falseprophet:


If we're to trace the apostolic succession from Peter it will lead us to Roman Catholic and Pope, this is supported by historical facts. They also teach from the bible.

About dedication, the self appointed faithful and descrete slave went beyond what was written.

Rev 22:18 (KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

You can try to use your carnal knowledge to defend false teachings all you want, but truth remains truth, it doesn't change except the so called JWs truth that changes with the passing of time

falseprophet:

If we're to trace the apostolic succession from Peter it will lead us to Roman Catholic and Pope, this is supported by historical facts. They also teach from the bible.
About dedication, the self appointed faithful and descrete slave went beyond what was written.

Rev 22:18 (KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
You can try to use your carnal knowledge to defend false teachings all you want, but truth remains truth, it doesn't change except the so called JWs truth that changes with the passing of time

MaxInDHouse:
You've said it all with the highlighted, thanks for your contribution Sir, may you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
You've said a lot but if i'm to summarize what you said i'll say:

Falseprophet has been on this planet for a while, he beleives in the existence of a supreme being (God) but he doesn't want to believe that God is using any group as His spokesman because hypocrisy is everywhere.
Yet he feels like worshiping God even though not within any gathering of hypocrites but if he should decide to continue worshiping due to Bible's injunction for believers to continue associating with one another {Hebrews 10:24-25} Mr Falseprophet will still go for his choice JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Matthew 5:13-16

I don't want to stress you further with questions since you've decided on what you want to believe, otherwise i'll have proved to you that you can't worship with JWs without accepting all the norms, so it's better you stay on your own and continue worshiping your God based on what you've learned from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, but mind you our God will never ever recognize you as one of His worshipers!

MaxInDHouse:

Of course the Roman Catholics claimed they're Christians but one thing is certain:
Christians in the first century had nothing to do with Politics that's why those persecuting then had upper hand.
The Christians made sure that all those under their supervision love the worldwide association of Christians so there is no way a Christian can say he belongs to so and so race then pick weapons to kill his fellow believers in other lands.
Christians don't set some title men and women at the the cost of marital status.
Peter was married so where did their Pope got the idea that marriage is wrong for those who are taking the lead in worship?


Of course there were lots of changes even in the first century but whatever changes as long as it's what God's Holy Spirit taught them, they will enjoy the benefits! Matthew 7:16-18
One thing i noticed in you is how Apostates behave, you want to continue associating with JWs but you don't want to subject yourself to our norms! Hebrews 13:7, 17

Well i wish you find some other group like the Catholics and continue your Christianity with them, as for JWs it's either you completely submit to whatever the Organization says or you go out there and worship elsewhere.

We won't tolerate rebellious attitude in our gathering! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

MaxInDHouse:

Of course the Roman Catholics claimed they're Christians but one thing is certain:
Christians in the first century had nothing to do with Politics that's why those persecuting then had upper hand.
The Christians made sure that all those under their supervision love the worldwide association of Christians so there is no way a Christian can say he belongs to so and so race then pick weapons to kill his fellow believers in other lands.
Christians don't set some title men and women at the the cost of marital status.
Peter was married so where did their Pope got the idea that marriage is wrong for those who are taking the lead in worship?


Of course there were lots of changes even in the first century but whatever changes as long as it's what God's Holy Spirit taught them, they will enjoy the benefits! Matthew 7:16-18
One thing i noticed in you is how Apostates behave, you want to continue associating with JWs but you don't want to subject yourself to our norms! Hebrews 13:7, 17

Well i wish you find some other group like the Catholics and continue your Christianity with them, as for JWs it's either you completely submit to whatever the Organization says or you go out there and worship elsewhere.

We won't tolerate rebellious attitude in our gathering! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

falseprophet:


Who appointed you to determine who God accepts or reject?

Long before JWs came into existence there are true worshippers and there are still true worshippers today outside JWs.

falseprophet:

In your first point I want to clarify that I don't believe the Roman Catholic Church and Pope are the Peter Jesus handed keys of the kingdom to, neither do I agree your Governing body are currently holding the key. I believe Christians as a body holds the keys and not any organisation that claim to hold the keys.
In your second point, since there's no proof that holy spirit directed the "new light" as you people like to say when you attempt to change the truth, it will be foolish for anyone to commit his eternal salvation to such a claim.
You also said I behave like apostates, what churches call unbelievers and Muslims call infidels, I will like to say these terms are what all religions have in common, they don't tolerate any different point of view which is why there are so many hate and killings among religions.
Only Jesus Christ is the road to salvation and not the Pope, Muhammed or the Governing body.I come in peace

if I later see a need to resume going to any worship center JW will be my choice

MaxInDHouse:


You are free to choose any religion out there since you don't see any difference, what baffles me is what you meant by this statement:



Please the one and only reason why we are what we are today is our GB, they are chosen by Jesus to gather his sheep under one Organization.
So if you're not ready to subject yourself to the same line of thought please shift to other places, it's not by force that you should worship with us, you're not welcomed in our gathering!

falseprophet:

Why I said I would prefer to go back to JWs is a personal choice, I still stand by it because anyone is free to join any association including cult groups. That Aside, I will not be controlled by anyone like your GB or any other organisation for that matter, my allegiance is to Jesus and Him alone because through Him I can have a relationship God. I can't be part of any system that cover up for child molesters

MaxInDHouse:


So you want to stand by child molesters, shey?

Walahi Talahi some people just like deceiving themselves big time!

falseprophet:

Am glad my inconsistencies on this particular point made me look stupid, but it's nothing compared to the inconsistencies in your teachings, I deliberately did it to prove a point and it worked

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, thanks for your time and data!

falseprophet:


Why I said I would prefer to go back to JWs is a personal choice, I still stand by it because anyone is free to join any association including cult groups.

That Aside, I will not be controlled by anyone like your GB or any other organisation for that matter, my allegiance is to Jesus and Him alone because through Him I can have a relationship God.

I can't be part of any system that cover up for child molesters

MaxInDHouse:
The term "BORN AGAIN" has different meanings to so many people.

But according to Jesus being BORN AGAIN means being born of water and spirit! John 3:5

Please can you tell me what you mean by born again?

MaxInDHouse:


So you want to stand by child molesters, shey?

Walahi Talahi some people just like deceiving themselves big time!

achorladey:


He should be able to tell us the last of the apostles that handed over to their founding fathers. For where there are two OOOOOOOR three are gathered in the name of Jesus applies strictly to his religious leaders.

Janosky:

He is DECEIVING himself big time

falseprophet:

1.
First of all Jesus didn't appoint governing body to oversee anything, if He did He would have mentioned it in the bible.

2.
Secondly you are silent about your teaching about dedication as one of the requirements for salvation, its also not mentioned anywhere in the bible?


Thoughts...

falseprophet:

Am not leaving this thread bud, I will be here to set matters straight so people will know what JWs is all about, someone have to do it, haha

falseprophet:


You don't even know what it means to be born again, haha.

Many christians including you think the first birth is when we were born to this world and when we accept Jesus we become born again!

But the bible said in John 3:6 (KJV): That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

They have no connection at all! It means the first birth is a spiritual birth and the second birth is also a spiritual birth.

John 3:5-6: 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, (E)unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is (F)flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.

Notice that Jesus was addressing Nicodemus, a Jewish Sanhedrin (teacher of the law). All Jews at the time were born into God's kingdom at mout Sinai through Moses which is basically the old covenant God had with the Jews, which is their first spiritual birth.

Nicodemus being a teacher of the Jews should have been familiar with God's promise of a new covenant as prophesied in the book of Jeremiah and other prophets

That's why verse 10 chastised him:

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?

For the Jews to now enter the new covenant they must be "born again", just like the first birth at mout Sinai, but this time they'll be born of water and spirit.

So technically if you're not a Jew or proselyte you can't be born again because you have not been born into God's household the first time.

What about non-jews who wants to gain salvation? The bible also talked about the new birth in 2 Corinthians 5:17: Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Galatians 6:15: For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

We are all learning and don't take this personal, I am a bible junkie and learnt this outside the watchtower teachings.

Janosky:

There were non Israelites who worshipped JEHOVAH in the old testament, it wasn't a spiritual birth.
What is born of flesh is not spiritual birth.

falseprophet:


If we're to trace the apostolic succession from Peter it will lead us to Roman Catholic and Pope, this is supported by historical facts. They also teach from the bible.

About dedication, the self appointed faithful and descrete slave went beyond what was written.

Rev 22:18 (KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

You can try to use your carnal knowledge to defend false teachings all you want, but truth remains truth, it doesn't change except the so called JWs truth that changes with the passing of time

Janosky:


There were non Israelites who worshipped JEHOVAH in the old testament, it wasn't a spiritual birth.
What is born of flesh is not spiritual birth.

Janosky:

You claim "Truth remains truth, it doesn't change".
Bros,why are you not doing animal sacrifices?

MaxInDHouse:
They came but after noticing JWs aren't ready for fruitless arguments on the thread they left.
You've done enough to help many sincere people know how much harm the enemies of truth are cursing themselves!

©You've been to so many religious groups. ©Out of all your choicest is JWs.
©Hypocrisy is everywhere so you quit all.
©But if you're retuning you'll go back to JWs.
©They're molesters so you don't trust them.
©But you will worship with them anyway because they're your choice.

You really made my day on this thread!

falseprophet:


Truth doesn't change, God told the Jews that He will raise another prophet just like Moses that will fulfill His promises.

Deuteronomy 18:15 - The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.

It was God's plan all along to make a new covenant with his people, when that new covenant came into force the old one seized to be in force which is why burnt offerings and tithe seized to be.

Many Jews including present day Israelis rejected the new covenant, by doing so they refused to be born again into the new one and because of that they seized to be God's special nation.

Indeed truth does not change, but JWs have found a way to change truth from time to time.

Janosky:


The truth changed- old covenant to new covenant.

Where you born with your full set of teeth?

Why do you have a full set of teeth now?

Bros, Shey you understand?

falseprophet:


Your example is unrelated to the matter at hand and you seem disconnected and clueless about Bible, so I might no engage you in further discussion

falseprophet:

I see my stand on some day returning to JW is unsettling you, Lols.
I will come back when all my concerns are addressed, but that seems impossible for now but who knows, the new light might agree with my understanding you never can tell

Janosky:


Bros, Hebrews 13:7,17 dey your Bible?

Your last sentence, your claim is FALSE.

falseprophet:


Your example is unrelated to the matter at hand and you seem disconnected and clueless about Bible, so I might no engage you in further discussion