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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 6:42pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet: He should be able to tell us the last of the apostles that handed over to their founding fathers. For where there are two OOOOOOOR three are gathered in the name of Jesus applies strictly to his religious leaders. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:46pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet:Of course the Roman Catholics claimed they're Christians but one thing is certain: Christians in the first century had nothing to do with Politics that's why those persecuting then had upper hand. The Christians made sure that all those under their supervision love the worldwide association of Christians so there is no way a Christian can say he belongs to so and so race then pick weapons to kill his fellow believers in other lands. Christians don't set some title men and women at the the cost of marital status. Peter was married so where did their Pope got the idea that marriage is wrong for those who are taking the lead in worship? ![]() Rev 22:18 (KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.Of course there were lots of changes even in the first century but whatever changes as long as it's what God's Holy Spirit taught them, they will enjoy the benefits! Matthew 7:16-18 One thing i noticed in you is how Apostates behave, you want to continue associating with JWs but you don't want to subject yourself to our norms! Hebrews 13:7, 17 Well i wish you find some other group like the Catholics and continue your Christianity with them, as for JWs it's either you completely submit to whatever the Organization says or you go out there and worship elsewhere. ![]() We won't tolerate rebellious attitude in our gathering! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11 ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 6:53pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: In essence, JW is just another christian sect claiming to be "the only way" to salvation, but they're not, Jesus is the only way and I will[b]do my best to follow him without any third party interference[/b] In essence definition: You use in essence to emphasize that you are talking about the most important or central Kajiko? |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 6:58pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: In essence ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 7:03pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: In your first point I want to clarify that I don't believe the Roman Catholic Church and Pope are the Peter Jesus handed keys of the kingdom to, neither do I agree your Governing body are currently holding the key. I believe Christians as a body holds the keys and not any organisation that claim to hold the keys. In your second point, since there's no proof that holy spirit directed the "new light" as you people like to say when you attempt to change the truth, it will be foolish for anyone to commit his eternal salvation to such a claim. You also said I behave like apostates, what churches call unbelievers and Muslims call infidels, I will like to say these terms are what all religions have in common, they don't tolerate any different point of view which is why there are so many hate and killings among religions. Only Jesus Christ is the road to salvation and not the Pope, Muhammed or the Governing body. I come in peace |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 7:05pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: The hammer is coming down gradually......... HOW APOSTATES BEHAVE |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 7:14pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet: The same mouth he used here is what he will use else where to say Jesus is the decider concerning who will be accepted or rejected. Ezekiel and the INKHORN palaver no dey quick wear off after years of teaching it. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:47pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet: You are free to choose any religion out there since you don't see any difference, what baffles me is what you meant by this statement: if I later see a need to resume going to any worship center JW will be my choice Please the one and only reason why we are what we are today is our GB, they are chosen by Jesus to gather his sheep under one Organization. So if you're not ready to subject yourself to the same line of thought please shift to other places, it's not by force that you should worship with us, you're not welcomed in our gathering! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 8:08pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Why I said I would prefer to go back to JWs is a personal choice, I still stand by it because anyone is free to join any association including cult groups. That Aside, I will not be controlled by anyone like your GB or any other organisation for that matter, my allegiance is to Jesus and Him alone because through Him I can have a relationship God. I can't be part of any system that cover up for child molesters |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:16pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet: So you want to stand by child molesters, shey? Walahi Talahi some people just like deceiving themselves big time! ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 8:28pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Am glad my inconsistencies on this particular point made me look stupid, but it's nothing compared to the inconsistencies in your teachings, I deliberately did it to prove a point and it worked |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:12pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
It's OK, thanks for your time and data! ![]() falseprophet: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 9:17pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 9:44pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet: Bros, Hebrews 13:7,17 dey your Bible? Your last sentence, your claim is FALSE. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 9:46pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You don't even know what it means to be born again, haha. Many christians including you think the first birth is when we were born to this world and when we accept Jesus we become born again! But the bible said in John 3:6 (KJV): That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. They have no connection at all! It means the first birth is a spiritual birth and the second birth is also a spiritual birth. John 3:5-6: 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, (E)unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is (F)flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again. Notice that Jesus was addressing Nicodemus, a Jewish Sanhedrin (teacher of the law). All Jews at the time were born into God's kingdom at mout Sinai through Moses which is basically the old covenant God had with the Jews, which is their first spiritual birth. Nicodemus being a teacher of the Jews should have been familiar with God's promise of a new covenant as prophesied in the book of Jeremiah and other prophets That's why verse 10 chastised him: 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? For the Jews to now enter the new covenant they must be "born again", just like the first birth at mout Sinai, but this time they'll be born of water and spirit. So technically if you're not a Jew or proselyte you can't be born again because you have not been born into God's household the first time. What about non-jews who wants to gain salvation? The bible also talked about the new birth in 2 Corinthians 5:17: Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. Galatians 6:15: For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. We are all learning and don't take this personal, I am a bible junkie and learnt this outside the watchtower teachings. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 9:46pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: He is DECEIVING himself big time ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 10:03pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
achorladey: Only Jehovah's Servants chosen to bear His name of would gather in the name of Jesus His Son, as JEHOVAH'S Servants always do. Because Jesus Christ their Exemplar is JEHOVAH'S Servant. That is what Acts 15:1-14 ( 2 Chro7:14), Hebrews 10:24-25 & 13:7,17 is all about. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:22pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
This thread will serve as an eye-opener for many to learn how they can read people's hearts when all you just need to do is make sure you're sincere while chatting with them! Hebrews 4:12 ![]() Janosky: 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 10:29pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet: 1. The account of Acts 15:2-8 dey your Bible? The Council in Jerusalem @ Acts 15:2-8 is a mirror of the Governing Body. Bros, no dull yourself. 2. Dedication is your personal promise to Jehovah God in prayer to disown yourself & continually follow the example of Jesus (the foremost servant of Jehovah God). Dedication includes your personal promise or vow to serve JEHOVAH with everything you have. Mark 8:34. Mark 12:29-30. Dedication takes place before baptism, public proof of your personal vow of dedication. So, the Israelites will dedicate house to Jehovah & they won't dedicate themselves to Jehovah the true God? |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:34pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
They came but after noticing JWs aren't ready for fruitless arguments on the thread they left. You've done enough to help many sincere people know how much harm the enemies of truth are cursing themselves! ![]() ©You've been to so many religious groups. ©Out of all your choicest is JWs. ©Hypocrisy is everywhere so you quit all. ©But if you're retuning you'll go back to JWs. ©They're molesters so you don't trust them. ©But you will worship with them anyway because they're your choice. You really made my day on this thread! ![]() falseprophet: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 10:37pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet: There were non Israelites who worshipped JEHOVAH in the old testament, it wasn't a spiritual birth. What is born of flesh is not spiritual birth. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:48pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
Do you think he need this? Matthew 7:6 Come on, he has exposed himself as a Serpent! Out of all the religions on this planet JWs is his choice but he will not worship with us heartily because we are molesters and molesters are his choice even above Deeperlife! ![]() JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, may God bless you guys for locating me! ![]() Janosky: 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 10:49pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet:You claim "Truth remains truth, it doesn't change". Bros,why are you not doing animal sacrifices? 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 10:57pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
Janosky: Those are proselytes, non-jews who converted to Judaism and became part of the old covenant, but they need to be born again into the new covenant of our Lord Jesus Christ. That which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit, they're not related |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 11:05pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
Janosky: Truth doesn't change, God told the Jews that He will raise another prophet just like Moses that will fulfill His promises. Deuteronomy 18:15 - The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. It was God's plan all along to make a new covenant with his people, when that new covenant came into force the old one seized to be in force which is why burnt offerings and tithe seized to be. Many Jews including present day Israelis rejected the new covenant, by doing so they refused to be born again into the new one and because of that they seized to be God's special nation. Indeed truth does not change, but JWs have found a way to change truth from time to time. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 11:09pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: I see my stand on some day returning to JW is unsettling you, Lols. I will come back when all my concerns are addressed, but that seems impossible for now but who knows, the new light might agree with my understanding you never can tell |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 11:25pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet: The truth changed- old covenant (animal sacrifices) to new covenant (no animal sacrifices). Is "New" not evidence of change? Where you born with your full set of teeth? Why do you have a full set of teeth now? Bros, Shey you understand? ![]() ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 11:34pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
Janosky: Your example is unrelated to the matter at hand and you seem disconnected and clueless about Bible, so I might no engage you in further discussion 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 11:41pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
falseprophet:New covenant.. is "New" not evidence of change? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:44am On Jul 02, 2021 |
You only need to know why there is always a NEW LIGHT in God's salvation plan for mankind. So i'll use this post to address the issue before i leave you. First of all you need to know the status of man before Jehovah God, He sees all of us as descendants of Adam (a rebel) so we must be tested to the limit. Note what JEHOVAH did when He brought the Israelites out of Egypt, this people never crossed the sea on their way to Egypt but on their return to Canaan God's Angel led them towards the Red Sea. Visualize yourself in their midst that faithful day, Moses is God's human representative they knew one on one and can see but the angel representing God they're seeing in the day as a pillar of cloud and a pillar of light at night. The Bible said God Himself is the one leading the Israelites, but why does He have to take them towards the Red Sea? Why not the safe passage they passed on their way to Egypt? Well the people began to murmur against Moses whom they know and can SEE but to JEHOVAH they were actually murmuring against Him! Today Mankind is in the same condition, Satan is the Pharaoh under whose captivity God wants to free us, mighty spirit beings (demons) and powerful human agents are all working with Satan. So how possible is it for Jehovah to get us safely to Paradise (the promise land) when we ourselves are imperfect sinful descendants of Adam? That's why God send the warning through His Prophet Zephaniah: "Before the decree takes effect, Before the day passes by like chaff, Before the burning anger of Jehovah comes upon you, Before the day of Jehovah’s anger comes upon you, Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger" Zephaniah 2:2-3 Do you think any Israelite who left Egypt can get to the promise land if such a person is not HUMBLE and FAITHFUL? How possible is it for a person who keeps complaining about their back and forth movement get to the promise land? Remember the Journey that's supposed to take God's people for 40 days took them 40 years due to their wandering in the wilderness! Well Jesus knew how difficult it will be for persons like you before he said: “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth" Matthew 5:5 So my friend, if truthfully your heart tell you that you've found something unique in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses, make sure you're 100% meek and keep that first love you had otherwise this arrogant attitude will make you loose what you saw when you left Deeperlife for Jehovah's Witnesses Organization! Luke 13:24 The faithful and discreet slave (Governing Body) are God's representatives on planet earth today, Jesus referred to them as "my brothers" {Matthew 25:31-46} whatever anyone says or does for them or against them has been noted by the angels. So if you join critics and start antagonizing them know now that you're making it harder for Moses to carry the burdens of a multitude from Egypt to Canaan so you will never reach the promise land! Matthew 25:45 But if you support them physically, financially, morally, actively and zealously Jesus is watching you, he promised that you will get to the promise land! Matthew 25:40 You conscientiously said: "if I later see a need to resume going to any worship center JW will be my choice" So stand by your conscience and stop judging Moses whom you yourself agreed that has want you've been looking for: the truth that you can't find in Deeperlife! ![]() falseprophet: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 6:21am On Jul 02, 2021 |
Janosky: The claim is always false all the time even when shown evidence ![]() ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 6:36am On Jul 02, 2021 |
falseprophet: You should have asked him to define "COVENANT and TRUTH". He wants to da iru mo sapa. No so im mode of operation be. |
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