MaxInDHouse:
I know you are battle prepared to continue dragging issues till midnight, so i'll ignore you as i always do. Just bear in mind that your disguise is not working.
It's either you accept our standard or take the exit door JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES will always obey those taking the lead among us! Hebrews 13:7,17

Janosky:


When we tell them 1 Corinthians 7:39 is Jehovah's instructions for JEHOVAH'S Servants, 3 dogheads worshippers will begin to WAIL & MURMUR on Nairaland.
3 dogheads worshippers led by the same 'oly ghost (demon) fighting themselves under one roof.

Janosky:

Bros .
Your last paragraph thoroughly exposed your frustrations and ignorance about the holy Scriptures.
Rather than study God's word thoroughly & be well grounded, infatuation for the girl you dey chase no let you concentrate.
You come online dey spill GIBBERISH.

According to your Bible, Isaiah 43:10-12,21 , Exodus 3:10, Isaiah 6:8 & Matthew 12:15-18, Acts 15:14, is the quartet of Moses, Isaiah & Jesus Christ & the disciples JEHOVAH'S Witnesses, chosen Servants of the true God?

Does the Governing Council in Jerusalem @ Acts 15:2-9 mirrors the Governing Body?
Yes.
JEHOVAH'S witnesses have received holy spirit to serve as JEHOVAH'S Servants on earth.

Dedication- Exodus 24:7,Mark8:34, John17:6-7.
Governing Body/ Overseers. Exodus 7:1-2, Acts15:2-9,14. Hebrews 13:7,17.

Bros, is the judge who knows wetin God no know. .
Who told you the Governing Body dey chose who makes up the sealed number of 144,000 chosen to co-rule with Christ?

Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself.

falseprophet:


It's funny how you use words such as "exposed yourself" and "deceive yourself" to reply my posts because I have been the one doing the exposing of JWs from the beginning. All you do is use vulgar words like ungodly folks and I know how you are feeling right now, just like Islamic terrorists will want to bomb infidels for not converting to Islam. That's how extremism starts!

Back to the real deal:

You advised me to study God's word but at the same time import non-scriptural teachings like "dedication" and "governing body" to try to blackmail silent listeners into reasoning with you.

Look at how wild you are here because nobody knows who you are, of course you are anonymous here, but when you carry your bag and knock at people's doors you'll be pretending like an angel looking for who to devour.

I am a true believer in the words of the bible and I have made it clear from my original post that JWs core believes are not written or thought in scriptures.

You can shout here and bow in loyalty to your governing body all you want that's your business, but don't make the mistake of thinking bowing to them is equivalent to bowing to God, just like other churches who worship their MOGs, JWs have even gone a step further in believing the governing body is the same as Jesus.

I still come in peace!

falseprophet:


It's funny how you use words such as "exposed yourself" and "deceive yourself" to reply my posts because I have been the one doing the exposing of JWs from the beginning. All you do is use vulgar words like ungodly folks and I know how you are feeling right now, just like Islamic terrorists will want to bomb infidels for not converting to Islam. That's how extremism starts!

Back to the real deal:

You advised me to study God's word but at the same time import non-scriptural teachings like "dedication" and "governing body" to try to blackmail silent listeners into reasoning with you.

Look at how wild you are here because nobody knows who you are, of course you are anonymous here, but when you carry your bag and knock at people's doors you'll be pretending like an angel looking for who to devour.

I am a true believer in the words of the bible and I have made it clear from my original post that JWs core believes are not written or thought in scriptures.

You can shout here and bow in loyalty to your governing body all you want that's your business, but don't make the mistake of thinking bowing to them is equivalent to bowing to God, just like other churches who worship their MOGs, JWs have even gone a step further in believing the governing body is the same as Jesus.

I still come in peace!

falseprophet:

Look at how wild you are here because nobody knows who you are, of course you are anonymous here, but when you carry your bag and knock at people's doors you'll be pretending like an angel looking for who to devour.

Janosky:

You have associated with JWs at some point in time, have you ever seen any JWs bow to any Overseer?I'm not insulting you, but you're uncomfortable that my comments are frank and direct.If Your claim were true,go ahead to disprove the Scriptural examples on my comments, that's all.
Exodus 24:7, the Israelites dedicated themselves to what/whom?
Mark 8:34, how can you dedicate yourself to follow Jesus when you refuse to "disown yourself"?
How do you faithfully observe Mark12:29-30 without dedication?
Even the Jesus you want to follow, John 15:15, was he not taught?
Luke 24:24-27, did Jesus not teach others?
Hebrews 13:7,17 is Jehovah's instructions, Janosky will obey, please suit yourself.
Bros, just tell Nairaland that your personal belief is a shopping mall formula, you pick & choose whatever panders to your imperfect whims & tastes.
Hebrews 13:7,17 is Jehovah's standard.
Shalom.

Splinz:

I have to agree here, not because you're saying it but based on my own experience too.
I've had members of JW knocked on my door countless times. And on each occasion, what I see are civilized and soft spoken people with decency in conducts.
But shockingly here, what I see is the complete opposite of the former. In fact, conducts here only befits hooligans.
And it makes me wonder. Could it be that all those sanctimonious & gentle looking people I see knocking at my door in the name of JW are in fact ravaging wolves in sheep clothing? Could it also be that their peace some sort of have an ON & OFF button that is switched on when knocking on the door and off when leaving?
Okay. I'd pretend the ones here are the "bad eggs" among that body of "peace loving people".

MaxInDHouse:


So it depends on the way you approach us that we will treat you, this is not your house where we come knocking but a public forum, here respect begats reciprocal!

But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. (Luke 6:32).

Splinz:

So if one approach you with love, you'll also treat the person with love. If they approach you with hatred, you send it back to sender. If they come bringing insult, you give it to them fire for fire. How are you then, a supposed "witness of Jehovah" different from sinners or just anybody out there who does not know God?

Do you think you're of any different to even the worst sinner?

MaxInDHouse:

You only approach people with RESPECT and once you RESPECT people surely you'll be respected, but when you're determine to insult someone simply because he's standing on his faith then you don't worth any respect!

Splinz:


Is this how Jehovah thinks? Remember you're His "witness".

Max, if you only respect those who respect you, could that be what differentiate you from sinners?

MaxInDHouse:
The Serpent in the garden of Eden came in peace nah!
Only to disrupt Jehovah's arrangement for orderliness,

According to the Serpent Adam and Eve are safe in Jehovah's garden (under Jehovah's arrangement) but Jehovah is not trustworthy!

falseprophet (acholardey) is saying "Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is OK so he prefer this organization to all other religious Organization but those leading JWs are not trustworthy!
My brother, it's only God's holy spirit that can save us from the hands of Satan and his agents!

achorladey:


you haven't seen insult at all. Atleast you have never been called asinwin here. Loool!

Even respect them from now till forever. These ones will insult without blinking eyes and equally say they dont insult others.

Oh dear one called falseprophet and myself SCOUNDRELS just to make a point this morning.

E get as e be for this one.

Janosky:


You have associated with JWs at some point in time, have you ever seen any JWs bow to any Overseer?
I'm not insulting you, but you're uncomfortable that my comments are frank and direct.
If Your claim were true,go ahead to disprove the Scriptural examples on my comments, that's all.

Exodus 24:7, the Israelites dedicated themselves to what/whom?

Mark 8:34, how can you dedicate yourself to follow Jesus when you refuse to "disown yourself"?

How do you faithfully observe Mark12:29-30 without dedication?

Even the Jesus you want to follow, John 15:15, was he not taught?
Luke 24:24-27, did Jesus not teach others?

Hebrews 13:7,17 is Jehovah's instructions, Janosky will obey, please suit yourself.
Bros, just tell Nairaland that your personal belief is a shopping mall formula, you pick & choose whatever panders to your imperfect whims & tastes.
Hebrews 13:7,17 is Jehovah's standard.
Shalom.

falseprophet:


What JWs apply to other religions they must first of all apply to themselves, namely, that "we are not acceptable to God if our sincerity is not based on accurate information." (The Watchtower 2002, February 15, p 32)

The following 7 points summarize all I have been saying about "dedication" from the onset:

1. The nation of Israel was not dedicated to God, but rather was in a covenant with him. Those two are not the same; the terms are not interchangeable.

2. Dedication has nothing to do with having one's prayers heard by God. Did Cornelius dedicate himself to God in order for his prayers to be heard?

3. It is not due to any "dedication" to God on our part that we inherit everlasting life. By teaching this, JWs actually deny the ransom, although paying lip service to it.

4. JWs have robbed Jehovah by emphasizing their love for him, rather than HIS love for them.

5. Because of JWs doctrine of Dedication they have made God's word invalid in that they are able to judge their brothers' and sisters' spirituality, compare their activity against others, and even have given "scriptural grounds" for marriage partners to separate. These are all things the Scriptures tell us not to do. (Matthew 7:1-2; Romans 14:4, 10, 13; 2 Corinthians 10:12; Galatians 6:4; 1 Corinthians 7:10-11)

6. Baptism is not about any dedication vow. It is interesting how The Watchtower agrees with this point:

“It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.” (w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

7. Also of note, the Watchtower acknowledges that "searching through the Christian Greek Scriptures we do not find either the word dedication or the word consecration used to designate this step of giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ." Obviously, this step of "giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ" is not a requirement for everlasting life. It has nothing to do with Baptism.

I come in peace!

falseprophet:


What JWs apply to other religions they must first of all apply to themselves, namely, that "we are not acceptable to God if our sincerity is not based on accurate information." (The Watchtower 2002, February 15, p 32)

The following 7 points summarize all I have been saying about "dedication" from the onset:


3. It is not due to any "dedication" to God on our part that we inherit everlasting life. By teaching this, JWs actually deny the ransom, although paying lip service to it.

4. JWs have robbed Jehovah by emphasizing their love for him, rather than HIS love for them.

5.
a. Because of JWs doctrine of Dedication they
have made God's word invalid in that they
are able to judge their brothers' and sisters'
spirituality,
b. compare their activity against others,
c. and even have given "scriptural grounds" for marriage partners to separate. These are all things the Scriptures tell us not to do. (Matthew 7:1-2; Romans 14:4, 10, 13; 2 Corinthians 10:12; Galatians 6:4; 1 Corinthians 7:10-11)

6. Baptism is not about any dedication vow. It is interesting how The Watchtower agrees with this point:

“It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.” (w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

7. Also of note, the Watchtower acknowledges that "searching through the Christian Greek Scriptures we do not find either the word dedication or the word consecration used to designate this step of giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ." Obviously, this step of "giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ" is not a requirement for everlasting life. It has nothing to do with Baptism.

I come in peace!

MaxInDHouse:
Why not respond again with the other account?
Sebi i wasn't mentioning you before while you're responding each time i quote your second moniker. Now i'm quoting you directly, so answer the question:

Splinz:

Is this how Jehovah thinks? Remember you're His "witness".
Max, if you only respect those who respect you, could that be what differentiate you from sinners?

Splinz:

I'm seeing their 'fine' examples. MaxInDHouse made me understand that whatever emotions is sent out to them is what they sent back to senders, whether of good or bad.
Indeed, such an exemplary group.

OkCornel:

So far so good, no constructive or edifying questions on the thread, just trolls…

Sad. Next phase would be questions that’ll lead to fruitless time wasting arguments.

MaxInDHouse:
No wonder you're all ashamed of your Churches!
So you're now after the group name no more personal identity, shey?
Funny clowns!
Jesus said "whatever you want men to do to you do likewise to them" {Matthew 7:12}
What are these miscreants coming here to insult JWs claiming?
Aren't they supposed to be Christians?
So now you want JWs to watch while you insult them simply because they're keeping their faith, shey?

MaxInDHouse:


Keep deceiving yourselves!

So JWs aren't humans with feelings shey?
My friend, if you're a Christian you must learn to respect other people no matter their faith.
If you choose not to join them in their form of worship that's understandable but outrightly insulting, abusing and cursing them all because their faith differs is totally unacceptable!
That's why JWs don't have issues with Islamists because we respect everyone's beliefs. We will approach everyone with mild-temper and deep respect, greetings before we introduce ourselves and our purpose of coming. Matthew 10:11-13
But what about your folks?
You people will just stand up in the bus or in the corner of the streets and start raining curses on other religionists saying they will be roasted by your sad god for not accepting it's form of worship! Matthew 12:19
If you want to talk about manner of approach even Jesus himself has already condemned you people and your stupidity!

MaxInDHouse:
I have heard you Sir, and I love the way you've help him to say part of what he has in mind!

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions {John 17:14} the GB serves as representatives of Jehovah and Jesus Christ in our midst {Hebrews 13:7,17} any act of disobedience to them is tantamount to a rebellious act against our God {Numbers 12:8} and that is what keeps us together and going as one big family. John 17:20-23

MaxInDHouse:
What exactly is his position now?
Does he still feels like returning?. Because his demands totally negates our faith, all members must remain in total submission to the GB whatever decision they makes is what the entire Organization will follow. So there's no room for indecision we just want to know his position on the matter, NO STORY!

Janosky:


3..
According to your Bible @ Hebrews 10:9 & Hebrews 5:7, Bros whose will was Jesus dedicated to doing, leading to his death?
1 Corinthians 11:1 & 1 Peter 2:19-21,who did Paul imitate?
JWs dey copy Jesus examples
For the record, JWs espouse John 3:16 more than Trinitarians.
Trinitarian belief deny John 3:16 & actually pays lip service to it. Bros reason on this wella.

4.
1 Corinthians 5:3" this is what the love of God means- Obedience.
Bros the real robbery is disobedience to Mark 12:29-30.

5.a.
For what do I have to do with judging those on the outside? Do you not judge those on the inside while God judges those on the outside?
Remove the wicked man from among yourselves"- 1 Corinthians 5:12-13. Rom2:2.
1 Corinthians 10:6-11, your Bible warns against MURMURERS.

5.b. Philippians 2:3 & Galatians 6:4, You can scan the religious section of this forum & know those comparing their gods of men with their fellow rivals.
JWs emphasize Luke 21:1-4 with maximum seriousness.

5.c.
Matthew 7:1-2/Rom 14:4 = Matthew18:33-34.
Bros, Do not confuse confession/forgiveness of shortcomings with brazen wrongdoing without repentance (hiding under so-called 'grace to commit atrocities') 1 Cor 5;12-13.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11= Amos 3:3. Marriage is by agreement.
You can't turn your wife to a punching bag and be quoting 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, for instance.
It's plain wickedness, I must say.
If the marital issues are life threatening, separation is necessary while the couple continues dialogue to reconsider their stand and reconcile again.

1 Corinthians 7:15, break up is inevitable when the estranged couple mutually reject the option of reconciliation.

Janosky:
You said falseprophet decisions is "subject to change depending on circumstances." What then, is your basis for spurious claim of manipulation when you know falseprophet wasn't under duress to express himself (for studying with JWs or against some JWs beliefs unacceptable to him) on this platform?

Janosky:
Max said JWs don't want any stories, if you're no more interested you're FREE to go and join any other better performing religion OF YOUR CHOICE!
Where is manipulation you're talking about?

Why would he choose to study with JWs when he knows some beliefs are unacceptable to him today? Are you a mind reader, to know if falseprophet may have a rethink tomorrow and reconsider his stand today?

Janosky:
So, Bros, you dey pick some & discard others like say your dey shopping mall (pretending say you dey church)?.

true2god:
Thank you for thanking me.
Jehovah's Witnesses teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions the same way sunni muslims teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions, the same way Janist teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions, the same way Bhudist teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions. So what exactly is your point? To even consider the fact that watchtower is not another religion but a subset of the larger Christian body is laughable. You quote the Bible, the do holy communion, you baptise your members, etc just like other Christian body and you are still making a claim to be a completely other religion. That’s magical and strange.
Whatever his position is not your business but between him and his God. Run your own race and stay in your own lane.

Splinz:

You mean Jesus instructed you this way?

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is the picture Catholics printed for all of you about Jesus.
Of course Jesus wasn't a dumb lifeless idiot who can't stand to put you in your place when you misbehave towards him. John 8:44
So instead of assumptions why not read and meditate to know the character of Jesus in the Bible?

falseprophet:

Wow
I bet you can't use this same expression to describe your governing body

MaxInDHouse:
They're here so i don't need to start telling you what they'll take from you and what they'll reject outrightly. But Jesus is not here physically it's the dummy in pictures infused in your heads that you're seeing each time you hear the name "Jesus"
So instead of assuming what manner of man Jesus is go and read your Bible , read Jesus' statements most especially when he's confronting antagonists then come back and tell me the picture you perceive if it's just some dumb lifeless idiot!

falseprophet:

You make it sound as if you believe in the bible, but in reality you and JWs don't! I have provided irrefutable proof that your dedication and governing body cannot be found in the same bible you said i should go and study. You are so wrong on the personality of Jesus or how i view Him, everything about the king of kings is written in the bible and if you study from the bible you are supposed to know that already, but am not surprised you still think Jesus is an image hung on the wall or the one painted in your "book of bible stories". I am not antagozing you as you claim, the facts in my posts are the things turturing your conscience and you know it.