bestiality and incest? Since these are not covered under the 10 commandments…
I bow for una ooo
Una just dey parade hilarious doctrines for this nairaland.

I chose to dust the dirt off my sandals on these ones here so I can move on to those who matter more.

Splinz:


I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that unfortunate statement, honestly. How can someone say that, moreso a supposed follower of God?

Is he saying that God is unloving when He said we should not steal, kill, covet another's property, abstain from idols etc? Will it rather be a very loving thing to MaxInDHouse to kill, steal, commit adultery with someone else's wife, bear false witness against another, worship idols etc?

It's the height of it. What a dangerous thing to say!

that is max for you, he could be shockingly electrical

Splinz:

Says someone who doesn't know what the OT is and who made it, or who even inspired the verse. By the way, do you know what happened to David when he broke the Law? I was hoping to hear from you on that. Seems he committed suicide or he was stoned to death? The one and only MaxInDHouse!

If the Commandments are to be followed accordingly David supposed to killed either for desiring his neighbours wife {10th laws} for sleeping with his neighbours wife {7th} for killing his neighbour {6th} or for plotting against an innocent soul {9th} God didn't kill David! Rather he was reproved, trouble started in his house and the son that came due to the adultry died. While David continue as King over the people despite his gross misconduct.
So MERCY comes due to the LOVE of God not the Commandments that's showing people what will later happen to those who continue in that practice when God's Kingdom come! Galatians 5:19-21

But seeing all you've written here, you don't seems to have a grasp of what the OT is. Sorry.
Indeed, Moses did prophesied that a prophet will come who will teach people how to gain everlasting life, and that prophecy was about non other than Jesus. We've also seen that Jesus did indeed came and taught, as seen in Matthew 19:16-19, how to gain eternal life.

The OT teaches the Israelites what God's Kingdom will not permit but Jesus taught his followers how to live forever in Paradise! So an adherent of the OT still needs to learn from Jesus but a dedicated followers of Christ don't need reciting the Commandments because he will never be found guilty as long as he continues to imitate the PERFECT son of God! Luke 18:18-23

So tell me, what's really your problem with the truth? I mean, you're averse to it. Could it be a case of indoctrination, cherished traditions, predetermined ideas or all of them? It must be at least one of them. I think at this point, you may want to examine yourself (2 Corinthians 13:5).

The truth is Jesus {John 14:6} anyone who has come to know Jesus have seen all the attributes of the true God {John 14:8-9} such a person needs not start going through the OT once he has met with the perfect son of the Person who said "This is my beloved son, learn (all you need to know about me) from him" Matthew 17:5
So while all those who never heard of Jesus still needs to undergo a training session to leaen all the attributes of the owner of Paradise, a true Christian doesn't need the prerequisites those people knew about God because their knowledge of Him is incomplete! Matthew 11:11 compare to John 1:18

Hmm. If I do that, will you embrace the truth? What if I'm one of such group, are you saying you can't learn anything from me?

You're just another imperfect human on social media, whose attributes can't be measured just through what you're typing here, but a group of people known in the community is enough for whoever wants to know the attributes of their God! Isaiah 43:10-12; Matthew 5:13-16, 7:16-18; Act 1:8
So instead of talking and talking and talking, just present a group practicing what you want to say, SEEING them alone will prove that truly you have come to know the true God! John 13:34-35

Splinz:

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that unfortunate statement, honestly. How can someone say that, moreso a supposed follower of God?
Is he saying that God is unloving when He said we should not steal, kill, covet another's property, abstain from idols etc? Will it rather be a very loving thing to MaxInDHouse to kill, steal, commit adultery with someone else's wife, bear false witness against another, worship idols etc?
It's the height of it. What a dangerous thing to say!

You need to know the in-depth analysis of the word "COMMAND" it doesn't give room for reasoning! I am an ex soldier, the word "COMMAND" is weighty in the ears of a soldier. So when you say COMMANDMENTS know that it could only work side by side with LOVE when you've come to know the Commander perfectly {Matthew 28:20} as long as you've not known the heart of the one commanding you then LOVE is excluded. That's why God's word says that he who has not come to know God can't love {1John 4:8} and there's no way you can know God if you have not met with his son {John 17:3} so while the laws instilled in the heart of the Israelites what God will not permit in His Kingdom, Jesus taught us why we must love his father who is not cruel the way those laws made them feel about Him!

OkCornel:
One scripture for these law freaks

1 Timothy 1 v 5 - 10;

5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Legal Translation! "Now the destination of the Commandments is Charity... (End in Law means "Purpose and Goal" which is what Law'er Paul knew and said"

OkCornel:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

When did they turn aside?
Answer= Romans 10:2; (established their own laws of righteousness) Mark 7:8 (Laying Aside the Commandment of God)

OkCornel:

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Again Use of Law is determined by the Law itself!

OkCornel:

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient,..

Since the Law is shepherding souls to righteousness, so how then can it have effect against he who is righteous?

Shoemaker wey tink say e be lawyer, na for prison ihn go know say ihn be Compound Fool!

Dtruthspeaker:


that is max for you, he could be shockingly electrical

Dtruthspeaker:


Legal Translation! "Now the destination of the Commandments is Charity... (End in Law means "Purpose and Goal" which is what Law'er Paul knew and said"



When did they turn aside?
Answer= Romans 10:2; (established their own laws of righteousness) Mark 7:8 (Laying Aside the Commandment of God)



Again Use of Law is determined by Law!



Since the Law is shepherding souls to righteousness, so how then can it have effect against he who is righteous?

Shoemaker wey tink say e be lawyer, na for prison ihn go know say ihn be Fool!

Like the Idiot who went defending himself at his own murder trial and bungled his case, no be death be that?

Fly wey no hear advice must follow dead body enter grave, dem no dey hear!

Plumber wey think say im no Law pass Lawer, it would have been amusing if it weren't a matter of Life and Death!