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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 4:14pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Still no in essence part of falseprophet post. When you are ready to come out from self imposed hibernation. I dey here. What should we do then with monickermix? |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 4:24pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Janosky: And worshippers of one DOGHEADS who are of the same FAITH(not interfaith) dont fight under one roof. Loooool! Despite following their one DOGHEADS instruction to marry from same faith. Pele ti e. Even jumping from one congregation to another congregation because of such fight within the same organization. E get as e be. 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 4:33pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Janosky: It's funny how you use words such as "exposed yourself" and "deceive yourself" to reply my posts because I have been the one doing the exposing of JWs from the beginning. All you do is use vulgar words like ungodly folks and I know how you are feeling right now, just like Islamic terrorists will want to bomb infidels for not converting to Islam. That's how extremism starts! Back to the real deal: You advised me to study God's word but at the same time import non-scriptural teachings like "dedication" and "governing body" to try to blackmail silent listeners into reasoning with you. Look at how wild you are here because nobody knows who you are, of course you are anonymous here, but when you carry your bag and knock at people's doors you'll be pretending like an angel looking for who to devour. I am a true believer in the words of the bible and I have made it clear from my original post that JWs core believes are not written or thought in scriptures. You can shout here and bow in loyalty to your governing body all you want that's your business, but don't make the mistake of thinking bowing to them is equivalent to bowing to God, just like other churches who worship their MOGs, JWs have even gone a step further in believing the governing body is the same as Jesus. I still come in peace! 3 Likes |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 4:37pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
falseprophet: that last line mean 144001 anointed spirit sons of God. Loool! 2 Likes |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 4:48pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
falseprophet: You have associated with JWs at some point in time, have you ever seen any JWs bow to any Overseer? I'm not insulting you, but you're uncomfortable that my comments are frank and direct. If Your claim were true,go ahead to disprove the Scriptural examples on my comments, that's all. Exodus 24:7, the Israelites dedicated themselves to what/whom? Mark 8:34, how can you dedicate yourself to follow Jesus when you refuse to "disown yourself"? How do you faithfully observe Mark12:29-30 without dedication? Even the Jesus you want to follow, John 15:15, was he not taught? Luke 24:24-27, did Jesus not teach others? Hebrews 13:7,17 is Jehovah's instructions, Janosky will obey, please suit yourself. Bros, just tell Nairaland that your personal belief is a shopping mall formula, you pick & choose whatever panders to your imperfect whims & tastes. Hebrews 13:7,17 is Jehovah's standard. Shalom. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Splinz(m): 5:41pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
falseprophet: I have to agree here, not because you're saying it but based on my own experience too. I've had members of JW knocked on my door countless times. And on each occasion, what I see are civilized and soft spoken people with decency in conducts. But shockingly here, what I see is the complete opposite of the former. In fact, conducts here only befits hooligans. And it makes me wonder. Could it be that all those sanctimonious & gentle looking people I see knocking at my door in the name of JW are in fact ravaging wolves in sheep clothing? Could it also be that their peace some sort of have an ON & OFF button that is switched on when knocking on the door and off when leaving? Okay. I'd pretend the ones here are the "bad eggs" among that body of "peace loving people". 2 Likes |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:00pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
The Serpent in the garden of Eden came in peace nah! ![]() Only to disrupt Jehovah's arrangement for orderliness, According to the Serpent Adam and Eve are safe in Jehovah's garden (under Jehovah's arrangement) but Jehovah is not trustworthy! falseprophet (acholardey) is saying "Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is OK so he prefer this organization to all other religious Organization but those leading JWs are not trustworthy! My brother, it's only God's holy spirit that can save us from the hands of Satan and his agents! ![]() Janosky: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:33pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Jesus was the most gentle human when doing his father's work (preaching and teaching in the neighbourhood) Matthew 5:3-12 But in some instances Jesus will appear to be rude (in words) in the face of antagonists of pure worship! John 8:42-47 So it depends on the way you approach us that we will treat you, this is not your house where we come knocking but a public forum, here respect begats reciprocal! ![]() Splinz: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Splinz(m): 7:03pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: So if one approach you with love, you'll also treat the person with love. If they approach you with hatred, you send it back to sender. If they come bringing insult, you give it to them fire for fire. How are you then, a supposed "witness of Jehovah" different from sinners or just anybody out there who does not know God? But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. (Luke 6:32). Do you think you're of any different to even the worst sinner? |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:17pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Splinz:You only approach people with RESPECT and once you RESPECT people surely you'll be respected, but when you're determine to insult someone simply because he's standing on his faith then you don't worth any respect! I welcomed both JWs and none JWs on this forum with respect, but when some comes in only to argue fruitlessly i tell them that's not why this thread was set up. Do you think you're of any different to even the worst sinner?You don't know how to distinguish between a sinner and a righteous person from God's viewpoint. Note that the thief beside Jesus was a sinner like any of us but his approach changed his condition before God. For your information we are all sinners but the righteous are people who finds and humbles themselves after finding God's arrangement. Zephaniah 2:2-3 So if you don't know God's arrangement and you're criticizing someone who said he has found it who is the condemned sinner between you and the person? ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Splinz(m): 7:41pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Is this how Jehovah thinks? Remember you're His "witness". Max, if you only respect those who respect you, could that be what differentiate you from sinners? |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 8:00pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Splinz: you haven't seen insult at all. Atleast you have never been called asinwin here. Loool! Even respect them from now till forever. These ones will insult without blinking eyes and equally say they dont insult others. Oh dear one called falseprophet and myself SCOUNDRELS just to make a point this morning. E get as e be for them. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by achorladey: 8:10pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: And the stubborness and intelligence you boast of cant retrieve the in essence part of falseprophet post. Chai God will indeed save you from satan and his agents. Amen! Keep mixing the monickers. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Splinz(m): 8:14pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
achorladey: I'm seeing their 'fine' examples. MaxInDHouse made me understand that whatever emotions is sent out to them is what they sent back to senders, whether of good or bad. Indeed, such an exemplary group. ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 9:02pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Janosky: What JWs apply to other religions they must first of all apply to themselves, namely, that "we are not acceptable to God if our sincerity is not based on accurate information." (The Watchtower 2002, February 15, p 32) The following 7 points summarize all I have been saying about "dedication" from the onset: 1. The nation of Israel was not dedicated to God, but rather was in a covenant with him. Those two are not the same; the terms are not interchangeable. 2. Dedication has nothing to do with having one's prayers heard by God. Did Cornelius dedicate himself to God in order for his prayers to be heard? 3. It is not due to any "dedication" to God on our part that we inherit everlasting life. By teaching this, JWs actually deny the ransom, although paying lip service to it. 4. JWs have robbed Jehovah by emphasizing their love for him, rather than HIS love for them. 5. Because of JWs doctrine of Dedication they have made God's word invalid in that they are able to judge their brothers' and sisters' spirituality, compare their activity against others, and even have given "scriptural grounds" for marriage partners to separate. These are all things the Scriptures tell us not to do. (Matthew 7:1-2; Romans 14:4, 10, 13; 2 Corinthians 10:12; Galatians 6:4; 1 Corinthians 7:10-11) 6. Baptism is not about any dedication vow. It is interesting how The Watchtower agrees with this point: “It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.” (w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers) 7. Also of note, the Watchtower acknowledges that "searching through the Christian Greek Scriptures we do not find either the word dedication or the word consecration used to designate this step of giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ." Obviously, this step of "giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ" is not a requirement for everlasting life. It has nothing to do with Baptism. I come in peace! |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 12:04am On Jul 05, 2021 |
falseprophet: Bros, I have always come in peace ![]() ![]() Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages Search for a word dedication noun 1. the quality of being dedicated or committed to a task or purpose. "his dedication to his duties" Similar: commitment wholeheartedness single-mindedness enthusiasm zeal People also ask What is another word for dedication? commitment ,devotion loyalty, allegiance, devotedness, faithfulness **1 According to your claim The nation of Israel was not dedicated to God,. According to Oxford dictionary definition of 'Dedication', do you agree the Israelites showed no "commitment" the covenant with God ? Psalms 106:6,14,40-45,why was God's anger against the Israelites? Psalms 106:45 is God's anger against Israelites tied together with their covenant with God? Do you now agree that 'Dedication' is synonymous with "loyalty, commitment & faithfulness, are vital for fulfillment of any covenant? ![]() **2. Examine the Oxford Dictionary definition & it's synonyms closely as it relates to Acts 10:2. Bros, examine Acts 10:2 & Colossians 3:23, Cornelius was doing what with zeal & "wholeheartedness"? What was the outcome ? Acts 10:2-6,22 do you notice Cornelius obedience? Cornelius was prayerfully dedicated to doing what pleases God @ Acts 10:2, that was the reason he received divine instructions & visitation for his conversion to be counted among the people chosen to bear Jehovah's name,Acts 15:7-14. To rephrase the Oxford Dictionary, "Cornelius Dedication' to godly duties-" fearing God, prayers, generousity & obedience (compare Colossians 3:23) brought him into association with the people bearing JEHOVAH'S name. Do you recall that Peter explained it clearly @ Acts 15:2-14? |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 1:49am On Jul 05, 2021 |
falseprophet: 3.. According to your Bible @ Hebrews 10:9 & Hebrews 5:7, Bros whose will was Jesus dedicated to doing, leading to his death? 1 Corinthians 11:1 & 1 Peter 2:19-21,who did Paul imitate? JWs dey copy Jesus examples For the record, JWs espouse John 3:16 more than Trinitarians. Trinitarian belief deny John 3:16 & actually pays lip service to it. Bros reason on this wella. 4. 1 Corinthians 5:3" this is what the love of God means- Obedience. Bros the real robbery is disobedience to Mark 12:29-30. 5.a. For what do I have to do with judging those on the outside? Do you not judge those on the inside while God judges those on the outside? Remove the wicked man from among yourselves"- 1 Corinthians 5:12-13. Rom2:2. 1 Corinthians 10:6-11, your Bible warns against MURMURERS. 5.b. Philippians 2:3 & Galatians 6:4, You can scan the religious section of this forum & know those comparing their gods of men with their fellow rivals. JWs emphasize Luke 21:1-4 with maximum seriousness. 5.c. Matthew 7:1-2/Rom 14:4 = Matthew18:33-34. Bros, Do not confuse confession/forgiveness of shortcomings with brazen wrongdoing without repentance (hiding under so-called 'grace to commit atrocities') 1 Cor 5;12-13. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11= Amos 3:3. Marriage is by agreement. You can't turn your wife to a punching bag and be quoting 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, for instance. It's plain wickedness, I must say. ![]() If the marital issues are life threatening, separation is necessary while the couple continues dialogue to reconsider their stand and reconcile again. 1 Corinthians 7:15, break up is inevitable when the estranged couple mutually reject the option of reconciliation. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by johnw47: 2:21am On Jul 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool; false jw mad max your paranoia and confusion of course go hand in hand 1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Mat 23:27 A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you are like the resting-places of the dead, which are made white, and seem beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and of all unclean things. u r like your daddy the devil who also falsely accuses christians day and night Rev_12:10 And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. false prophets, false accusers. u so called jw's are everything false 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:10am On Jul 05, 2021 |
No wonder you're all ashamed of your Churches! ![]() So you're now after the group name no more personal identity, shey? ![]() Funny clowns! ![]() Jesus said "whatever you want men to do to you do likewise to them" {Matthew 7:12} What are these miscreants coming here to insult JWs claiming? Aren't they supposed to be Christians? So now you want JWs to watch while you insult them simply because they're keeping their faith, shey? ![]() Splinz: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:21am On Jul 05, 2021 |
Splinz: Keep deceiving yourselves! So JWs aren't humans with feelings shey? ![]() My friend, if you're a Christian you must learn to respect other people no matter their faith. If you choose not to join them in their form of worship that's understandable but outrightly insulting, abusing and cursing them all because their faith differs is totally unacceptable! That's why JWs don't have issues with Islamists because we respect everyone's beliefs. We will approach everyone with mild-temper and deep respect, greetings before we introduce ourselves and our purpose of coming. Matthew 10:11-13 But what about your folks? ![]() You people will just stand up in the bus or in the corner of the streets and start raining curses on other religionists saying they will be roasted by your sad god for not accepting it's form of worship! Matthew 12:19 If you want to talk about manner of approach even Jesus himself has already condemned you people and your stupidity! ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:08am On Jul 05, 2021 |
OkCornel:OkCornel really knows how to read their minds, just look at what he said and it's exactly what they're coming here to do. The name of the group in focus has been mentioned: "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Would you like to study the Bible with them? No arguments, the purpose of mentioning the name of a group is to help you grasp how the group is using Bible to set matters straight in their midst {2Timothy 3:16} but if you have a better doctrine then you're also welcome to introduce such doctrine and the group using it so that everyone can learn from the practical application employed by the group. That's the purpose of this thread, not coming here to say "JWs are my choice but their doctrine is evil" ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Splinz(m): 8:47am On Jul 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Max is this how you "witness" for Jehovah? He must be very proud of you. ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Splinz(m): 8:51am On Jul 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You mean Jesus instructed you this way? 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by true2god: 9:13am On Jul 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Thank you for thanking me. MaxInDHouse:Jehovah's Witnesses teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions the same way sunni muslims teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions, the same way Janist teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions, the same way Bhudist teachings and doctrines totally differs from all other religions. So what exactly is your point? To even consider the fact that watchtower is not another religion but a subset of the larger Christian body is laughable. You quote the Bible, the do holy communion, you baptise your members, etc just like other Christian body and you are still making a claim to be a completely other religion. That’s magical and strange. MaxInDHouse:Whatever his position is not your business but between him and his God. Run your own race and stay in your own lane. 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 9:23am On Jul 05, 2021 |
Janosky: Is your salvation as a result of "living up to your dedication" or as a result of Jesus's ransom sacrifice? |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by true2god: 9:30am On Jul 05, 2021 |
Janosky:When you continuously use my statement to guilt-trap me, it is a sign of a manipulative behaviour. If you are reminding me of my past statement, even when I have told you reasons for my position, that’s psychological manipulation. This is what Max had been doing. Janosky:You are using the carrot and stick policy. I have no business if ‘falseprophet’ chooses to go back to watchtower or not. He has every right to join any group he likes but what I hate is guilt-trapping someone into submission which is the notorious psychological warfare the watchtower employ on people. I am however immune to any of that. Janosky:I am not a JW who treat the Bible like the Islamic hadith. It is your organization that does that. 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:54am On Jul 05, 2021 |
true2god: I love your concluding statement! ![]() Please tell everyone on this forum that our position and submission to those leading the Organization is between us and our God {Isaiah 54:17} so they should run their race and stay on their own lane! ![]() |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:43pm On Jul 05, 2021 |
Your problem is the picture Catholics printed for all of you about Jesus. Of course Jesus wasn't a dumb lifeless idiot who can't stand to put you in your place when you misbehave towards him. John 8:44 So instead of assumptions why not read and meditate to know the character of Jesus in the Bible? ![]() Splinz: |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 1:20pm On Jul 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Wow ![]() ![]() I bet you can't use this same expression to describe your governing body |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:57pm On Jul 05, 2021 |
They're here so i don't need to start telling you what they'll take from you and what they'll reject outrightly. But Jesus is not here physically it's the dummy in pictures infused in your heads that you're seeing each time you hear the name "Jesus" So instead of assuming what manner of man Jesus is go and read your Bible, read Jesus' statements most especially when he's confronting antagonists then come back and tell me the picture you perceive if it's just some dumb lifeless idiot! ![]() falseprophet: 1 Like |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by falseprophet: 2:11pm On Jul 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You make it sound as if you believe in the bible, but in reality you and JWs don't! I have provided irrefutable proof that your dedication and governing body cannot be found in the same bible you said i should go and study. You are so wrong on the personality of Jesus or how i view Him, everything about the king of kings is written in the bible and if you study from the bible you are supposed to know that already, but am not surprised you still think Jesus is an image hung on the wall or the one painted in your "book of bible stories". I am not antagozing you as you claim, the facts in my posts are the things turturing your conscience and you know it. |
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:27pm On Jul 05, 2021 |
Achorladey, If Jesus is real to you and not some dumb lifeless slowpoke then present a group of people following his teachings today nah? ![]() You yourself said it on this same thread that after looking all around you can't find another group that makes sense apart from JWs but due to the lifeless slowpoke you assumed Jesus should be you're confused again arguing with the same Organization you yourself said will always be your preferred Christian group. Please leave story and decide what exactly you will do, JWs will always stand behind our GB and you can't find a better performing group elsewhere. Iwájú ò ṣeé lọ ẹ̀yìn ò ṣeé padà sí! ![]() falseprophet: |
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